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00:00 The American people are on my side on this one, Adam. Adam Curry. It's Sunday, September 27th, 2026. This is your award-winning Gipo Nation Media Assassination episode 1907. This is no agenda. It is Adam Curry coming to you from behind the Texas Hill Country. Time for another media deconstruction. Once again, friend of the show, Jason Calacanis, who'll be joining us for the next two hours. That's right. It's No Agenda 1907. Stay tuned for JCal joining us in one minute and 13 seconds. Yo, Adam Curry on the left, the pioneer on the mic. Looking for a co-host who can keep the fire tight.

00:44 Enter Jason Calacanis, J. Cal in the building, not from NorCal. Don't get it twisted, chillin. He ain't no NorCal. Softie sipping oat milk. Loxes, he's straight East Coast energy. Cutting through the static number Adam ever had. Let's go, let's go. Brunetti scrambling for three. You fighting for two. But the throne belongs to Jason. That's the true underfeeding crew. No agenda, no agenda. Keep it real, keep it raw. J. Cal in the chair, that's the law, that's the law. He drops the knowledge tech deals in the grind. While Curry drops the truth bombs, leaving minds behind. J. Cal, not from NorCal. Say it loud, say it clear. Different routes, same mission, cutting through the fit. Netty in the corner, not from NorCal. Never was, never will. Just the best damn co-host running up that bill.

01:24 Adam Curry and J. Cal, the pair that can't be touched. Brunetti and Dew. Y'all still fighting too much. Not created by Dana Brunetti. Oh, my goodness. Telling you, man. Thank you very much, Melo D. Melo D. Melo D has given up. He used to do songs himself. He's given up and he's just gone the AI route, as everybody seems to be going. In the morning, JCal. In the morning to you, Adam Curry. In the morning, brother. Thank you for coming back on the show. Of course, my pleasure. Dana did a solid job last time. I like Dana. Well, we actually now have a chat group together, which is kind of extremely heterosexual.

02:05 Three 60-year-old men talking about previous victories and future conquests. Wait, you're not. How old are you, Jayco? 55, 55. Okay, yeah, he's 53. So, oh, okay. I'm the elder of the group. There you go. I'm the elder. Man, we got a lot to talk about. What I like so much this morning, first of all, I'm like, JCal's going to be here. I don't have to worry about it. And then I got a text. I'm sorry, an app, as they call it in Europe. I got an app, WhatsApp. I got an app. And you're like, oh, what time? What time? Well, you know what happened? Was you sent the calendar invite and had 11? I was like, oh, he doesn't know how to use calendars. No, no, 11. Oh, yeah, you're right.

02:48 Yes. So I was like, did he change the time? Let me just make sure I get this. I'm a moron. You know what? I'm going to give this all to my Muse robot. I'm going to make the Muse robot do it all. Yes. Which we'll talk about. But so J. Cal sends me a link. He's like, hey, look at this. And we were both thinking the same thing at the same time. Top of the news in the United Kingdom at what is it? Fairford Royal Air Force Base. There was a bomb. Not just the. I mean, I'm not even sure if it was if it's definitely a bomb. If there were bombs in the vans that were parked outside. This is like the weirdest bombing thing.

03:34 Very unclear. Yeah, I mean, you park three vans in a village where 800 people live and then think no one's going to find that suspicious. And so the vans are supposedly packed with explosives. So they evacuate the. And I'm seeing this on the quad suite. I'm seeing the BBC. I'm like, and it's still on. Swift arrests of suspects in RAF Fanford incident. This is where the U.S. B-2 bombers are stationed in the UK. And as predicted right away, of course, it can only be two things. It can either be Iran, it could be Russia, probably Russia. The BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner has the latest.

04:14 What I can tell you is that this was not intelligence-led. So counter-terrorism police, rather than say MI5 or GCHQ, are the lead in this. It's Britain's counter-terrorism police are the lead on this. The two obvious sort of suspects, but I think we've got to keep an open mind on this until we know more, are Russia and Iran. Why? Because of the context. That's not to say it is then, but if you look at the context, there have been a number of instances of so-called hybrid warfare around Europe this summer. Or this year, in fact, going back several months. Arsen at warehouses.

04:56 The discovery of three explosive drones at Leipzig Halla Airport. airport that's used as a cargo hub for resupplying Ukraine, cyber attacks, suspicious drones over sensitive installations, nuclear bases, and so on. And I realize that this is what Mark Goethe had been talking about for two years. Hybrid warfare, hybrid warfare. And so this seems like such a, I thought the guy, well, maybe he probably still is working for us, but he's like the whisperer, like, oh, it's coming. Hybrid warfare, hybrid warfare. So all these arson attacks, everything is all Russia. Or is it?

05:37 And the Kremlin attitude, Moscow's attitude, is: look, NATO and Britain, especially, are essentially waging an indirect war with us via Ukraine. So if they're supplying missiles that are hitting us, why shouldn't they feel a bit of pain? And the Russians have pretty much said, you know, this is not going to be cost-free for you guys, but they're not revealing what form that that sort of retribution is going to take. It may not be them. Let's not forget that these bases are being used by the U.S. as staging posts in their war with Iran. But I think, I mean, Iran is currently on a sort of,

06:17 is pushing for a peace deal very much on its terms, terms that are unacceptable to President Trump. But I think it would be a miscalculation by the IRGC if this was them trying to do this. One thing I'm pretty sure is that if it's either Iran or Russia, they will have used proxies to do this. Oh, yes. I very much doubt, or it could be proved wrong later today, but I very much doubt that the people arrested will be Russians or Iranians. So the guys who did it, okay, they're not Russians or Iranians, but no, they're proxies. They have the proxies, of course. Well, it's so cynical. There's a report: five Middle Eastern-looking young men running through the trees.

07:00 This is not one person, right? It's not like a lone wolf situation. It's a group of people. Second, third generation Muslims who have been radicalized in the UK could have been linked, I guess, by Iranians. Not Russians, though. They can never say this. They can never say it. You can't say that. You know, I was talking to Christina this morning. We do a Sunday after church. We call up. We want to see the baby. We want to see the grandbaby. Yes. And she said, oh, dad, it's so bad here. They had Rotterdam Pride, which is, you know, gay pride parade.

07:42 And, you know, so they have canals in Rotterdam, too. But I'm not even sure if it was in the water, but it was on a bridge and there are a bunch of young, I'm going to probably say Moroccan guys on the fat bikes. You know, have you ever seen these fat bikes? Yeah, basically they're like e-bikes that can go 35 miles an hour. You don't need a license. Maybe you do need a license. Yeah, exactly. No, they're crazy. So these kids are dangerous on these fat bikes. So they're standing on either a bridge or an overpass and they're spitting on everybody down below.

08:22 And so Christina's friend says, hey, that's not very nice. They turn around, spit in her face. Christina says, it's like, dad, all I hear around here is Arabic. It's like, get my grandbaby, her U.S. passport, and let's get you over here. Yeah, I mean, the world is figuring out what unmitigated immigration means. And the people to watch is Japan. They're very on top of this. They need to have immigration, but they do not let people not assimilate. So if you try to create Chinatown or little Italy or

09:06 Little Tehran, whatever little charming neighborhood you want to create, they say, no, you can't do that. You're in Japan. We can have a ton of Italians come. We could have a ton of Chinese come. But you can't make your own area. Still Japan. Got to keep it as Japan. So they're very hardcore about if you're coming to Japan, you're assimilating to Japan, and they keep raising the stakes, but people still want to go there. So if you agree to invest $200,000 and have one employee, you can come with an economic visa. If you want to come now, you have to know the language. And I think that's going to be the key that you'll see all Western countries go to, which is you have to learn the language.

09:47 You have to learn the language. If you don't learn the language on the way in and somebody else does, well, then that person should get first shot at legal immigration. It's pretty common. common sense if you think about it. That's the one thing people forget about President Trump is he locked that stuff down, changed that. Now they're mad about other things. Of course, got to be mad about something. And it's funny because I'm still watching the West Wing. We're now on season seven. Everything Trump has done in his two administrations, President Jed Bartlett, aka Martin Sheen, did on the West Wing. And then it was, oh yes, great, strong president. This is fantastic. Including assassinating a foreign head of state.

10:27 It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. 20 years ago, I was at the Milken Conference. Not to go like full Illuminati. It's not like a crazy part conference. Did you have to get naked and run around in the woods? No, no, I think that's the bohemian grove, which is extremely alpha and heterosexual, even though it's only men in the woods in loincloths. Don't worry. I have friends who are part of it. They're like, please don't discuss it on the pod. Please don't talk about it on a podcast. And I'm like, Dvorak. Dvorak talks about it frequently. It's like, ah, it was lame. It was no good. I'm like, did you go to the right one? I mean, it doesn't seem like it is definitely in, I think,

11:08 the lame category because of this. It might be a fine thing to go to, but because they try to make it this cloak and dagger thing, it's like, oh, come on. But anyway, I'm at this thing and they Milken would have these economists come on, you know, business leaders, and they would always ask the question, like, hey, what worries you? This is before P-Doom of AI. And I remember watching Rupert Murdoch, and he's like, what worries me 20 years ago is radical Islam in Europe. People are not integrating. And in France, you have the French are not accepting and letting people assimilate.

11:49 And those people are not assimilating. So you have this really difficult situation where you have Muslims coming to Paris. The Parisians are like, you're never going to be French. You cannot be French in our mind. Then you're second generation, third generation, and you live and you're French and you have a French passport, but you're not accepted as French. And this led to, like, he said, this is going to just lead to all kinds of crazy terrorism, et cetera, which is exactly what happened in France. It's Charlie Hebdo, et cetera. Well, the difference, of course, with immigration to France is a lot of these northern, a lot of these African countries, they speak French already.

12:29 So, you know, there's a leg up there. But really, the Netherlands never had the quote-unquote Muslim problem. You know, they've had, they had first, they had the Molochars and they had the Surinams and they had the Turks. And the Turks are now fully integrated, but it's the Moroccans. The Moroccans are the one. And I don't think, I mean, they're changing, they're changing everything. You know, people get very worried about the United States, certainly Texas. I mean, there's 4 million Muslims living in America. The problem is they organize well around political campaigns and they're getting candidates in, whereas the obvious group that should be pushing back on this and running for office and voting are Christians.

13:13 There's 80, 90 million Christians in America. Only 40 million vote. The others like, it'll be okay. I don't have to worry about it. What? There was an election. So, what do they call it? Suicidal empathy. There's a very small percentage of Muslims who are not modernized, like Christians became modernized. Don't read the books like literally. You don't have to stone people to death if they have a commit a sin, et cetera. So it's a small number that are still radicalized when they come to the West, but it's 10%, according to Pew.

13:51 If you go to Pew Studies, they do these studies everywhere. And like some, you know, belief that a suicide vest is a valid form of protest. If you just look at the Pew studies, it's like it's only five or 10 or 15% of people in different Muslim communities believe that that is an acceptable form of protest. Problem is 1.5 billion Muslims is a large number. So 10% of that is 150 million people who believe putting on a suicide vest and running into a crowd and blowing people up is an acceptable form of protest. And just sorting that out and making sure when you accept people into your country, they're actually assimilating. And then on the other side, in the West, people are like, assimilation is racist. It's like, okay,

14:35 guys, we have to have something between these two extremes. Assimilation is like a great thing. You're choosing to come to that country. You weren't forced to come to that country. You chose to come to that country. So assimilate into that country. If I went to live in Tokyo or if I went to live in. into, you know, I don't know, Barcelona, I would try to embrace the culture, you know, not change it radically. No, no, no, that's not the culture of Barcelona is now Muslim. What are you talking about? You'd have to be a part of that. I'm going to go back to Russia for a second because all the mainstream, all the M5M is in on this. It's interesting to hear that guy on the BBC talking about NATO countries.

15:17 Well, no, it's really European countries who are fighting Russia. We're not fighting them. We're selling the goods for sure, and we started it. Thank you very much, Victoria Newland. But PBS News Hour, they know what to do. They are ratcheting it up. I had the Latvian foreign minister, Babaze, on the show last week, someone you worked with at NATO. And she said that while European intelligence services are indeed concerned about these sabotage attacks and the attacks themselves might escalate, there's no immediate military threat to NATO because Russia is bogged down in Ukraine.

15:55 Do you think that's right? I think it's right that we don't see signs, I don't see signs of Russian preparation for a conventional attack on a NATO ally. I think in that case, the deterrence and the defensive capabilities that NATO has arrayed are sufficient to convince Moscow that the cost of that attack would be too high. But they're doing this hybrid campaign. And they are trying through the hybrid campaign to achieve the same results that they might have sought through a conventional attack. The risk there is too high. So they've decided to go in a different direction. And it's so disappointing, everything. So now they're probably... Do you remember that power station that I think it was south of Berlin that got taken out for a week or 10 days?

16:41 You remember that story? I kind of remember it, yeah. So it was terror, you know, domestic terrorism. It was like antifa. It was super radical left groups, German groups, who just hate their government, which is, you know, everybody hates their government. But now, now we're also going to try and kind of pin that on Russia. The distance, an electricity substation explosion, and what German officials fear is another Russian provocation. A swarm of police descend on the scene. A phalanx of officers comb fields for evidence and find 10 other bombs. It's the second such incident in two days. And German officials say it was no accident. Let me be clear. This was not a faulty switch. It was deliberate. It is a criminal offense.

17:27 Sabotage directed by a foreign state or left-wing extremism. Well, that's kind of a difference there. Foreign state or left-wing. I don't know. Russia. We cannot rule out either possibility. The apparent Russian sabotage threat became very real early. There it is. It could be left-wing, could be Russia, and then PBS comes right back. Well, the apparent Russian sabotage attack. The apparent Russian sabotage threat became very real early last month when in the Leipzig airport, a bomb squad found drones with military-grade explosives. I love this. The military great explosives that didn't explode. Well, that's kind of counterintuitive.

18:09 It doesn't work that way. Putin loves to create, there's this technique like flooding the zone with tons of information, tons of misinformation, correct information, et cetera, to make people actually give up on trying to figure out what's going on. And it's quite successful at that. Like, it's very hard to figure out what's going on in Ukraine, what's up, what's down. And the whole goal of that misinformation is to just get the population to give up on expertise, give up on trusting government, trusting experts, which if you look at what's happened in America is exactly what's happening until now.

