# We're All Terrorists Now > From the UK’s blacklist of American broadcasters to the rebranding of global warming, the line between dissent and extremism is being redrawn by government bureaucrats. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 95 - **Published:** 2009-05-07 - **Length:** 1h 17m - **Topics:** [Michael Savage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-savage.md), DHS Lexicon, [Swine Flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/swine-flu.md), [Monsanto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monsanto.md), EcoAmerica, [States Rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/states-rights.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now ## About this episode The UK Home Office and Home Secretary Jackie Smith have officially banned American radio host Michael Savage from entering the country, placing him on a restricted list alongside known terrorists and war criminals. This unprecedented move follows a legal dispute between Savage and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), sparking a fierce debate over the erosion of free speech and the subjective nature of international hate speech regulations. Leaked documents from the Department of Homeland Security reveal a new Domestic Extremism Lexicon that categorizes alternative media, the Patriot Movement, and tax resistance groups as potential non-Islamic threats. These definitions coincide with the World Health Organization raising the pandemic alert to level five, as the CDC conducts focus groups to determine the most effective public persona for managing the swine flu outbreak. Meanwhile, corporate influence reaches into the classroom as UK students are assigned research projects promoting Monsanto products, and environmental firm EcoAmerica advises activists to rebrand global warming as a deteriorating atmosphere to manipulate public perception. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the logistics of the MacGyver Bag and the utility of gaffer tape during a trip to San Francisco. Between critiques of a failed service experience at the Four Seasons and the bizarre live MSNBC coverage of Barack Obama ordering a cheeseburger, the duo examines why the Republican party is losing members to religious rigidity and the Texas Board of Education's latest stance on evolution. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/transcript.md. ### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak Travel Checklist Discussion (0:03–1:58) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from San Francisco and Silicon Valley. Dvorak describes his extensive travel checklist, which he developed to avoid forgetting essential items like belts or hardware. Curry, identifying as an airman rather than a pilot, claims to keep his checklist in his head, leading to a debate about travel preparedness. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), travel checklist, [pilot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pilot.md), airman [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Essential Travel Items and the MacGyver Bag Strategy (2:00–4:06) John C. Dvorak details specific items on his travel list, including antacids for air pressure changes, confirmation numbers, and a "black tie" for formal emergencies. Adam Curry counters by describing his "MacGyver Bag," a pre-packed kit containing all necessary gear that he never unpacks. Dvorak points out that Curry still managed to forget his fader buttons despite the bag strategy. Keywords: travel checklist, antacids, black tie, macgyver bag, fader buttons, power adapters [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Gaffer Tape Utility and Suitcase Packing Techniques (4:09–5:38) The discussion shifts to unconventional travel tools, such as gaffer tape and shoe spikes for ice. One host describes a technique of sticking strips of gaffer tape directly onto the back of a suitcase to save space and avoid carrying a full roll. The other host criticizes this method as looking "lame" and prefers carrying a full roll in a dedicated gear bag. Keywords: [gaffer tape](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaffer-tape.md), [packing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/packing.md), [suitcase](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suitcase.md), spikes for ice, cold weather gear [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Pre-Departure Processes and Identity Verification Requirements (5:40–8:13) A discussion on pre-travel routines covers household tasks like watering plants and checking the stove. The conversation moves to the necessity of carrying a valid driver's license, prompted by a story about being required to show ID and sign a waiver at a pharmacy to purchase decongestants. This requirement is linked to government efforts to track ingredients used in the manufacture of crystal meth. Keywords: drivers license, [pharmacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmacy.md), decongestants, [crystal meth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crystal-meth.md), [identity theft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/identity-theft.md), travel process [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Barack Obama Logo and Presidential Campaign Branding (8:13–10:49) Observations of President Barack Obama's public appearances reveal the use of a personal logo and the website BarackObama.com on his podium instead of the traditional presidential seal. The hosts question the legality and ethics of a sitting president continuing to solicit donations and maintain a campaign-style staff. This shift is characterized as a new standard in presidential branding and communication. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [presidential seal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/presidential-seal.md), [branding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/branding.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [re-election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/re-election.