# Loyalty Test

> A nationwide legal battle erupts over border entry as the Senate weighs a new healthcare overhaul and intelligence experts question the validity of the Trump dossier.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 899
- **Published:** 2017-01-29
- **Length:** 3h 4m
- **Topics:** [Muslim Ban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/muslim-ban.md), [Doomsday Clock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doomsday-clock.md), H-1B Reform, S.222, [Trump Dossier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump-dossier.md), [ACLU](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aclu.md), [ShadowStats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shadowstats.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test

## About this episode

President Donald Trump signed Executive Order 13769, sparking massive protests at JFK and Dulles airports as travelers from seven Muslim-majority nations faced immediate detention. The ACLU secured a nationwide federal stay to halt deportations, while the Council on American-Islamic Relations labeled the policy a Muslim ban. Iraqi national Hameed Khalid Darwish became a central figure in the legal standoff after his detention despite years of service to the U.S. government.

Senator Rand Paul introduced the Obamacare Replacement Act, S.222, to the Senate floor, prioritizing Health Savings Account expansion and the restoration of HIPAA protections for the group market. Meanwhile, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved the Doomsday Clock to two and a half minutes to midnight, citing nuclear rhetoric and climate change skepticism. In the intelligence community, former CIA analyst George Beebe and case officer Robert David Steele raised red flags regarding the Christopher Steele dossier and the lack of direct FBI access to DNC servers.

Matteo, a nineteen-year-old visiting Austin from Italy, observed that his home country remains more obsessed with soccer than the migrant economy or Chinese acquisitions of football clubs like AC Milan. Vice President Mike Pence made history as the first sitting VP to address the March for Life, while Hollywood comedians at an NRDC fundraiser struggled to find punchlines following the 2016 election results. The show recognizes Sir Red Beard for his knighthood under the Value for Value model.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/transcript.md.

### 1. Italian Nephew Visit, Texas Culture and Soccer Obsession (0:00–2:31)

A host describes hosting his 19-year-old Italian nephew, Matteo, in Austin, Texas. The visit included visiting a music store to play guitar and a trip to a shooting range. The nephew reports that older generations in Italy are primarily obsessed with soccer to the exclusion of political or economic concerns.

Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [soccer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soccer.md), [stairway to heaven](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stairway-to-heaven.md), [shooting range](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shooting-range.md), [millennials](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/millennials.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Italian Migrant Economy, Chinese Acquisitions and Dual Citizenship (2:32–6:02)

Italy's economy is described as being heavily dependent on European Union funds provided for migrant housing, valued at 45 euros per day per person. Reports indicate Chinese investors are buying major Italian assets, including football clubs Milan and Inter, olive oil companies, and fashion brands like Dolce & Gabbana. One of the host's family members recently secured dual citizenship after a year-long bureaucratic process.

Keywords: [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [migrants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migrants.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), fashion brands, [dual citizenship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dual-citizenship.md), [olive oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/olive-oil.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Parallel Universes, Christiane Amanpour and Agenda No Podcast (6:03–10:09)

Christiane Amanpour is criticized for claiming she operates in a "truth and fact-based universe" regarding Steve Bannon's strategy. The hosts identify a "parallel universe" podcast from the TWiT network called "Agenda No" hosted by Padre SJ, which allegedly uses their "best podcast in the universe" moniker. A Twitter exchange with Jay Rosen is mentioned, where Rosen accused a host of having the "soul of a cop."

Keywords: [christiane amanpour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christiane-amanpour.md), [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md), [parallel universes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parallel-universes.md), [twit network](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twit-network.md), [jay rosen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jay-rosen.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Global Warming Skepticism, Rising Sea Levels and Dutch Research (10:10–11:42)

The hosts express skepticism regarding global warming, citing a lack of visible sea-level rise at their own coastal properties. They reference a story claiming Australia acts as a "sponge" to prevent rising tides and a Dutch scientific article suggesting global warming could actually lower sea levels. The discussion characterizes the climate agenda as a "globalist" machine.