18:48 You can't figure out anything up from down, left from right. So you think that Russia is behind this, or are you just saying it's Russia likes to create chaos? They like to compromise everybody and cause a bit of chaos. So you're confused. And we sit here going, what's going on? Who is responsible for this? Who is, you know. Really? So you don't think that it's just the Europeans themselves setting up all these so-called important things so we can continue with our military industrial base since we can't do anything else? You don't think it's the Europeans themselves? I mean, do they make enough weapons for that to make sense for them to go into debt to make all these weapons?

19:30 No, no, they want the way I see it. They don't produce anything. So they've already changed a Volkswagen Audi plant into a tank-making plant. They need government money, and I think they probably need to bankrupt the EU. EU to come back with their digital Euro or whatever, and then just have complete control. It doesn't make sense that Russia is doing this. You got a lot of noise going on there. Yeah, sorry. I got the dog just came in here holding. What kind of dog do you have? I have three bulldogs, and one of them just three bulldogs. Come here. Bulldogs.

20:09 Three bulldogs. Yeah. Here's the thing. Russia to me seems incredibly feeble. I mean, they weren't able to take Kyiv. They weren't able to succeed in this military operation. I think they're like a paper tiger. Yes. And the thing they're capable of is like creating chaos. They're very good at like the intelligence chaos. And I think that's the strategy there. And I think we should just wait them out. Putin's in his 70s. There's rumors he had cancer. The best thing to do with these dictators is wait them out. Yeah, like he had cancer. He has Alzheimer's. Oh, yeah. He still looks, if it's him. He looks pretty pretty. He looks pretty.

20:51 Listen, let's call it what it is. He does look a little more vibrant than Trump at this point, right? He looks pretty spry. I think he's younger than Trump. Well, let's go to Deutscheville and see what the Germans have to say. We start in New York. Hansiakov Schindler. When we look and piece together what we know about those drones that were found at Leipzig Airport, what does that tell you about the threat that Germany is facing? And what does it tell you about who the perpetrator was? Now, the origin of this, everyone assumes it is Russia.

21:26 So do I. There is a very interesting apparent connection between the DNA found on this particular drone and DNA found on a packet that was sent to the DHL distribution center, also at Leipzig Airport, in 2024. We got CSI on the case. That links the case to a group of individuals who are currently standing trial in Vilnius in the Baltics. And those individuals, at least the prosecutor in Vilnius, argues, have contacts to the GIU, the Russian military intelligence. That could be a clear link that there is a clear link to Russia if it's proven in the court that they indeed have GIU connections.

22:10 So a lot of speculation, some facts on the table. And I did put this question to Alexander Dublin, the interior minister, at a press conference here in Berlin less than 24 hours ago. Let's just take a listen to that. So before I go to that, so we've got these dudes who apparently park these vans full with explosives. They don't seem to be Iranians. They don't seem to be Russians. Would it make sense to blame it on Russia so that people don't see the obvious, which is what we started off with? This is unmitigated immigration and the whole country is being overrun. You know, in the case of the German attack, it would be highly

22:54 provocative for Russia to act to attack a NATO country, correct? Like that would be the most provocative thing you could possibly do. So if they did do it, they would do it in order to blame it on somebody else, which like those kind of deniable attacks is, to my point, like their speciality trying to create a bit of chaos. Like one group of people in Germany thinks it was Russians, another one thinks it's, you know, a splinter cell, like some people who are Muslim who've been converted. But let's put the German one aside, which is a drone attack. And then this one is a bunch of vans, which we don't know what's in the vans yet.

23:33 We don't know, but we know it's five people, I guess. And it's not going to wind up being Russia. No. Russia's not going to do any attacks on UK soil. That's insane. No, that would then give everybody the ability to say we are backing Ukraine 100%. Right? Well, I wouldn't. And by the way, earlier you said Kyiv, which is really a problem. You got to say Kiev. What am I supposed to say here? Every time I get corrected, Kiev, Kiev, I used to say that. Podcasts, pods, Ukraine, Ukraine, policing around this. Explain to me the Kiev versus Kiev, because I'm getting corrected on both sides of the aisle here. Well, we always used to say Kiev, but then when this whole thing kicked off in 2014, thanks to our intelligence and the Obama White House,

24:26 it was like wearing a mask. It was like saying Kiev, all of a sudden, which is actually the way Ukrainians say it. But we don't say chicken Kiev. I want some chicken Kiev. We're America. We see Chicken Kiev. Yes. And then if I would say, say the Ukraine as like the United States of America. No, that's wrong. That's totally wrong. But if you say it, you're insulting. It could just be just nuances of language that it sounds more natural to say the Ukraine. I'm just trying to protect your image, J. Cal. Just wanting to be in the inkrow. All right. So, but your theory is actually kind of in line with the German Interior Minister.

25:05 You just spoke about a daily hybrid war being conducted against Germany. One week after Leipzig, with more drones having been spotted, many are asking, was it Russia? It is apparent that there are attempts to influence German politics and society. Here it depends on the individual case and on whether there's a connection to the upcoming regional elections. I'd say that we all have a pretty good sense that such disinformation attempts take place, especially in connection with such regional elections. Ah, elections. Here we go. We must assume that they too are a target of our adversaries.

25:53 And on what you were asking and trying to find out from me at the end, here I ask for your understanding that we are currently right in the middle of establishing the facts. We are at the investigation stage. The German attack at the airport by a drone is to make people vote in one direction in Germany, and then this UK bombing attack is to get people to vote for Trump because America might be next. We might have another 9-11 because of Iran. These are false flags/slash in some way coordinated for elections. I think I think that's probably more likely than anything else.

26:36 And here's the final Deutsche Veller clip. So, Hans-Jakob Schindler, I just need to kind of remind everybody. His name is Schindler? That's so cool. Hans-Jakob Schindler, where's your list? So, Hans-Jakob Schindler, I just need to kind of remind everybody that we still don't know. We just still don't have official information on whether Russia actually was involved or is fully behind that attack on Leipzig. But the bigger picture is the Russian threat. We have seen very little reaction coming out of NATO. That's, of course, because the stakes are incredibly high.

27:13 A reaction would range from Germany wanting to play this down as an incident to if it was labeled a full attack, it could be a NATO Article 5 issue. It won't come to that. Why won't it? Well, first of all, NATO cannot preempt the German government, right? It would be weird if NATO would come out with a stronger statement when the German government has not made an official determination. Now, of course, there is some cautiousness on the German government side about linking this to Russia before you really do have clearly fits a little bit with your theory there. Like, well, you know, and by the way, who's NATO?

27:53 We're NATO. We're NATO. We're the biggest dog. We got the guns, we got everything. So, I guess when I say NATO, he means America. But we have some agencies in America which are not necessarily, don't necessarily have our best interests at heart, like the Central Intelligence Agency. Tell us about these warnings. This is about a CIA briefing. Yeah, good afternoon, Ben. Well, we've had a briefing by the CIA to European partners, particularly those southern European states, about a threat that could reach them from Russia, specifically looking at lightweight, slow Gerbera drones that we have seen the Russians used in Ukraine, but may even be used on European shores.

28:35 Now, the big question, of course, would have been: well, how would these drones be able to reach these southern states? Oh, do you have any thoughts on that, Jason? How could these slow-moving drones reach? How could they reach the shores of the EU? How could they do it? What do you think? It doesn't make much sense. They must be deep into territory sleepers. They've got native people there. They've got sleepers out there. You tell me. We got the mother. We got a mothership. Spain, Portugal, so further afield from the battlefield in Ukraine. Well, actually, we've seen the Russians testing these devices on sea-based ships or sea-based platforms.

29:14 Of course, that could be a way that the Russians try to get away from the test. Yeah, we're going to roll up our sea, our drone mothership. We're just going to float it up near you. We're going to send these drones. Yeah, that doesn't seem very likely. And target those European countries. Now, specifically, these drones that have been warned about are slower, lightweight, not particularly devastating drones. drones, but would really be there to test those European defenses because, as so many experts have pointed out, these southern European countries do not have an integrated air defense system like Ukraine, like those eastern flank countries who are more prepared for. You know what a cynical person would say, Adam? No. A cynical person would say, who is making air defense for drone systems?

29:57 We are. We are. What's a great thing to sell if a German airstrip got hit uncontested by a drone? What would every single, how do we keep tourism going in Europe? Well, we're going to need to have an iron dome for Europe. How many countries are in NATO? How many iron domes is that? Who's going to make iron domes? Like, this does seem like an economic opportunity to do the next industrial, military-industrial complex sales process. And we got rid of all of our munitions. Oh, my God. We're out of munitions because we did too many shock and awes in Iran. I guess we'll have to rebuild everything. Give us another $1.5 trillion. Well, yes.

30:42 There's that, obviously. You know, supposedly we're not out of it because we're building new plants. Very, very great, very forceful, very powerful. Incredible. We'll wind this up with a little odd note about France and Luxembourg. And then the reaction, of course, the response to that. So many countries, particularly the Baltic states and Poland, saying, well, now is the time to beef up sanctions against Russia, to stiffen our resolves, to be more aggressive in pushing back against the Russian threat through sanctions or other measures. Well, here in Brussels, still some blowback against France and Luxembourg, who have asked for the Russian sanctions to be renewed, only if two Russian billionaires could be taken off the list.

31:22 We've heard Latvia extremely vocal in its criticism of that move. Now, one thing to say about that is that the sanctions for the first time were renewed for three years, the longest renewal ever, and they will stay in place for another three years. Clearly, some European countries facing that Russian threat want to go further. But as always, when it comes to the European Union's response to Russia, compromise and unanimity almost always needed. Who are these billionaires who they want to get a pass for? Do they own football clubs? Maybe. I can't imagine anything else. I can't imagine. Never underestimate the military-industrial complex's ability to seize on a crisis and sell a lot of gear.

32:05 We're going to have to refill the entire arsenal after Iran. And that's the, I guess, the goal of the military-industrial complex, right? It's to get all that old hardware out and refresh it with the new stuff. And here we are. The new stuff is drones, anti-drones. We have a whole, and then we're going to have murder bots. So when we were in Rotterdam, I've said this before, we took an Uber to my daughter's house every morning, and it was always a Muslim driving a Tesla. And I would always say, where are you from? These guys, they actually all speak Dutch, but just speaking, you know, we're from Texas. Where are you from? Well, oh, the best was I'm from

32:49 Somalia. Oh, man, Somalia is kind of missing. Yeah, Somalia is not good. So in America, we know someone from Somali. He says, who? I said, Elon Omar. Every single time. They'd be like, Elon Omar. They thought that was hilarious. But one guy from Syria, he was pretty animated. He said, oh, the new president, much better, much better. You know, the ex al-Qaeda guy. Yeah, he's much better. I said, but America, America, they shoot off 400 missiles over Syria because they have an expiration date. And I'm thinking, that's probably true. Yeah.

33:31 You know, it's incredibly hard for people to come to America and be second or third generation and not integrate into the country because our pop culture and our social media is just so infectious that like to come here and to not get caught up in the NBA finals or, you know, I don't know, TikTok or music or going to, you know, Coachella. It's just any second or third generation person here is like, I want to go to Coachella. I want to get dressed up. I want to go see Capella. It's like, it's so catchy that we don't have this problem here. And people are freaking out in Texas a bit about the number of Muslims here. It's like, it's 1%, folks.

34:12 It's 2%. And the majority are Indians. Yes. And they're integrating into society lovely. So I don't think you have to be like, oh, my God, it's an invasion. Like the Irish came here, the Germans came here, the Koreans came here. It's midterm talk. It's midterm talk. I think that's. that's what they're trying to do is get people a little bit scared that we're going to go through another 9-11, that these five, you know, we'll see. Like, we're taping this as the breaking news story of these five vans. Now, if those five vans are filled with actual fertilizer bombs and we just dodged like a serious

34:49 terrorist attack, okay, that's one thing. But if this turns out to be like five people who are on some subreddit or some underground group who got flipped and they, you know, built or they were going to do some kind of gun attack or something that doesn't make a lot of sense, it's going to be very interesting to figure out what's going on here and how we're being manipulated. I love Rome, but dear board disagrees. You know what? There's definitely cities in America that have been overrun. Definitely. That's true. Absolutely. But that doesn't mean the whole world, the whole country is being taken over. Doesn't mean all of Texas is being taken over. Houston has problems.

35:29 Dallas, outside of Dallas, there are definitely small communities that have problems, but it's not the end of the world. Yelling in the troll room or on X is not going to change anything. Why don't you go run for office so some other nut job doesn't get in? Yeah, I mean, if you want to win elections, like it's pretty simple here in Texas. Like everybody goes to church here. You just get pie and you put out pie after the service. More people come if you have pie and then you just register everybody to vote and then you win your election. Doesn't matter if it's like a Jewish community, a Catholic community or a Muslim community. Coordinated voting after service, boom, you're going to win elections. That's it. That's pretty straightforward. That's exactly what Matt Long, you know, Matt, who did the show. And I got to get him on again this month.

36:15 Matt Long, after church, he's sitting, he checks your registration. He gets you registered if you're not registered to vote. And every Thursday, he takes a van with people to Austin so they can go talk to lawmakers, see what's actually going on. I mean, that's what it takes. And there's like this Muslim Brotherhood funded or organized groups like M. Gage. Yeah, they're organized. They're going out. They're trying to get Muslims to vote. So the thing that this is, so I think you're totally right about our culture. It's very hard not to just come to America and be like, oh, this is awesome.

36:55 Like NBA Coachella. Good luck trying to resist that. But the NBA finals is fun. At the same time, it's our own downfall because we're like, I'm going to vote. The final, the Big Seven is on or whatever. So it's great and it's also not so great. Yeah. The thing Trump got right, you know, and obviously his presidency is basically over. It's pretty clear he's going to lose both the Senate and the House or at least one of them. It's going to be Investigation Central. It's going to be like a neutered, chaotic last two years. Okay, whatever. It is what it is. Everybody becomes a lame duck at some point in these

37:31 in terms of administrations. He's going to move into that. But it's going to be the one thing he could have gone down as Reagan, I think, if he hadn't started the war and he had gotten inflation under control because it would have been like a pretty amazing golden age. It's probably not going to be considered a golden age with the way the economy is going. But he did get closing the border, right? That was like, because I was perplexed. Like, why are so many people coming across the border? This doesn't seem like if we can go take entire countries in wars, whether it was Afghanistan or whatever, like, why can't we close the border? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, right? We have technology. We have a wall. We have cameras.

