# Smart Grid on The No Agenda Show

Smart Grid comes up in 29 chapters across 27 episodes of The No Agenda Show, from February 2009 to May 2024.

- **Chapters:** 29
- **Episodes:** 27
- **Discussed:** February 2009 – May 2024
- **Related topics:** [Infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md), [Electrical Grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electrical-grid.md), [Emp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emp.md), [Ge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ge.md), [Internet Of Things](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-of-things.md), [Power Grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-grid.md), [Smart Meters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-meters.md), [Advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [Black Hat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-hat.md), [Cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md)

## Chapters 1–20 of 29

### Smart Grid Funding and IBM Livestock Tracking

- **Episode:** [1663: Climate Change Special](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1663-climate-change-special.md)
- **Published:** 2024-05-23
- **Time:** 36:47–39:40
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1663-climate-change-special/chapter/smart-grid-funding-and-ibm-livestock-tracking.md

The Western Area Power Administration (WAPA) is identified as a key distributor of smart grid grants under the 2009 Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Major corporations like IBM and GE are reportedly receiving billions to develop an interconnected network that includes tracking livestock via RFID chips. The hosts suggest the "smart grid" is a tool for total instrumentation of the economy and environment.

Keywords: [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), wapa, [ibm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ibm.md), [ge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ge.md), [rfid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rfid.md), [stimulus package](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus-package.md), recovery and reinvestment act

### Hawaiian Electric, Smart Meter Fire Risks

- **Episode:** [1583: Ninny](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1583-ninny.md)
- **Published:** 2023-08-20
- **Time:** 1:00:06–1:04:15
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1583-ninny/chapter/hawaiian-electric-smart-meter-fire-risks.md

Sensors from Whisker Labs detected 122 faults on Maui's electrical grid on August 7th and 8th, coinciding with the start of the wildfires. Surveillance video captured a power line fault causing an arc that ignited brush near the Maui Bird Conservation Center. Additionally, concerns have been raised that "smart meters" without surge protection may have contributed to home fires following voltage drops and spikes in the grid.

Keywords: [hawaiian electric](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hawaiian-electric.md), whisker labs, [smart meters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-meters.md), [electrical grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electrical-grid.md), [lahaina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lahaina.md)

### Appalachian Power Thermostat Control Program

- **Episode:** [1487: Si Senor](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1487-si-senor.md)
- **Published:** 2022-09-18
- **Time:** 2:34:12–2:36:03
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1487-si-senor/chapter/appalachian-power-thermostat-control-program.md

Appalachian Power is offering customers a $50 gift card to enroll in the "Take Charge" program, which allows the utility to remotely adjust home thermostats during peak demand periods. Participants receive an additional $25 annually for remaining in the program.

Keywords: appalachian power, [smart thermostats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-thermostats.md), [energy grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-grid.md), [gift cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gift-cards.md), take charge

### Smart Saving Measures, California Peak Demand Alerts

- **Episode:** [1484: Do It For Ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1484-do-it-for-ukraine.md)
- **Published:** 2022-09-08
- **Time:** 11:00–15:00
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1484-do-it-for-ukraine/chapter/smart-saving-measures-california-peak-demand-alerts.md

The EU's first measure for the energy crisis is "smart saving," which involves reducing electricity use during peak hours, typically between 4:00 PM and 8:00 PM. Similar efforts are noted in California, where residents receive alerts to avoid using dishwashers and washing machines during high-demand periods. Critics argue these measures are manufactured and place an unfair burden on households.

Keywords: smart saving, peak demand, [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [power grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-grid.md), [energy conservation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-conservation.md)

### Australian Peak Smart Technology and Remote AC Control

- **Episode:** [1196: Clinton Kildepstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1196-clinton-kildepstein.md)
- **Published:** 2019-12-08
- **Time:** 2:08:21–2:10:55
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1196-clinton-kildepstein/chapter/australian-peak-smart-technology-and-remote-ac-control.md

Energy Queensland is promoting "Peak Smart" technology, which allows the utility company to remotely cycle down a customer's air conditioner during peak demand. Customers receive a rebate for participating in the program, which aims to reduce strain on the electrical grid.

