# Bagels & Bins

> Military escalations in Afghanistan and the Korean Peninsula collide with domestic unrest in Berkeley and a high-stakes power grab by Turkey’s President Erdogan.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 921
- **Published:** 2017-04-16
- **Length:** 3h 4m
- **Topics:** MOAB strike, [North Korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), Berkeley protests, [White Helmets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-helmets.md), [Erdogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/erdogan.md), Dodge Demon, [Mastodon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mastodon.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins

## About this episode

The U.S. Air Force deployed a GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, against an ISIS-K tunnel complex in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar Province. General John Nicholson confirmed the strike targeted a subterranean network allegedly constructed by the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War. This escalation coincides with the testing of an inert B61-12 nuclear gravity bomb and the deployment of a naval armada toward the Korean Peninsula as tensions with Kim Jong Un reach a fever pitch.

In Berkeley, California, violent clashes erupted between anti-fascist groups and pro-Trump demonstrators, characterized by protesters throwing bagels and eggs during what observers described as live-action role playing. Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad dismissed reports of chemical weapon use in Khan Sheikhoun as a fabrication, despite claims from the White Helmets and scrutiny of the Bana Alabed Twitter account. In Turkey, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan moves toward a constitutional referendum to consolidate power within his 1,000-room presidential palace, while Hungary completes a second barbed-wire border fence to block the Western Balkan migrant route.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deconstruct the linguistic oddities of Easter Sunday and the German Lutheran origins of the Easter Hare. The duo examines the Dodge Challenger Demon’s 840-horsepower debut and the technical superiority of XLR connectors over USB microphones. The episode concludes with a comedic reflection on the "I Got Ants" audio mix and the ritual hazing of new Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/transcript.md.

### 1. Easter Sunday Traditions and Religious Grammar (0:00–2:09)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the Easter Sunday episode from Austin and Silicon Valley. They discuss the linguistic curiosity of the phrase "He is risen" appearing on social media statuses. The conversation touches on the branding of Jesus Christ and the timing of military actions during a religious holiday.

Keywords: [easter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/easter.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [bible](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bible.md), [grammar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grammar.md), [facebag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebag.md), jesus branding

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Easter Bunny Origins, Hares, and German Lutheran Folklore (2:10–5:27)

The history of the Easter Bunny is traced back to 1600s German Lutheran traditions where an "Easter Hare" judged the behavior of children. Differences between hares and bunnies are explained, noting that hares live above ground and run at high speeds. The tradition of colored eggs is linked to breaking the fast of Lent, while the hare's association with the Virgin Mary stems from ancient beliefs about its reproductive biology.

Keywords: [easter bunny](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/easter-bunny.md), hare, german lutherans, [lent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lent.md), georg von frankenow, [folklore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/folklore.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/2.md)

### 3. White House Easter Egg Roll Planning and Logistics (5:28–8:08)

Reports from the New York Times suggest the Trump administration faced planning delays for the annual White House Easter Egg Roll. Despite rumors of a "select few" attending, historical data indicates the event draws approximately 35,000 people to the South Lawn. The commemorative wooden eggs are supplied by a company called Wells Wood and Turning.

Keywords: [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), easter egg roll, [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), south lawn, wells wood and turning

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Berkeley Protests, Antifa Clashes, and Police Response (8:08–15:46)

Violent clashes occurred in Berkeley, California, between pro-Trump demonstrators and anti-fascist groups. Media reports describe protesters throwing bagels and eggs while engaging in "live action role playing" or LARPing. Berkeley police officials defended their hands-off approach during the skirmishes, stating they would review video surveillance to issue future arrest warrants.

Keywords: [berkeley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berkeley.md), [antifa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antifa.md), pro-trump, jenna lane, byron white, [larping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/larping.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Tax Day Protests and Global Military Tensions (15:47–17:21)

Protesters gathered on Tax Day to demand the release of President Trump's tax returns. The hosts compare these modern protests to 1970s anarchy movements in Amsterdam, finding the current focus on tax returns trivial compared to escalating tensions with North Korea. A U.S. naval armada is reportedly heading toward the Korean Peninsula as saber-rattling increases.

Keywords: [tax day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-day.md), [tax returns](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-returns.md), [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [armada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/armada.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [anarchy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anarchy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/5.md)

### 6. GBU-43 MOAB Deployment in Afghanistan Cave Complexes (17:22–21:50)

The U.S. military dropped a GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB), known as the "Mother of All Bombs," on an ISIS tunnel complex in eastern Afghanistan. General John Nicholson confirmed the tactical strike was intended to collapse caves and eliminate fighters without civilian casualties. CNN and Deutsche Welle provided coverage featuring local Afghans describing the massive concussion of the blast.