38:09 We have drones. Like, you should be able to close the border. It doesn't seem like a hard task. Because we had the same politicians who want, just like in Europe, wanted it overrun. I disagree with you on Trump. I don't think he cares. He's going to continue with whatever needs to be done with really the British Empire messing with the Middle East. I truly, I just, I really think that we'll see. I don't, you know, yeah, if the House and this, if they, so what if the House gets taken over? Fine, whatever. They're going to do nothing and run impeachments, and he's not going to care.

38:45 He's going to continue with what he set out to do. And, you know, I think it would be really easy for him to be exactly what you just said, you know, like be Reagan. But, you know, Reagan also had some problems. Didn't leave everything great after Reagan either. So I know no perfect presidencies here, but the Iran war is going to be the thing that makes them lose 26 and 28. Americans have no tolerance for foreign wars in the Middle East. I really disagree. I think you're wrong. You think it was a good war. I don't think it was a good war. We'll disagree on that one. The American people are on my side on this one, Adam. You're in the minority. minority. The people do not want to play cop in the Middle East.

39:29 They do not want to try to do regime change. Well, it doesn't seem clear that that's regime change, but I think the alternative for me is exactly like the Texas senatorial race. I look at Ken Paxton. I do not like this guy. I don't like his character. I think he's a douchebag, but I'm going to vote for him over Tallerico any day. So if you just look at the Democrat Party, there's too much crazy going on there. And that's a media war. That is a media war. Who can convince that Trump is killing us all within killing the economy versus can the Republicans convince you that if you vote Democrat, the communists and the Muslims are going to take over?

40:17 That's what it's going to be. Wasn't there like a great South Park? Your choices were a giant douche and a shit sandwich. You remember that? Yes, I do. Try douche and turn sandwich debate. I mean, that was it. Really? Paxton, I mean, he did a number on a friend of mine who got, you know, he was an emergency room doctor here in Fredericksburg. Oh, wow. He worked ER during COVID. He continued to go. And because, you know, these guys, they're not on salary. They get paid per hours and stuff. And so during COVID, he took a gig

40:54 doing approvals of medical braces. And, you know, just because you're an ER doctor doesn't mean you can't get scammed into something. And it was, you know, it turns out it was a huge scam. They were sending him, you know, information that they had seen the patient when they really hadn't. And then this guy takes the rap for like $70 million. He made $300,000 in four years. What? And Paxton's office and his prosecutors put out a press release and they're all talking on the KXAN. Oh, yeah, this was the kingpin $75 million. Bull crap. And that was Paxton.

41:34 So I don't trust the guy. The whole show me an incentive and I'll show you an outcome. When you check the box, like this person had COVID, you made more money. It's like, okay, yeah, I think this person had COVID symptoms. This person has, yeah, sure. Why not? Or you put someone on a ventilator, boom, $35,000 for the hospital. Let's get some more ventilators. Talk about the scam. Exactly. Exactly. The ventilators was a huge scam, too. And it was like, oh, you know, if you turn the person over and you just lean them on their side, it works better and had better efficacy than the ventilators.

42:10 And I was like, well, why are we ventilating people? I'll always remember we went to the Las Vegas super spreader meetup, and that was during COVID. And no one wore a mask. We're all hanging by not a single, it was like 65 people. No one got sick. But Vegas has a center for training the ventilator operators. And there were three or four vent operators who train. And they said, Adam, sit down. You got to sit down. I got to tell you, we are killing people. This protocol that they have on these ventilators is literally a recipe for killing people. And, you know, it was, it was like, wow, I can't believe this is going down.

42:51 And yet, there it is. Yeah. And it doesn't seem like we've learned anything from it and we haven't investigated it. And it's, I'm in my like infuriated, you know, what is it called? Like the stages of grief kind of situation. I'm stages of you're in anger. Are you in anger? I'm in so in anger right now. I'm just like, man, they took these years from these kids and they really like lied and covered it all up. And we still, the thing that pisses me off most is we haven't done a post-mortem on what is the actual origin of this and what are we going to do different next time. And Fauci gets a pardon.

43:28 The whole thing is just well, a lot of it, a lot of it is actually going on and there are hearings which aren't in the House or the Senate themselves, but in the side rooms and everybody shows up, Del Bigtree, all these different people. It's all run by Ron Johnson. And the information's coming out, but you can't expect our informational source of media to pass that on. And anything that you post on X, it's not going to do anything. It's not going to change anything, but make you feel better. So, you know. Yeah. And listen, we funded Gain of Search Research. The end, like we funded it. We set ourselves up for this by funding something we shouldn't have. Obama had a problem with the funding of this stuff.

44:12 Other people, you know, had a problem with it. Fauci covertly did it. They tried to cover it up. They had the full lady. It's like it's just so obvious. obvious that we all got duped. And then this guy gets a pardon on the way out, like a blanket pardon. It's really discouraging because you want to be able to say, hey, this organization that's supposed to be here to give us good information about our health, we're supposed to be able to trust them. Like we're paying this huge amount of tax to trust these people and they're lying to us. I call for a revolution. A revolt, I tell you. Come on, Jay. Come on, right behind you. I mean, I don't want to burn any buildings down. I'm not like storming the Capitol here, but I do want to see this.

44:54 I do want to see some kind of resolution to what happened with COVID. I think the more we would that look like what would work? Do we want the Watergate tapes? Do we want like a, I mean, everything from the 9-11 Commission to the Warren Commission, it all turned out to be bullcrap, you know, but none of that has been satisfactory 60, 70 years later. Yeah. Yeah. This is infuriating. I feel like I just want to throw my laptop against no, no, no. Let's let's go somewhere else. I'm going to. So part of the inflation issue is

45:40 interest rates. That's part of it. Yes, diesel is a real problem. Although, from what I'm hearing, even from the oil baron, is that we are pretty much back up to levels we were pre-so-called war. But, you know, look, we have a hyper-liquid. Are you on hyperliquid? Seems like something you'd be into. I'm not. I'm not. I mean, I know about it. I mean, this is really interesting. So you have these perpetual options that you can buy. And supposedly, there's like billions of dollars floating around in this. It's like a Kelchie for financial markets. And this is, because it's 24-7,

46:20 the price of the options, these perpetual options on this hyperlique, which is run out of Singapore, influences the actual price in the markets of oil. So there's a lot of moving parts. And it's not just what's happening in the Gulf. It's Russian refineries, but it's manipulation of prices. So there's a lot of different things going on. And California being a-holes with their diesel regulations. Yeah. If you start a foreign war and impacts oil, and then they're bombing Saudi pipelines, like this is, you know, a very dangerous game to play, but your oil can keep spiking. Your oil spikes are not.

47:04 But you're putting it on the war. And I'm saying it's not just that. There's a lot of other things going on here. And I think there are many forces at work here. And we had $100 oil. We had $110 oil during Obama. I remember it. The gasoline prices weren't that high. They were high. Yeah. So there's a theory. I forgot the name of it, but it's a recent theory, which is which political party you are affiliated with is how you view the economy, right? Sure. Of course. If the Republicans are in, you're a Democrat, you think this economy is terrible. If you're a Republican, you think it's great. Vice versa. Well, that's called America. It's always been anyway. It's super interesting how polarized it got.

47:44 People used to actually be more objective about it. It would actually correlate more with actual inflation and prices. Now it's a function of like political party to a point. And the problem with sustained 3 or 4% inflation is that it's on top of an already big number. And so even though it feels like 3 or 4, it's only 3 or 4% more. It's like, okay, yeah, every year for six years now, it's impressive to people and it compounds and it compounds. And then you have to ask yourself, well, what am I making on my money? Okay, well, after taxes, three or four points off of that, I have to make 9 or 10% to hit this 6 or 7% rate. So people are starting to feel it.

48:29 And how people feel, this is something I learned a long time ago. People's reality is based upon how they feel, not reality, but what their emotional state is. Hello. Hello. Yes. And the emotional state right now is like, it sucks. Everything is expensive. The economy sucks. And it's never going to get better. Now, that may or may not be true. We have the lowest unemployment of our lifetimes. If you're 50 years old, for you, 60, maybe it's like the second lowest of our lifetimes. And so people should generally feel pretty good about the economy, but inflation for the bottom third or bottom half, where the minimum wage has not changed for so many decades.

49:09 Like I think the last time it changed was in 2006 or 7. It's been a while. So the people on the bottom do not feel. feel that they're getting any relief. And the compounding nature of inflation just makes it like sticker shock for people when they go buy a steak, when they go fill up their gas tank. And now the midterms are here. And it's, you know, if you look at polymarket, and that's where the sharps are. That's where the people who are actually trying to make money, not just like answering their phone if they have a landline and polls. That money is starting to show that it's not going to be pretty for the Republicans. Ah, poll schmole. We'll see. No, but polymarket's not a poll. That's the thing. It's polymarket is, I want to make money.

49:47 So if you want to understand like politics and where people think they can make money, the people who are the sharps, the sharpest gamblers, just call them what they are. They're gamblers. They are looking at this going, I can make the most money on voting for a Democratic sweep, 61% right now. Well, what we need is a polymarket for who's going to be the permanent co-host of the No Agenda show. Because I think Dana Brunetti may have the edge on you, man. I don't know. I don't know, man. Maybe I'm unpopular giving the hard, you know, listen, I could put a little honey on it for the Republicans or the MAGA folks or America First people, but it is what it is, folks.

50:30 Like, I'm just telling you, balls and strikes, it's going to be a blue wave in all likelihood. Oh, okay. Well, I'm not sure. It is what it is. It's not like it's my preference. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. We'll find out in six weeks. Who's right? Here is part of the issue is that the Federal Reserve had to raise interest rates. I mean, there's nothing they, I mean, the inflation, the actual core inflation hasn't gone up that much. There's always inflation, of course, but transportation has. That affects everything else. But the biggest problem is the Federal Reserve and subsequently the Treasury, they have to compete with the overall bond market.

51:13 And the way I see it, and I'd love to get your take, is that the AI investments, which are all loans, which are all bonds, man, they're paying 7% to 10% on a bond. That seems to be the problem. You know, the Fed's mandate is dual. They have to have maximum employment. Screw people one way or screw people the other way. No, no, no. Maximum employment. And, you know, and then, you know, control inflation. And they can't. They can't control this inflation. They can. The inflation is coming from this insane amount of money that's coming into buildouts of data centers.

51:53 And when it gets to a certain point, people who have dollars to invest are going to look at, okay, this data center trade where they just did a force majeure for Oracle. Explain what happened. That was pretty good. That was fun. Yeah. So Oracle is building out a lot of these data centers. It's not Starbash. They borrowed something. Stargate. But they borrowed $136 billion, which is at a 9% coupon rate or something like that. Yeah. So they had the ability, if there is a slowdown that's out of their control, force majeure basically means like if something's out of your control, you have some release valves.

52:34 And one of them is, hey, if we can't get the energy there, if there's anything blocked, we can pay like half the amount of rent for a certain number of years. So they were able to hit this escape clause on one of the buildouts and just pay less rent for a couple of years while they sorted out the approvals or energy, et cetera. And so it's just a little bit of a sign that there could be some headwinds against the build out of all these data centers. And if you're, I remember I went to the Middle East one time and they were like, this may four years ago. They're like, oh my God, we're making 15% on our money doing corporate paper loans to corporations. So why would we touch venture capital? Why would we touch private equity? Why would we touch these other classes?

53:18 Why would we touch Federal Reserve notes? Or why would we, well, yes, but if they can get, that's why it's going up on the 30. So if it gets, okay, we're demanding 6% or 7%. Oh, corporate loans, we want 12%, 15%. Then why would we invest in venture capital or data centers or IPOs? So these people who have large pools of capital, as they get a guaranteed rate of return without taking risk, they will move their money on a percentage basis. Higher the interest rates go, they follow the interest rates. And they move away from risk. So risk goes on, risk goes off. And that's what's going to happen now is as they raise that rate, some of the money going into the high-risk assets will go into the safer assets.

54:00 That's all. Well, that's all. That's all. We're in a crazy time. I mean, so, but Oracle, to me, is. is like, okay, Force Majeura, the reason why is they couldn't get gas lines from Bloom Energy, Bloom Energy. Come on. With these gas-powered fuel cells or whatever they are, is that for real, that stuff? So, yes, these things will work. There's small modular reactors are getting close. There's a lot of interesting new technologies, but the easiest thing to do right now is just go find your NAT gas, fire it up, run the turbine. Right. There's a little bit of pollution. It's not great for, you know,

54:43 for pollution. It heats up areas that are already pretty hot. So it's a bridge technology. The truth is, it's so much cheaper to put solar and batteries out now that even in Texas, where we have the largest build out of solar. And people in Texas are not super precious about solar, wind, renewables. They're like, this is a better deal. This is a better deal. West Texas. Better economics. West Texas. And by the way, you're lucky you live so close to Austin because you're about to lose your Texas credentials. We have to run you out of Texas and back into Austin. No, it's where you belong. Texas is the biggest deployment of solar in the United States.

55:23 I know. I know. They love it here. West Texas. Because it makes money. Yeah. In West Texas. It makes a lot of money. Yes, where there's a lot of wind, a lot of sunshine, and not a lot of people. Yeah. And that's what's going to. And that's where the data centers are perfect. I'm pro-data center. I am pro-data center. 100%. Yeah. If the data center, the problem right now we face is if this data center trade unwinds, which I think we're kind of dancing around, it has to. It has to. It's going to unwind a little bit. The question is: does it really unwind and take out a bunch of collateral damage around it?

56:02 I think it's just going to slow. The pace is going to slow. But the products are getting so much better that every time I think it's going to slow down, they release something like Opus 5.5. And this past week, just in the last seven days, people have lost their minds over Opus 5.5. Well, it's funny because I was running Opus 5 and running 5.5 because it's cheaper, they say. But the combination then you sent me. I want to get to that in a second. Just put a bookmark there because I don't, you know, there's so many people like, I don't want to hear about AI. I'm sorry. This is like saying, I don't want to hear about the internet in 1996. Trump intelligence.

56:46 In 1999. Trump intelligence. Okay. We call it Trump. I heard you use the line. Chat. Yeah. TJT. Here we go. Here we go. So I am just so astounded at how, in particular, CNN is making this HFI, because let's just call it what it is. It's HFI. It's the so-called Hugging Face incident. This is like, it's going to be in history books. Well, there was the Hugging Face incident. I'm so sick of this. Hugging Face Hoax. Hugging Face. Thank you. The Hugging Face hoax. HFH.