Keywords: [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md), [sea levels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sea-levels.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [computer models](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/computer-models.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Listener Resignation, Scott M Letter and Canadian Gun Laws (11:43–16:57)

A listener named Scott M from Sydney, B.C., sent a detailed resignation letter after unsubscribing from the show's mailing list. The letter criticizes the show's stance on global warming, its focus on Donald Trump, and its support for handguns. The hosts defend their content and reiterate that a 12-gauge shotgun is the superior home defense tool, a sentiment they claim is shared by Joe Biden.

Keywords: trump protection podcast, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [handguns](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/handguns.md), [shotguns](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shotguns.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [victoria bc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria-bc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Amazon Bestseller List, 1984 and Dystopian Literature Trends (16:58–19:54)

George Orwell's "1984" reached the top of the Amazon bestseller list following the inauguration of Donald Trump and the use of the phrase "alternative facts." Other titles seeing a resurgence include Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here." The hosts mock CNN's Poppy Harlow for her analysis of the trend and question if Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" is also climbing the charts.

Keywords: [george orwell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-orwell.md), [1984](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1984.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), [sinclair lewis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sinclair-lewis.md), [ayn rand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ayn-rand.md), [poppy harlow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poppy-harlow.md), [alternative facts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-facts.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Doomsday Clock, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and Midnight (19:55–24:24)

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved the Doomsday Clock to two and a half minutes to midnight, the closest it has been since the 1950s. The board cited reckless language regarding nuclear weapons and a disregard for scientific expertise on climate change as primary reasons for the shift. The hosts dismiss the clock as a fear-mongering tool and reference an Iron Maiden song of the same name.

Keywords: [doomsday clock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doomsday-clock.md), [bulletin of the atomic scientists](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bulletin-of-the-atomic-scientists.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [nuclear weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-weapons.md), [nobel laureates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nobel-laureates.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Executive Order 13769, Airport Protests and Anne Frank Meme (24:25–29:20)

Protests erupted at JFK and Dulles airports following President Trump's executive order banning travelers from seven Muslim-majority nations. Media outlets compared the situation to the U.S. denying a visa to Anne Frank's family during the Roosevelt administration. Iraqi national Hameed Khalid Darwish, who worked for the U.S. government, was among those detained and later released.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [jfk airport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jfk-airport.md), [aclu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aclu.md), [anne frank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anne-frank.md), [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md), [refugees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/refugees.md), [immigration ban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration-ban.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Federal Register Dates, Green Card Probation and Border Rights (29:20–32:02)

The hosts analyze the timing of the immigration executive order, noting it was officially dated January 30, 2017, despite protests beginning earlier. They clarify that green card holders are technically on probation and do not have the same rights as citizens, including the right to vote. A host shares a personal anecdote about being barred from the Schengen zone despite having valid documentation.

Keywords: [federal register](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-register.md), [green cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-cards.md), [immigration law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration-law.md), [probation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/probation.md), border search, legal status

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Dulles Airport Protests, ACLU Tactics and Deportation Law (32:03–36:20)

A producer reports from Dulles Airport, describing organized protest groups using "mic checks" and chants reminiscent of Occupy Wall Street. The ACLU is identified as a primary organizer of the legal challenges and demonstrations. The hosts dispute a protest chant claiming green card holders cannot be deported, asserting that permanent residents can be removed for various legal violations.

Keywords: [dulles airport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dulles-airport.md), [aclu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aclu.md), [occupy wall street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/occupy-wall-street.md), [chants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chants.md), [lawyers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lawyers.md), [green cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-cards.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/10.md)

### 11. CAIR Response, Muslim Ban Label and Visa Waiver Program (36:21–40:26)

Zahra Billoo of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) labeled the executive order a "Muslim ban" during a media appearance. The hosts argue against this label, noting that the world's most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia, is not included in the ban. They further state the order is legally based on the Visa Waiver Program and follows a 2011 precedent set by the Obama administration regarding Iraqi refugees.