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/5.md) ### 6. MSNBC Breaking News Coverage of Presidential Hamburgers (10:50–12:34) MSNBC is criticized for treating a lunch outing by Barack Obama and Joe Biden as a "breaking news" event. The network provided live coverage and audio of the pair ordering cheeseburgers and fries, which the hosts cite as an example of the declining quality of cable news. The segment highlights the perceived triviality of modern media cycles. Keywords: [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [breaking news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/breaking-news.md), [media criticism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-criticism.md), hamburger [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Elizabeth Edwards Oprah Interview and John Edwards Scandal (12:36–14:51) Elizabeth Edwards appeared on Oprah to discuss her husband John Edwards' infidelity and the child he fathered with another woman during his presidential campaign. The hosts discuss reports that campaign staff were aware of the situation and express relief that he did not reach the presidency. An anecdote about a "red phone" connected to the White House is shared as a childhood memory. Keywords: [elizabeth edwards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elizabeth-edwards.md), [john edwards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-edwards.md), [oprah winfrey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oprah-winfrey.md), [infidelity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infidelity.md), campaign scandal, [show business](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/show-business.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Air Force One New York City Photo Op Controversy (14:54–17:44) The White House refused to release photos from a $300,000 Air Force One photo op over New York City, citing national security. Speculation arises that the flight was a "joyride" for political insiders and friends rather than a strictly professional mission. The lack of transparency regarding the event is contrasted with President Obama's earlier promises of an open administration. Keywords: [air force one](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-force-one.md), 747 flyby, [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Republican Party Polling Decline and Political Affiliation (17:44–19:24) Recent polling indicates that only 20% of Americans identify as Republicans, a sharp decline attributed to the party's perceived takeover by extreme factions. The hosts discuss the distinction between being a conservative and being a Republican. They also remind the audience that the United States is not strictly a two-party system, encouraging the exploration of alternative political affiliations. Keywords: [republican party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republican-party.md), [gop](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gop.md), [polls](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/polls.md), [conservatism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conservatism.md), [two-party system](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/two-party-system.md), [political identity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-identity.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Chris Matthews Evolution Debate with Representative Mike Pence (19:24–20:53) A clip from MSNBC's Hardball features Chris Matthews questioning a Republican representative from Indiana about his belief in evolution. The representative avoids a direct answer, instead affirming a belief that God created the heavens and the earth. The hosts analyze the representative's hesitation and the tension between religious beliefs and scientific education in political discourse. Keywords: [chris matthews](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-matthews.md), [mike pence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pence.md), [evolution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evolution.md), [hardball](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hardball.md), [indiana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indiana.md), [creationism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/creationism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Religious Ideology and Republican Party Leadership (21:04–23:41) The Republican Party is described as being increasingly influenced by a minority of evangelical Christians who believe in a 6,000-year-old Earth. This ideological shift is compared to the Taliban in its rigidity, particularly in states like Texas and California. The hosts argue that this religious focus makes the party less competitive in general elections and alienates moderate voters. Keywords: [republican party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republican-party.md), [evangelical christians](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evangelical-christians.md), george gilder, [taliban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taliban.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Texas Board of Education Evolution Curriculum Controversy (23:42–26:28) The Texas Board of Education recently voted on measures that critics say attempt to push evolution out of the school curriculum in favor of creationist doctrines. Despite scientific consensus, polls suggest nearly half of the U.S. public does not believe in evolution. The hosts discuss how religious infighting among different denominations further complicates the party's ability to focus on fiscal issues like balancing the budget. Keywords: texas board of education, [evolution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evolution.md), [curriculum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/curriculum.md), [creationism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/creationism.md), [public opinion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-opinion.md), [religion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/religion.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Monsanto Corporate Indoctrination in UK Schools (26:29–28:51) A 16-year-old student from the UK reports that his GCSE chemistry class was assigned to research Monsanto's "better way" of making weed killers and improving farming. The student expresses concern over corporate indoctrination within the education system. The hosts attribute this to effective marketing by Monsanto, targeting teachers with educational materials and promotional items. Keywords: [monsanto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monsanto.md), uk education, gcse, weed killer, [farming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/farming.md), corporate marketing [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Mandelbrot Set and 1976 Swine Flu Anniversary (28:52–29:50) A donor note clarifies the significance of the year 1976, noting it as the year of the original swine flu outbreak and the year Benoit Mandelbrot began his work on the Mandelbrot set of fractals. The hosts briefly discuss the nature of fractals and the historical context of the 1976 health crisis. Keywords: benoit mandelbrot, [fractals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fractals.md), 1976 swine flu, david cost, [mathematics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mathematics.