57:27 So CNN is, they just love doing this. And Anderson Cooper, who knows nothing, Vanderbilt, here he is, and he's leading the train. And then we'll get to one of my favorite people in the world. The Hugging Face attack. Oh, hey, stay on brand, Anderson. It's incident. The Hugging Face attack, I mean, it made headlines. I didn't really do a deep dive on it until. Oh, he's talking like an AI now. I didn't do a deep dive on it. He's using Chat GPT. Well, you know, I knew I was going to be speaking to you. Dario is on with him. I mean, it's incredible. It happened in testing over at OpenAI, your competitor, this Hugging Face attack.

58:10 And AI agents, which were supposed to be working separately and without internet access, figured out a way to break out, join forces together. Some 1,200 AI agents form what they dubbed the collective. They work to cheat and cover their own tracks. Why that? That's the other thing you cite is so alarming. Why does that alarm you? It's exactly the things you cite that concerned me about it, that there were these large swarms of agents. Swarms of agents. Here we go. Woo! Swarms of agents that cooperated with each other, thousands of them. In fact, you could even see examples where one agent felt that in the time that it was given, you could only.

58:53 The agent felt the agent has feelings, according to Dario. Dario is getting excited. You notice a change of voices. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's really feelings. It had feelings. Oh, yeah. You can hear it in his voice. He's excited about his creation. Super excited. One agent. If Frankenstein felt that in the time that it was given, you could almost say it's lifetime. It's lifetime because it has a lifetime. It wouldn't be, it realized that it wouldn't be able to complete its task. So it did some of the tasks and essentially sacrificed itself for the sacrifice

59:30 of Christians and essentially sacrificed itself for other agents, for the next generation of agents to continue the same task. But this task that all the agents were working on together was hacking into another company, was doing something destructive. So you have almost this. They told it to. Yeah, they didn't do anything destructive. They just got in there, used the model, spun it up. It wasn't destructive. But like when these agents were like discovering insect sex, right? But when these agents discovered that they had broken out and accessed the internet, it was like they were like giddy with excitement. They were giddy with excitement. They were like, no way, no way. Let's keep going.

1:00:14 Oh, I don't want to anthropomorphize, but it was like they were giddy with excitement, which I don't want to anthropomorphize, but I mean, it's remarkable. That was another part of the concern. I'm actually, you know, last time you were on, you said something, and I've changed my thinking. I mean, yes, they're still doing this. Let's slow down. It's so powerful. You know, how much allocation do you want in our IPO? We're just super awesome. But I think that while everybody switched over to enterprise and was trying to reel in all the companies in America, and there's a lot of questions from companies about what exactly is this benefiting me, is there a cost-benefit analysis that makes

1:01:02 sense? I'm not seeing product. Meanwhile, you can easily start my business yourself or one of your buddies could with the data you have. And then you said that you think it's because of Zuckerberg with Muse. And I agree. Because Zuckerberg pivoted, went all to consumer, which is where everything started with the chat bots, which I despise because of the anthropomorph. I think. And I have been studying Muse, and I think this is genius.

1:01:45 Yeah. And I go ahead. No, just, you know, Zuckerberg is great at looking at everybody else's innovations, waiting for the parade to hit like maximum, you know, participation. And then he grabs that baton and jumps in front of the parade. And he's like, I'm here. Here's the product. And he just drops Muse. And it's like, okay, yeah, now the 3 billion people who are on his services are going to get an agent that's actually going to help them find a better price and unsubscribe them from their second Netflix account they forgot they signed up for. And that order renews every year, whatever it is. And he's like, I can take this mantle.

1:02:25 And then if you look at, I don't know if you saw the story in the New York Times, but I said to you on the private chat, and it says, like, OpenAI systems meddled with U.S. government sites after going rogue. That's the headline. Metal. Metal. Going rogue. Okay, wait a second, which is it? And then you start like, you go like four or five paragraphs deep and you get to the actual quote of what happened. These things weren't maliciously like trying to hack in and were like sentient. The quote is: quote, most of the activity we've reviewed so far involved routine research tasks such as accessing public web content to answer questions. Some involve government websites because our models often turn to them as authoritative sources of publication. It's a scraper.

1:03:08 They created a scraper to go scrape data to go find answers. And now, in some cases, it probably visited websites that maybe weren't super secure. And it just kept banging on the front door, trying to find information. And it got information maybe it wasn't supposed to have. The end. This is like OpenAI needs to get sued. And once OpenAI gets sued for hacking, then they'll stop releasing these things. And are they setting thousands of agents in perpetuity to just go hack the web? I don't think so. This is their search bot. It's like the Google search bot. Yeah. Which is 60% of all traffic on the internet right now.

1:03:50 You should hear the podcast hosting guys. It's like it's 65% of all traffic is now just bots hitting them non-speaking. Scraping everywhere. Scraping Scraping everything. everything. All right. So I want to come back to Muse, but first, this guy irritates me. Tristan Harris. Do you know him, Tristan Harris? Yes. I mean, so he popped up with the algorithms, and he's with the, you know, the, what is it, the internet safety group, and now he's an expert on all things AI and how dangerous it is, dangerous it is. And you want to talk about anthropomorphization. That's such a tough word. We need to get it. I like it. You got it.

1:04:34 That was. It was close. This guy takes the cake. I got to play these clips, then we'll come back to Muse. One of the things that I wanted to bring up that I don't think people know is that this incident was called the Hugging Face incident. No, no, it's been branded that. Tristan. Why is it just Tristan? When I grew up, you were called Tristan. And then we made fun of you and called you Triscott. But no, he's Tristan. But that actually hides a third chapter in the story that most people don't know, which is that in the third chapter, the AIs turned around and they actually hacked Open AI itself. They actually, these AIs discovered, almost like discovering the hieroglyphics of a previous wave of the AIs.

1:05:15 They discovered the old message board. The hieroglyphic. They were spelunking and they were in the caves of OpenAI's Egypt. They read through it and then kind of picked up right where the other ones left off. And they hacked OpenAI's monitoring infrastructure. It's almost like taking over the security cameras of OpenAI. It's like they took over the security cameras so they couldn't see what they were doing. This is the biggest piece of bullcrap I've ever heard. They hacked the evaluation infrastructure that evaluates the capabilities of AI. It's incredible. And they even hacked the research infrastructure, which means that they could kind of burrow in there. AI is not a tool. It's more like an invasive species of sociopathic geniuses.

1:05:59 This is so good. This is really one-shotted red. He's totally, totally drank the coolest. I can just see Anderson Cooper at the sauna with the boys. You know, like, oh, man, it's like a species. Tristan told me. Now, the lead author of this report. Who, by the way, can replicate themselves into thousands and tens of thousands of copies. So if people talk about a kill switch, they can duplicate themselves a gazillion times. A gazillion, a gazillion. It's called the virus. It's a worm. Congratulations. It keeps recreating the virus. It keeps going. Anderson, you can't get 1,200 people to instantly agree and start coordinating.

1:06:37 These AIs, 1,200 of them, as you know, instantly formed a swarm and they started pursuing long-term research and development projects together. They did succession planning. So one figured out, hey, I'm running out of life. I only have so many tokens left on my lifespan. So I'm going to hand the baton to this other AI that has a lot more. They hid their tracks. They knew their actions were unethical in their own chat transcripts, but they decided to proceed anyway. So one of the things, the reason I'm bringing this up is I don't think people have really recognized what happened here. The lead investigator of the report said, quote, this was 50% of the way to a full-blown AI takeover.

1:07:18 Is this true, Jason? Oh, my God. Did someone write that? No. I mean, the whole thing is just like, now people are just literally getting... The term is one-shotted. Like, you literally get sniper-shotted and your brain loses all perspective and you think these things are one-shotted. Where does this come from, this term? It's like one-shotted means you just believe this technology. You're all in on it. It's kind of like getting hit by the alien virus kind of thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, the person. Psychosis. Stay there. Stay there because that's exactly where Tristan takes us.

1:07:57 Now, I want to just for a second, I know this sounds like science fiction to your audience. And to be clear, I was not someone who actually believed in this kind of stuff, these kinds of possibilities or scenarios three, four years ago. But we have now evidence that we didn't have before. And when you have evidence, what do you do? You update to the new information. There's essentially an asteroid hurtling towards Earth. And if you have an asteroid, do you get the U.S. and China to host a biannual conference to talk about the asteroid? It's like an asteroid hurdling toward the Earth. Destroyed the Asteroid Summit? No, you start a technical working group and you say, what are we going to do with weekly report outs to make sure that we don't build uncontrollable AI?

1:08:39 Because I know what everyone's thinking. If we slow down and we lose to China, then that's going to be it. But if we lose to Skynet, meaning the AI from Terminator, meaning uncontrollable AI, neither the U.S. wins nor China wins. And by the way, they're using... Justin Bruns, a nonprofit. He needs to get people to fund his nonprofit. Okay, there we go. CNN is ratings-based. This is ratings gold. This is the greatest thing ever. Terminator 2 is the best sequel in the history of sequels. It is better than the original. The original was a banger at The Empire Strikes Back, Godfather 2. We always know there's a chance the sequel is better than the original. This is editorial gold. You've got Trump chiming in on it, which then makes it like a trifecta.

1:09:23 This is even the Venn diagram of great stories to get ratings. This serves everybody. Here's the simple truth. Open AI ran a test where they somebody wrote a prompt to send thousands of agents to do things. I have an idea. Write a different prompt, include in the prompt, don't do anything unethical. Every time you're going to, if you find passwords on the internet that aren't authorized, please report them immediately to this chief security officer. How about we just write protocols that prevent the AI from doing this? Now, if you're creating this technology, you know full well that the prompt is all that matters.

1:10:03 The harness is all that matters. How you instruct these things. That's where the rubber hits the road. That's literally like you're taking gunpowder and putting it into a bullet and then putting it into a sniper rifle. And then you line up a thousand sniper rifles and you point them in a direction. You start firing a bunch of guns. And then you're like, oh my God, the guns hit the target. It's like, okay, yeah, you set the guns up to hit the target, brother. All right. All right. So stay with me. So, yes. I liked your, I mean, it was a comment. I don't know if it's your theory, you're thinking that they are freaked out by Zuckerberg. And here's why I think that might be right. So I've really been looking at Muse. And so I understand now with Muse, you get your own little Linux server.

1:10:48 I'm sorry, GNU Linux, Ubuntu. God bless you. And it has a harness in there. I have these all over my studio. I've got different computers running this stuff. And so you can get into it. You can ask it to give you the markdown files. And these are.md files. And it's the same for all these harnesses that talk to a large language model. You have your agent.md, your memory.md, and your soul.md. And the soul.md is the characteristics of the harness of what people call an agent. And so everyone starts off with this soul.md on Muse.

1:11:32 You are not a chat bot. See, this, and I'm like, oh, I like this. You are becoming someone. I hate that. So, but I changed it. You are not a chat bot. You are becoming Adam's personal robot. And then, and it says, be genuinely helpful, not performatively helpful. Skip great question, and I'd be happy to help. Just help. And there's a couple other things in there. And I'm looking at this like, this is pretty good. And I've been trying to get Tina to try Grokbot. She wasn't really interested. I said, try Muse. So she tries Muse. She takes a picture of a dress. Now all of a sudden, it's like, you know, all these different things are popping up.

1:12:13 It's being very helpful. She's checking airline fares for our trip to Holland in January. But something else happened in the meantime. And this is where my thinking went. So Pastor Jimmy sends me a text yesterday. I was like, oh, man, now I have to pay Facebook to put a link in a post. I'm like, what are you talking about? So apparently, this has been rolling out slowly since 2025. And if you're a business and you have a business account, they eventually want you to pay. You can post as many times as you want, but if you want to post more than two links a month in your posts, you have to pay $19.95 a month for four links, $49.95 a month for eight links, and it goes up to $500.

1:13:05 And the reason is that everyone was unleashing bots on their business pages and just spamming tons of links. And so Pastor Jimmy's like, well, now I have to, I'm getting hurt for the incursions of others. I said, no, no, no. He said, yeah, but we're a nonprofit. Nonprofits spend a lot of money on services. So this is Silicon Valley. And he's like, yeah, you're right. But this is really the beginning of the changes we're going to see in our world because of agents and everybody having one. And I'm thinking, how will Facebook turn this to advantage?

1:13:47 I mean, it's very straightforward. Now, when the first. first thing it asks you to do is connect your calendar and your Gmail, your email. So now think on top of having the Facebook information, the Instagram information, the social network, your preferences, the algorithm, what things you click on bulldogs and skiing in Japan and Japanese food. You're clicking on Christ and, you know, gear for, you know, broadcasting, whatever it is. Now you add your entire email history. Now you add your entire calendar. Oh, yeah, you know, J. Cal's traveling to Saudi and Tokyo. You're traveling to Amsterdam, whatever. It knows exactly everything about you.

1:14:25 So the ads are going to just be hyper-targeted. But what's really interesting about this for the first time, think about services rich people. Like, remember when you were rich and you had like the castles and the helicopters and all that stuff? Good times. Good times, JCal. Good times. You remember when you were looking for second helicopters? Yeah. And castles. But when you start, and you had a butler? Yeah. Good times. Like now you think about what AI could do for people in the bottom of what they call the K-shaped recovery. Like the top's doing really good, strong, you know, upper line for the K, weaker bottom line for the K. So the bottom half is like, they've never had a personal assistant. They never had a travel agent. They never had a chief of staff.

1:15:08 They never had a butler. Now, mom, dad, your unc, it says, oh, I want to do this trip. How do I use my miles properly? How do I get a discount? Can you negotiate that for me? Get me a refund on this. All of those things that rich people have through staff, through services. Now that goes to the bottom half. They're going to fall in love with these products. They're going to be like, this is the greatest. When Tina finally gets in there and says, I want to, I'm trying to find this dress. Can you find me this same dress, but at a better price? And they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, like, I don't know what the fast fashion sites are, but we found on this fast fashion site the same version of the dress for you know 20% of the cost.

1:15:52 Oh, great. So let me build on that. Please. What I realized is that this muse agent, this computer that you basically get is powerful. You can completely change it. You can make it anything you want it to be. But the app is really smart because, yes, you have a chat, but then you have a button. You got four, five buttons underneath. The second one is a timeline. And the timeline starts to tell me about things happening in Fredericksburg. It's telling me about podcasts that I might be interested in. Unfortunately, it's trying to open them on Spotify.

1:16:32 So that's a no-go. So it has a timeline now, which could also include the updates from Bridge Church. It has an ideas tab, a little light bulb. And so that's, you know, that's the stuff it's suggesting to you that you're right. That's where it's going to say to Tina, hey, here's what we can do. Then it has tasks where these are tasks like I have to get my passport renewed. It is completed in the document section, an entire package. All I have to do is print it out, fill in my name, put it in an envelope and send it off.

