# The Talking Stick! > Statue removals sweep the University of Texas as the Navy investigates a string of collisions and mysterious sonic attacks target American diplomats in Havana. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 958 - **Published:** 2017-08-24 - **Length:** 3h 5m - **Topics:** Statue Removal, Navy Collisions, Sonic Attacks, [Opioid Crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opioid-crisis.md), Hillary Trump, [Fentanyl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fentanyl.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick ## About this episode University of Texas President Greg Fenves ordered the immediate removal of Confederate statues from the Austin campus, including monuments to Robert E. Lee and James Stephen Hogg. This domestic shift in historical iconography coincides with ESPN reassigning announcer Robert Lee from a Virginia football game due to his name, a move critics label as extreme corporate sensitivity. Meanwhile, former DNI James Clapper appeared on CNN to question President Trump's fitness for office following a Phoenix rally that major networks characterized as unhinged and unbridled. In international developments, the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker near Singapore, marking the second major Navy destroyer accident in two months and prompting the dismissal of the 7th Fleet commander. Reports from Havana indicate U.S. diplomats are suffering from traumatic brain injuries and hearing loss following suspected sonic attacks. Domestically, the opioid crisis deepens as synthetic fentanyl shipments from China bypass traditional customs via Amazon logistics and China Post, while Purdue Pharma faces scrutiny for the aggressive marketing of OxyContin that fueled the initial epidemic. Maxine Waters accepted a humanitarian award at the BET Black Girls Rock ceremony, utilizing her viral reclaiming my time catchphrase to signal a rising political profile. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the Weather Channel's emotional reaction to the solar eclipse and the curious history of tobacco enemas used to revive drowning victims in the 18th century. The duo also explores the CIA's 1954 Operation PBSuccess in Guatemala as a blueprint for modern psychological warfare and media deception. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/transcript.md. ### 1. No Agenda Episode 958 Introduction and Cludio Studio (0:00–2:34) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 958 of the No Agenda show from Austin, Texas, and Northern Silicon Valley. Curry describes his temporary studio setup, dubbed the "Cludio," located in a guest bedroom closet while hosting visitors. The hosts briefly mention the "Zephyr" train and prepare to analyze media clips sent in by the audience. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), cludio, [podcast introduction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-introduction.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/1.md) ### 2. University of Texas Statue Removals and Historical Revisionism (2:34–6:18) University of Texas at Austin President Greg Fenves ordered the overnight removal of several Confederate statues from the campus main mall, including likenesses of Robert E. Lee and James Stephen Hogg. The decision followed the events in Charlottesville, Virginia, and a task force recommendation initiated after the 2015 Charleston church shootings. The statues are being relocated to the Briscoe Center for American History. Keywords: [university of texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-texas.md), greg fenves, [robert e. lee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-e-lee.md), confederate statues, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [historical revisionism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/historical-revisionism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/2.md) ### 3. ESPN Reassigns Announcer Robert Lee Over Name Concerns (6:18–7:15) ESPN reassigned Asian-American play-by-play announcer Robert Lee from a University of Virginia football game broadcast due to his name's similarity to Confederate General Robert E. Lee. The network cited concerns that the name might offend viewers following recent racial tensions in Charlottesville. Media critics describe the move as an example of extreme corporate sensitivity and an "alternative universe" of logic. Keywords: [espn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/espn.md), robert lee, [university of virginia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-virginia.md), [charlottesville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlottesville.md), [media research center](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-research-center.md), [political correctness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-correctness.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Scott Adams on Cognitive Hallucinations and Political Bias (7:15–10:16) Scott Adams published a blog post regarding "hallucinations" and the alternate universes created by political winners and losers. The discussion highlights a recurring historical pattern where opponents claim sitting presidents like Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama will declare martial law to seek a third term. The hosts also critique Adams' frequent use of Periscope for video broadcasts. Keywords: [scott adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-adams.md), [cognitive dissonance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cognitive-dissonance.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [periscope](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/periscope.