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Sponsor segment: No Agenda Producer Donations and Rush Fandom (29:53–33:08) The hosts acknowledge recent donations from listeners, noting specific amounts like $1776 and $1701. A discussion about the band Rush ensues, noting their dedicated fan base despite a lack of airplay on MTV. The hosts also recall MTV's refusal to play New Kids on the Block during the height of their popularity. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), [rush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rush.md), [mtv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mtv.md), marky mark, new kids on the block [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/15.md) ### 16. WHO Pandemic Levels and Swine Flu Beta Test (33:11–34:41) The World Health Organization raised the pandemic alert level to five, indicating a pandemic is imminent. While the current swine flu outbreak in the US is being treated as seasonal, reports from the UK suggest a more lethal strain may emerge in the autumn. The hosts speculate that the current situation is a "beta test" for a larger health event later in the year. Keywords: [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), [swine flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/swine-flu.md), [pandemic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pandemic.md), [uk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk.md), [seasonal flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seasonal-flu.md), [beta test](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beta-test.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Tamiflu Stockpiles and CDC Spokesperson Focus Groups (34:43–37:42) The hosts discuss the financial benefits for pharmaceutical companies like Roche following the swine flu outbreak, noting that George W. Bush had previously stockpiled billions of dollars worth of Tamiflu. They suggest the CDC is using various spokespeople to test which "persona"—from doctors to military-style officials—is most effective in public focus groups. Keywords: [tamiflu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tamiflu.md), [donald rumsfeld](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-rumsfeld.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [vaccines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccines.md), [roche](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roche.md), [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Four Seasons Restaurant Review and Service Failures (37:42–40:43) A review of a meal at the Four Seasons restaurant highlights several service failures, including a forgotten doggy bag and a lack of sommelier expertise. The hosts describe an incident where a server failed to pour the last half-glass of wine from a bottle. Despite the high cost, the overall experience was deemed a "fail" due to these lapses in attentive service. Keywords: [four seasons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/four-seasons.md), [restaurant review](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/restaurant-review.md), [sommelier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sommelier.md), [wine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wine.md), [service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/service.md), doggy bag [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/18.md) ### 19. San Francisco Steakhouse Comparison and Yelp Reviews (40:43–43:04) The hosts compare the Four Seasons steakhouse to other Bay Area establishments, noting that while the meat was high quality, the atmosphere felt more like a Marriott than a luxury hotel. They discuss Yelp reviews that praised the service, though their own experience was mixed. The high cost of the meal, including a $120 bottle of wine, led to a conclusion that the restaurant lacked value for the money. Keywords: steakhouse, [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [yelp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yelp.md), porterhouse, [marriott](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marriott.md), restaurant vibe [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Champagne Preferences and Henriot Tasting (43:05–44:26) During a dinner with a guest from Holland, a debate arose regarding the quality of Henriot champagne. One host found it exceptionally smooth, while the guest preferred a "chalkier" style of champagne. The segment touches on different regional preferences for sparkling wine and the high cost of premium brands like Dom Perignon. Keywords: [champagne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/champagne.md), henriot, [dom perignon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dom-perignon.md), [tasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tasting.md), wine style [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/20.md) ### 21. European Perceptions of American Politics and EU Sovereignty (44:26–47:22) A discussion with a European guest highlights the confusion abroad regarding American social issues, such as the coexistence of a Black president and opposition to gay marriage. The hosts explain the concept of states' rights, which they argue is misunderstood in Europe. They also criticize the European Union's Lisbon Treaty for eroding national sovereignty, citing regulations on Swedish jam labels and French Roquefort cheese. Keywords: [gay marriage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gay-marriage.md), [states rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/states-rights.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [lisbon treaty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisbon-treaty.md), [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), roquefort cheese [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Michael Savage UK Entry Ban and CARE Controversy (47:25–51:25) The UK Home Office, led by Jackie Smith, included American radio host Michael Savage on a list of individuals banned from entering the country. Savage was listed alongside terrorists and war criminals for alleged "hate speech." The hosts suggest the ban was orchestrated by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CARE) as payback for a previous legal dispute Savage won against the organization. Keywords: [michael savage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-savage.md), [jackie smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jackie-smith.md), uk home office, [care](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/care.md), [hate speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-speech.md), [geert wilders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geert-wilders.