# Succulent

> Historical propaganda tactics from the Wilson administration resurface in modern media as the White House navigates Syrian missile strikes, NATO negotiations, and internal West Wing rivalries.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 920
- **Published:** 2017-04-13
- **Length:** 3h 12m
- **Topics:** George Creel, [Sean Spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [MOAB](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moab.md), [NATO](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), Panda Diplomacy, [Mastodon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mastodon.md), [United Airlines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-airlines.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent

## About this episode

Woodrow Wilson and George Creel established the Committee on Public Information in 1917, creating a massive propaganda machine that served as the blueprint for modern media manipulation. This historical Ministry of Truth employed 75,000 people to manage news flow and enforce patriotism through the American Protective League, which conducted illegal slacker raids and searches. These tactics, later adopted by Joseph Goebbels in Nazi Germany, represent a fractal of social control that persists in the 40,000 public relations experts currently employed by the Pentagon.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer faced intense scrutiny following a gaffe regarding Adolf Hitler and chemical weapons during a briefing on the Syria conflict. While the media focused on Spicer’s use of the term Holocaust centers, the administration shifted its foreign policy toward a Globocop stance, dropping a GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast on ISIS tunnels in Afghanistan. Tensions between Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner continue to simmer as Donald Trump negotiates NATO policy and monitors a naval armada moving toward North Korea. Meanwhile, Rex Tillerson emphasizes that the United States will prioritize the defeat of ISIS over immediate regime change in Syria, citing the chaos of the Libyan intervention as a cautionary tale.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the linguistic affectations of the academic elite, specifically mocking the use of the word succulent by Stanford professors. The program also highlights a Burger King advertisement that successfully hijacked Google Home devices to read Wikipedia entries. This episode features contributions from Dame Kathy Samunich and Baron Greg as the show transitions its community to the Mastodon-based No Agenda Social network.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Episode 920 Introduction and 420 Reference (0:00–1:42)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 920 of the No Agenda show from Austin, Texas and Northern Silicon Valley. The hosts joke about the date and the "420" cannabis culture reference, with Dvorak accidentally calling it "920 day." They briefly discuss personal habits regarding the "50-50" before transitioning into the main program.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [420](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/420.md), 920

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/1.md)

### 2. George Creel, Committee on Public Information Propaganda History (1:43–5:13)

John C. Dvorak discusses a PBS special on World War I that highlights the propaganda efforts of Woodrow Wilson and George Creel. Creel headed the Committee on Public Information (CPI), an organization employing 75,000 people to manage news flow and provide 20,000 newspaper columns weekly to the media. The hosts compare the CPI's "public information" mandate to a real-world Ministry of Truth designed to edit facts and control the war narrative.

Keywords: george creel, [woodrow wilson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/woodrow-wilson.md), [cpi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cpi.md), [world war i](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-i.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [ministry of truth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ministry-of-truth.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Edward Bernays and the Origins of Modern Public Relations (5:14–6:58)

The discussion shifts to Edward Bernays, often cited as the father of modern public relations, who actually worked under George Creel during World War I. While Bernays codified these tactics in his 1923 book, the hosts argue that Creel was the original architect of deep-rooted propagandistic manipulation. They compare the relationship between Creel and Bernays to the rivalry between Tesla and Edison.

Keywords: [edward bernays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-bernays.md), george creel, [public relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-relations.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [world war i](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-i.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/3.md)

### 4. World War I Traveling War Exposition and Slacker Raids (6:58–11:32)

In 1918, the CPI organized a massive traveling war exposition in Chicago that drew two million visitors to see Zeppelin wreckage and staged trench warfare reenactments. This era saw the rise of the American Protective League (APL), a group of 250,000 citizens authorized by the Justice Department to conduct "slacker raids" and illegal searches. These efforts were designed to enforce patriotism and suppress any objections to the war effort through intimidation and arrests.

Keywords: [cpi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cpi.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md), slacker raids, american protective league, [trench warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trench-warfare.md), [vigilantism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vigilantism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Nazi Germany Tactics Derived from American WWI Propaganda (11:36–13:25)

The hosts discuss how the propaganda and social control tactics used in America during World War I served as a blueprint for the Nazi regime in Germany. They suggest that Joseph Goebbels lifted his strategies directly from the American model established by George Creel. This historical repetition is described as a "fractal" that continues to influence modern media and government operations.