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Canada School Renaming Proposals and Sir John A. Macdonald (10:16–13:28) The Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario approved a motion calling for the renaming of schools named after Canada's first Prime Minister, Sir John A. Macdonald. Critics label Macdonald the "architect of genocide" against indigenous populations. Union representatives argue that school names must reflect inclusive values to ensure students feel safe, while others question if this logic will extend to currency and highways. Keywords: [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), sir john a. macdonald, elementary teachers federation of ontario, indigenous peoples, hector langevin [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Lincoln Memorial Inscriptions and Civil War Motivations (13:28–16:13) A circulating image of an inscription at the Lincoln Memorial features an 1864 quote from Abraham Lincoln stating the war was being fought for the Union rather than the sole purpose of abolition. The hosts discuss historical interpretations of the Civil War and the current climate of pulling down statues. They reference Kenneth Stamp's historical work regarding the complex motivations behind the conflict between the states. Keywords: [abraham lincoln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abraham-lincoln.md), [lincoln memorial](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lincoln-memorial.md), [emancipation proclamation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emancipation-proclamation.md), [civil war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-war.md), kenneth stamp, abolition [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Mark Steyn on Antifa, White Identity Politics, and LARPing (16:13–18:36) Mark Steyn, filling in for conservative radio hosts, characterized modern protesters as participants in a "minstrel show" of identity politics. Steyn argued that young white protesters toppling statues and tiki-torch-bearing white nationalists are both engaging in "LARPing" (Live Action Role Playing) and cosplay. The discussion suggests these groups are acting out extreme versions of the identities they have been assigned by media narratives. Keywords: [mark steyn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-steyn.md), [antifa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antifa.md), [black lives matter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-lives-matter.md), [larping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/larping.md), [charlottesville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlottesville.md), [identity politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/identity-politics.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/7.md) ### 8. George and Amal Clooney Donate to Southern Poverty Law Center (18:36–20:22) George and Amal Clooney donated $1 million to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) through the Clooney Foundation for Justice following the violence in Charlottesville. The donation is intended to support the monitoring of extremist and hate groups in the United States. The hosts note the SPLC's significant financial reserves and question the necessity of the high-profile contribution. Keywords: [george clooney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-clooney.md), [amal clooney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amal-clooney.md), [southern poverty law center](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/southern-poverty-law-center.md), [charlottesville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlottesville.md), clooney foundation for justice [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/8.md) ### 9. ProPublica Documenting Hate Project and George Soros Funding (20:23–24:32) AC Thompson of ProPublica appeared on C-SPAN to discuss the "Documenting Hate" project, a non-profit initiative to track bias incidents. During the broadcast, a caller questioned Thompson about funding from George Soros, which Thompson claimed he could not confirm. The hosts analyze ProPublica's business model of providing free investigative content to other news outlets and its reliance on large philanthropic donors. Keywords: [propublica](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propublica.md), ac thompson, documenting hate, [george soros](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-soros.md), [investigative journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/investigative-journalism.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/9.md) ### 10. ProPublica Methodology for Tracking Hate Crimes (24:32–28:56) ProPublica's "Documenting Hate" project seeks to create a new database of hate crimes, claiming that FBI statistics are unreliable because many law enforcement agencies do not participate. The project relies on self-reported stories from individuals who believe they were victims of bias. Critics argue that relying on unverified personal accounts rather than official police data leads to subjective and potentially rigged results. Keywords: [propublica](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propublica.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [hate crimes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-crimes.md), [data collection](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-collection.md), [investigative reporting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/investigative-reporting.md), bias incidents [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Trends in Anti-Semitism and Harassment Reporting (28:56–34:01) AC Thompson identified three major trends in ProPublica's data: a surge in anti-Semitism, a "rash" of anti-immigrant sentiment, and incidents where perpetrators invoke President Trump's name. The project tracks lower-level harassment that does not meet the federal legal definition of a hate crime. The hosts discuss the expansion of the "hate crime" category to include non-criminal behavior and speech. Keywords: [anti-semitism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anti-semitism.md), [harassment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harassment.md), [hate crimes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-crimes.