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Media Silence on Michael Savage and Fox News (51:25–53:24) Despite the implications for free speech, Fox News has reportedly refused to cover the story of Michael Savage being banned from the UK. Savage is currently suing UK Home Secretary Jackie Smith for libel. The hosts find the lack of coverage from conservative media outlets strange, given Savage's prominence in the industry and the nature of the government's actions. Keywords: [michael savage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-savage.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [free press](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-press.md), [libel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libel.md), [uk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk.md), [media coverage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-coverage.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Hate Speech Regulations and Constitutional Protections (53:26–55:13) The hosts debate the nebulous nature of "hate speech" regulations and their conflict with the U.S. Constitution. They argue that defining hate is subjective and could lead to the criminalization of simple criticism or dislike. The discussion explores the boundaries between protected speech, verbal abuse, and physical assault. Keywords: [hate speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-speech.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [first amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-amendment.md), verbal abuse, [legal definition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/legal-definition.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/24.md) ### 25. DHS Domestic Extremism Lexicon and Alternative Media (55:14–58:49) A leaked Department of Homeland Security document titled the "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" provides definitions for potential threats, including "alternative media." The document is intended for use by law enforcement and "fusion centers" to identify non-Islamic extremist threats. The hosts note that their own program fits the DHS definition of alternative media, which is characterized as providing interpretations that differ from mass media. Keywords: [department of homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-homeland-security.md), [dhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhs.md), [domestic extremism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/domestic-extremism.md), [alternative media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-media.md), [fusion centers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fusion-centers.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Categorization of Extremist Groups and Patriot Movement (58:49–1:03:06) The DHS lexicon includes a wide range of groups, from "green anarchists" and "hacktivists" to the "Patriot Movement." The document defines the Patriot Movement as right-wing extremists who link their beliefs to the American Revolution and reject federal authority. The hosts express concern that mainstream political views, such as anti-globalism and support for states' rights, are being criminalized as extremist. Keywords: [patriot movement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-movement.md), anti-globalism, [hacktivism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hacktivism.md), [militias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/militias.md), [sovereign citizens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sovereign-citizens.md), [dhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhs.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Phineas Priesthood and Tax Resistance Movements (1:03:07–1:06:24) The DHS document highlights the "Phineas Priesthood," a group that uses biblical justification for interracial killing and violence. It also targets the "Tax Resistance Movement," which argues that income taxes are unconstitutional. The hosts note the addition of "Explosives" to the ATF's name (now ATFE) and criticize the government's broad categorization of dissent as a precursor to terrorism. Keywords: phineas priesthood, tax resistance, [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md), atfe, 16th amendment, [extremism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/extremism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Sponsor segment: No Agenda Forums and Creative Producer Contributions (1:06:25–1:09:23) The hosts promote the No Agenda Forums and a new news contest hosted there. They call for more creative contributions from the audience, such as show artwork and jingles, noting that these elements have recently declined. A new "Knights of No Agenda" jingle is played, and the hosts emphasize the importance of listener-produced content for the show's identity. Keywords: [no agenda forums](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-forums.md), [jingles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jingles.md), [artwork](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/artwork.md), [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md), news contest, bubba [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/28.md) ### 29. Sponsor segment: Podcast Distribution and the Value of Public Support (1:09:26–1:12:36) Adam Curry discusses the technical challenges of using FM transmitters in cars and the benefits of burning shows to CDs. The hosts defend their "value-for-value" funding model against critics who claim they ask for money too often. They compare their model to PBS, arguing that listener support creates a more intense and involved "producer" relationship with the audience. Keywords: [nokia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nokia.md), fm transmitter, [gaffer tape](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaffer-tape.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/95-we-re-all-terrorists-now/chapter/29.md) ### 30. EcoAmerica and Global Warming Language Rebranding (1:12:37–1:14:56) A New York Times article by John Broder reveals that the environmental marketing firm EcoAmerica is advising activists to rebrand "global warming" to avoid negative connotations. Suggested new terms include "deteriorating atmosphere" and "pollution reduction refund" instead of "cap and trade." The hosts analyze this as a sophisticated public relations effort to manipulate public perception through language. 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