# Trade Secrets on The No Agenda Show Trade Secrets comes up in 12 chapters across 11 episodes of The No Agenda Show, from September 2010 to July 2026. - **Chapters:** 12 - **Episodes:** 11 - **Discussed:** September 2010 – July 2026 - **Related topics:** [Huawei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huawei.md), [Meng Wanzhou](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meng-wanzhou.md), [Openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [Saudi Arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [World Trade Center](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-trade-center.md), [5g](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/5g.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), [Agi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agi.md), [Anonymous](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anonymous.md), [Apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md) ## Chapters 1–12 of 12 ### Apple Lawsuit Against OpenAI, Trade Secret Theft - **Episode:** [1885: Adult Day Care](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1885-adult-day-care.md) - **Published:** 2026-07-12 - **Time:** 1:05:22–1:10:09 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1885-adult-day-care/chapter/apple-lawsuit-against-openai-trade-secret-theft.md Apple filed a 41-page federal lawsuit against OpenAI, accusing the startup of stealing trade secrets to build consumer hardware. The suit specifically names former Apple executive Tang Tan, alleging he used job interviews to solicit confidential information about unreleased products. The rift between the companies has deepened as OpenAI collaborates with former Apple design chief Jony Ive on generative AI hardware. Keywords: [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), tang tan, [jony ive](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jony-ive.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md), [hardware](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hardware.md) ### Justice Sotomayor Confusion, App Tracking and Sealed Evidence - **Episode:** [1731: Cyber Timebombs](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1731-cyber-timebombs.md) - **Published:** 2025-01-19 - **Time:** 1:04:50–1:09:05 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1731-cyber-timebombs/chapter/justice-sotomayor-confusion-app-tracking-and-sealed-evidence.md Justice Sotomayor faced criticism for her lack of technical sophistication during the hearing, specifically regarding the difference between websites and mobile applications. The discussion touched on keystroke logging and contact list access, features common to many US-based apps using tools like Firebase and Mixpanel. Much of the specific evidence regarding ByteDance's data collection remains sealed as trade secrets, complicating public analysis of the threat. Keywords: sotomayor, keystroke logging, [user data](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/user-data.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md), firebase ### Skepticism Toward Artificial General Intelligence Hype - **Episode:** [1718: On The Fritz](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1718-on-the-fritz.md) - **Published:** 2024-12-05 - **Time:** 2:43:50–2:47:01 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1718-on-the-fritz/chapter/skepticism-toward-artificial-general-intelligence-hype.md Critics of the AI industry question why companies like OpenAI would sell "infinite intelligence" tools if they were truly capable of building anything. If a super-AI could generate perfect code and create any product, the most logical business move would be to keep the technology secret and dominate every industry internally. The fact that these tools are being sold as consumer products suggests that the current capabilities are significantly overhyped. Keywords: [agi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agi.md), [sam altman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sam-altman.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [coding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/coding.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md) ### Trade Secrets, Industrial Testing and Taiwan Molding - **Episode:** [1309: Vaxsaline](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1309-vaxsaline.md) - **Published:** 2024-03-07 - **Time:** 1:37:05–1:41:21 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1309-vaxsaline/chapter/trade-secrets-industrial-testing-and-taiwan-molding.md The discussion differentiates between patents and trade secrets, emphasizing that trade secrets are often more valuable because they are not public. One host shares an anecdote from his time at Union Oil, where a secret test for lead in gasoline gave the company a competitive edge. Other examples include Russian tungsten welding and Taiwanese injection molding techniques that remain impossible for others to duplicate. Keywords: [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md), [union oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/union-oil.md), [soviet union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soviet-union.md), [tungsten](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tungsten.md), [taiwan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taiwan.md), injection molding ### No Agenda Donation Rules, Note Reading Policies - **Episode:** [1309: Vaxsaline](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1309-vaxsaline.md) - **Published:** 2024-03-07 - **Time:** 2:10:02–2:13:53 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1309-vaxsaline/chapter/no-agenda-donation-rules-note-reading-policies.md The hosts reiterate the show's donation policies for new listeners, explaining that only notes accompanying donations of $200 or more are read on air. This policy was established to prevent the show from being overwhelmed by long notes from smaller donations. They discuss the history of "numerology" in donations, where listeners use specific numbers to signal birthdays or other significant dates. Keywords: donation policy, [international law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/international-law.md), [anonymous](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anonymous.md), [numerology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/numerology.