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), federal statutes, data trends [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Lexicon Shift and the Word Conflate (34:01–37:16) The hosts pause to discuss the recent proliferation of the word "conflate" in American media and public discourse. They observe that the term has been adopted by both news anchors and the general public over the last two years. The conversation shifts to how social trends like "bullying" have evolved into the current focus on "hate crimes" and the potential impact on First Amendment rights. Keywords: [lexicon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lexicon.md), [linguistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/linguistics.md), [media terminology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-terminology.md), [free speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-speech.md), [bullying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bullying.md), social awareness [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Global Statue Removal Trend and Admiral Nelson (37:17–39:02) The Guardian reported on potential calls to remove the statue of Admiral Nelson in London, signaling that the statue-toppling trend is spreading internationally. The hosts suggest that controversial historical art should be moved to museums rather than destroyed. They also note the presence of a Che Guevara statue in the San Francisco Bay Area despite his controversial history. Keywords: admiral nelson, [the guardian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-guardian.md), [che guevara](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/che-guevara.md), [museums](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/museums.md), art preservation, [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Media Coverage of Trump's Phoenix and VFW Speeches (39:02–41:14) President Trump delivered a rally speech in Phoenix followed by an address to the VFW, which the media characterized as "unhinged." Adam Curry argues that the Phoenix speech was a standard Trump stump speech, though it included an eight-minute critique of the media. Journalists like Matt Taibbi and network anchors compared the event to a "Hitler rally," which the hosts describe as an exaggerated media narrative. Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [phoenix](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phoenix.md), vfw, [matt taibbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-taibbi.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md), [stump speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stump-speech.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/14.md) ### 15. James Clapper Questions Trump's Fitness and Nuclear Codes (41:14–45:15) Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper appeared on CNN with Don Lemon to question President Trump's fitness for office and his access to nuclear codes. Clapper described Trump's behavior as "scary and disturbing" following the Phoenix rally. NBC News highlighted the contrast between Trump's scripted Afghanistan speech and his unscripted rally performance, using terms like "unbridled" and "unglued." Keywords: [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [nuclear codes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-codes.md), [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), [don lemon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/don-lemon.md), fitness for office [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/15.md) ### 16. NBC News Inaccuracy Regarding Senator Jeff Flake (45:17–49:12) NBC News reported that President Trump "antagonized" Senator Jeff Flake by name during his Phoenix rally, but the transcript shows Trump intentionally avoided mentioning Flake or John McCain by name. While Trump's comments were clearly directed at the Arizona senators, the hosts criticize NBC for fictionalizing the event by claiming he spoke the names directly. They argue this lack of context contributes to the media's poor reputation. Keywords: [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), [jeff flake](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff-flake.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), phoenix rally, [journalistic integrity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalistic-integrity.md), [media ethics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-ethics.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Aleksej Gubarev Sues BuzzFeed for Dossier Slander (49:12–53:07) Aleksej Gubarev, a Russian tech executive based in Texas, is suing BuzzFeed for slander after being named as a "scammer" and "spammer" in the Christopher Steele dossier. BuzzFeed has since redacted his name from the published document, but the lawsuit continues in Miami. The hosts also note a media "filter" where reporters seem to struggle with gendered language like "right-hand man." Keywords: aleksej gubarev, [buzzfeed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzfeed.md), [trump dossier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump-dossier.md), [slander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slander.md), [libel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libel.md), [christopher steele](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christopher-steele.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Rachel Maddow and Rick Wilson on the Steele Dossier (53:07–57:37) Rachel Maddow and Republican strategist Rick Wilson discussed the legitimacy of the Steele dossier following testimony from Fusion GPS. Wilson claimed that a "gigantic iceberg" of information exists regarding Trump's alleged entanglements with Russian oligarchs. Maddow characterized the dossier's claims as evidence of "overt and knowing collusion" in a Russian attack on the United States. Keywords: [rachel maddow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rachel-maddow.md), [rick wilson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rick-wilson.md), [fusion gps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fusion-gps.md), [christopher steele](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christopher-steele.md), [steele dossier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steele-dossier.md), [russian collusion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-collusion.