# Section 215 on The No Agenda Show

Section 215 comes up in 13 chapters across 13 episodes of The No Agenda Show, from May 2011 to June 2015.

- **Chapters:** 13
- **Episodes:** 13
- **Discussed:** May 2011 – June 2015
- **Related topics:** [Nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [Patriot Act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [Fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [Keith Alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), [Metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [Edward Snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [Fisa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa.md), [Fisa Court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa-court.md), [Ron Wyden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-wyden.md), [Surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

## Chapters 1–13 of 13

### Michael Hayden on Snowden, USA Freedom Act

- **Episode:** [733: Fusion Cell](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/733-fusion-cell.md)
- **Published:** 2015-06-25
- **Time:** 58:54–1:01:29
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/733-fusion-cell/chapter/michael-hayden-on-snowden-usa-freedom-act.md

General Michael Hayden discusses the impact of Edward Snowden's revelations on intelligence operations. He expresses a "cool" attitude toward the USA Freedom Act, noting that while the government no longer holds telephony metadata directly, they can still access it from private companies via court orders. The hosts characterize Hayden's demeanor as dismissive of civil liberties concerns.

Keywords: [michael hayden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-hayden.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [usa freedom act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usa-freedom-act.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md)

### USA Freedom Act, Corporate Data Retention

- **Episode:** [721: Effer in the P Me](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/721-effer-in-the-p-me.md)
- **Published:** 2015-05-14
- **Time:** 1:32:22–1:37:18
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/721-effer-in-the-p-me/chapter/usa-freedom-act-corporate-data-retention.md

The USA Freedom Act is framed as a deceptive piece of legislation that ends government bulk data collection only to shift the responsibility to telecommunications companies. Under new cyber-sharing agreements, companies like FireEye are indemnified when sharing this retained data with the government, creating a less transparent spying apparatus.

Keywords: [usa freedom act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usa-freedom-act.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [fireeye](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fireeye.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md)

### NSA Surveillance Panel, Section 215 Metadata

- **Episode:** [583: A Pure Heart](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/583-a-pure-heart.md)
- **Published:** 2014-01-20
- **Time:** 1:18:56–1:25:28
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/583-a-pure-heart/chapter/nsa-surveillance-panel-section-215-metadata.md

A presidential panel reviewed 46 recommendations regarding NSA surveillance, specifically focusing on Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act. Senator Dianne Feinstein defended the program, arguing that the nine-day wait for FISA court approval is too slow for preventing terrorism. The panel suggested an emergency provision allowing the government to query metadata without a prior court order in life-and-death situations.

Keywords: [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [dianne feinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dianne-feinstein.md), [mike morrell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-morrell.md), [fisa court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa-court.md)

### Mike Rogers, NSA Surveillance Report Defense

- **Episode:** [577: Scripted Fat Talk](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk.md)
- **Published:** 2013-12-26
- **Time:** 28:45–31:05
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/mike-rogers-nsa-surveillance-report-defense.md

Congressman Mike Rogers defended the NSA's Section 215 program on ABC's This Week, claiming a recent advisory report found no evidence of scandal or illegal surveillance. The hosts dispute Rogers' characterization of the report, noting that the panel consisted of insiders like Richard Clark and Mike Morell. They argue the report actually recommends shifting data storage to private third parties rather than ending collection.

Keywords: [mike rogers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-rogers.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [richard clark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-clark.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md)

### Senator Patrick Leahy, NSA 54 Terrorist Plots Claim

- **Episode:** [560: Hornet's Nest](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest.md)
- **Published:** 2013-10-27
- **Time:** 1:33:36–1:39:11
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/senator-patrick-leahy-nsa-54-terrorist-plots-claim.md

During a Senate hearing, Patrick Leahy grills General Alexander over the claim that 54 terrorist plots were thwarted by NSA surveillance. Alexander admits that only 13 of those cases had a "nexus" to the U.S. and that the actual number of plots stopped by Section 215 may be as low as one or two.

Keywords: [patrick leahy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patrick-leahy.md), [keith alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), 54 plots, [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [section 702](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-702.md), [statistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/statistics.md)

### Cell Site Location Data and Bulk Collection Plans

- **Episode:** [552: Almost Certain = Fact!](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/552-almost-certain-fact.md)
- **Published:** 2013-09-29
- **Time:** 32:28–38:06
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/552-almost-certain-fact/chapter/cell-site-location-data-and-bulk-collection-plans.md

Senator Ron Wyden repeatedly asks General Keith Alexander if the NSA has ever collected or planned to collect American cell site location information in bulk. Alexander refers to a previous unclassified response stating the NSA has no current plans to do so under Section 215. Wyden expresses frustration, claiming the question regarding past plans remains unanswered.