Keywords: [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), peak smart, energy queensland, [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [air conditioning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-conditioning.md)

### Community Microgrid Initiative and Energy Decentralization

- **Episode:** [1185: Resilience](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1185-resilience.md)
- **Published:** 2019-10-31
- **Time:** 32:58–42:34
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1185-resilience/chapter/community-microgrid-initiative-and-energy-decentralization.md

The Community Microgrid Initiative is being promoted as a way to decentralize the electric grid and integrate renewable energy sources like solar and wind. A pilot project in the Miller neighborhood of Austin, Texas, known as the Pecan Street project, uses smart meters to monitor home energy consumption every 15 seconds. Critics argue these microgrids are designed for total utility control over consumer appliances and air conditioning.

Keywords: microgrid, clean coalition, [austin texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin-texas.md), pecan street project, [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md)

### Smart Home Vulnerabilities, Electrical Grid Hacking Threats

- **Episode:** [696: The Key Key Thing](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/696-the-key-key-thing.md)
- **Published:** 2015-02-15
- **Time:** 44:50–47:22
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/696-the-key-key-thing/chapter/smart-home-vulnerabilities-electrical-grid-hacking-threats.md

Local news reports highlight the security risks of the "Smart Home," demonstrating how hackers can easily infiltrate internet-connected thermostats and cameras. The segment warns that as more appliances connect to the internet, the potential for large-scale attacks on the electrical grid or individual privacy increases.

Keywords: [smart home](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-home.md), [hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hacking.md), [electrical grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electrical-grid.md), synack, [leslie stahl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leslie-stahl.md), [internet of things](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-of-things.md)

### Michael Chertoff and the Internet of Things Fear-Mongering

- **Episode:** [617: Climate Chaos](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/617-climate-chaos.md)
- **Published:** 2014-05-15
- **Time:** 55:17–1:00:38
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/617-climate-chaos/chapter/michael-chertoff-and-the-internet-of-things-fear-mongering.md

Former DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff is criticized for using the "Internet of Things" to stoke fears about hackers compromising pacemakers, cars, and home appliances. The hosts argue that the primary purpose of connected devices is to deliver targeted advertising rather than to provide utility. They dismiss the security concerns as a "money bonanza" for cybersecurity consultants and government contractors.

Keywords: [michael chertoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-chertoff.md), [internet of things](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-of-things.md), [cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [black hat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-hat.md)

### Michael Chertoff, Internet of Things, and Smart Refrigerator Scams

- **Episode:** [617: Climate Chaos](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/617-climate-chaos-2.md)
- **Published:** 2014-05-15
- **Time:** 55:17–1:00:38
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/617-climate-chaos-2/chapter/michael-chertoff-internet-of-things-and-smart-refrigerator-scams.md

Former DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff is heard warning about the security risks of the "Internet of Things," including hacked pacemakers and thermostats. The hosts dismiss these fears as a marketing ploy to sell consulting services. They argue that "smart" appliances are actually designed to deliver advertising and track consumer behavior rather than provide utility.

Keywords: [michael chertoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-chertoff.md), [internet of things](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-of-things.md), [black hat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-hat.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md)

### American Blackout, National Grid Cyber Attack Dramas

- **Episode:** [556: Vape like a Ninja](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/556-vape-like-a-ninja.md)
- **Published:** 2013-10-13
- **Time:** 21:51–26:35
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/556-vape-like-a-ninja/chapter/american-blackout-national-grid-cyber-attack-dramas.md

The National Geographic Channel is promoting a theatrical event titled "American Blackout," which depicts a total power failure in the U.S. caused by a cyber attack. The hosts compare this to a nearly identical drama aired on Channel 4 in the UK. They mock the technical inaccuracies in the trailers, such as characters using landline phones and watching news reports on television during a total grid collapse.