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Potential Extradition of Christopher Steele (57:37–59:30) A circuit court ruling suggests that Christopher Steele could be compelled to testify in the United States due to the ongoing libel lawsuit against BuzzFeed. The hosts discuss the possibility of Steele being extradited from the UK, where libel laws are significantly stricter. They speculate that if Steele enters the U.S., Special Counsel Robert Mueller may attempt to secure his testimony regarding the dossier's origins. Keywords: [christopher steele](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christopher-steele.md), [buzzfeed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzfeed.md), [robert mueller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-mueller.md), [extradition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/extradition.md), [libel law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libel-law.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Donnie Deutsch and the Sociopath Checklist for Trump (59:30–1:02:24) Advertising executive Donnie Deutsch appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" to read a clinical checklist for sociopathy, applying the traits to President Trump. The list included characteristics such as lack of guilt, professional lying, and a need for constant stimulation. The hosts note that similar psychological critiques could have been applied to previous presidents like Barack Obama depending on the media outlet's bias. Keywords: [donnie deutsch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donnie-deutsch.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [sociopath](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sociopath.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), personality disorders [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Hillary Clinton's Book Excerpts and Debate Rehearsals (1:02:24–1:08:02) NBC News aired excerpts from Hillary Clinton's upcoming book, "What Happened," where she describes Donald Trump "breathing down her neck" during the second presidential debate. Clinton claims the moment made her "skin crawl," while media analysts previously characterized her debate performance as a high point. The hosts point out that Clinton reportedly rehearsed for this specific behavior with stand-ins during her debate prep. Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [what happened](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/what-happened.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [presidential debates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/presidential-debates.md), [andrea mitchell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrea-mitchell.md), [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Mike Rowe on Political Polarization and Reading Habits (1:08:02–1:10:25) Mike Rowe posted a response on Facebook to accusations that his show appeals to white nationalists, arguing against the "cancer" of polarization on both sides. The hosts use this as an example of how people often react to headlines without reading the actual content. John Dvorak shares a similar experience where readers criticized a PC Magazine column about phone safety laws without reading his specific arguments. Keywords: [mike rowe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-rowe.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [nazism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nazism.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), reading comprehension, [pc magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pc-magazine.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Maxine Waters Honored at BET Black Girls Rock Awards (1:10:25–1:15:55) Congresswoman Maxine Waters received the Social Humanitarian Award at the BET "Black Girls Rock" ceremony. In her acceptance speech, she used her viral catchphrase "reclaiming my time" and vowed to resist and impeach President Trump. Waters addressed "alt-right haters" and encouraged the audience to "stay woke," a performance the hosts analyze as a clear signal of her rising political profile among millennials. Keywords: [maxine waters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maxine-waters.md), [bet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bet.md), black girls rock, reclaiming my time, [impeachment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/impeachment.md), [stay woke](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stay-woke.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/23.md) ### 24. No Agenda Community Updates and Houston Meetup (1:15:56–1:17:59) Adam Curry thanks Brendel Kidwell for maintaining GitmoList.org, a directory of No Agenda-related websites. A community meetup is being planned for Houston, though Curry suggests moving the event to Austin to accommodate more attendees. The hosts also credit Patrick Baus for the episode's artwork, which features an eclipse theme. Keywords: gitmolist.org, [houston](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/houston.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [meetup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetup.md), [podcast community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-community.md), patrick baus [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/24.md) ### 25. Weather Channel Anchor's Emotional Reaction to the Eclipse (1:18:01–1:22:36) A Weather Channel anchor had a highly emotional, tearful reaction to the total solar eclipse during a live broadcast. The hosts discuss the widespread "eclipse fever" and speculate that the intense emotional responses from some observers may stem from a lack of traditional religious belief systems. They compare the experience of watching the eclipse in person versus the high-quality feeds provided by NASA and television networks. Keywords: [solar eclipse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/solar-eclipse.md), [weather channel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weather-channel.md), [nasa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nasa.md), [totality](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/totality.md), [religion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/religion.md), [emotional response](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emotional-response.