# Echelon on The No Agenda Show

Echelon comes up in 6 chapters across 6 episodes of The No Agenda Show, from November 2007 to November 2015.

- **Chapters:** 6
- **Episodes:** 6
- **Discussed:** November 2007 – November 2015
- **Related topics:** [Surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [At&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), [Nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [Bobby Inman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bobby-inman.md), [Church Committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/church-committee.md), [Department Of Agriculture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-agriculture.md), [Egypt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/egypt.md), [Encryption](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/encryption.md), [Fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [Pentagon Papers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon-papers.md)

## Chapters 1–6 of 6

### Surveillance Limitations and the Decline of Field Intelligence

- **Episode:** [774: Morally Deformed](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/774-morally-deformed.md)
- **Published:** 2015-11-15
- **Time:** 10:34–12:58
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/774-morally-deformed/chapter/surveillance-limitations-and-the-decline-of-field-intelligence.md

The hosts argue that modern intelligence agencies have become overly reliant on passive electronic surveillance and social media monitoring at the expense of human intelligence in the field. They suggest that the failure to stop the Paris attacks stems from agents "sitting on Facebook all day" rather than infiltrating groups. The narrative that encryption is the primary obstacle is dismissed as a convenient excuse for agencies seeking larger budgets.

Keywords: [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [encryption](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/encryption.md), [social networks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-networks.md), [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), signal intelligence

### Perry Fellwock, NSA Whistleblowers and Ramparts Magazine

- **Episode:** [565: Spy in a Bag](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/565-spy-in-a-bag.md)
- **Published:** 2013-11-14
- **Time:** 2:12:23–2:16:44
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/565-spy-in-a-bag/chapter/perry-fellwock-nsa-whistleblowers-and-ramparts-magazine.md

The hosts discuss Perry Fellwock (alias Winslow Peck), the original NSA whistleblower who exposed the agency's activities in Ramparts Magazine in 1972. Fellwock revealed the existence of Echelon and the NSA's massive budget compared to the CIA. The discussion links these early revelations to the Church Committee and the subsequent tightening of congressional oversight.

Keywords: perry fellwock, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), winslow peck, [bobby inman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bobby-inman.md), [church committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/church-committee.md), [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [pentagon papers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon-papers.md)

### USAID Funding for Egyptian Elections and Carrier IQ

- **Episode:** [362: Drone Journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/362-drone-journalism.md)
- **Published:** 2011-12-04
- **Time:** 2:05:19–2:07:38
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/362-drone-journalism/chapter/usaid-funding-for-egyptian-elections-and-carrier-iq.md

The U.S. government, via USAID, has spent $200 million on the Egyptian uprising and subsequent elections, including training for political parties. Meanwhile, the "Carrier IQ" smartphone tracking scandal is dismissed as a distraction from much larger government surveillance programs like Echelon and GPS tracking.

Keywords: [usaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usaid.md), [egypt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/egypt.md), carrier iq, [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

### Media Hypocrisy, Government Surveillance vs. Tabloid Tactics

- **Episode:** [323: CIA vs MI6](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6.md)
- **Published:** 2011-07-21
- **Time:** 32:10–35:27
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/media-hypocrisy-government-surveillance-vs-tabloid-tactics.md

The hosts argue that the public outrage over tabloid phone hacking is misplaced compared to the lack of concern regarding mass government surveillance. They cite programs like Echelon and the AT&T "vacuum cleaner" building in San Francisco as examples of systemic privacy violations. They suggest the media focuses on Murdoch to avoid reporting on government crimes.

Keywords: [phone tapping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phone-tapping.md), [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [rupert murdoch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rupert-murdoch.md)

### United Kingdom, Surveillance Intercepts and Echelon

- **Episode:** [16: Start Using Canteens](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/16-start-using-canteens.md)
- **Published:** 2008-02-10
- **Time:** 5:57–8:34
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/16-start-using-canteens/chapter/united-kingdom-surveillance-intercepts-and-echelon.md

A scandal in the United Kingdom reveals that 800 different organizations, including the Department of Agriculture and local councils, have the authority to order wiretaps or internet intercepts. The issue surfaced after a Member of Parliament had a conversation with a constituent eavesdropped upon by other ministers. Senior managers within these obscure departments can reportedly request intercepts of phone records and website history.

Keywords: [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [wiretapping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wiretapping.md), [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [department of agriculture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-agriculture.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

### Yahoo China Controversy, AT&T Surveillance Concerns

- **Episode:** [3: No Agenda 003](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/3-no-agenda-003.md)
- **Published:** 2007-11-09
- **Time:** 26:10–27:41
- **Transcript:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/3-no-agenda-003/chapter/yahoo-china-controversy-at-t-surveillance-concerns.md

Congressman Tom Lantos is criticized for his aggressive stance against Yahoo regarding the identification of a Chinese dissident, while simultaneously ignoring domestic surveillance issues involving AT&T. The discussion suggests that US intelligence agencies have broad access to citizen emails through telecommunications providers. There is speculation that political pressure on tech companies is often driven by a lack of campaign contributions rather than genuine human rights concerns.

Keywords: [yahoo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yahoo.md), tom lantos, [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md)

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