Keywords: [moab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moab.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [isis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isis.md), [barbara starr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-starr.md), general nicholson, [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/6.md)

### 7. CIA Cave Construction and Afghanistan Mineral Rights (21:51–25:51)

Speculation arises regarding the origins of the Afghanistan cave complexes, with suggestions they were built by the CIA for the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan War. The discussion explores whether the bombing serves a secondary purpose related to securing mineral rights for lithium and other rare earth elements. Russia's claim of possessing a "Father of All Bombs" (FOAB) that is four times more powerful is also noted.

Keywords: [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [mujahideen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mujahideen.md), [lithium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium.md), [mining](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mining.md), [poppies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poppies.md), father of all bombs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Media Pool Reporting and Translation Discrepancies (25:51–28:21)

A comparison of news reports from CNN and Deutsche Welle reveals the use of identical soundbites from Afghan witnesses. The hosts critique the "cheap jack" nature of modern media translation and pool reporting. They suggest that the emotional weight of the reporting is often manufactured through specific audio "sweetening" and translation choices.

Keywords: [deutsche welle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deutsche-welle.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), pool reporting, [translation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/translation.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Inert Nuclear Gravity Bomb and Kinetic Energy Weapons (28:21–30:35)

The U.S. Air Force recently announced a successful test of an inert B61-12 nuclear gravity bomb. While the test occurred a month prior, the announcement coincided with other military displays. Additionally, the U.S. Army is reportedly developing new kinetic energy weapons to counter Russian nuclear technology.

Keywords: b61-12, nuclear gravity bomb, inert, [us air force](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/us-air-force.md), kinetic energy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Rail Gun Technology and Tactical Nuclear Yields (30:36–33:59)

The mechanics of rail gun technology are discussed, focusing on the use of massive magnetic fields to launch projectiles at 9,000 feet per second. The conversation compares the 11-ton TNT yield of the MOAB to the 13-kiloton Hiroshima bomb and the Davy Crockett tactical nuke. The hosts clarify the significant difference between tons and kilotons in explosive yields.

Keywords: rail gun, [magnetic field](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/magnetic-field.md), [tnt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tnt.md), [hiroshima](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hiroshima.md), davy crockett

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/10.md)

### 11. North Korea Missile Misfire and Pyongyang Military Parade (34:00–39:22)

North Korea attempted a missile launch that reportedly failed immediately after takeoff. This followed a massive military parade in Pyongyang celebrating the birth of Kim Il-sung, where new long-range ballistic missiles and ICBMs were displayed. CBS reporter Ben Tracy provided on-the-ground coverage of the parade, noting the defiant rhetoric from North Korean officials toward the Trump administration.

Keywords: [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [pyongyang](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pyongyang.md), [kim jong un](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kim-jong-un.md), [icbm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/icbm.md), [ben tracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ben-tracy.md), [missile test](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/missile-test.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Preemptive Strike Risks and Regional Geopolitics (39:22–41:46)

Expert Gunter Knabe analyzes the "tinderbox" situation on the Korean Peninsula, warning that a U.S. preemptive strike would lead to a regional catastrophe. The proximity of Seoul to the North Korean border makes military action extremely risky. There is concern that any "warning action" similar to the strike in Syria could draw China into a direct conflict.

Keywords: gunter knabe, [seoul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seoul.md), [preemptive strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/preemptive-strike.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Kim Jong Un and Nuclear Test Threats (41:48–44:15)

North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Han Song-ryeol stated that the country is prepared to conduct its sixth nuclear test at the leadership's discretion. He warned that North Korea would use nuclear weapons for a preemptive strike if they felt a real threat from the United States. China has urged both sides to cease threats, stating there would be no winners in a war.

Keywords: [kim jong un](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kim-jong-un.md), han song-ryeol, [nuclear test](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-test.md), [preemptive strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/preemptive-strike.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/13.md)

### 14. U.S. Military Strategy and Elephant Walks (44:16–47:47)

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis is pursuing a diplomatic approach with international partners to diffuse North Korean tensions. The U.S. Air Force performed an "elephant walk" with 22 F-15s at Kadena Air Base in Japan as a show of force. Military analysts suggest that while the U.S. could launch a devastating attack, it cannot fully protect Seoul from retaliatory salvos.