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Eclipse Observations in Austin and Silicon Labs (1:22:36–1:24:25) During the solar eclipse, chip designers at Silicon Labs in downtown Austin gathered on rooftops with specialized filters and equipment. Adam Curry observed the scene with binoculars, noting the various "gizmos" used by the tech workers. The hosts mention that Austin will be in the path of totality for the next major North American solar eclipse on April 8, 2024. Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), silicon labs, [solar eclipse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/solar-eclipse.md), chip designers, [binoculars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/binoculars.md), 2024 eclipse [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Executive Producer Donations and Karma Requests (1:24:26–1:27:37) Sir Neville James of Australia donated $400, noting that politicians in his country have "lost the plot." Dr. Joe Travis donated $400 to credit his son, Harrison Travis, as an executive producer before he heads to college. Another donor, Oistenberge in Rotterdam, requested "stable relationship karma" with a $333 contribution. The hosts play various jingles, including a "Don't Kill Me Hillary" clip. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producer.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Associate Executive Producer Credits and Douchebag Check (1:27:38–1:34:27) The hosts recognize several Associate Executive Producers, including Dennis Cruz of hotcoffee.org and Ron Pepper, a pioneer in HDR photography. A donor named Ron Pepper initiated a "douchebag check" for the hosts of the Seahawkers podcast, who adopted the No Agenda "value for value" model but have not yet donated back to the show. The segment concludes with birthday shout-outs and a "schwoz" of karma. Keywords: [associate executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/associate-executive-producer.md), hotcoffee.org, ron pepper, seahawkers podcast, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), hdr photography [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/28.md) ### 29. The Defiant Ones and Executive Producer Titles (1:34:28–1:36:08) Adam Curry discusses the HBO documentary "The Defiant Ones," which profiles Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre. He notes that Gene Kirkwood, a former associate of Curry's in Los Angeles, is listed as an executive producer. This leads to a brief discussion on the significance and propagation of executive producer titles in the media industry. Keywords: the defiant ones, [hbo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hbo.md), [jimmy iovine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jimmy-iovine.md), dr. dre, gene kirkwood, [executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producer.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Afghanistan Strategy and the Poppy Field Protection (1:36:09–1:39:57) Reports indicate thousands of paratroopers are being deployed to Afghanistan as part of President Trump's new strategy. The hosts discuss the theory that the U.S. military presence is primarily focused on protecting poppy fields, which fuel the global opium trade. Adam Curry suggests that burning the poppy fields would be a way to declare victory and simultaneously address the domestic opioid crisis. Keywords: [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [poppy fields](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poppy-fields.md), [opium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opium.md), [opioid crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opioid-crisis.md), [paratroopers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paratroopers.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/30.md) ### 31. Chinese Fentanyl Shipments and Amazon Logistics (1:39:57–1:43:44) The hosts discuss the surge of synthetic fentanyl being shipped directly from China to U.S. consumers via postal services and private couriers like FedEx. They note that many small products ordered through Amazon are shipped directly from China with low shipping costs. Law enforcement has reportedly discovered significant quantities of contraband fentanyl in packages arriving from China Post. Keywords: [fentanyl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fentanyl.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), [fedex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fedex.md), [dhl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhl.md), [drug trafficking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drug-trafficking.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/31.md) ### 32. Sam Quinones on the Opioid Epidemic and Marketing (1:43:45–1:47:34) Author Sam Quinones appeared on C-SPAN to discuss his book "Dreamland," which details the rise of the opioid epidemic. Quinones explains how a Mexican gang from Jalisco developed a retail "pizza delivery" model for heroin in Columbus, Ohio. This marketing strategy coincided with a massive push by pharmaceutical companies to promote narcotic painkillers, creating a vast new market of addicts. Keywords: sam quinones, dreamland, [opioids](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opioids.md), [heroin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heroin.