Keywords: [goebbels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goebbels.md), [world war i](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-i.md), [nazi germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nazi-germany.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [fractals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fractals.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/5.md)

### 6. World War I as a Banking Scam (13:28–15:18)

A claim is made that World War I was essentially a banking scam designed to protect British financial interests. The narrative suggests that international bankers influenced the United States to enter the conflict to ensure the British did not lose money. Massive propaganda campaigns were then used to manufacture the patriotism necessary to sustain American involvement in a war that lacked a clear initial purpose for the country.

Keywords: [banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking.md), [england](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/england.md), [world war i](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-i.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [patriotism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriotism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Woodrow Wilson and the 1918 Spanish Flu Suppression (15:20–18:33)

During the 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic, President Woodrow Wilson reportedly refused to publicly acknowledge the crisis to avoid distracting from the war effort. Authorities issued trivial advice, such as avoiding tight shoes, while ignoring the need for crowd control to protect war bond drives and military mobilization. This suppression of information is blamed for contributing to the high death toll of the Spanish Flu.

Keywords: [woodrow wilson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/woodrow-wilson.md), [h1n1](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/h1n1.md), [spanish flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spanish-flu.md), [pandemic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pandemic.md), [1918](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1918.md), war bonds

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Pentagon Public Relations and Modern Media Manipulation (18:35–22:21)

The hosts connect the historical 75,000-person CPI staff to modern reports that the Pentagon employs approximately 40,000 public relations experts. They argue that the infrastructure for "fake news" established during the Wilson administration never truly went away, but was instead folded into the Department of Defense. This ongoing operation is cited as the reason why modern media consumers are easily "railroaded" by government narratives.

Keywords: [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [public relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-relations.md), george creel, [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Sean Spicer Syria Destabilization Gaffe and Media Context (22:22–25:52)

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer made a verbal slip during a briefing, stating that the U.S. goal was to "destabilize Syria" before immediately correcting himself to say "destabilize the conflict." The hosts analyze the full context of the clip, noting that Spicer was attempting to distance the Trump administration from Vladimir Putin. They argue that the mainstream media ignored the correction to focus on the more sensational error.

Keywords: [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [gaffe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaffe.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Sean Spicer Hitler Chemical Weapons Comparison Controversy (25:53–29:58)

Sean Spicer sparked international backlash by claiming that Adolf Hitler "didn't even sink to using chemical weapons" in the same way as Bashar al-Assad. Spicer later attempted to clarify his remarks by distinguishing between the use of sarin gas in towns and the "Holocaust centers," a term he used instead of concentration camps. The hosts suggest the comparison was a scripted attempt to frame Assad as worse than Hitler that backfired significantly.

Keywords: [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [adolf hitler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adolf-hitler.md), [holocaust](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/holocaust.md), [sarin gas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarin-gas.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [concentration camps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/concentration-camps.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/10.md)

### 11. CNN Media Analysis of Sean Spicer Gaffes (29:58–34:22)

The hosts critique CNN's coverage of Sean Spicer, featuring Brooke Baldwin and Brian Stelter. The CNN segment focused on Spicer's use of the term "Holocaust centers" and the timing of his comments during Passover. The hosts mock the fast-paced delivery of the news anchors and their focus on Spicer's "sweaty" appearance and perceived lack of credibility.

Keywords: [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [brooke baldwin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brooke-baldwin.md), [brian stelter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brian-stelter.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [passover](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/passover.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Anne Frank Center and Alan Dershowitz Critique (34:22–37:28)

The Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect, led by Stephen Goldstein, called for Sean Spicer's firing, labeling his comments the "most evil slur" ever heard from the White House. Attorney Alan Dershowitz appeared on CNN to counter this, calling the organization a "phony" minor institution with no credibility. The hosts use this to illustrate how media outlets often amplify publicity-seeking groups without verifying their standing.

Keywords: anne frank center, [alan dershowitz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alan-dershowitz.md), stephen goldstein, [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Rachel Maddow and Media Fixation on Spicer Pronunciations (37:28–41:42)

Rachel Maddow and other commentators are criticized for focusing on Sean Spicer's repeated mispronunciations of Bashar al-Assad's name. The discussion moves to the broader "office culture" of the Trump administration, with pundits like Jason Johnson arguing that Spicer's gaffes are symptomatic of a deeper issue involving figures like Steve Bannon. The hosts note the media's tendency to use Hitler analogies while simultaneously condemning Spicer for doing the same.