Keywords: [cair](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cair.md), zahra billoo, [indonesia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indonesia.md), [saudi arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [visa waiver program](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/visa-waiver-program.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/11.md)

### 12. H-1B Visa Reform, Silicon Valley and Indian Tech Workers (40:33–46:25)

A draft executive order leaked to the New York Times suggests the Trump administration plans to overhaul the H-1B visa program to prioritize the "best and brightest" over cheap labor. Silicon Valley tech companies, including Google and Microsoft, expressed concern over the potential changes. The hosts discuss the prevalence of Indian CEOs in tech and debunk the claim that Steve Jobs was a Syrian refugee.

Keywords: [h-1b visa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/h-1b-visa.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [india](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/india.md), [tech industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-industry.md), [steve jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jobs.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Hollywood Reaction, Oscars and Shaming Tactics (46:25–48:11)

The Iranian director Asghar Farhadi may be unable to attend the Academy Awards due to the new travel restrictions. The hosts discuss the "shaming" tactics used by the political left, such as mocking Donald Trump's physical appearance. They also briefly mention the upcoming Miss Universe pageant.

Keywords: [hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hollywood.md), [oscars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oscars.md), asghar farhadi, [miss universe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miss-universe.md), [shaming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shaming.md), cheeto face

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Secure Fence Act of 2006, Border Wall and Physical Barriers (48:11–50:42)

President Trump's executive order regarding the border wall is described as an extension of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, signed by George W. Bush. The act authorized 700 miles of physical barriers, but much of the funding was diverted to technology like drones and cameras. The hosts argue that physical barriers are more effective than high-tech surveillance, which can be easily bypassed.

Keywords: secure fence act, [george w bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [mexico border](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mexico-border.md), [dhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhs.md), [chertoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chertoff.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Federal Court Stay, ACLU Legal Victory and Immigrant Rights (50:44–56:35)

ACLU lawyers successfully petitioned a federal judge to issue a nationwide stay preventing the deportation of individuals detained under the new executive order. The ruling ensures that those currently on American soil cannot be sent back to their home countries while the court process proceeds. The hosts characterize the legal maneuver as a tactical victory for activists focused on opposing Trump rather than helping individuals.

Keywords: [federal judge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-judge.md), stay, [aclu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aclu.md), [detention](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detention.md), trump executive order, legal challenge

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Representative Adam Smith, Refugee Vetting and Poland Visas (56:36–59:16)

Democratic Representative Adam Smith defended existing refugee vetting processes, claiming no terrorist attacks in the U.S. have been committed by refugees. The hosts counter by mentioning the wife of Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen and the lack of visa-waiver status for Poland, a key U.S. ally. They reiterate that the executive order does not explicitly mention religion.

Keywords: [adam smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-smith.md), [refugees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/refugees.md), [vetting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vetting.md), [poland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poland.md), [visa waiver program](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/visa-waiver-program.md), [omar mateen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/omar-mateen.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Sanctuary Cities, Bill de Blasio and Drunk Driving Offenses (59:18–1:04:00)

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio defended the city's sanctuary status, which limits cooperation with ICE for "lesser offenses." The hosts criticize de Blasio for including drunk driving and grand larceny in the list of offenses that do not trigger federal notification. The administration has threatened to pull federal funding from cities that refuse to comply with immigration law.

Keywords: [sanctuary cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctuary-cities.md), [bill de blasio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-de-blasio.md), [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), [ice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice.md), [drunk driving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drunk-driving.md), [federal funding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-funding.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Dairy Industry Labor, Automation and Dutch Poultry Factories (1:04:03–1:05:46)

The dairy industry is reportedly concerned that a crackdown on illegal labor will lead to higher prices for consumer goods like ice cream. A host shares an anecdote from a tour of the Netherlands with Jan Eelman, who explained that the Dutch automated their chicken and cow facilities with robots because they lacked a migrant labor force.

Keywords: [dairy industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dairy-industry.md), [automation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/automation.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), jan eelman, [robots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robots.md), [agriculture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agriculture.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Rand Paul Health Care Plan, HSA Reform and S.222 (1:05:46–1:09:41)

Senator Rand Paul introduced the Obamacare Replacement Act (S.222), which focuses on expanding Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). The proposed legislation would allow unlimited tax-free contributions, permit the use of HSA funds for insurance premiums, and provide federal bankruptcy protection for these accounts. It also aims to facilitate concierge medicine and direct primary care.