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), jalisco boys [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/32.md) ### 33. Purdue Pharma and the Marketing of OxyContin (1:47:34–1:51:21) Sam Quinones describes how Purdue Pharma used aggressive marketing techniques, including giveaways and trips, to convince doctors that OxyContin was non-addictive. For the first 14 years of its existence, the drug lacked abuse-deterrent properties, allowing users to build high tolerances. When patients could no longer afford the pills, they often transitioned to cheaper heroin provided by the Jalisco traffickers. Keywords: [purdue pharma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/purdue-pharma.md), [oxycontin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oxycontin.md), [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [opioid addiction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opioid-addiction.md), [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), sam quinones [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/33.md) ### 34. Comparison of Leadership Styles: Reagan vs. Trump (1:51:21–1:54:32) A C-SPAN discussion compared the administrative styles of Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump. The commentator argued that Reagan's staff understood his core beliefs, empowering the bureaucracy to act without constant permission. In contrast, Trump's leadership is described as chaotic, with the president likened to a "patient from an old age home wandering off into the snow," leaving his administration without a clear policy direction. Keywords: [ronald reagan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ronald-reagan.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [jeff sessions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff-sessions.md), [leadership](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leadership.md), [bureaucracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bureaucracy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/34.md) ### 35. Trump's Afghanistan Speech and Political Realism (1:54:33–1:59:21) President Trump announced that the U.S. will no longer use military might for "nation building" or to construct democracies in foreign lands, shifting instead to "principled realism." The hosts analyze his call for a "political process" in Afghanistan, which implies potential negotiations with the Taliban. They also touch upon the controversial issue of "bacha bazi" (boy play) in Afghanistan and the U.S. military's hands-off policy regarding the practice. Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [taliban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taliban.md), [nation building](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nation-building.md), political process, [pedophilia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pedophilia.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/35.md) ### 36. Haitian Refugees Fleeing the U.S. for Canada (1:59:22–2:04:53) Thousands of Haitian refugees are crossing the U.S. border into Quebec, Canada, fearing the expiration of their temporary protected status in the United States. CNN reports suggest that "fear in the current climate" under the Trump administration is driving the exodus. The influx has forced the Canadian military to set up tents at the border and use Montreal's Olympic Stadium as a temporary shelter. Keywords: [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [justin trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-trudeau.md), [asylum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/asylum.md), [montreal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/montreal.md), [travel ban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel-ban.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/36.md) ### 37. Justin Trudeau on Border Security and Refugee Rights (2:04:53–2:08:14) Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed the border crossings, stating that Canada has a "rigorous system" for processing refugees and will not compromise on security. However, the U.S. has expressed frustration over a lack of information regarding the individuals crossing into Canada. The hosts speculate on whether Canada will face its own internal political conflicts regarding sanctuary cities and refugee rights. Keywords: [justin trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-trudeau.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), ralph goodale, [border security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/border-security.md), [sanctuary cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctuary-cities.md), [refugees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/refugees.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/37.md) ### 38. CIA Operation PBSuccess and the 1954 Guatemalan Coup (2:08:15–2:12:28) The hosts review a documentary about "Operation PBSuccess," the 1954 CIA-orchestrated coup in Guatemala. The operation relied heavily on "Radio Liberacion," a fake radio station that broadcasted reports of fictitious rebel victories and massive troop movements. This psychological warfare paralyzed Guatemala City and convinced President Jacobo Arbenz that his military had collapsed, leading to his resignation despite the actual rebel force being tiny. Keywords: [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [guatemala](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guatemala.md), jacobo arbenz, castillo armas, [psychological warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychological-warfare.md), radio liberacion [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/38.md) ### 39. The "Big Lie" Technique in CIA Operations (2:12:28–2:15:52) The 1954 Guatemalan operation is cited as a "brilliant deception" and a landmark achievement in CIA psychological operations. By isolating the president and turning his senior officers against him through misinformation, the CIA achieved a regime change with minimal physical force. The hosts discuss how this "theater of the mind" playbook may still influence modern intelligence operations and media narratives. Keywords: [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [guatemala](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guatemala.md), [psychological warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychological-warfare.md), [big lie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/big-lie.md), [dinesh d'souza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dinesh-d-souza.md), [theater of the mind](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/theater-of-the-mind.