Keywords: [rachel maddow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rachel-maddow.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Media Campaign Against Steve Bannon and Sean Spicer (41:43–46:11)

The hosts discuss what they perceive as a concerted media effort to force Steve Bannon and Sean Spicer out of the White House. They observe that even Trump supporters are beginning to call for Spicer's removal, playing into the media's hands. They also highlight how news outlets like CNN and MSNBC recycle press releases from activist groups verbatim, creating a feedback loop of "fake news" designed to discredit the administration.

Keywords: [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [press releases](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/press-releases.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Jason Johnson and the Globocop Narrative (46:11–47:48)

MSNBC contributor Jason Johnson discusses the internal rift among Trump supporters regarding the president's shift toward a "Globocop" interventionist foreign policy. Johnson characterizes Steve Bannon as a "white nationalist" symbol whose presence or absence would not fundamentally change the administration's controversial policies, such as the travel ban. The hosts mock the hyperbolic nature of modern political broadcasting.

Keywords: [jason johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jason-johnson.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), globocop, [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner White House Rivalry (47:49–50:24)

CBS News reports on the growing tension between Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner, noting that President Trump ordered a "truce" between the two advisors. Trump publicly minimized Bannon's role in his campaign, asserting that he is his own strategist. The hosts discuss how once the "big media" takes a dislike to a political figure, they are subjected to a relentless campaign of negative coverage.

Keywords: [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md), [jared kushner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jared-kushner.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Donald Trump Negotiation Tactics and NATO Policy (50:24–53:05)

The hosts analyze Donald Trump's negotiation style, which involves making extreme initial demands before settling for a compromise. This is applied to his stance on NATO, where he initially called the alliance "obsolete" to pressure member nations into meeting the 2% GDP defense spending requirement. Following a meeting with Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Trump declared NATO is "no longer obsolete" after the alliance reportedly increased its focus on terrorism.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [jens stoltenberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jens-stoltenberg.md), [negotiation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/negotiation.md), [gdp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gdp.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/17.md)

### 18. CBS News Scott Pelley Fake News Takedown (53:05–59:53)

Adam Curry presents a "takedown" of CBS News anchor Scott Pelley, accusing him of delivering fake news regarding Trump's NATO press conference. Pelley claimed Stoltenberg gave Trump a "history lesson" about NATO's long fight against terrorism. However, the actual footage shows Stoltenberg agreeing with Trump and acknowledging that the alliance must do more in the global fight against terrorism, contradicting Pelley's narrative.

Keywords: [scott pelley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-pelley.md), [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [jens stoltenberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jens-stoltenberg.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [fake news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fake-news.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/18.md)

### 19. MOAB Bombing in Afghanistan and Tunnel Complex (58:52–1:00:49)

The U.S. military dropped a GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) bomb, known as the "Mother of All Bombs," on an ISIS tunnel and cave complex in Afghanistan. The hosts compare this to the 2002 era of "smoking out" Al-Qaeda from Tora Bora. They recall the elaborate, possibly exaggerated, media diagrams of underground terrorist factories and airports used during the early years of the War on Terror.

Keywords: [moab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moab.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [isis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isis.md), [tunnels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tunnels.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Donald Trump Chocolate Cake and Syria Missile Strike (1:00:50–1:07:33)

In an interview with Maria Bartiromo, Donald Trump describes the moment he informed Chinese President Xi Jinping of the missile strike on Syria while they were eating "the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake." Trump mistakenly told Bartiromo the missiles were headed to Iraq before correcting himself to Syria. He emphasized the "unbelievable" technology of the 59 Tomahawk missiles, claiming they all hit their targets.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [tomahawk missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tomahawk-missiles.md), [mar-a-lago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mar-a-lago.md), chocolate cake

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/20.md)

### 21. No Agenda Producer Credits and Baronet Promotions (1:07:33–1:11:10)

The hosts thank their executive producers for their financial support under the "value for value" model. Dame Kathy Samunich is recognized for a $500 donation. Sir Greg is promoted to the rank of Baron of the Chicago Portage following a $1,000 cumulative contribution. The segment highlights the community-driven nature of the show's funding.

Keywords: dame kathy samunich, [sir greg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sir-greg.md), chicago portage, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Listener Donations and Career Karma Requests (1:11:11–1:16:18)

Various listeners are acknowledged for their donations, including Evan Roberts and Jerry Zack. Richard Bangs contributes while sharing a personal story about his family's struggles. The hosts grant "karma" for job searches, health issues, and even a "peaceful dog death," maintaining the show's tradition of acknowledging the personal lives of its producers.