Keywords: [rand paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rand-paul.md), [hsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hsa.md), [health savings account](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-savings-account.md), s.222, obamacare repeal, bankruptcy protection

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Obamacare Selling Points, Medicaid Expansion and Pre-existing Conditions (1:09:42–1:12:39)

The hosts analyze the primary selling points of the Affordable Care Act, including the 26-year-old age limit for dependents and protections for pre-existing conditions. They argue that the 26-year-old rule was a boon for insurance companies to collect more premiums. The discussion suggests that the "sob stories" used to sell the ACA were part of a larger marketing effort for socialized medicine.

Keywords: [affordable care act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affordable-care-act.md), [medicaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicaid.md), [pre-existing conditions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-existing-conditions.md), [insurance companies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance-companies.md), [socialized medicine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/socialized-medicine.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/20.md)

### 21. HIPAA Protections, Group Market Coverage and Insurance Scams (1:12:39–1:15:50)

The hosts discover that pre-existing condition protections existed for 17 years under HIPAA for the "group market" before the Affordable Care Act was passed. Rand Paul’s S.222 seeks to restore these HIPAA protections. The hosts express frustration that the public was led to believe such protections were a new invention of the Obama administration.

Keywords: [hipaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hipaa.md), [pre-existing conditions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-existing-conditions.md), group market, [rand paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rand-paul.md), insurance reform

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Medicaid Flexibility, Stop-Loss Insurance and Medicare Popularity (1:15:52–1:20:26)

The proposed healthcare replacement would increase state flexibility for Medicaid and allow small employers to use stop-loss insurance for self-funding. The plan also aims to allow insurance sales across state lines to break up monopolies. The hosts discuss the irony of Republican voters supporting socialized systems like Medicare and Social Security while opposing other government healthcare mandates.

Keywords: [medicaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicaid.md), stop-loss insurance, [interstate commerce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/interstate-commerce.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [social security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/22.md)

### 23. David Brooks Criticism, TPP Repeal and Trump Pace (1:20:27–1:25:41)

David Brooks of the New York Times is criticized for his commentary on PBS regarding Donald Trump's "exhausting" pace and the repeal of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The hosts point out that both parties, including Hillary Clinton, eventually opposed the TPP. They argue that Brooks's sudden defense of the secret trade deal is a symptom of "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

Keywords: [david brooks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-brooks.md), [pbs news hour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs-news-hour.md), [tpp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tpp.md), [trans-pacific partnership](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trans-pacific-partnership.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [trade deals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deals.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Vicente Fox Comments, DNC Leadership and Racial Voting (1:25:41–1:30:59)

Former Mexican President Vicente Fox criticized Donald Trump using racially charged language, which the hosts highlight as a double standard. Meanwhile, at a DNC meeting, Joy Reid and other activists discussed the failure of the Clinton campaign to mobilize minority voters. The discussion centers on the Democratic Party's shift toward identity politics and the exclusion of white voters.

Keywords: [vicente fox](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vicente-fox.md), [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), [joy reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-reid.md), [keith ellison](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-ellison.md), [white privilege](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-privilege.md), [identity politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/identity-politics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Donor Thank You, Sir Red Beard Knighting and Globalist Hypothesis (1:31:00–1:35:57)

The hosts conduct a "Value for Value" segment, thanking executive producers and donors. Brad Walker is knighted as "Sir Red Beard, Knight of the Uncorked Bottle" for his significant contribution. Roderick Lenhart from Charlotte, North Carolina, is also recognized for his support. The hosts discuss the "Globalist versus Nationalist" hypothesis as a core theme of their media deconstruction.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), brad walker, roderick lenhart, charlotte nc, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Thomas Sowell, Michael Jackson MSNBC Clip and Podcast Buttons (1:35:58–1:41:54)

A donor recommends Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society," leading to a discussion about Sowell's standoffish nature. The hosts play an archival clip of a host appearing on MSNBC following Michael Jackson's death in 2009. They also mention receiving "ask me about my podcast" buttons and a Dutch Delft blue plate from listeners.