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md) ### Thousand Talents Program, Theft of Petroleum Trade Secrets - **Episode:** [1258: Dummy Placebo](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1258-dummy-placebo.md) - **Published:** 2020-07-12 - **Time:** 1:55:09–1:58:52 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1258-dummy-placebo/chapter/thousand-talents-program-theft-of-petroleum-trade-secrets.md The FBI highlighted cases of economic espionage linked to China's "Thousand Talents" recruitment program, including scientist Hong Jintan, who stole $1 billion in trade secrets from an Oklahoma petroleum company. Another case involved the theft of naval technology used in submarines. Wray noted that Chinese state-owned enterprises often patent stolen American technology and then attempt to sell it back to the victimized companies. Keywords: thousand talents, [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md), [oklahoma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oklahoma.md), [petroleum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/petroleum.md), naval technology, [huawei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huawei.md), [cisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cisco.md) ### Meng Wanzhou Extradition, Huawei Executive Fraud Charges - **Episode:** [1117: Composting People](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1117-composting-people.md) - **Published:** 2019-03-03 - **Time:** 2:23:06–2:24:31 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1117-composting-people/chapter/meng-wanzhou-extradition-huawei-executive-fraud-charges.md The Canadian government has formally approved extradition hearings for Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou. Meng faces fraud charges in the United States related to violating sanctions on Iran and stealing trade secrets. The case is widely viewed as a significant bargaining chip in the ongoing 5G technology and trade disputes between the U.S. and China. Keywords: [meng wanzhou](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meng-wanzhou.md), [huawei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huawei.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [extradition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/extradition.md), [5g](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/5g.md), [iran sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran-sanctions.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md) ### Huawei Indictments, US-China Tech War - **Episode:** [1108: Sarcasm](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1108-sarcasm.md) - **Published:** 2019-02-01 - **Time:** 2:35:10–2:39:46 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1108-sarcasm/chapter/huawei-indictments-us-china-tech-war.md The U.S. Justice Department files nearly two dozen charges against Chinese tech giant Huawei and its CFO, Meng Wanzhou. The indictments allege that Huawei stole trade secrets from T-Mobile—specifically regarding a testing robot named "Tappy"—and violated sanctions against Iran. The hosts frame this as a "5G war" where the U.S. is attempting to block Chinese dominance in global telecommunications infrastructure. Keywords: [huawei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huawei.md), [t-mobile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/t-mobile.md), [meng wanzhou](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meng-wanzhou.md), [justice department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justice-department.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md) ### Donald Trump on Iraq War and 9/11 Secret Papers - **Episode:** [800: Toilet Wars](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/800-toilet-wars.md) - **Published:** 2016-02-21 - **Time:** 37:21–38:53 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/800-toilet-wars/chapter/donald-trump-on-iraq-war-and-9-11-secret-papers.md Donald Trump challenged the standard Republican narrative by stating that Iraq did not knock down the World Trade Center. He suggested that secret government papers might reveal the involvement of the Saudis in the September 11 attacks. The hosts discuss how Trump is breaking political taboos regarding the Bush administration's record. Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [iraq war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq-war.md), [world trade center](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-trade-center.md), [saudi arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), secret documents ### World Trade Organization, Digital Trade Objectives, Congressional Oversight - **Episode:** [582: Eradicate Misery](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/582-eradicate-misery.md) - **Published:** 2014-01-15 - **Time:** 37:59–43:56 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/582-eradicate-misery/chapter/world-trade-organization-digital-trade-objectives-congressional-oversight.md The TPA 2014 framework involves 159 World Trade Organization members and seeks to establish new standards for digital trade, including protections for cross-border data flows and trade secrets. Despite claims of secrecy, the bill stipulates that every member of Congress has access to the negotiating texts and can be designated as a congressional advisor. The agreement focuses on opening markets to US petroleum products while addressing currency manipulation and cyber theft. Keywords: [wto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wto.md), digital trade, [intellectual property](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intellectual-property.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md) ### Cyber Security Statistics, Iran and Economic Loss Claims - **Episode:** [548: Mournful Mortician](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/548-mournful-mortician.md) - **Published:** 2013-09-15 - **Time:** 39:01–43:30 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/548-mournful-mortician/chapter/cyber-security-statistics-iran-and-economic-loss-claims.md Dutch Ruppersberger cites media reports alleging Iran attacked Saudi Aramco and claims Russia used cyber attacks against Georgia. He asserts that Cyber Command estimates $400 billion in losses over three years due to the theft of trade secrets, primarily by China. These figures are met with skepticism and compared to a hypothetical scenario involving the theft of widget blueprints. Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [aramco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aramco.md), [saudi arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [cyber command](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-command.md), [trade secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-secrets.md), widgets ### USS New York Commemorative Coins and World Trade Center Steel - **Episode:** [232: Eating the Evidence](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/232-eating-the-evidence.md) - **Published:** 2010-09-05 - **Time:** 13:29–18:22 - **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/232-eating-the-evidence/chapter/uss-new-york-commemorative-coins-and-world-trade-center-steel.md A television commercial for a September 11th commemorative coin set draws criticism for selling "evidence" from Ground Zero. The coins and a sculpture of the USS New York are reportedly clad in silver recovered from the World Trade Center ruins and gold. The product is licensed by the United States Secret Service Uniform Division Benefit Fund, which the hosts find abhorrent. Keywords: uss new york, [world trade center](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-trade-center.md), [ground zero](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ground-zero.md), commemorative coin, united states secret service, silver recovery --- This is the markdown version of a page on The No Agenda Show for AI agents. 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