Keywords: evan roberts, jerry zack, richard bangs, [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jobs.md), [cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cancer.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Burnaby Washington and New Jersey Producer Credits (1:16:20–1:19:38)

The hosts continue reading donation notes, including a $200 contribution from Mark Linds in Burnaby (noting the confusion between Washington and British Columbia). Sir Crash EMT in New Jersey is thanked for his support and a recommendation of Jocko Willink's content. The segment concludes with a reminder that these producer credits are "real" and can be used on professional resumes.

Keywords: mark linds, sir crash emt, jocko willink, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [producer credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producer-credits.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/23.md)

### 24. RT and Deutsche Welle Analysis of Syria Gas Attack (1:19:41–1:23:32)

The hosts examine international reporting from RT and Deutsche Welle regarding the chemical attack in Idlib, Syria. They highlight that the White House report relied heavily on "open source" social media videos rather than classified intelligence. Former officials Michael Maloof and Lawrence Wilkerson suggest the U.S. assessment was politically motivated to shift the domestic focus away from the Russia investigation.

Keywords: [rt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rt.md), [deutsche welle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deutsche-welle.md), [opcw](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opcw.md), [idlib](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/idlib.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Putin's Response and the Trump-Russia Distraction Theory (1:23:32–1:28:07)

Vladimir Putin characterized the U.S. reaction to the Syria gas attack as a "boring" repeat of the 2003 Iraq narrative. The hosts speculate that the tension between the U.S. and Russia is a manufactured distraction to allow the Trump administration to operate without "Putin lover" accusations. They suggest that Rex Tillerson's private meetings with Putin may involve strategic coordination regarding regional pipelines and political survival.

Keywords: [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [rex tillerson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rex-tillerson.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [distraction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/distraction.md), bromance, [pipelines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pipelines.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Rex Tillerson on Syria Policy and Regime Change (1:28:08–1:30:41)

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson clarifies that the U.S. priority remains the defeat of ISIS rather than the immediate removal of Bashar al-Assad. He emphasizes the principle of self-determination, stating that the Syrian people must ultimately decide Assad's fate. Tillerson cites the "violent regime change" in Libya as a cautionary tale of the chaos that can follow such interventions.

Keywords: [rex tillerson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rex-tillerson.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [isis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isis.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [regime change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/regime-change.md), [mosul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mosul.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Lindsey Graham and the Syria No-Fly Zone Plan (1:30:42–1:33:52)

Senator Lindsey Graham advocates for a more aggressive U.S. stance, comparing ISIS to Nazi Germany and Assad to Imperial Japan. Graham proposes training Syrian opposition forces to take out Assad and establishing a no-fly zone, warning Russia that their planes will be shot down if they interfere. The hosts speculate that the ultimate goal of these maneuvers is to secure a pipeline route through Homs and Aleppo.

Keywords: [lindsey graham](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lindsey-graham.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [isis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isis.md), [no-fly zone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-fly-zone.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [pipelines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pipelines.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the Lindsey Graham Gaffe (1:33:53–1:35:49)

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg mistakenly referred to Senator Lindsey Graham as one of the "women of the Senate" during an event. Adam Curry admits to making a similar mistake years ago when he referred to Fleetwood Mac's Lindsey Buckingham as a "girl" during an interview. The hosts attribute Ginsburg's error to her age and the ambiguity of the name Lindsey.

Keywords: [ruth bader ginsburg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ruth-bader-ginsburg.md), [lindsey graham](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lindsey-graham.md), [dianne feinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dianne-feinstein.md), [gaffe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaffe.md), lindsey buckingham

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Trump's "Armada" and North Korea Strategy (1:35:50–1:39:56)

Donald Trump tells Maria Bartiromo that the U.S. is sending a "very powerful" armada and submarines toward North Korea. He contrasts his approach with the Obama administration, stating he will not telegraph military moves months in advance. The hosts discuss the psychological warfare aspect of Trump's statements and the use of military "B-roll" to project power without necessarily engaging in conflict.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [armada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/armada.md), [submarines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/submarines.md), [maria bartiromo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maria-bartiromo.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/29.md)

### 30. China's Panda Diplomacy in the Netherlands (1:39:59–1:41:34)

While the U.S. focuses on North Korea, the Netherlands experienced "Panda fever" as two giant pandas arrived at Schiphol Airport from China. The acquisition of the animals followed 16 years of lobbying. The hosts joke that China uses pandas as high-stakes bargaining chips in international trade deals and diplomacy.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [pandas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pandas.md), [schiphol airport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schiphol-airport.md), [diplomacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diplomacy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Chris Matthews and the Romanov Comparison (1:41:41–1:44:56)

MSNBC host Chris Matthews compares the Trump family's role in the White House to the Romanov dynasty of Russia. Matthews suggests that the "royal family" nature of the administration is absurd and notes the violent end of the Romanovs during the Russian Revolution. The hosts criticize Matthews for what they perceive as an implicit threat or a call for the "butchery" of the First Family.