Keywords: [thomas sowell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-sowell.md), [michael jackson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-jackson.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [delft blue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/delft-blue.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/26.md)

### 27. George Beebe, IC Report Skepticism and Red Flags (1:41:55–1:46:00)

George Beebe, a former CIA director of Russia analysis, expressed skepticism regarding the Intelligence Community (IC) report on Russian hacking during a C-SPAN meeting. Beebe noted that the NSA's "moderate confidence" in key judgments is a significant red flag. He suggested that the lack of leaked conclusive evidence in a highly political Washington environment implies such evidence may not exist.

Keywords: george beebe, [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [russian hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-hacking.md), [intelligence community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-community.md), classified evidence

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Trump Dossier, Moscow Rumor Mill and Christopher Steele (1:46:00–1:49:46)

Intelligence professionals discuss the difficulty of vetting the Trump dossier, noting that the Russian presidential administration is a notoriously hard target to penetrate. George Beebe suggests the dossier likely originated from the "Moscow rumor mill" rather than solid intelligence. British Prime Minister Theresa May confirmed that Christopher Steele had not worked for the UK government for many years.

Keywords: [trump dossier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump-dossier.md), [christopher steele](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christopher-steele.md), [mi6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mi6.md), [moscow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moscow.md), [rumors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rumors.md), [theresa may](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/theresa-may.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Robert David Steele, Electronic Vote Tampering and Electoral Reform (1:49:47–1:54:35)

Former CIA case officer Robert David Steele appeared on RT to claim that Hillary Clinton used electronic vote tampering against Bernie Sanders during the primaries. He argues that Trump won because Clinton's focus on Russian hacking "closed the door" on her own tampering methods. Steele also advocates for a new Electoral Reform Act to free politicians from the influence of foreign money and blackmail.

Keywords: robert david steele, [rt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rt.md), [bernie sanders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-sanders.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), electoral reform act, [voter fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voter-fraud.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Threats Against Trump, Secret Service Investigations and Social Media (1:54:35–1:57:08)

Ganesh Chakyan reports for RT on the rise of public death wishes and assassination threats against President Trump on social media. The Secret Service is reportedly investigating a Kentucky woman and a schoolteacher for such threats. The hosts compare the current polarized climate to the aftermath of the Reagan and Obama inaugurations.

Keywords: [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), assassination threats, ganesh chakyan, [rt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rt.md), [madonna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/madonna.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/30.md)

### 31. DNC Server Investigation, Guccifer 2.0 and Anthony Weiner Laptop (1:57:09–2:00:43)

Robert David Steele criticizes the FBI for relying on CrowdStrike's secondhand information regarding the DNC hack instead of investigating the servers directly. He discusses the "Guccifer" personas and the 650,000 emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop. Steele alleges the emails contain proof of "pay-to-play" schemes involving Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and calls for John Brennan to be indicted as a war criminal.

Keywords: [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), [crowdstrike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crowdstrike.md), [guccifer 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guccifer-2-0.md), [anthony weiner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthony-weiner.md), [huma abedin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huma-abedin.md), [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Matt Taibbi Skepticism, Cyber Evidence and Qualitative Assessment (2:00:43–2:04:40)

Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi expressed skepticism on Sirius XM regarding the "Manchurian Candidate" narrative surrounding Donald Trump. While acknowledging some circumstantial evidence for a Russian hack of the DNC, Taibbi argues that the Kremlin is not a "high school cafeteria" where secrets are easily overheard. The hosts discuss the limitations of digital "signatures" and IP addresses as definitive proof.