Keywords: [jim mattis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jim-mattis.md), elephant walk, [f-15](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/f-15.md), kadena air base, [guam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guam.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Cyber Attack Threats and Power Grid Protection (47:48–50:15)

Former CIA Director James Woolsey is working with DARPA and BAE Systems to map a system capable of detecting cyber attacks on the U.S. electric grid. The project aims to create alternative communication networks if the primary grid is compromised. The hosts express skepticism about the timeline, noting the system won't be ready until 2020, and discuss the vulnerability of major internet backbones like Verizon and Comcast.

Keywords: [james woolsey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-woolsey.md), [darpa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darpa.md), [bae systems](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bae-systems.md), [cyber attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-attack.md), [power grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-grid.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Diplomatic Solutions for North and South Korea (50:16–52:50)

The discussion shifts to the possibility of President Trump negotiating a peace deal to reunify North and South Korea, similar to the German model. Citing insights from Don Gregg, the hosts argue that the military-industrial complex benefits from continued tension to sell weapons to South Korea. The political vacuum following the impeachment of South Korean President Park Geun-hye complicates potential negotiations.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [don gregg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/don-gregg.md), [military industrial complex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-industrial-complex.md), [park geun-hye](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/park-geun-hye.md), [reunification](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reunification.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Aleppo Convoy Bombing and White Helmets (52:52–54:20)

A car bomb targeting a convoy of evacuees near Aleppo, Syria, killed over 100 people. The White Helmets reported removing bodies from the scene, while state media provided lower casualty counts. The victims were residents from pro-regime villages who had been stalled in a transfer deal. The hosts contrast the high death toll of this "cheap" car bomb with the expensive MOAB strike in Afghanistan.

Keywords: [aleppo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aleppo.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [white helmets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-helmets.md), evacuees, [car bomb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/car-bomb.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Swedish Doctors for Human Rights Critique White Helmets (54:20–56:00)

The director of Swedish Doctors for Human Rights has criticized the White Helmets, claiming their life-saving procedures shown in videos are non-medical and counterproductive. The organization also points to evidence of coordinated video uploads between the White Helmets and the Al-Nusra Front. These allegations suggest a propaganda link between the "rescue" group and militant rebels.

Keywords: swedish doctors for human rights, [white helmets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-helmets.md), [al-nusra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-nusra.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Bana Alabed Twitter Account and Pro-War Rhetoric (56:00–59:28)

The Twitter account of Syrian child Bana Alabed is scrutinized for posting sophisticated political messages in English. Recent tweets praised Bill Kristol and urged President Trump to buy more F-35 fighter jets. The hosts suggest the account is a manufactured propaganda tool used to influence Western public opinion in favor of military intervention.

Keywords: [bana alabed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bana-alabed.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [bill kristol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-kristol.md), [f-35](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/f-35.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Bashar al-Assad Denies Chemical Weapons Use (59:29–1:01:10)

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad denied ordering a chemical attack, stating that Syria relinquished its chemical arsenal years ago. He characterized the reports of the Khan Sheikhoun incident as a 100% fabrication by the West and Al-Qaeda to provide a pretext for U.S. strikes. Assad questioned the validity of the evidence and the status of the reported victims.

Keywords: [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [chemical weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemical-weapons.md), khan sheikhoun, [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [fabrication](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fabrication.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Wall Street Journal vs. Obama Administration on Syria (1:01:11–1:05:47)

A conflict has emerged between the Wall Street Journal and former Obama administration officials regarding Syria's chemical weapons stockpile. Columnist Bret Stephens argues that the Obama administration knew Assad was cheating on the 2013 agreement while publicly claiming 100% of the weapons were removed. Former National Security Advisor Susan Rice and DNI Jim Clapper are cited as having maintained the "illusion" of a defanged Assad.

Keywords: [wall street journal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street-journal.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), jim clapper, [sarin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarin.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Antony Blinken Defends 2013 Syria Chemical Deal (1:05:48–1:09:24)

Former Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken defended the 2013 agreement, noting that 1,300 tons of declared chemicals were destroyed by the OPCW. He acknowledged that the administration always had concerns about "gaps" in Syria's declaration. Blinken pointed out that the deal was successful enough for Israel to discontinue its national civilian gas mask program.