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/39.md) ### 40. Modern Psychological Warfare and Facebook Live (2:15:52–2:18:34) Adam Curry suggests that the CIA's old radio-based deception tactics could be modernized using Facebook Live and smartphone footage. He posits that a well-executed "Wag the Dog" scenario involving fake reports of ISIS crossing the Texas border would likely be taken seriously by the public and media. The hosts note that major networks already rely heavily on unverified social media reports and tweets for breaking news. Keywords: [facebook live](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook-live.md), [isis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isis.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [wag the dog](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wag-the-dog.md), [media manipulation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-manipulation.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/40.md) ### 41. Fibonacci Donations and De-Douching Requests (2:18:35–2:23:31) Taylor Kuzella donated $112.35, a sequence of Fibonacci numbers, while expressing frustration with host bickering in the previous episode. Several donors, including James Melcher and Joe Travis, requested "de-douching" for themselves or their sons. The hosts also discuss ham radio call signs and promote the No Agenda "layaway" and subscription programs to support the show's value-for-value model. Keywords: [fibonacci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fibonacci.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [de-douching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/de-douching.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jobs.md), [subscriptions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subscriptions.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/41.md) ### 42. DNA Test Inaccuracies and Identical Sibling Results (2:23:32–2:28:32) Inside Edition conducted a test of commercial DNA kits from 23andMe and AncestryDNA using identical triplets and quadruplets. Despite having identical DNA, the siblings received significantly different ancestry percentages, with some showing French or Scandinavian heritage that their siblings did not. The hosts argue that these commercial tests have low confidence levels and are often "bullcrap" used to create a false sense of certainty about heritage. Keywords: [23andme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/23andme.md), [ancestrydna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ancestrydna.md), [dna testing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna-testing.md), identical triplets, [inside edition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inside-edition.md), ashkenazi jew [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/42.md) ### 43. Forensic DNA Myths and the History of Tobacco Enemas (2:28:33–2:31:35) The hosts discuss the "CSI effect," where juries expect conclusive DNA evidence from simple objects like touched glasses. This leads to a "Real Phrase from the Shays" segment regarding the origin of the phrase "blowing smoke up your ass." The practice originated in 1746 as a legitimate medical procedure using tobacco smoke enemas to revive drowning victims, which was common in the late 18th century. Keywords: [csi effect](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/csi-effect.md), [dna evidence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna-evidence.md), tobacco enema, [medical history](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-history.md), blowing smoke, [drowning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drowning.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/43.md) ### 44. Google and Walmart Partnership Against Amazon (2:31:51–2:34:12) Google and Walmart announced a partnership to compete with Amazon in the voice-activated shopping market. Starting in late September, Walmart customers can link their accounts to Google Express to reorder items via Google Home speakers. The move is seen as an attempt to challenge Amazon's dominance with the Echo and Alexa devices, focusing on the "next frontier" of e-commerce. Keywords: [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), [google home](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-home.md), [alexa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexa.md), voice shopping [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/44.md) ### 45. The Convenience and Privacy of Voice-Activated Shopping (2:34:13–2:39:50) Adam Curry describes his use of Amazon's "talking stick" (Echo) and Instacart for household logistics in Austin, citing the convenience of reordering staples like shampoo and paper towels. John Dvorak remains skeptical, arguing that voice shopping removes the sensory experience and choice involved in physical shopping, such as selecting specific cuts of meat. They discuss the shift toward "paid slave" delivery models and the privacy implications of always-on microphones. Keywords: [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), [instacart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/instacart.md), voice shopping, [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), grocery delivery, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/45.md) ### 46. Sonos Privacy Policy and Smart Speaker Integration (2:39:51–2:42:36) Sonos updated its terms of service, stating that the company cannot guarantee its wireless speakers will function if users do not agree to new data tracking policies. Sonos plans to integrate multiple voice assistants, including Alexa, Google, and potentially Siri or Cortana, into its hardware. The hosts discuss the potential for these tech giants to engage in antitrust behavior as they battle for control of the smart home ecosystem. Keywords: [sonos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sonos.md), [privacy policy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy-policy.md), [smart speakers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-speakers.md), [antitrust](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antitrust.md), [siri](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/siri.md), [cortana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cortana.