Keywords: [matt taibbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-taibbi.md), [rolling stone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rolling-stone.md), [sirius xm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sirius-xm.md), [dnc hack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc-hack.md), [manchurian candidate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manchurian-candidate.md), cyber experts

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Loyalty Test Meme, Nikki Haley UN Speech and Funding Cuts (2:04:40–2:09:30)

The BBC and other outlets are promoting a "loyalty test" meme, suggesting Trump forces staffers to lie to gain control over them. New UN Ambassador Nikki Haley delivered a stern warning that the U.S. is "taking names" of countries that do not support American interests. Reports indicate the administration is considering a 40% cut in funding for international organizations.

Keywords: [nikki haley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nikki-haley.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [loyalty test](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/loyalty-test.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/33.md)

### 34. First Amendment Defense Act, Civil Rights and Private Business (2:09:32–2:15:49)

The hosts discuss the First Amendment Defense Act, which aims to prevent the federal government from penalizing individuals or organizations based on their religious beliefs regarding marriage. They clarify that the Civil Rights Act primarily covers public accommodations and interstate commerce, not all private businesses. The act is seen as a response to previous IRS targeting of conservative groups.

Keywords: first amendment defense act, [civil rights act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-rights-act.md), [lgbtq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lgbtq.md), [discrimination](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/discrimination.md), [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md), [religious freedom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/religious-freedom.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/34.md)

### 35. March for Life, Mike Pence Speech and Media Collusion (2:15:50–2:19:31)

Vice President Mike Pence became the first sitting VP to address the annual March for Life in Washington. The hosts note that the event received more coverage this year after President Trump criticized the media for ignoring it. They also express concern over the "collusion" of major networks in sharing the David Muir interview with Trump simultaneously.

Keywords: [march for life](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/march-for-life.md), [mike pence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pence.md), [david muir](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-muir.md), [abc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc-news.md), [pro-life](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pro-life.md), [media pool](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-pool.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Marjorie Dannenfelser Interview, Pro-Life Voters and Trump Support (2:19:32–2:22:39)

Marjorie Dannenfelser, a leader in the pro-life movement, was interviewed on PBS regarding her transition from a "Never Trump" position to a supporter. She stated that while Trump was initially the movement's last choice, his policy commitments on abortion made him the superior candidate over Hillary Clinton. Dannenfelser cited abortion as a primary factor in Trump's victory in battleground states.

Keywords: marjorie dannenfelser, [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [abortion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abortion.md), [pro-life](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pro-life.md), [2016 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2016-election.md), [battleground states](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/battleground-states.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Inauguration Crowd Report, Security Checkpoints and DC Metro (2:22:40–2:26:47)

A firsthand report from a government agency source explains that the smaller inauguration crowd size was due to new security checkpoints on the National Mall and a lack of confidence in the DC Metro system. The source estimates that 3,000 man-hours were wasted on the White House's demand for data to prove a larger turnout. The hosts conclude that Trump's preoccupation with the crowd size is driven by ego.

Keywords: [inauguration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inauguration.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [kellyanne conway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kellyanne-conway.md), [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), dc metro, [smithsonian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smithsonian.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/37.md)

### 38. NRDC Fundraiser ISOs, Seth Meyers and John Oliver (2:26:52–2:30:01)

A production manager provided "isolated" audio from a private National Resources Defense Council (NRDC) fundraiser featuring Hollywood comedians. The clips include George Lopez joking about Trump's immigrant wives and Seth Meyers commenting on the election results. The hosts observe that the comedians struggled to find humor in the wake of the 2016 election.

Keywords: [nrdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nrdc.md), [george lopez](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-lopez.md), [seth meyers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seth-meyers.md), hassan minhaj, [john oliver](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-oliver.md), [comedy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comedy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Donald Borosky Letter, NBC Pussy-Gate Leak and Media Meddling (2:30:02–2:32:29)

Listener Donald Borosky writes in to discuss the history of HP and Agilent Technologies. Another listener, Thomas Shannon, questions why NBC has not been investigated for "meddling" in the election by leaking the "Access Hollywood" audio. The hosts agree that the NBC leak was functionally similar to the hacks and leaks attributed to Russia.