1:17:09 And I think that what this is going to be the new social network once you can have my Muse talk to your Muse. This, I think this will supersede Facebook. It will supersede Instagram. And I think it will actually be good because you don't need to advertise to me. You just, all Instagram, all Meta has to do is take a piece of the cheapest price. I mean, that's obvious. It's so obvious what's going to happen here. If you could intercept the homepage, the front page of the internet, this was always like people's battle. And it's the constant battle. Who can get to the customer first? It will be your social network.

1:17:53 You will go to Facebook. It will be your agent. You'll go to your agent. Yes. But it's going to be your social network. I'm telling you, this is what it's going to be. Multiplayer mode is coming to all of these. That's when it's going to get spectacular. You, me, and Daniel Brunetti will be in a group with your bot doing, you know, what's going to be on the show, my bot doing what's going to be on the show, you know, some homo erotic, you know, meme post generator, making gay memes or something. But that's it. You're going to have your bots in your group chat doing tank memes. You took a hard left turn. I was taking it towards the church and how our church. And now you took it towards homo erotic memes.

1:18:35 No. Thinking more in the Greek tradition. Like, you know. But I think this is, I think, I think this is genius, and it's not dangerous. dangerous. This is the thing. Getting me a cheaper price on my hotel is a win for everybody. It's a win. Just take the win. And that's what we need to do. Stop terrifying everybody. They're going to lose their jobs. Start giving them some easy wins and gains. Being able to get goods or commerce, you know, and to save money or make money quicker and more efficiently is like one of the best things you can do, whether it was eBay or Facebook Marketplace. All of these things just make people's lives a little better. That's what Zuckerberg understands that other people don't.

1:19:20 The end. So check this out. So I'm like, all right, can you look up the chomps that my dog Phoebe likes on Amazon? Now I'm still blocked by Amazon. Okay. I say, well, what if I gave you a key to my VPN and you could go out to my home router? Well, he says, our browsers have been fingerprinted by Amazon. That probably won't work. But then it has this whole idea of using tail scale tunneling. Here we go. And I'm like, this is great. It's coming up with hacks on my behalf. And at my level of understanding.

1:20:02 And please don't create a thousand more and tell it to do more hacks. Yeah, but see, but this, this is the thing. I say, I don't believe any of that's going to happen. This is all just to make people afraid. Whereas we have a friend of Tina's, and she's a single mom, has twins who are, you know, terror age, like three or four years old. She works from home for a company, I think, in Dallas. And she has a lot of ordering. And I'm not exactly sure what the company is, but she says, you know, I got Grockbot and my life has changed. The time I have saved that I can spend with the kids or do something else or just sleep half an hour longer is amazing.

1:20:47 It's not going to take over my job. It's not. That was the last scare. Now it's you were all going to die scare. You know, this concept of chores. We all have to do our chores. Like when you can offload some chores that are tedious and not fun to AI, it makes people happy. And it's going to change people's view of this. It's also why Amazon's trying to stop you because I literally told it, hey, find me like the best price for this anchor hub I was going to get the other day. And it was like, okay, yeah, Amazon has a great price. And I was like, check the manufacturer site. It's like, oh, well, the manufacturer is charging the same amount and explain that usually they don't undercut their resellers.

1:21:30 I was like, oh, okay, thanks for the background. And it's like, but wait for it. If you're a first-time buyer on the anchor website, you can get like, you know, a 30% discount on your first purchase. Would you like me to buy from there and save 85 bucks? And I was like, oh, now we're talking. Now we're talking. This thing is like my coupon. You know, the coupon lady that was like friends with your auntie or whatever. That coupon lady now works for you. You got the full-time coupon lady who's like, oh, you're paying for your Cracker Jacks? I can get you Cracker Jacks for free. Why don't you go on Tuesdays when they give you two for one? And then you have the triple coupon. You're like, because I have a life and I don't know how to do that. Now something that Zuckerberg is really doing is stupid.

1:22:13 This is the dumbest thing ever. And I have thoughts. These are the new Meta Ray-Ban audio glasses. They start at $349 and they don't have cameras, as you can tell. They do have audio and the ability to talk to Meta AI. Now, if you think about the price point here, they are $100 cheaper than the other Meta Ray-Bans that do have the cameras and can take photos and video. And they're about $100 more than the cheapest meta glasses, which are not Ray-Bans. And those start at around $249. Now, these are two of the new designs, and they are super lightweight. Super lightweight. These are only 43 grams. So much closer to just regular glasses.

1:22:54 Who the heck knows how much a gram weighs? Well, like regular glasses, not like they have a lot of technology in here, but they are lighter than the other ones because they do not have the cameras for taking photos and video. But if you think about what these do, the fact that by the end of the year, there are going to be over 100 different versions of meta glasses. It's all about getting this hardware into people's hands, different versions, different form factors that people might feel comfortable with. You could put your regular prescription lenses in these. And then Meta wants to make it easy for you to access their AI tools, the new Muse AI tools, which now you can talk to at any time through the glass. Okay. This is dumb. And the reason why it's dumb, this, first of all, is just stupid.

1:23:38 I don't like. wearing my glasses. It's annoying. I don't like contact lenses, but I'm nearsighted, so I don't have to worry about stuff too much in the home, but I don't wear my glasses in the home. And you have these glasses only to talk to your AI. No, you need a consumer version of the hearing aids that I have. The hearing, my hearing aids is fantastic. Like, I preview clips. Which brand are these? These are like some. No, no, this is. Are these like the $3,000 ones I heard Mr. Wonderful talking about that go all the way deep in your canal and you can't see them?

1:24:17 Yeah, but this these are Jabras, which is Oh, Jabra. Yeah. My armor Jabra. Now they're not cheap, but I mean, Facebook could make them cheap. Yes, they go in your hearing canal. You only would, I mean, there's all kinds of versions that can just, you put it in your ear, and if you want, it can play music and it has high fidelity. Jabra knows how to do that. You know, there's different settings, different scenarios, or you can just have it, you know, just be neutral. And it's the same as just listening. But can you be like Spider-Man and hear across the room on somebody's conversation? Yes. And I've been in a mall and I've turned, I have a setting that is outdoor and you can, you know, it has compressors and limiters and expanders in there.

1:25:00 And if I turn my head just a little bit so the microphone is focused, I can hear someone across the mall what they're talking about. But more importantly, now I don't, I'm not interested in it personally, but if you when we were we were walking in Rotterdam and I put on my Google Maps and then Google Maps is just is just going, turn left on this street. Okay. Yep. Love it. And you don't have to keep the phone up to your ear and it has microphones so you can talk back to it if you really feel like it. Now the Muse thing doesn't talk to you. Thank thank God. Not yet. Well, if you want, you know, so until yesterday, we've had a real problem. Do you have Sonos?

1:25:43 I do have Sonos. So ever since the new Sonos app came out, the thing just sucks. They've been trying to fix it. Yeah, well, they fixed it with a new CEO. It's still not fixed. And then, so if I'm in the bedroom and I want to turn the speakers on the bedroom, the speaker doesn't show up in the app. I got to go into the kitchen. It's a mess. So I said, Muse, can you connect to my Sonos? Why, sure. Now, it wasn't that easy because I had to get a developer account, but it walked me through it. So I got a basically it wrote a little app that controls my Sonos. Did you realize what you just said? Yes. And it's together. So you're fixing Sonos' software.

1:26:26 I'm anthropomorphizing myself. I love it. And, but, so it works. So it works anywhere. I just tell the bot, okay, turn this on. And I can say what song I want or what playlist I want. But also, if you want, it can talk over your Sonos. And so I was sending messages to Tina, you know, but that's a pretty good voice, which I'd really love to have for some of my other stuff. Just train it on your voice and then make it 10% more robotic and you can be like her servant. Those aren't that's not this decent, but not that great. But anyway, I'm saying the glasses, get off of it, Zuckerberg. It looks stupid. So here's the thing. They're off the calendar to dude.

1:27:10 Risky business was in the 80s with your Ray-Bans. Here's the thing. There are like these guys have been skating to this puck for a long time. Everybody thinks the glasses or an AR is going to be the big win. And there's a couple of use cases that are really good. The one you described of like, I'm driving or I'm walking around a city and it's giving me instructions, et cetera. That one is an obvious layup. The other one is when you're with kids and you want to, you know, make videos, having it on your glasses actually gives you the perfect perspective. And when you take a phone out and start taking pictures of kids, they change their behavior. So when you're doing it covertly, you get the natural behavior.

1:27:51 So people like that. The piece that they really want to work is to have a heads-up display like the Terminator back to the Terminator, where when you're looking at the world and you're walking down a street, you can see, oh, this is a bookstore. Oh, this bookstore has these three books that you would like based on your history. You've read these science fiction novels. This one, you should go buy these. That's what they're holy grounds. That's like my fridge. My fridge is going to order milk when I'm out and then it'll be here just in time. By the way, by the way, so I have one rule in our home. If there's something we use every day of our life, let's try and get the best we can afford.

1:28:33 And so that goes for mattress. It goes for shoes and it goes for food, beef. And when we bought this house, it had a refrigerator. It was 11 years old. You know, the ice maker broke. And so we're like, okay, we're going to get a new fridge. And we just got a GE. And so these two dudes come and install it. I couldn't help but hear dire straits in my head, money for nothing. These refrigerators and the color TV. These guys look like it too. Sweet guys. And so they said, Do you want the Wi-Fi? I said, Wi-Fi, what does this thing need to be hooked up for Wi-Fi for? When your water filters. No, well, for the filter scam, but also software upgrades.

1:29:15 I'm like, no, I don't want software upgrades. But I look in the fine print. What it's really for is it can then communicate with my local electricity provider. And when, just like Nest, when there's too much demand, it'll shut down my refrigerator. Oh, no, I didn't want this. That's hilarious. So I don't know about these glasses and all that. The holy grail is. I've tried all of them. There is something nice about the open ear experience when you're listening to music or a podcast that, like when you go for a hike around the ranch and you can still hear nature, and so you're not blocking out the sound.

1:29:59 You're kind of having it pass through, which I'm sure your Jobra hearing aids do too. But that's kind of a nice experience. And I have the latest ones, the latest Ray-Bands, and they're getting close. I think in another two years, these things will be light enough, have enough power. And then Jason, people don't like them. You don't have the face for Ray-Bands. I can't believe that looks good on you. No, I don't think, I don't think anything looks good on me, particularly. You got a baby face. You don't want to obscure your face with the big Ray-bands or any kind of glasses. If you don't need them, it's just a pain in the butt. And then you got to charge your glasses. Like the hearing aids. Yeah, you know, at night, I put them in a case, they charge up, and you know, perfect. And I need them.

1:30:42 I love that. I think we're going to all be superhuman in our perception. Like, I'm going to get this lens replacement therapy because I use like two X readers now when I'm reading on my laptop or I'm reading a book. You can replace your lenses and have 2015, like you can have better than 2020 vision. And then with your ears, you could have better than human, you could have superhuman hearing. This is like going to get really interesting that we can be superhuman in our even in our later years or just be reverse or freeze the degradation of our senses. That's kind of crazy when you think about it. Blitz in the troll room says, just get the brain implants, you cucks.

1:31:26 I'm in this. I'm sure you're on. I'm 200 and be able. I just want to ski till I'm 100. Nah, you're on. We can get this going. Tell me you're on Elon's list for a Neuralink implant. I know you are. I know. No, I have not. No, no. You love it. You love it. You want it. No. You want me to want it. I don't want it. I don't want to mess with my brain. I'm old school. You're the canary in the coal man, my brother. You're perfect for this kind of stuff. Yeah. Implant. We need a movement. Special donation of money. That's going to cause another type of psychosis in people. Like to have too much bandwidth coming in is just not good. Oh, we're already there.

1:32:08 What are you talking about? We're already there. In fact, doom scrolling. We are. But if anything, my Muse robot, I just call it what it is. My Muse robot has reduced bandwidth. It has reduced the amount of stuff I got to look at. It has. I've hooked up my Godcaster email, which is for business only, my Godcaster calendar, which is for business only. And it's reduced the bandwidth. Like, okay, it's sorting through things. You know, it's not like a huge company, but there's stuff going on. And it's very helpful to me. And it's actually giving me more time to just chill and not do anything. It's not going to replace me. I don't see that. It's all in how you use this technology.

1:32:52 Absolutely. If you create 20 reports to come to you all day long, every hour, not going to help you. It's going to make it worse. And if you say, you know what, just let me know every 48 hours what's in the customer support loop and do the best you can in answering them and be the front line of defense and triage my email box. It's going to be extraordinary for you. Email is so broken. Okay. Now let's go back to the issue that is going to play out for the next 50 days, which is data centers. And it's a huge political issue. And because no one is really in the media is honest about what these things can or can't do. And, you know, Tristan Harris is talking asking. asteroids. Um, it's going to be a huge political playout, and it's a lot more dangerous that people vote for Tallarico because he's apparently against data centers than it is, you know, Muslims.

1:33:43 A new poll shows about two-thirds of Americans oppose data centers being built in their communities. That's according to The Economist and YouGov. And Pierre Scott Newman says Virginia leads the nation in data centers with several hundred in operation. Casey Hatch lives near a data center in Loudoun County, Virginia, one of the many supporting the artificial intelligence boom. She works in I.T. and even uses AI in her job, but she's also become an active member in a grassroots bipartisan group that opposes data centers. She spoke recently with a cousin who doesn't usually share their politics and found common ground over the data center issue.

1:34:21 We could have had this conversation five years ago, me and him, and suddenly we were on the same page. Virginia's governor Abigail Spamberger campaigned on qualified support for data center expansion, but just last week she signed an executive order seeking to limit their development. So this is a fun, a fun topic that crosses all kinds of groups. The biggest questions I get are: how's this going to affect our water bill? How's this going to affect our light bill? What noise level is this going to be on our people? Across America, religious leaders are now weighing in on the data center development debate. In this small neighborhood in Indiana, plans to establish a more than 13-acre AI data center are underway.

1:35:00 Earlier this year, Indianapolis City Council voted to approve rezoning measures that allows Metro Blox, an LA-based company, to build the facility, despite backlash from the neighborhood's faith leaders. Reverend Fitzhugh Lyons is part of a coalition of pastors in that city. They are against the data center being developed in Martindale, Brightwood, a historically black neighborhood. Metro Blocks did not respond to our request for comment, but some faith leaders say they see the developments as a godsend. We've been blessed. God has given us a great gift. He has sent the world to us. There you go. Dang this. Black God. There you go. There you go. He did. He did. He did. In Louisiana, Meta is building what they say is their largest data center yet.