Keywords: [chris matthews](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-matthews.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), romanovs, [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [royal family](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/royal-family.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Morning Joe and the Hillary Clinton "Unbuttoned" Narrative (1:44:57–1:47:53)

The hosts critique a "Morning Joe" segment featuring Tina Brown, where the panel discusses Hillary Clinton's recent public appearances. Brown argues that Clinton was a "phenomenal" candidate who was unfairly "buttoned up" by the media's focus on her emails. The hosts mock the "New York elite" perspective of the show and the repetitive use of the word "wow" by the anchors.

Keywords: [morning joe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morning-joe.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [tina brown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tina-brown.md), [mika brzezinski](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mika-brzezinski.md), [emails](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emails.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Stanford Professor and Food Vocabulary Peeves (1:47:54–1:51:07)

John C. Dvorak shares a personal "peeve" regarding a Stanford professor on a KQED restaurant review show. Dvorak is annoyed by the professor's use of "flowery" and "douchey" words like "succulent," "savory," and "veg." The hosts mock the linguistic affectations of the academic elite in Northern California.

Keywords: succulent, savory, veg, [stanford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stanford.md), [kqed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kqed.md), foodies

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Northern Arizona University Safe Space Controversy (1:51:09–1:54:00)

The president of Northern Arizona University, Rita Cheng, faced calls for her resignation after stating she does not support the creation of "safe spaces" on campus. Cheng argued that universities should prepare students for the real world rather than fostering segregation and misinformation. The hosts support Cheng's stance against what they view as social justice warrior overreach.

Keywords: northern ariozna university, [safe spaces](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/safe-spaces.md), rita cheng, [social justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-justice.md), [campus protest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/campus-protest.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Caitlyn Jenner Gender Reassignment Surgery (1:54:02–1:56:17)

Caitlyn Jenner reportedly underwent gender reassignment surgery, a move she describes as "liberating" in her upcoming memoir. The hosts discuss this in the context of their "long game" thesis, which previously suggested Jenner might eventually reverse the transition for a better book deal. They note that Jenner has not changed her voice, which they find atypical for the transition process.

Keywords: [caitlyn jenner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/caitlyn-jenner.md), [gender reassignment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gender-reassignment.md), [memoir](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memoir.md), voice, long game

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Modern Gender Identity Terminology List (1:56:21–2:05:20)

Adam Curry reads through a list of modern gender and romantic identities, including "graysexual," "lithromantic," and "scoliosexual." The hosts provide humorous and skeptical commentary on the definitions, such as "queer platonic" relationships where partners refer to each other as "zucchini." They conclude that many of these terms are "totally nuts" and designed to see how much the public will accept.

Keywords: asexual, graysexual, demisexual, [pansexual](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pansexual.md), scoliosexual, [non-binary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/non-binary.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/36.md)

### 37. NASA Interplanetary Highway System and Media Puns (2:05:21–2:07:45)

A PBS Newshour report features a congressman praising Donald Trump as the "father of the interplanetary highway system" following a NASA budget signing. The hosts mock the "cornball" ending of the segment, where the journalist makes puns about potholes and black holes. They describe this as a "stretch piece" used to fill time in a broadcast.

Keywords: [nasa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nasa.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), interplanetary highway, [pbs newshour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs-newshour.md), [puns](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/puns.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Burger King Google Home Ad Hack (2:07:46–2:14:52)

Burger King released a 15-second television ad designed to trigger Google Home devices by saying, "OK Google, what is the Whopper burger?" This caused devices to read the Whopper's Wikipedia entry, which was promptly vandalized by internet users to include ingredients like "cyanide" and "medium-sized child." Google eventually disabled the specific voice trigger, highlighting a new conflict between advertisers and smart device ecosystems.

Keywords: [burger king](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/burger-king.md), [google home](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-home.md), [wikipedia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikipedia.md), [hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hacking.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [alexa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Listener Donations and "Boob" Themed Contributions (2:15:09–2:20:19)

The hosts go through a large volume of listener donations, many of which are "8008" (boob) themed. This was triggered by a newsletter link featuring a model (Kate Upton) with an Easter egg. Producers like Jeffrey Zack, Herb Lamb, and Anthony Garlinger are thanked for their contributions and their appreciation of the "boob and idiot" humor.