Keywords: [antony blinken](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antony-blinken.md), [opcw](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opcw.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [gas masks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gas-masks.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/22.md)

### 23. MiniScribe Brick Scandal and Corporate Fraud (1:09:25–1:12:03)

A historical corporate scandal involving the disk drive company MiniScribe is recounted. In 1987, executives attempted to hide inventory shortages by packing 26,000 bricks into hard drive boxes and shipping them to Singapore. This massive cover-up eventually led to the company's downfall and serves as a metaphor for deceptive "show" operations in politics and industry.

Keywords: miniscribe, [hard drives](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hard-drives.md), [bricks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bricks.md), [colorado](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colorado.md), corporate fraud

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Melania Trump and Asma al-Assad Peace Script (1:12:03–1:15:49)

A satirical "script" is proposed where Melania Trump and Asma al-Assad meet in Paris to resolve the Syrian conflict. The hosts imagine the two "fashion icon" wives of world leaders brokering a deal that their husbands could not. This hypothetical summit would involve a high-level meeting at a neutral location like Pierre's to "re-strike" the geopolitical situation.

Keywords: [melania trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/melania-trump.md), [asma al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/asma-al-assad.md), [paris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paris.md), peace summit, [vogue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vogue.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Show Production and Josatorium Artwork (1:15:50–1:17:20)

The hosts acknowledge the show's artwork provided by Josatorium, which featured a "meatloaf" theme and a binary gag. They discuss the positive listener feedback regarding the "call forward" joke and the impact the show has on its audience, even on holidays.

Keywords: josatorium, [meatloaf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meatloaf.md), binary gag, [artwork](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/artwork.md), [producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producer.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Executive Producer Donations and Knighting Ceremony (1:17:21–1:21:21)

A segment dedicated to the show's "Value for Value" model features significant donations from listeners. The Grand Duke from Tigard, Oregon, and James York are recognized for their contributions. New knights, including the Knight of Steel and Oystein Berge, are officially inducted into the No Agenda Roundtable.

Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [grand duke](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grand-duke.md), tigard oregon, james york, knight of steel

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Professional Audio Gear and XLR Connectors (1:21:22–1:23:57)

A technical discussion ensues regarding the importance of professional XLR connectors over "dipshit" USB connectors for microphones. The hosts explain that XLR cables are balanced, shielded, and designed for low impedance to prevent accidental disconnection. They share anecdotes about tripping over cables and the need for "roadies" to tape down equipment.

Keywords: at2020, xlr, usb microphone, impedance, roger daltrey

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Brown Bag Lunch Racism Controversy (1:23:58–1:28:54)

A listener and federal contractor reports that "brown bag lunches" are being banned in some government workplaces due to perceived racist connotations. The "brown bag test" was historically used to compare skin tones in the African American community. The hosts express skepticism about the extent of the ban but discuss the "trickle-down madness" of bureaucracy and political correctness.

Keywords: brown bag test, [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md), [steph curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steph-curry.md), draymond green, [bill nye](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-nye.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Self-Identity, Minorities, and Millennial Victimhood (1:28:55–1:32:08)

A discussion on the trend of self-identifying as a minority explores the theory that institutions encourage this to "gin up" diversity numbers in reports. The hosts argue that the Millennial generation values "victim credentials" and unique labels to feel special. One host jokes about identifying as a "Vol" (Vulcan) to highlight the perceived absurdity of modern identity politics.

Keywords: [ready kilowatt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ready-kilowatt.md), vulcan, minorities, [millennials](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/millennials.md), victim credentials

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Self-Publishing and Young Adult Fiction (1:32:08–1:36:10)

Sir Nacho discusses his experience self-publishing a young adult science fiction novel over four years. John Dvorak provides advice on the difference between "packaging" a book and "publishing" it, noting that a well-produced product can eventually be picked up by major distributors. The author credits "deconstruction skills" learned from the show for helping him complete the project.

Keywords: [self-publishing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/self-publishing.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), [packaging](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/packaging.md), [science fiction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/science-fiction.md), young adult

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Danny Bonaduce and the Fall to Podcasting (1:36:11–1:38:24)

The National Enquirer features a story on Danny Bonaduce's "rock bottom" fall from child stardom to becoming a radio DJ. Adam Curry, having worked with Bonaduce at MTV, jokes that the only thing lower than a radio DJ is a podcaster. The hosts reflect on the public perception of their medium compared to traditional broadcast roles.