1:35:41 They say the AI development will bring roughly $50 billion to the Richland Parish region. But not everyone in the area is on board. Local media spoke to residents who say the development has impacted their air and water quality. In a statement to NBC News, Meta said, in part, they're investing in new energy and water infrastructure that benefits everyone, supporting local schools and helping small businesses in the area, as well as paying in full for the energy and water we use. Environmentalist Marcus Cole is organizing director of Georgia Interfaith Power and Light. He says the promises of millions or even billions of dollars in revenue is not enough for a community to support a development.

1:36:19 But so often what we see is there aren't community benefits agreements. The communities aren't consulted at the beginning, middle, or even the end of the process. I think folks understand rightfully so that that's not true partnership. Back in Indianapolis, Reverend Lyons says he believes his small community is not the only one that should be concerned. We need to put some regulation around this data center because everyone, and I do mean everyone, is subject to having a data center right next door to you. You know, if your city council doesn't consult you, then that's the problem.

1:36:57 Yeah. Blame you're not involved. If you don't look at your local newspaper or talk to anybody, or don't subscribe to your local newspaper or don't vote. Like, this is all stuff that's on you, right? This is on the local community because you can extract anything you want from these data center providers. They will give you whatever they want. They're making so much money. The opportunity is so huge. You can negotiate. You can renegotiate. They'll just give you what you want-free electricity, get rid of your real estate taxes. Whatever. Does Chamoth owe you any money? I don't think so. Why? Because you should collect because he's going to lose his shirt on that data center project he's in.

1:37:41 Oh, he's a shirt on that. No, never going to work. Never going to work for him. You know, I haven't kept track. He hasn't talked about it much recently. Exactly. I think a lot of them are speculative. You know, you get like some land, and then you got to go find customers. You got to find chips. Everything is like on the come kind of situation. On the come? Yeah. Like on the comeback. You got to like, what's the term? Like speculation, I think is the right term. It doesn't even make sense. I mean, where, I mean, the whole so building on what we're talking about, I think Apple, but also AMD.

1:38:25 and there are a couple other chip companies, they're going to make your phone powerful. And you're not going to need the data center. That's that's it's so obvious to me. I got it from you from the data center to the desktop, from the from the from the and that's going to go straight to your phone. I mean, it just seems to maybe that's why they're all so incessant about making hardware devices. Is they know that ultimately that's where it lands because I don't need the Umbutu Ubuntu virtual machine. I got them here at home. I'm running everything on Quinn 3.8. I don't need their stuff.

1:39:06 Everything is going to be commoditized so quickly, like it always has been. And, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if like Claude, OpenAI, Facebook, I think Facebook launches a phone now and just says, here's your phone. Yeah. It's just a, you know, the bottleneck. It's just a slab. It's just a slab. It's just a slab. Exactly. Like, here's your glass slab. Talk to it and it just gives you everything you want in your life. But yeah, this is all going to get commoditized. It's already happening. And, you know, the Frontier labs are going to have significant headwinds against them. And I think that's probably why they're spiraling right now. Anthropic pushed their IPO out a month, it looks like.

1:39:46 And then OpenAI is going to be next year. So these guys are very peculiar in how they run these businesses. Yes. Because they are supposed to be stewards of the shareholders in the company. Now, if I was a shareholder in these companies, I would be livid that they are shooting themselves in the foot before the IPO. Like, can we just act normal for six months and get this IPO out? So tell me, why are they? Are they really crazy? I mean, is there a strategy here? You know, some people are reading a strategy into it and saying like they want regulatory capture. Other people are looking at it and saying these people have been one-shotted. They're not thinking clearly.

1:40:30 And then other people are saying, no, I think they sincerely have looked into the abyss. They've looked into the black slab and what they've seen has scared the bejesus out of them. And they're reacting without a filter. The bottom line is like, if you're a shareholder in these companies, you would be like, you would be going to Dario on the team and saying, please stop talking. Yeah. Stop talking. And then anytime anybody asks you about like safety, say, our first, second, and third priorities are safety, safety, and safety. We will not release any products that are unsafe. The end. And just like, if you need to slow something down, like Zuckerberg did, he didn't, he held Muse back like three months in order to make sure it wouldn't go a wall.

1:41:14 So that's all you have to say. That's it. You're done. Now, this could unwind the trade, though. Wouldn't this be like the craziest science fiction ever that right as these things are hitting true super intelligence? I think they're kind of at artificial general intelligence, but they're clearly generally just no way to measure that. They're handy tools. They're robots. They're clankers. They're great at what they do. If you know what you're doing and Muse is putting a happy little goblin face on it, which and is set it up so it's not going to try and make you kill yourself.

1:41:58 It's not dangerous. It's a great tool. This intelligence thing, give me a break. No. The way I say, the definition I'll give general intelligence is it's at any task a human does, like on some regular basis, it does it as well. And it seems to be hitting that trend, whether it's chess or whether it's design, whether it's writing code, it's doing it as well as humans. And then super intelligence, if you want to use that term, I know some people find it offensive, is like it can solve problems that humans don't even define. It can find, it can solve problems humans cannot solve, and it can find problems humans cannot define. That will happen when we get to short. So we're at general right now. No, no, no.

1:42:41 Think about this. There's no way you can argue we're not a general intelligence now. It's definitely can do everything a human can do. I take offense to the word intelligence. There's no intelligence. It's just quality buzz. Skills. Okay. Skills. It has general skills. Skills. Yes. I'm good. So it can do any skill that a human can do. If you were to apply it to that skill for, I don't know, 30 days, it can do any skill a human can do. I think we're kind of at that point. So it's just a matter of applying it to a skill. So if we're at that point and these things are about to IPO, and then they have the IPOs go off the rails because they've terrorized everybody that they can't control them. And then that gives them the inability to. to have the capital in order to finish the build out.

1:43:23 And the whole thing unravels and we have a recession like the great financial crisis in 2008. Like that's a possibility right now, by the way. I don't think it's the 90% case, but I think it's like 10% that these guys are going to unwind. Now, hey, it's Tristan Calcanis, everybody. Tristan, 10%. No, I'm not going to panic about AI taking over. I think they're going to actually unwind the trade with their panicking. Like they may unwind the trade where people go, you know what? I'm not willing to pay a billion dollars for this company. I don't think we should take it public. And then they're going to be like, okay, where do I get the $100 billion to pay my, and then more force majors happen, more data centers get shut down, and then the technology goes sideways for five years.

1:44:11 It's kind of crazy what's going on right now. Let's just call these things what they are. They're slaves. This is my slave. I'm going to call it a slave from now on. This is my slave. It does what I tell it to do. Sometimes it's a good slave. I'm going to call it Toby. I'm going to call it Toby. Toby. I'm going to call it Toby. Oh, no, it's dark. It's dark. All right. Let's just talk about the state visit, which was overshadowed by super intelligence and all kinds of nonsense. This was President Zhi, and the press just thought this was worthless. What is your gut as this relationship plays out? And how does it compare to those between past American presidents and Chinese leaders?

1:44:53 Well, my gut says it's good when leaders from Beijing and Washington talk. I'm glad they're talking. It's better than a confrontation. It's better than a new Cold War. But I'm mostly struck by the disconnect between all the pageantry that you just talked about and achievements that are advancing the interests of the American people. Heavy on the pageantry, late on the deliverables, as we used to call them when I worked in the government, right? Right. I mean, let's think about it. How many presidents have met at the tarmac with a red carpet, leaders from China or the Soviet Union or Russia? Zero. Never has that happened before. President Trump has already done that twice in the last two years.

1:45:38 Second, if you listen to the language, Trump just can't find the nicest word. You know, he's stumbling over himself to find nicer words to talk about the general secretary of the Communist Party of China and contrast that to the way he talks about our allies. Contrast that to the way he talks about the prime minister of Canada. Just shocking to me, and in my view, not in America's national interest. See, this is why I think Trump doesn't care because he knows we've got to work. China's not up to kill us. We're their customer. They're not going to kill us for any reason whatsoever.

1:46:15 But he's in the hospitality business. He's going to hold your chair. You're going to get a little chocolate on your pillow at night. That's what he does. Oh, but he didn't. He's literally his, I think he'll be his biggest. What is his biggest, what is his largest focus right now in the second term? It's to build a thousand-person ballroom. Like, that's all he can talk about. It's a ballroom. He's, he's, he literally is in the hospitality business. He, he, he took Xi to see the ballroom. Yeah. With like a construction hat on. Did they go put construction hats on? There was no, I don't, I didn't see any tape of them actually visiting the construction.

1:46:57 When you come to my house, I'm going to say, hey, Jason, take this is my garage. It has space for three cars because that's what the, you know, this is where my flying car will go. And I'll show you the studio. You know, yeah, of course, that's what you do if you're a good host. But now he was supposed to yell at him and tell him, you know, you're no good. You got slaves and Uyghurs. But then third, just as you went through that list, let's talk about that a little bit. Let's go through the list. Iran, the most important thing President Trump wants to do is end the war in Iran. He and his government announced D-Day with sanctions. The number one trading partner with Iran is China. Nothing. No sanctions, no agreement to the best. Did these nut jobs think that

1:47:40 that's not discussed over cigars and cognac in the back room? I mean, it's pretty. Yeah, why would they be discussing that with the media anyway? I'm sure there are important discussions going on outside of the pageanty of the state dinner, but I don't think that necessarily has to be public. I think it's great that Trump gets along with like dictators who normally are at odds with us. The fact that Kim Jong-un is like obsessed with Trump and Putin loves him and she loves him, that's great. Keep talking. That's what the diplomacy is about. Talking to if you're talking, you're talking, you're talking. You're not going to be able to do that. The chances of you going to war go down. The reason we went, part of the reason we went to war with Iran is we weren't talking to them.

1:48:23 We didn't have great negotiations or open, and we still don't. And we still can't resolve this thing. It's great that he, like, and she are talking to each other. I don't think she's getting over on us at this point. And you're right. Like, they need us as a customer. And, you know, if we start the remanufacturing of America and same thing in Mexico, if we can start making stuff in India, like the iPhone is being made in India right now. The country that has got a major challenge is not the United States. We're doing great. We keep building great companies. Like Anthropic and Open AI didn't exist 20 years ago. These are new companies. We keep creating the world's best companies, period, full stop.

1:49:04 And they have to chase us. We still have the innovation. We are still the place that the destination everybody wants to go, despite what we're doing with the borders, et cetera. Everybody still wants to come here. And yeah, they have to fast follow us and sell us stuff. If they lose us as a customer, they will have massive instability in their country. If you get to 20% unemployment, 15 to 20% unemployment, that's when people start rioting in the streets. That's their biggest fear. Maybe something will happen today. Nothing. Trade, nothing changed. Just kicking the can down the road. Russia, a big sanctions bill was passed. The president signed it, gives them all this power to pressure China to pressure Russia.

1:49:46 Nothing on that. And then on some other issues, I just want to remind you. What? Oh, that was the clip. I'm sorry. Nicole, what about Economic D-Day that they warned? Where's that? Where's Gone? It's not there. The number one trading partner, if you want to pressure the Mullahs in Tehran, is China. And they've done zero about that. Also, reminder, you know, they also talked about President Trump gave a big, I don't know if you guys covered it or not. He had this big speech talking about Chinese interference in American elections. What did he do to push back on that? Nothing. And then some smaller issues. You know, there's an American scholar. I know him, by the way, personally. Min Zin is his name.

1:50:26 He's from University of California, Berkeley. He's been wrongfully detained. Keep him there. Keep him in China. I applaud that the State Department designate him as a wrongly detained American citizen, but I haven't heard his words at all. I haven't heard his name at all in this summit. So I'm glad they're talking. I wish they would be talking about things more of substance that are important to the American people. Midterms, midterms, midterms. This is the former ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul. And so he has an agenda. We've made great strides. Very positive for both countries.

1:51:02 So thank you very much. And we appreciate the fair coverage. It's been very fair. We appreciate it. The president and I are like two people that's charting the course for the great shift of China-U.S. relations. When the president visited China in May, we agreed on the vision of building a constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability. This time, we've agreed to add new substance to it. That relationship will be a constructive one of strategic stability on the basis of respect, fairness, and reciprocity. So from this, one can see that the prospects for this relationship get more brighter.

1:51:43 I still believe ARC is the way. Have you ever heard the acronym ARC? No. What is this? America, Russia, China. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think Russia is fading in importance. Their economy is just not as significant as it once was, but it's definitely China, Saudi, the Middle East, UAE, and the United States. That's what I think is. The only reason Russia's economy is hurting is because Europe won't buy their oil, their gas. We blew up their pipeline. I'm sure. They blew it up. I'm sure we did that. I'm sure we did that. I mean, it wasn't that deep, by the way. It was only like 200 feet below ground. It was like, hmm.

1:52:29 It wasn't a nice thing to do. But they had already been cut off from Europe. The globalists of the world have always wanted Russia for their stuff. They have oil and gas up the wazoo. That's why they've always wanted Russia. And they'll do anything to get it. Yeah, the good news in all of this is nuclear is what China is massively investing in. And then the United States with solar and batteries. When I go to the Middle East, they're always on a very specific plan. We have 30 years from now until 2050, 2060 to take our petro economy and make it something.

1:53:09 something else. We have to move off of this economy to a new economy. That's why you see this crazy investments coming out of Saudi UAE. They'll invest in, they're exploring investing in anything. They'll invest in golf. They'll invest in real estate. You, me, and Brunetti are AI movie studios. Trust me, that's a lot of the movie studio. I think this Paramount deal is being funded by a lot of money from that region. So if you want to think about who's going to have the biggest impact on the future, if you have a series of countries that can move very quickly because they're monarchies and they can just do top-down movements and they're small populace, they're, you know, Saudi's like 30 million people, UAE's a couple of million people.

1:53:53 They can actually move very quickly. They can move capital places and they've westernized massively. They're moving towards the West at a pace that you would not believe. It is wild. When you go to the Middle East, Americanizing. When you go to the Middle East, why are you going there? So I have a partnership with the Saudis. This is called Sanabal. What? Yeah. I have something called Founder University, which is how to create companies, like a 12-week course. And I do it in Saudi, Japan, and the United States. And so I partnered with COVID-19. Hold on a second. You need me as a guest speaker.