Keywords: [ron wyden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-wyden.md), [keith alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), cell site data, [geolocation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geolocation.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md)

### Keith Alexander at Black Hat, NSA Metadata Defense

- **Episode:** [536: Ready for Huma](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/536-ready-for-huma.md)
- **Published:** 2013-08-04
- **Time:** 1:19:53–1:26:18
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/536-ready-for-huma/chapter/keith-alexander-at-black-hat-nsa-metadata-defense.md

NSA Director Keith Alexander is heckled at the Black Hat security conference while defending the agency's metadata collection programs. The hosts deconstruct Alexander's claim that the programs stopped 54 terrorist plots, playing a counter-clip that suggests these cases were mostly related to financial support for overseas groups rather than active domestic plots. They argue the "54 cases" meme is a persistent lie used to justify bulk surveillance.

Keywords: [keith alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), [black hat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-hat.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md)

### Jerrold Nadler Grills FBI on Section 215

- **Episode:** [531: Quantum Dong](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/531-quantum-dong.md)
- **Published:** 2013-07-18
- **Time:** 1:22:54–1:27:13
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/531-quantum-dong/chapter/jerrold-nadler-grills-fbi-on-section-215.md

Representative Jerrold Nadler questioned Deputy Attorney General James Cole regarding the bulk collection of telephone metadata under Section 215 of the Patriot Act. Nadler challenged the administration's claim that this authority is similar to a grand jury subpoena, noting that no grand jury in U.S. history has ever authorized the ongoing collection of all telephone records in the country. The exchange highlighted the broad interpretation of "relevance" used by the FBI.

Keywords: [jerrold nadler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerrold-nadler.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [grand jury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grand-jury.md)

### Section 215 Metadata Program and FISA Approvals

- **Episode:** [523: by Law and by Rule](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/523-by-law-and-by-rule.md)
- **Published:** 2013-06-20
- **Time:** 1:11:10–1:15:35
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/523-by-law-and-by-rule/chapter/section-215-metadata-program-and-fisa-approvals.md

President Obama describes the Section 215 program (which he mistakenly calls the "2015 program") as a bulk collection of metadata from providers like Verizon. He asserts that the database only contains numbers and call durations, not content, and requires a FISA court query to access. The hosts note that the FISA court has reportedly never turned down a request out of tens of thousands of applications.

Keywords: [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [verizon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/verizon.md), [fisa court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa-court.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md)

### PRISM Surveillance Program and Public Opinion Polls

- **Episode:** [522: Hookers on Sale](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/522-hookers-on-sale.md)
- **Published:** 2013-06-16
- **Time:** 1:19:56–1:26:25
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/522-hookers-on-sale/chapter/prism-surveillance-program-and-public-opinion-polls.md

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney defends the "necessity" and "balance" of NSA surveillance programs under Section 215. The administration cites the 2009 New York City subway plot involving Najibullah Zazi as a primary example of a thwarted attack made possible by these programs.

Keywords: [jay carney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jay-carney.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [prism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [najibullah zazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/najibullah-zazi.md)

### Patriot Act Section 215, Roving Wiretaps

- **Episode:** [346: The Indignati](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/346-the-indignati.md)
- **Published:** 2011-10-09
- **Time:** 55:54–1:00:11
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/346-the-indignati/chapter/patriot-act-section-215-roving-wiretaps.md

FBI officials defend Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows the government to seize commercial records to "paint a picture" of potential terrorists. The justification for roving wiretaps is based on the ease of swapping SIM cards. The hosts argue these measures are a direct violation of constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure.

Keywords: [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), roving wiretaps, [sim cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sim-cards.md), [fourth amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fourth-amendment.md)

### Senator Ron Wyden, Patriot Act Section 215

- **Episode:** [327: Aromatic Poo](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/327-aromatic-poo.md)
- **Published:** 2011-08-04
- **Time:** 2:32:04–2:34:48
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/327-aromatic-poo/chapter/senator-ron-wyden-patriot-act-section-215.md

Senator Ron Wyden and Senator Mark Udall are challenging the "secret law" interpretations of the Patriot Act, specifically Section 215. Wyden warns that the government's classified legal interpretations allow for the sweeping collection of innocent Americans' communications, which will eventually undermine public confidence in the law.

Keywords: [ron wyden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-wyden.md), [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [fisa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa.md), secret law

### Patriot Act Section 215, FBI Tangible Things, and FISA

- **Episode:** [308: Wiener-Gate](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/308-wiener-gate.md)
- **Published:** 2011-05-29
- **Time:** 7:50–14:12
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/308-wiener-gate/chapter/patriot-act-section-215-fbi-tangible-things-and-fisa.md

Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to seize any "tangible things" during authorized investigations, including books, records, and personal items. The legislation includes a strict non-disclosure provision, effectively a gag order, preventing individuals from revealing they have been served with such an order. This institutionalizes secrecy within the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) framework, making it difficult for citizens to challenge surveillance.

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