Keywords: [danny bonaduce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/danny-bonaduce.md), [national enquirer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-enquirer.md), partridge family, radio dj, [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Jeffrey Lord and the MLK Health Care Comparison (1:38:24–1:43:20)

CNN commentator Jeffrey Lord sparked controversy by comparing Donald Trump to Martin Luther King Jr. regarding health care tactics. Lord argued that both used the strategy of letting a situation reach a crisis point to force negotiations. Former Bernie Sanders campaign manager Simone Sanders strongly rebuked the comparison, citing the difference between civil rights struggles and political maneuvering.

Keywords: [jeffrey lord](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-lord.md), [simone sanders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/simone-sanders.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [martin luther king jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/martin-luther-king-jr.md), [health care](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-care.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Don Lemon and the CNN "Apology" Script (1:43:21–1:50:38)

A heated exchange on CNN featured Don Lemon and other "People of Color" (POC) demanding an apology from Jeffrey Lord for his MLK comparison. The hosts deconstruct the segment as a "scripted 10-minute play" designed to manufacture racial tension. They critique the use of terms like "privilege" and "racial blind spots" as manipulative tools used by the network to avoid actual debate.

Keywords: [don lemon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/don-lemon.md), [jeffrey lord](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-lord.md), poc, [privilege](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privilege.md), [scripted media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scripted-media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Mastodon Federation and the "No Agenda" Blacklist (1:50:40–1:55:52)

The "No Agenda" community on the Mastodon social network is reportedly being targeted by "No Borders, No Nations" activists who want to block the server. Despite the decentralized nature of the platform, some admins are circulating blacklists to prevent "No Agenda" users from federating with other instances. The hosts point out the irony of "no borders" activists demanding digital firewalls and blocks.

Keywords: [mastodon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mastodon.md), [noagendasocial.com](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/noagendasocial-com.md), [social justice warriors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-justice-warriors.md), [blacklist](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blacklist.md), [federation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Sea Lioning and Digital Xenophobia (1:55:53–1:58:12)

The term "sea lioning" is introduced, referring to a comic strip where a sea lion incessantly demands civil conversation and evidence to annoy others. The hosts discuss how Mastodon instances use "Terms of Service" to ban xenophobia and homophobia, questioning how an "open system" can function if it pre-emptively blocks certain viewpoints or feelings.

Keywords: sea lioning, wondermark, [xenophobia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xenophobia.md), [terms of service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terms-of-service.md), open systems

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Loli Art and Obscenity Laws on Federated Servers (1:58:13–2:04:20)

The legal implications of hosting "Loli art" (anime-style depictions of minors) on federated servers are explored under 18 U.S. Code 1466. The hosts discuss whether caching such images makes a server admin liable for distributing obscene material. They compare the scrutiny of small Mastodon servers to the massive amounts of adult content hosted on platforms like Yahoo and Tumblr.

Keywords: loli art, 18 u.s. code 1466, obscenity, [yahoo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yahoo.md), [tumblr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tumblr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Naomi Klein and the Trump Hotel Boycott (2:04:25–2:09:04)

Activist Naomi Klein is promoting a "nuisance" strategy to disrupt Donald Trump's businesses, including making and then canceling hotel reservations. The hosts mock the idea, noting that credit card cancellation fees would likely benefit the Trump Organization. Klein's suggestions are viewed as ineffective compared to the "World of Warcraft" and "weed" culture of modern protesters.

Keywords: [naomi klein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/naomi-klein.md), trump hotels, [boycott](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boycott.md), [epa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epa.md), nuisance tactics

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Chris Matthews and the Hitler Chemical Weapon Claim (2:09:05–2:15:07)

A 2013 clip of Chris Matthews claiming Hitler never used chemical weapons is resurfaced to contrast with the recent media outrage over Sean Spicer's similar comments. The hosts discuss why Matthews received a "pass" while Spicer was excoriated. They also touch on the sensitivity of jokes regarding Jewish control of media and the different standards applied to Saturday Night Live.

Keywords: [chris matthews](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-matthews.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [hitler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hitler.md), [chemical weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemical-weapons.md), [world war ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-ii.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Fat Shaming and Atlanta Strip Club Culture (2:15:07–2:18:36)

The hosts discuss a "fat shaming" comment comparing someone to an "Atlanta stripper." This leads to a digression about the cultural history of strip clubs in Atlanta, specifically the rivalry between Methodists and Baptists. Famous clubs like The Gold Club and Cheetah are mentioned in the context of the city's reputation.