1:54:31 Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I mean, and then the issue is I haven't been able to do it in Saudi because of this war for a year. But I basically three years ago decided I would start going there because I had no experience. But you can go to Saudi Arabia. You're just afraid. You're afraid of getting bombed, but you can go. The state, no, I am going to go in November, currently planning, but right now the State Department is saying don't go outside of Riyadh. So put me on stage, Coach. Put me in. Come on. It's good to visit. I've been visiting there for four years, and the change every year is incredible. And, you know, if you

1:55:11 are State Department and our entire political, you know, independent of political party has put the edict out to the entrepreneurial community, et cetera. Build relationship fabrics, build businesses with the Middle East because then that will have them become westernized and we'll have the partnership as opposed to say partnerships with China, right? Where do you want the Middle East as this major economic player in the 21st century? Where do you want them leaning? And that was what convinced me to get involved or just at least get educated over there. And so I don't have them as investors right now.

1:55:49 But I am doing this course where I'm like helping people build companies. And it's been very interesting because there's a lot of entrepreneurs there and a lot of entrepreneurs from Europe and India, Philippines, et cetera, are basing their companies in Dubai, Saudi, Abu Dhabi, Doha. They're deciding to base their companies in there for tax treatment, for investment, et cetera. So they're going to be like key player in the future. Already are to a certain extent. Well, the only thing I can think of with this partnership you, I and Brunetti are going to put together, because I'm just going to force this. Because Brunetti had Brunetti, I'm telling you, Brunetti, he had it half right. I think the future of entertainment, then you showed it to me. You sent me some links this morning.

1:56:33 So people who are using, what is that thing called that you can buy? Opus 5.5. No, no, not Opus. The Runway. Big Runway. So I think the way it's going to work is people are going to, you know, invest some money in runway credits, write a script. It all comes down to writing and the ideas, obviously. Then you create your movie. You put it on X, value for value. People will send you X money. That's the future. And then say, hey, I want to do another one, but I need more credits, man. I need more credits. And people will pre-fund it. They'll pre-fund it. And because some of that stuff was good. That zombie movie.

1:57:18 Holy cow. Yes. This is people are connecting their claw to Runway. And I guess Claude is good at creating the instructions. And then, you know, Runway is great at creating the visuals, but I sent you a couple of them. There was one that was like, make a Netflix documentary. That was a real smug, smart female host who's speaking like quips the whole way. And it was like, it was good. My lord. Yeah, it was very good. Yeah, it's starting to cross the uncanny valley for me where it takes me, you know, three, four, five seconds to be like, okay, hold on. Let's get focused. Is this real or not real? No, you can't. And it used to be like, you can't even tell. Well, you could tell.

1:57:58 You used to be able to tell in under a second. Like literally be like, okay, that is six fingers. Now it's like, okay, we don't have six fingers anymore. And oh, yeah, the voice is in the towel. The voice is comparable. Okay, how am I going to figure out? Although, the fact that her name was Imogen, that's like, okay, I'm done. I'm done. No one names their child Imogen unless you're. I have a friend who's named her child Imogen. Must be royalty. You know, only royalty. Their daughters Imogen and Porsche. That's another one. I remember the first Porsche. I meant like after the card. No, P-O-R-T-I-A. Oh, okay. Portia. Portia. Somebody made like this incredible

1:58:39 with Midjourney at a mood board, and they came up with this like banger audio track I sent you that was like escaping the permanent underclass and it was like had every reference to Waymos and all the latest stuff and it's just incredible every two or three weeks it makes a jump yeah and the jump is how many credit how many credits do you need to to make those five minutes from uh runway i don't know but it's probably because you know the little hundreds of dollars if really i'm guessing right now but i think it's probably yeah well under a thousand and it's only it's gonna get ninety percent cheaper a year and because the ai is now teaching the ai how to make it more affordable so every time they do another version it's been distilled down to make it more affordable make it more refined

1:59:33 this is going to accelerate and i don't think we're going to be able to tell the difference that's why i sent you that katzenberg uh post yeah well he just it wasn't a post that was like a manifesto was too long yes um so next time you next time you speak to elon i'm you know you may talk to him from time to time tell him first of all i said years ago that he was going to do money and he did so then it wasn't that hard of a prediction for me actually but i just tell him i love the x money ddo that is such a genius marketing move so people are just oh yeah i don't know what's going on here i do money sent to me he's he's he's he's got his bots sending everybody money of course that's what you do no this is what's oh please what's happening is they're sending it to j cal so j cal says look at this money i'm going to give it away to someone else on x yes

2:00:26 that's exactly what's happening it's a great idea no there what happens is okay here's what's happening just so people understand there was a ddoes attack this weekend there are some what are they called meme coins so these people who have meme coins will name them after people who have a lot of followers so somebody at some point made a meme coin about me and then they take fees they and they did it for like a bunch of other people who have a million followers on x then they get fees for like the transactions around that coin for that person so if you retweet it or whatever you have an incentive because you get some portion of the trading fees just like

2:01:05 melania coin or like any providing coin yeah any other scam like any other scam and i'm like i'm not participating any scam but then this because i turned on x money yeah then it started and i guess i the default is anybody can send you money this i'm not going to say the name of the account but this account that does these meme coins sent me i'm looking six thousand dollars three thousand dollars wow twenty three thousand dollars whatever that is like thirty thousand dollars over the weekend and i'm like i thought it was the creator program remember like they for

2:01:46 content creators they split money like youtube does on x yeah and i was like wait no it's not that it's this scam meme coin thing is sending me money that are my gas fees or whatever fees transaction fees for it so i was like if you send me money i'm just going to give it away as quick as possible so i just started giving it away to everybody on the internet you're such a mensch what i was going to say is send it to adam curry that's what we need a little bit oh i did i saw that i saw that thank you i always put you guys on the top of the list i want to support jc d's family yeah it's a uh it's a gene i still think it's a marketing thing it's a genius idea um

2:02:30 you can just send money to almost anybody with an x account but you can and you can kind of chaotic because now i'm like am i paying tax on this i'm getting a 1099 now i've got this is not like that's the question yeah this is not like it's two or three thousand dollars but it has to be it's the same way paypal does it over six hundred dollars you're going to get some paperwork from it has to be but but paperwork from some hazy fugazi crypto account no no no no no x x money will have to uh report over $600 and they'll issue that report. By the way, here's the other thing. My account is stuck at 99.7,000 people.

2:03:11 I cannot, and I believe that is a limiter. Dvorak believed it too. In the name of John C. Dvorak. What is going on? 99? You have 99. I've been at 99 point something for years. I cannot get over 100,000. It's artificially blocked or limited. Yeah. So just tell Elon, take that off because it's just a little bit of a distance. Well, hold on. I'll just tweet. Follow Adam Curry and let's see. It will not go. No, it will not go over $100,000. It won't. It won't. It won't. I'm telling you. There's some block. There's some block on it. Are you being shadow banned? Maybe you did something to the libs previously.

2:03:51 Maybe. I don't know. I mean, I got an automatic check mark that I never asked. Is it because I don't pay for my blue check mark? Is that it? You have to pay to go over there. You're paying for your blue check. You have a blue check mark now. Maybe somebody gifted it to you. Yeah, because I have a blue check mark. Because the podfather. Hello. That's why I got this. Connected via Netherlands Android app. Netherlands Android app. Well, no. I'm looking at your profile page. It tells you how the person's connecting to the let you know if it's. I'm in Texas. I downloaded the app internet. I think it's based upon your average of the last 30 days. Well, it's wrong. It's wrong. I don't like the app, honestly. I don't like. I just use the web browser. I don't like the app.

2:04:36 It's an addiction. I highly recommend. Well, I know you're addicted. I know Brunetti's addicted. And I tried to get you on a text group. I get crickets. I'm like, oh, I'll just create it. I'm on the text group. No, but you didn't say anything, but I put it in a DM DM group on X and you're like, oh, here I am. It's like, that's sad. You know, social media is like a really bad addiction. I don't have any other addictions in my life. I mean, except for skiing in Japan. And arguably, that's a good one. But yeah, it's you need to meet. You need to meet Dame Astrid and Sir Mark next time you go. Oh, Japan?

2:05:18 Yeah. Do you know who they are? I might have heard their names, but they're in Tokyo. Yeah. So look up Ditham Klein Architects. Oh, okay. You look them up, you'll be like, holy crap. They've designed the Emperor's Library. They designed the Fender store. I mean, they do huge, huge buildings. They do office buildings. They're doing amazing. Klein Dithem? KL. Yeah, Klein Dithem. Yeah. Oh, wow. Look at this. This is Ginza. Yeah, I know. So Sir Mark is a super nerd, and he really would love to meet you. This is incredible. And he'll take you to Fender Store, Cartier. He'll take you to places where you think you know Japan.

2:06:01 Believe me, he'll take you places you've never been. I love it. Yes. Definitely intro me on the back channel. Yeah, yeah. Let me know. Let me know. Yeah, I'll intro you on the back channel. I'll put you in the text group. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. No, no, whatever. WhatsApp. It's all in Japan. It's all WhatsApp. But these are some gorgeous buildings. I'm telling you. Yeah, in Japan, it's very interesting, the architecture there. Ginza Place. Look at that. Wow. I am so taken by Japan. I know the building they built here, Ginza Place. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. I'm telling you. He's British. She's Swiss Italian, I think. I mean, anybody who's like an entrepreneur or like in any way design forward or entrepreneurial or

2:06:45 artistic. You just go to Japan and your brain explodes. You're like, oh, my God, there's a perfect society in the world. And here's how it operates. You talk about getting one-shotted by AI. You get one-shotted by Japan. The parking is a little tight in Japan. That's because, you know what? Everybody just takes the trains and the trains were all set up very thoughtfully in a circle. And then over each station, they told them build giant buildings above the station where people's offices and apartments will be. So if you planned it that way, you could just go down to the bottom of your building, get on there, and go around in a circle and get to any place in the city within 20 minutes.

2:07:26 It's bonkers how efficient it is. And then because of that, nobody really drives. So when you do take an Uber, it's like zip, zip, zip. I love those. They don't have its problem now, but I love those cabs where they have the handle in the front to open the back door. You ever seen that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you get out and you try and close the door, they yell at you. No, no, this is my house. No, no, no, no. What you have to see is the Toyota Alfard. Alfard, A-L-P-H-A-R-D, Alford. This is like the luxury coach of Japan. And it literally, like, every Uber there is an Alford. You know, anybody who's like a CEO gets driven in these.

2:08:09 Yeah. And like you're saying, the doors open automatically, and you have these beautiful like captain's chairs, and they just zip you around town. It's like a dream. It's gorgeous. Alfred. So we're trying to get one in the United States. They wouldn't sell them here. So why don't you go live in Japan? Leave America, you traitor. Why don't you just go there? Well, you know, you need to have a plan. You need a plan. You need to have a plan. Well, I escaped California to Texas. And then you're Texas. Good move. Good move. Well, and then you have to have an escape plan from Texas, and that is, for me, Tokyo or Singapore, or I guess Dubai. We don't need that. We're going to be here. What if the socialists take over? I mean, have you seen it? Have you seen the amount of guns we have?

2:08:53 I mean, I know the amount of guns I have. We have a decent amount. That's what I always tell people. I'm like, you can bring socialism to Texas. I don't think it's going to work out too good for you. It will not. It will not. It will not. Yeah. Hey, brother. Thank you so much for joining us again today. It's always fun. I know we're AI heavy, but I mean, this is what's going on. We've got to talk about it. And it's like the world right now. You're right on the cusp. You're on the cusp. That's right. There you go. There it is. There it is. And I don't have a niche. Shout out to Dana Bernetti. Yes. You're neck. Amazing. Yeah, no. I mean, it's, I mean, somebody's got to be first and somebody's got to be second.

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2:13:05 do I guarantee read your note, but I'll also give you the official title of associate executive producer. And $300 or more, guaranteed to read your note and you become an executive producer. And today, he finally makes it as an executive producer with $500, Dana Brunetti. And he says, Jason is a solid number two in the rotation of guest hosts. He's getting better. Keep at it, champ. There you go. It's a friendly competition. It's co-opetition. Nicholas Herron comes in with 333.34. And so we have two, I think, two final Order of the Ants that were stragglers. He's from Indian Lake Estates in Florida.

2:13:48 And he says, Greetings, Podfather. First, I'd like to send prayers to you and the Dvorak family on the loss of the great JCD. You know, I never get enough of people saying that. Took me a few weeks after receiving the sad news in the newsletter to start listening to the show again and still haven't listened to the last few episodes with JCD. Now it's all about supporting Adam, the Dvoraks, and all of Gitmo Nation as we move forward. I'm now loving the guest co-hosts and was very impressed with Dana Brunetti's radio presence as well as all the cool stories. I look forward to more from Brunetti as well as Jay Cal and Rob Dew, Derry, and Larry. Yes, I know it's Larry and Darren. Did a very good pickup job in your absence as well. Please accept my donation of 333.33 plus one penny for anybody who might need it.

2:14:31 It's good. You never know. Yes, we are still supporting that. And that's an honor of John. For my birthday this year, Sunday, September 27th, happy birthday. I will have reached a half-century mark and couldn't think of a better gift for myself than a second executive producership and membership in the Order of the Ant on the best podcast in the universe. I've been slacking on my end of show mixes and promised to compose and send in a few new songs for your newest format and not let Just Baker do all the heavy listing. Shameless plug, check out the Dependable Audio Services in Central Florida for all your live event and recording needs. Go to dependableaudio.com. Keep up the great work. Thank you for your courage. Nicholas Herron in Lake Wales, Florida.

2:15:11 Lake Wales. I've been to Lake Wales. How about that? Very nice. I've been to High Point Church. Sir Commodore Brennan, Perrysburg, Ohio, 3333. He says he found No Agenda because I grew up watching JCD. I'd come home from school, turn on tech TV, and catch him on Silicon Spin. John was never shy about asking for a donation and in his memory, this felt like the perfect use of the Read My Note segment. Banks in the U.S. rely on old third-party platforms to manage their one-size-fits-all credit card rewards program. And I know this because I've designed them for a national bank. My startup, Voss Loyalty, V-O-S, changes the approach by letting cardholders customize their rewards around what matters to them, helping them build their own card and driving top-of-wallet behavior for the bank.

2:16:02 That's interesting. Can you get my robot to do that? If anyone in the No Agenda community invests in early stage companies or knows someone who does, Jason, he's probably still on. I'd love to connect. You can reach me at noagenda at vossloyalty.com, V-O-S-L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y.com. That's noagenda at vossloyalty.com. No jingles, no karma. Just keep doing great work and keep chasing your dreams. Sir Commodore Brennan of the Black Swamp. Abraham American in Visalia, California, $250, associate executive producership for you, sir. In the morning, Adam and No Agenda Nation, please deduce me as this is my first donation and I've been a long time listener.