Keywords: [national geographic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-geographic.md), [american blackout](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/american-blackout.md), [channel 4](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/channel-4.md), [cyber attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-attack.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [power outage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-outage.md)

### Small Modular Reactors, Smart Grid Surveillance

- **Episode:** [546: Munich Moment](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/546-munich-moment.md)
- **Published:** 2013-09-08
- **Time:** 2:10:20–2:13:48
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/546-munich-moment/chapter/small-modular-reactors-smart-grid-surveillance.md

The discussion turns to small modular nuclear reactors (SMRs) and the potential for "backyard nukes" the size of a grapefruit to power homes for centuries. The hosts criticize the lack of public exploration of this technology. They also discuss the "smart grid" and smart meters as tools for training consumers to use less electricity while prices continue to rise.

Keywords: [nuclear energy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-energy.md), [ge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ge.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [smart meters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-meters.md), [energy efficiency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-efficiency.md)

### Smart Grid, Demand Management and Energy Slavery

- **Episode:** [541: Huge Samoan](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/541-huge-samoan.md)
- **Published:** 2013-08-22
- **Time:** 2:09:39–2:16:05
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/541-huge-samoan/chapter/smart-grid-demand-management-and-energy-slavery.md

The "Smart Grid" is described as a system for "demand management" and "curtailment of service," where utility companies can remotely turn off appliances like air conditioners and dishwashers during peak times. This is framed as a form of "energy slavery" that ignores the potential for cheap, constant power from nuclear energy. The hosts also note that the financial viability of the fracking industry is declining, leading to a renewed push for restrictive energy management.

Keywords: [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), demand management, curtailment of service, [fukushima](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fukushima.md), [fracking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fracking.md), [electricity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electricity.md)

### John Dixon, Smart Grid Vulnerabilities and Healthcare Data Security

- **Episode:** [534: The Interview Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/534-the-interview-show.md)
- **Published:** 2013-07-28
- **Time:** 50:25–53:31
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/534-the-interview-show/chapter/john-dixon-smart-grid-vulnerabilities-and-healthcare-data-security.md

The conversation turns to the security risks inherent in the "smart grid" and the digitization of healthcare records. John Dixon warns that the rush to connect critical infrastructure to the internet often outstrips the implementation of necessary security measures. He notes that clunky user interfaces in patient portals often indicate a lack of sophisticated back-end security, leaving sensitive medical data vulnerable.

Keywords: [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [hipaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hipaa.md), hitech, [electronic health records](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electronic-health-records.md), [tcp/ip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tcp-ip.md), [data privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-privacy.md)

### John Dixon, Smart Grid Demand Management and Nation-State Sabotage

- **Episode:** [534: The Interview Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/534-the-interview-show.md)
- **Published:** 2013-07-28
- **Time:** 1:08:21–1:12:12
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/534-the-interview-show/chapter/john-dixon-smart-grid-demand-management-and-nation-state-sabotage.md

John Dixon details the business case for the smart grid, which allows utilities to remotely dampen electrical demand during peak times to save on infrastructure costs. However, he warns that making every thermostat an IP-addressable device creates a massive attack surface for nation-state actors like Iran or China. He notes the confusion within the private sector regarding which federal agency to follow during a large-scale infrastructure attack.

Keywords: [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), ip addressable, electrical infrastructure, mike mccall, [nerc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nerc.md), [ferc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ferc.md)

### California Power Outage, Solar Flares vs. Grid Failure

- **Episode:** [338: Bunga Bunga](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/338-bunga-bunga.md)
- **Published:** 2011-09-11
- **Time:** 1:32:48–1:37:03
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/338-bunga-bunga/chapter/california-power-outage-solar-flares-vs-grid-failure.md

A massive power outage affected 1.4 million customers in Southern California, Arizona, and New Mexico. While officials blamed a transmission failure, the hosts speculate the cause could be solar flare activity or a "prepping" exercise to justify federal spending on a "smart grid," recalling past Enron-related energy scams.