Keywords: donald borosky, [hp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hp.md), agilent technologies, [nbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc.md), [access hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/access-hollywood.md), [election meddling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/election-meddling.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Final Donations, Sir Red Beard Ring and Show 900 Preview (2:32:30–2:37:56)

The hosts process final donations for Episode 899, including contributions via Pop Money. They announce that Show 900 will feature a "triple producer credit." Brad Walker's knighthood as Sir Red Beard is finalized, and he is directed to the No Agenda rings website. The segment reinforces the "Value for Value" model as the show's primary funding mechanism.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [pop money](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pop-money.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), brad walker, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/40.md)

### 41. CBS Fact-Check Segment, Trade Deficits and NAFTA Jobs (2:37:57–2:41:48)

CBS News launched a "Fact Check" segment targeting Donald Trump's claims about job losses to Mexico and trade deficits. The hosts criticize the network for using six-year-old data from 2010 to refute Trump's 2017 statements. They argue that the segment is "cherry-picking" facts to create a "fake news" narrative against the administration.

Keywords: [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [fact-check](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fact-check.md), [nafta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nafta.md), [trade deficit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deficit.md), [mexico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mexico.md), [jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jobs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Ira Glass on Fake News, Birther Meme and Fact-Based Reporting (2:41:50–2:47:33)

Ira Glass of "This American Life" delivered a speech at an NPR event regarding the "limited power of fact-based reporting." Glass used the birther controversy to illustrate how voters ignore media refutations. The hosts criticize Glass for failing to acknowledge that the birther rumor originated within the 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign, calling his narrative "phony."

Keywords: [ira glass](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ira-glass.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [this american life](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/this-american-life.md), [fake news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fake-news.md), [birtherism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birtherism.md), [jake tapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jake-tapper.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Unemployment Rate Calculation, Ross Perot and ShadowStats (2:47:35–2:52:06)

The hosts discuss the media's sudden interest in the accuracy of unemployment numbers under the Trump administration. They contrast this with the "rosy" numbers reported during the Obama years. They reference Ross Perot's use of charts to explain complex economics and cite John Williams of ShadowStats, who estimates the real unemployment rate is closer to 23-24%.

Keywords: [unemployment rate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment-rate.md), [u6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/u6.md), [ross perot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ross-perot.md), [glenn beck](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-beck.md), [shadowstats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shadowstats.md), [john williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-williams.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Future of Journalism, Serial Podcast and DeploraBall (2:52:07–2:54:56)

Ira Glass declared that the "future of journalism is podcasting," citing the massive download numbers for "Serial" and "This American Life." He mentioned an NPR producer attending the "DeploraBall" to interview Trump supporters and social media trolls. The hosts mock Glass for trying to "claim" the podcasting space as the money in traditional media dries up.

Keywords: [ira glass](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ira-glass.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [serial](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/serial.md), [this american life](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/this-american-life.md), deploraball, [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Monsanto Roundup Ruling, Glyphosate and CBS Pronunciation (2:54:57–2:58:10)

A California judge ruled that Monsanto's Roundup weed killer can be labeled with a cancer warning due to the presence of glyphosate. The World Health Organization previously classified the chemical as "probably carcinogenic." The hosts criticize a CBS reporter for his pronunciation of "Monsanto" and suggest the network's coverage was subtly pro-corporate.

Keywords: [monsanto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monsanto.md), [roundup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roundup.md), [glyphosate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glyphosate.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), cancer warning, [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Ali Baba, Mark Zuckerberg Hawaii Lawsuit and Show Outro (2:58:13–3:04:19)

President Trump praised "Ali Baba" (Jack Ma) as a "great guy" following a meeting about U.S. investment. Mark Zuckerberg is facing backlash and protests in Hawaii for filing lawsuits to force native families off their land to secure his beachfront property. The show concludes with a preview of the Super Bowl and Miss Universe, followed by a montage of clips.

Keywords: ali baba, [mark zuckerberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-zuckerberg.md), [hawaii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hawaii.md), [neocolonialism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/neocolonialism.md), [super bowl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-bowl.md), [miss universe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miss-universe.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/899-loyalty-test/chapter/46.md)

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