Keywords: amy williams, kate upton, [boob](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boob.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [easter egg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/easter-egg.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Memorial Donations and Final Producer Credits (2:20:19–2:25:43)

The donation segment concludes with several poignant contributions, including one from Casey in honor of his wife who passed away from cancer. Other donations are directed toward the Scott M. Memorial Fund. The hosts offer their condolences and play specific jingles for those suffering from loss, while also granting final "jobs karma" for the week.

Keywords: [cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cancer.md), memorial fund, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jobs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Birthday Announcements and #TryAPod Marketing (2:25:44–2:28:55)

The hosts read a list of listener birthdays and announce title changes for high-level donors. They also critique NPR's "#TryAPod" marketing campaign, which encourages people to try podcasts. The hosts find the hashtag tone-deaf and compare it to "pod people" from *Invasion of the Body Snatchers*, mocking the committee-driven nature of public radio marketing.

Keywords: [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), tryapod, [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/41.md)

### 42. United Airlines Passenger Removal Controversy (2:28:57–2:39:14)

The hosts analyze the viral video of Dr. David Dao being forcibly dragged off a United Airlines flight in Chicago. They discuss the "Contract of Carriage" (EULA) that gives airlines the right to remove passengers and the authority of the ship's captain. While the media focused on the violence, the hosts argue that Dao's refusal to comply with police instructions on an aircraft was a significant factor, noting that passengers essentially lose their rights once they board.

Keywords: [united airlines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-airlines.md), david dao, oscar munoz, [chicago police](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago-police.md), [aviation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aviation.md), [eula](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eula.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Launch of No Agenda Social on Mastodon (2:39:15–2:52:23)

Adam Curry discusses the launch of "noagendasocial.com," a private instance of the Mastodon social network. He explains the benefits of a federated, chronological timeline without corporate algorithms. Despite some technical hurdles with registration emails and server updates, Curry expresses excitement about creating a small, independent community that can still connect to the broader "Fediverse."

Keywords: [mastodon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mastodon.md), [no agenda social](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-social.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [federation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federation.md), [open source](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/open-source.md), ruby on rails

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/43.md)

### 44. UN Peacekeeper Abuse in Haiti and Media Cover-up (2:52:24–3:00:30)

An Associated Press investigation revealed widespread sexual abuse of children by UN peacekeepers in Haiti, with 134 soldiers implicated in a single sex ring. The hosts criticize the lack of accountability, as the UN has no legal jurisdiction to prosecute. They also accuse reporter Paisley Dodds of omitting the story of Laura Silsby, a Clinton associate convicted of child trafficking in Haiti, suggesting the current reporting serves as a distraction from deeper political scandals.

Keywords: [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [peacekeepers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peacekeepers.md), [child trafficking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/child-trafficking.md), [laura silsby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/laura-silsby.md), paisley dodds

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Maxine Waters for President Narrative (3:00:32–3:03:00)

The hosts play a clip from *Salon* listing five reasons why Congresswoman Maxine Waters should run for president. The reasons include her "fearless" advocacy for women and her popularity among millennials. The hosts mock the narrative, particularly the emphasis on Waters' attacks on Donald Trump and his alleged ties to Russia.

Keywords: [maxine waters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maxine-waters.md), [salon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/salon.md), [millennials](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/millennials.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Supreme Court Gender Interruption Study (3:03:01–3:07:53)

A study suggests that female Supreme Court justices are interrupted three times as often as their male counterparts. The hosts analyze a specific clip of Justice Sonia Sotomayor being interrupted by Justice Antonin Scalia and a lawyer. They argue that Sotomayor's "dull" questioning style invites interruption and criticize the advice for women to "steamroll" interrupters by simply talking over them.

Keywords: [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md), [sonia sotomayor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sonia-sotomayor.md), [antonin scalia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antonin-scalia.md), [gender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gender.md), interruptions

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/46.md)

### 47. No Agenda Episode 920 Outro and Sign-off (3:07:53–3:12:47)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak wrap up the show, reminding listeners to support the program via the value-for-value model. They sign off with their trademark "In the morning" and "Adios mofos" catchphrases. The episode ends with a montage of clips, including a reference to the "Resistance School" at Harvard and various soundbites from the day's discussion.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [adios mofos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adios-mofos.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/920-succulent/chapter/47.md)

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