Keywords: [power outage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-outage.md), [san diego](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-diego.md), [solar flares](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/solar-flares.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [enron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/enron.md)

### White House Rural Council and Smart Meters

- **Episode:** [324: Cut, Cap, Duck & Cover](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/324-cut-cap-duck-cover.md)
- **Published:** 2011-07-24
- **Time:** 1:53:31–1:55:08
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/324-cut-cap-duck-cover/chapter/white-house-rural-council-and-smart-meters.md

The newly established White House Rural Council is identified as a front for "Agenda 21" initiatives. The hosts warn that the rollout of smart meters to rural communities is a tool for controlling energy prices and usage.

Keywords: white house rural council, [agenda 21](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agenda-21.md), [smart meters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-meters.md), [electric grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-grid.md), [cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md)

### Automated Water Meters, VSI Meter Services and Smart Grids

- **Episode:** [284: Study says... Duh!](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/284-study-says-duh.md)
- **Published:** 2011-03-06
- **Time:** 2:17:02–2:19:47
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/284-study-says-duh/chapter/automated-water-meters-vsi-meter-services-and-smart-grids.md

Cities are replacing traditional water meters with automated wireless versions that allow utilities to monitor usage in detail and shut off service remotely. VSI Meter Services is identified as a major contractor for these "smart grid" initiatives. The hosts express concern over the loss of privacy and encourage tech-savvy listeners to investigate ways to jam or hack the devices.

Keywords: [water meters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/water-meters.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), vsi meter services, [automation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/automation.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hacking.md)

### Herman Van Rompuy and European Industrial Revolution

- **Episode:** [278: Pap Schmear](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/278-pap-schmear.md)
- **Published:** 2011-02-13
- **Time:** 42:19–46:40
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/278-pap-schmear/chapter/herman-van-rompuy-and-european-industrial-revolution.md

Herman Van Rompuy, President of the European Council, called for a new industrial revolution in Europe to achieve an 80-95% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. His speech presented a choice between "wasteland or wind parks" and "smog-filled cities or smart electricity grids." The plan requires significant investment in energy-saving solutions, sustainable biofuels, and clean vehicles across the European Union.

Keywords: [herman van rompuy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/herman-van-rompuy.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), carbon reduction, smart grids, [biofuels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/biofuels.md)

### Cancun Climate Summit and Energy Rationing Proposals

- **Episode:** [257: The Moment of Truth](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/257-the-moment-of-truth.md)
- **Published:** 2010-12-02
- **Time:** 1:49:53–1:54:30
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/257-the-moment-of-truth/chapter/cancun-climate-summit-and-energy-rationing-proposals.md

At the Cancun Climate Change Summit, scientists from the Royal Society called for World War II-style rationing of electricity and goods in developed nations. Proposals include halting economic growth in the West to allow developing nations to expand. Experts also warned that "threat multipliers" related to climate change could double global food prices by the year 2050.

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### Google Energy, Smart Grids, and the Nexus One Phone

- **Episode:** [164: Waterboarding For Everyone!](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/164-waterboarding-for-everyone.md)
- **Published:** 2010-01-10
- **Time:** 1:39:20–1:41:48
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/164-waterboarding-for-everyone/chapter/google-energy-smart-grids-and-the-nexus-one-phone.md

Google has applied for authorization to buy and sell wholesale energy, leading to speculation that they intend to become a major player in the "smart grid" market. The hosts compare this move to the business model of Enron. Additionally, the new Google Nexus One (HTC) phone is reviewed, with the hosts noting its slippery design and lack of dual-touch capabilities.

Keywords: [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [nexus one](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nexus-one.md), [htc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/htc.md), [smart grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-grid.md), [enron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/enron.md), [energy trading](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-trading.md)

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