Keywords: [fat shaming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fat-shaming.md), [atlanta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlanta.md), [strip clubs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strip-clubs.md), gold club, cheetah

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Borussia Dortmund Bus Bombing and Soccer Extremism (2:18:37–2:24:16)

German authorities are investigating a bombing targeting the Borussia Dortmund soccer team bus. While initial letters suggested an Islamist motive, experts now believe they were forgeries intended to frame Islamists. Investigators are looking into right-wing and left-wing extremist groups, including potential links to rival soccer fans from Leipzig. An Iraqi man was arrested but reportedly not in connection with the bus attack.

Keywords: borussia dortmund, [soccer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soccer.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [false flag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/false-flag.md), [leipzig](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leipzig.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Hungary Border Fence and EU Migrant Ultimatum (2:24:17–2:25:43)

Hungary is building a second barbed-wire fence on its southern border to block the "Western Balkan route" for refugees. The European Union has issued an ultimatum to Hungary to accept more migrants or face consequences. Estimates suggest over 6 million people are waiting to enter the EU as "spring is coming" and migration patterns increase.

Keywords: [hungary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hungary.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [migrant crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migrant-crisis.md), [border fence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/border-fence.md), [balkan route](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/balkan-route.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Turkey Referendum and Erdogan's Power Grab (2:25:44–2:30:12)

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is seeking sweeping new powers through a constitutional referendum. Critics fear the changes will lead to a dictatorship, while Erdogan claims they are necessary for stability following a failed coup. The vote comes amid high tension with the EU and a "climate of fear" involving the arrest of thousands of judges, journalists, and academics.

Keywords: [recep tayyip erdogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recep-tayyip-erdogan.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [referendum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/referendum.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [authoritarianism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/authoritarianism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Erdogan's Presidential Palace and Sultan Ambitions (2:30:12–2:34:09)

CBS News reporter Holly Williams describes Erdogan's new 1,000-room presidential palace as a symbol of his imperial ambitions. The architecture and the presence of guards in traditional Ottoman-era garb suggest a desire to be a "modern-day sultan." The mass purge of political enemies continues to divide the NATO ally.

Keywords: [recep tayyip erdogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recep-tayyip-erdogan.md), presidential palace, sultan, [holly williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/holly-williams.md), [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Sanjay Gupta and the Flu Pandemic Native Ad (2:34:11–2:37:45)

CNN featured a "native ad" sponsored by Johnson & Johnson, presented as a news story by Dr. Sanjay Gupta about an impending flu pandemic. The report warns that a mutated virus from birds or pigs could "bring humanity to its knees." The hosts critique the segment as a "sketchy" setup for future pharmaceutical sales or government control.

Keywords: [sanjay gupta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanjay-gupta.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [johnson & johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/johnson-johnson.md), flu pandemic, [native advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-advertising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Value for Value Donations and Knighting Ceremony (2:37:48–2:49:22)

The second donation segment features a wide range of listener contributions, including "meatloaf" donations based on ASCII codes. Several new knights are dubbed, including Sir Bruce Cigar and Sir William Wallace. The hosts thank the "producers" for their financial support, which allows the show to remain independent of traditional corporate media constraints.

Keywords: [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [meatloaf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meatloaf.md), [ascii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ascii.md), nicaraguan cigars

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Birthday Announcements and Neil Gorsuch's "Hazing" (2:49:26–2:53:33)

After reading listener birthdays, the hosts discuss the swearing-in of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Media reports highlight the "clerical functions" the junior justice must perform, such as holding the door and serving on the cafeteria committee. The hosts joke about the "hazing" rituals Gorsuch might face from the more senior justices.

Keywords: [neil gorsuch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/neil-gorsuch.md), [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [elena kagan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elena-kagan.md), [hazing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hazing.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Dodge Challenger Demon and High Horsepower Cycles (2:53:35–2:58:06)

The New York International Auto Show featured the debut of the Dodge Challenger Demon, an 840-horsepower production drag car. The hosts discuss the cyclical nature of high-horsepower vehicles, recalling the 1970s Hemi Cuda and the subsequent insurance crackdowns. They marvel at the technology of the 6.2-liter supercharged engine while questioning the practicality of such power on public highways.

Keywords: dodge challenger demon, hemi v8, new york auto show, horsepower, [insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Show Outro and "I Got Ants" Mix (2:58:08–3:04:16)

The hosts sign off from the Easter episode, reminding listeners of the upcoming Thursday show and the "420" holiday. The episode concludes with a signature "Adios Mofos" and a comedic audio mix titled "I Got Ants," based on a story about eating peppery ants during dinner.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [420](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/420.md), [adios mofos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adios-mofos.md), [ants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ants.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/921-bagels-bins/chapter/48.md)

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