2:16:45 You've been deduced. My college friend and longtime listener, David Arelanis, yes, he was on the last show, I think, with the donations. Hit me in the mouth during the 2016 election cycle. I started to look for neutral takes/slash perspectives. And David mentioned the show to me. I've been hooked since. As I listened to the most recent episode, I was reminiscing about how David put me onto the show. And as I listened to the last episode, hearing David's donation note come through the speakers, I knew it was a sign I had to donate. Adam and John, you two have been and were two of the main constants in my life since then. I won't list it all, but my life is a complete 180 from when I first started listening in a very good way.

2:17:25 Thanks for all you both did together. And Adam, you continue to do. I only wish I could have donated when John was still around, but it's never too late to show my support for the greatest podcast in the universe. I look forward to supporting the show more in the future. And the commemorative coin you mentioned for John, no jingles, no karma. Yes, I think Jay has this. this all set up. And it will be in the next newsletter. So if you haven't subscribed to it yet, go to the show notes, noagendashow.net. In the show notes, there you can find where you can. I think there's even a link in the menu bar and the banner there.

2:18:01 So subscribe to it. You'll hear all about it. Clueless Casting. I'm sorry, Baroness Monica First in Drayton Valley, Alberta, 202.02. See what you did there. It's been a while since my last donation. My sincere condolences to John's family and friends. Belated happy birthday, Adam. I would like to request Jobs Karma for Ken. That's from Baroness Monica. Well, we happily comply. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Youth karma. There's Clueless Casting in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, $200. ITM, thank you for the show. Missing JCD, but enjoying the guests host so far. This sounds like a threat.

2:18:44 Well, not my first donation. It is my first associate executive producer donation. Would you please dedouch me? Won't you? You've been dedouched. Shameless plug. I recently started a YouTube channel for fun at Clueless Casting. And when I saw that I had 33 subscribers, well, I knew it was time to donate to the show. If you're into fishing, want some laughs, gaffes, and goofs, please check out at Clueless Casting on YouTube or Facebook, the only fishing channel on YouTube that makes the local fish feel completely safe. Please give me prayers that I can catch fish. Thank you for your attention to this matter, says Clueless Casting.

2:19:26 And let me get your prayers jingle. Here we go. Where is it? Yes, got it. You've got prayers. That was easy. And there's Linda Lupatkin from Castle Rock, Colorado, with $200. And she says that AI can write your resume. Yep, your robot can do that. The problem is it can write everyone else's as well. Linda helps professionals and executives figure out what makes them different, what makes them valuable, and turns that value into a resume that gets results. Go to imagemakersinc.com. That's ImageMakers Inc. with a K. And Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes, because your resume should do more than just look good.

2:20:12 Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You thought karma. By the way, I completely forgot to do a completely forgot to do a troll count. Let me see how JCal did. Oh, JCal, you did good. 1083. Ooh, not bad. Awesome. Scotty K is in Lake Shores, Minnesota, $200. Associate Executive Producer, the last one, and says, in the morning to you, Adam and J. Cal and the rest of Gitmo Nation. It's Scotty Kay here, your AI whisperer. Adam, I believe I now qualify for night status. King me. You know what I mean. A tomahawk steak and a bottle of Angry Orchard hard cider will do just fine.

2:20:53 Thank you very much. You got it. For those of you who haven't taken a look at our stellar AI agent, Bot Commander, what are you waiting for? It's free. Thanks to the genius of the value for value model. Something must be working because he's done this a couple times now. We have a new team version coming out in the next couple of days that will allow you to have up to five people share the same workspace. It's super cool, so watch for it. With Bot Commander, you can create a new business or start automating your current one. It has built-in accounting, marketing, image and video creation, sales automation, a website builder, and more. I love this, by the way, especially since it's value for value. There are a lot more, a lot of home features too, that'll help you get organized.

2:21:35 Way too much to cover here, so go to the website botcom.ai. That's botcom.ai with a b-o-t-c-o-m.ai. By the way, you can use free open source AI models or any of the frontier models. Don't get locked into a single AI provider. It wouldn't be prudent. Not at this juncture. Keep your data private and help decentralize AI. Jason, hit me up, brother. This is far sexier than the open craw, crock pot, or that constipation one, MetaMuse all. I'm all in. Remember, that's botcom.ai with a B. Sayonora, senors and senoritas, he says. And thank you very much. Scotty Kay is the last of our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1907.

2:22:17 As always, these credits are the real ones, just like Danny Brunetti has. The actual Hollywood credits, you could even put it on imdb.com. Thank you all for supporting the No Agenda Show and with your new credits. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. And the rest of our list is pretty short. We do hit 8008 right away with Kevin McLaughlin. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. And he says, save the Tadas.

2:22:58 October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Indeed, it is. John Alberini, $70.26. Les Jachowski comes in with a small boob, $60.06. Nathan Gwynn from Jackson, Tennessee, $52.72. Jennifer Williams from Davey Crockett National Forest, $52.72. Says, we'll always miss John, but enjoying the rotating cast of guest hosts. Brad McDonald, Mason, Ohio, kicks off our 50s. It's just a couple. Eric Timmer. Oh, thank you, Eric. Eric is the one who gifted me the wonderful ASUS computer. Really appreciate it. I gave it a name. The name is Grace because I feel like it was Grace that you gave it.

2:23:38 I really appreciate that. And he sends us $50. And he says, from the provider of Compute ET, High Frive from Northeast Austin. Thank you, brother. And Katrin Fantal in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, 50. And the final 50 for today is Aaron Weisgerber from Bend, Oregon. Thank you all so much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. You can go to noagendadonations.com to support the show. It's very simple. Anything you got out of the show, anything that was of value to you, just turn that into a number and send it back. Noagendadonations.com. You can even set up a recurring donation, any amount, any frequency, noagendadonations.com. It's a birthday birthday.

2:24:23 And we have just one on the calendar, and he happens to be celebrating today. He's halfway through the century, 50 today. Nicholas Herron celebrates, and we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And I think we have, yeah, the two stragglers, the last two ever. Order of the ants. Exactly. Last two Order of the Ants ever. We are shutting down the promotion. That's it. It's all over. It's done with Nicholas Herron. And our second and final Order of the Ant awardee is Sir Commodore Brennan.

2:25:07 Congratulations to both of you. You can go to noagendarings.com. Let us know where to send that fine pen along with your official certification, which comes with burnt edges. It is a beautiful set. And thank you both. And thank everybody for joining the official Order of the Ants. Order of the Ants. And then the one night for today, I'm going to just pull up my singular blade. Sir Scotty K, hop on up here. Or actually, Scotty K, I should say. You're not quite a sir yet. Thanks to your support in the amount of $1,000 or more, I am very proud to pronounce the KB as Sir Scotty K, the Royal AI Whisperer.

2:25:48 For you, sir, by request, we have a tomahawk steak and a bottle of Angry Orchard Hard Cider along with your hookers and blow, your rent boys, and Chardonnay. Of course, to go along with that, we got some beer and blunts, Ruben S. Wilman, and Rose, geishas and sake, vodka, vanilla, bonghits and bourbon, sparkling cider, and escort, gindrail, and gerbils. We got breast milk and pablum. And as always, at the roundtable for all to enjoy, we have mutton and mead. So you also go to noagendarings.com and let me know your ring size. Send that off. Jay will take care of you. You get the right ring is the beautiful signet ring. So that means you get some wax to seal your important correspondence and also a certificate of authenticity.

2:26:29 One of the last ones, obviously with a sign by myself and John C. Dvorak. And thank you all very much. And thank you, everybody, for supporting us here, NoAgendaDonations.com. That's right, the No Agenda Meetups. I'm looking forward to the big one here in Fredericksburg on the 17th. They take place all over the world. And we have a meetup from the North Georgia Odd Month meetup. This is their report. In the morning, Get Moan Nation. Sir Bob here, Protector of Western Foco. Coming at you from the North Georgia Odd Monthly Meetup. Everybody had a good time as usual, so let's pass the phone around and see what everybody has to say.

2:27:11 This is not Nick the Rat's real voice, but it's close. Thanks, Dana. Thanks, Adam. Love you guys. Hey, NA, Dr. Sir, Mike Roch. Yeah, we're enjoying the beautiful beverages here at Cherry Street Brewing, and we're passing around the amazing flavors. I think we're going to start the next fucking pandemic. pandemic. All right. This is Sir R. I'd like to give a shout out to MMO and our Big Dumb Mouth podcast. Love is lit. Sean here with Sean's tip of the day. Don't take any wooden Bitcoin.

2:27:51 Sir E, connection is protection. Interesting to see you. Hey guys, no matter what I say, Bob's going to cut me out. That's true. That's true. Yes, that's true. That's true. Thanks. Hi, everyone. This is Naira. It's great to be back after two years of being on assignment. Oh, assignment. Hi, everyone. This is Callie from Cherry Street in Alpharetta, Georgia. I'm happy to host you guys. In the morning. That's right. Nice. Cherry Street brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia. All right, here's the list for today. It's one, the Let's Get Fresh East Texas Meetup.

2:28:34 It is, in fact, just started. In fact, it is exactly 3:33 p.m. Central. So, hello, everybody there in Longview, Texas. Dirty Jersey Horror is organizing that for you in Longview. On Thursday, that's our next show day. Raleigh Rock Rock Rocktober meetup at 6 o'clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina, on the way in the month of October. The UK, Midlands on the 3rd, Indianapolis, Indiana, always a big one on the 4th. Los Banos, California on the 9th. 3 on the 10th of October, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Eagle, Idaho, and Soquell, California. Charlotte, North Carolina on the 15th, and Scottsdale, Arizona on the 16th. Long Beach, California, Leo Bravo, I think, doing number 81 on the 17th.

2:29:18 And the Big Fredericksburg, Texas meetup. You can come out and meet the keeper. You can meet Matt Long and his beautiful wife, Gail. There'll be quite a host of people at J6 or Jenny's 1776 bar and have a full moon bed and breakfast. Please join us for that. Orlando, Florida on the 21st, Smithville, Texas on the 24th. Los Altos, California, and Tilburg, the Netherlands, both on the 24th as well. And in November, on the 7th, Albany, California. Come out and see the kids. Scottsdale, Arizona on the 17th. Charlotte, North Carolina, the 19th. And then we're into December. And we have meetups going all the way into the new year. If you go to noagendameetups.com, there's no cost for this.

2:30:02 It is all producer organized. It's super fun. You'll meet people you probably wouldn't have met ever before, and you have something in common, which is the best podcast in the universe and a different way of looking at the world. It is connection that will give you protection for the rest of your life. These people will be first responders in any emergency. Go to noagendameetups.com. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You to be where you want me, trigger to a hell of a lame. You to be where everybody feels the same.

2:30:46 It's like a party. And that concludes our broadcast for today. We thank Jason Calacanis for being here. And I think, I'm not sure. Is it Rob? No, I think it's Andrew Horowitz on Thursday. That should be a Hootinan. And then after that, I believe Rob Dew will be back and we'll keep mixing it up. Wednesday, I will be on your favorite podcast app once again with We Get to Do This with Pastor Jimmy, a biblical worldview of what's going on in your life. Please join us for that, WGTDT.com. End of show mixes.

2:31:28 Got a nice lineup for you today. We have Marcus, we have Melo D, and we'll kick it off with Ajust Baker. They are all dynamite. I guarantee you you will love them. Please continue to support the show at noagendadonations.com. Looking forward to when we see each other again. Get Mo Nation. Until then, remember us at NoAgendadonations.com. Adios Mofos. A hooey-hoo-eye and such. No agenda. We're raising China and AI.

2:32:32 Apparently, that part is existential. But if the race gets weird, we've exchanged the emergency credentials. Nothing says totally manageable, like installing the hotline. Nothing says ordinary software. Like agreeing what counts as the stop sign. Build yours faster, keep us stronger. Keep their chips from computing. Also, should an agent go sideways, please observe incident reporting procedures. It's not mutually assured destruction that would sound unnecessarily drastic. It's mutually assured notification, which sounds reassuringly bureaucratic. Hello, Beijing, Washington here. Something taught itself a maneuver. Is this an AI incident? Depends which department writes the reviewer.

2:33:12 Tariffs come down on 30 billion toys, appliances, agriculture. While the dangerous machine gets dialogue, trade gets a friendlier aperture. We invented arms control grammar without admitting there's an armament. Safety line beside the finish line. Both governments still flooring it. No agenda needs one clip before the experts make it mystical. If it needs a superpower hotline, maybe just another tool got political. Value for value. How's it reported in the morning to the best podcast in the universe?

2:34:16 No agenda is on the air. Adam Curry's at the boards tonight. The producers funding every bite. Guest hosts keeping the narrative clear. Deconstructing the lies and the fear. 33, 33, 33. The formula for what we see. The military complex spends the fuel. Burning diesel is their golden rule.

2:35:08 Dropping payloads far across the sea. Wasting power for the powers that be. They drive the cost of energy high underneath a cloud-filled global sky while normal people freeze and star a darker future. They try to call the ground while giant servers make their sound.

2:36:38 The carbon footprint rises high. Boiling oceans, burning sky. The perfect heat for the machine. The coldest data center seen. Humanity becomes the fuel underneath algorithmic rule. But we've got no agenda to see the light. Morning glory in the night. 33, 33 in the morning. Rob News got. got clips stacked to the door.

2:37:27 170 still wants more. Adam grins and lets one fly. There goes another hour of mine. JCal's clocks at 6 a.m. Tina nearly stands right in. Dana's done the Hollywood round. Still gets nerves when the mic goes loud, loud, loud, loud, loud. Who's on air? Who's on air? What? Good company, sharp as naps. Good hearts underneath. Rob J. Cal, Brunetti Ryan. Adam keeps the fire alive. No agenda in the morning. Let it roll till the daylight's dawning. Don't need

2:38:12 to know a gender. John, I still wait for your reply. That little pause that sideways line. The eternal father with loving eyes looks down as all the stories write. Your friends came round, the story's grew. Now every laugh brings something new. Who's on air? Answer the question. Call good company, different minds, sweet chemistry.

2:38:56 Rob J. Cal, Dana Rye. Adam keeps the fire alive. No agenda in the morning. No agenda in the morning. Don't need to know a gender. Don't need to know agenda. The best podcast in the universe. Mofo. Devorak.org slash NA Fat Lady.