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/46.md) ### 47. Spotify's Unusual Direct Listing Plan on the NYSE (2:42:36–2:44:59) Spotify is reportedly planning to bypass a traditional Initial Public Offering (IPO) in favor of a direct listing on the New York Stock Exchange. This "end run" around the conventional route allows the company to list shares without an institutional underwriter like Goldman Sachs. The hosts question the viability of the music streaming business model, noting that Spotify continues to lose money despite its large user base. Keywords: [spotify](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spotify.md), [ipo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipo.md), [nyse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nyse.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [sec](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sec.md), [music streaming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/music-streaming.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/47.md) ### 48. Volkswagen Electric Microbus and Tesla Battery Issues (2:45:00–2:49:10) Volkswagen announced an electric version of its iconic microbus, which the hosts argue contradicts the original vehicle's theme of long-range freedom. They discuss the limitations of electric vehicles, including charging station congestion and the high cost of battery repairs. A listener report claims that the unprotected underside of Tesla vehicles makes them susceptible to catastrophic damage from road debris, potentially totaling the car. Keywords: [volkswagen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volkswagen.md), [electric vehicles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-vehicles.md), [tesla](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tesla.md), [lithium-ion batteries](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium-ion-batteries.md), [freedom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freedom.md), [charging stations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charging-stations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/48.md) ### 49. Media Gaffes and North Korean Nuclear Miniaturization (2:49:12–2:52:29) A PBS reporter accidentally referred to "Hillary Trump" during a report on the Phoenix rally. In international news, Colonel John Antal discussed reports that North Korea has successfully miniaturized nuclear warheads for ICBMs. Antal noted that President Obama was reportedly briefed on this capability a year ago, suggesting the "news" is being recycled to serve current political narratives. Keywords: [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [nuclear weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-weapons.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/49.md) ### 50. Death of Liz MacKean and Navy Ship Collisions (2:52:30–2:55:07) Liz MacKean, the BBC reporter who exposed the Jimmy Savile pedophilia scandal, has died at age 52. Meanwhile, the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker near Singapore, leaving ten sailors missing. This marks the second major collision involving a U.S. Navy destroyer in two months, leading to the dismissal of the commander of the 7th Fleet and a worldwide pause in Navy operations. Keywords: liz mackean, [jimmy savile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jimmy-savile.md), uss john s. mccain, [us navy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/us-navy.md), 7th fleet, [malacca strait](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/malacca-strait.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/50.md) ### 51. Mysterious Sonic Attacks on U.S. Diplomats in Cuba (2:55:08–2:58:39) U.S. diplomats in Havana, Cuba, have suffered from mysterious health issues, including hearing loss, memory loss, and traumatic brain injuries. The State Department expelled two Cuban diplomats in response to what it calls "health attacks" potentially caused by a sonic or directed energy device. The hosts recall previous instances of media reporters "babbling" on air as potential early tests of similar technology. Keywords: [cuba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cuba.md), [havana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/havana.md), sonic weapon, [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [brain injury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brain-injury.md), [directed energy weapon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/directed-energy-weapon.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/51.md) ### 52. Potential Cyber or EMP Interference in Navy Collisions (2:58:39–3:01:03) A producer whose stepson was aboard the USS John S. McCain reports that the ship suffered a "power failure to critical components" before the collision. The hosts speculate that the recent string of Navy accidents could be the result of experimental directed energy or EMP weapons being tested against U.S. vessels. They question how "mil-spec" hardened components could suffer such catastrophic failures in multiple incidents. Keywords: uss john s. mccain, [emp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emp.md), [cyber warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-warfare.md), power failure, [mil-spec](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mil-spec.md), [navy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/navy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/958-the-talking-stick/chapter/52.md) ### 53. No Agenda Sign-off and Episode 958 Outro (3:01:04–3:05:37) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude episode 958 by thanking the producers for their donations and support. They remind listeners of the upcoming Sunday show and encourage the propagation of the "No Agenda formula." 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