# Chain of Lies

> A deep deconstruction of the escalating conflict between the White House and the intelligence community as the media narrative shifts toward psychological warfare and alternative realities.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 898
- **Published:** 2017-01-26
- **Length:** 2h 59m
- **Topics:** [Logan Act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/logan-act.md), [Alternative Facts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-facts.md), [Bell's Palsy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bell-s-palsy.md), [Tulsi Gabbard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tulsi-gabbard.md), [Schengen Agreement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schengen-agreement.md), [1984](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1984.md), [Sanctuary Cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctuary-cities.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies

## About this episode

The Trump administration and the intelligence community are locked in a high-stakes standoff as National Security Advisor Michael Flynn faces scrutiny over his communications with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. While critics allege potential Logan Act violations, journalist Glenn Greenwald warns that intelligence agencies are actively signaling their power to undermine the President. Meanwhile, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern publicly confronted Congressman Adam Schiff on C-SPAN, challenging the lack of definitive evidence linking Russian hacking to WikiLeaks.

In the wake of Kellyanne Conway’s "alternative facts" defense, sales of George Orwell’s 1984 have surged to the top of Amazon’s bestseller list. The debate over inauguration crowd sizes continues to fuel a media-driven psychological warfare campaign, as mainstream outlets publish comparison photos lacking verifiable EXIF metadata. Beyond the headlines, the Democratic National Committee faces internal identity struggles after a leadership candidate suggested white members should step back, while Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard returns from a fact-finding mission in Syria with reports that U.S.-backed rebels are indistinguishable from terrorist groups.

Adam Curry recounts a disastrous Home Shopping Network audition involving an off-color joke about a shaving brush that likely ended his career in televised retail. The technical deconstruction reveals how PBS and major networks have formed a "chain of lies" by recycling each other's reporting without original verification. Between viral coffee shop rants and Bruce Springsteen’s political declarations in Australia, the cultural divide has reached a meta-fractal state where reality itself appears to have split into competing wavelengths.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry Health Update and Medical Clinic Experience (0:00–3:43)

Adam Curry describes his recent health struggles with a severe cough and an eye infection attributed to cedar pollen in Austin, Texas. He details his experience visiting a walk-in clinic as a "self-pay" patient without health insurance, noting the efficiency and lower costs compared to insurance-based billing. The physician prescribed penicillin and advised against expensive eye drops, resulting in a total cost of $169 instead of a much higher deductible-based fee.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [cedar fever](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cedar-fever.md), walk-in clinic, [health insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-insurance.md), [penicillin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/penicillin.md), [medical costs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-costs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Glenn Greenwald, Bell's Palsy, and Intelligence Agency Conflicts (3:44–7:46)

Journalist Glenn Greenwald appeared on Fox News to discuss the ongoing conflicts between the intelligence community and the Trump administration. Observers noted a change in his facial appearance, which Greenwald confirmed via Twitter is Bell's Palsy, an inflammation of the facial nerves. Greenwald argues that the intelligence community is actively signaling its ability to harm President Donald Trump if he continues to impede their established agenda.

Keywords: [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), [bell's palsy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bell-s-palsy.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [intelligence community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-community.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Ray McGovern Confronts Adam Schiff on Russian Hacking Claims (7:46–11:27)

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern confronted Congressman Adam Schiff regarding allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 election. During a recorded exchange on C-SPAN, McGovern questioned the evidence linking Russian hacking to WikiLeaks, noting that even the intelligence community's conclusions were not definitive. Schiff maintained his confidence in the Russian connection while acknowledging he could not share classified evidence with the public.

Keywords: [ray mcgovern](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ray-mcgovern.md), [adam schiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-schiff.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [russian hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-hacking.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Michael Flynn Investigation and Logan Act Allegations (11:27–14:08)

National Security Advisor Michael Flynn is under scrutiny for communications with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak that occurred on the same day President Obama announced sanctions against Russia. Critics suggest Flynn may have violated the Logan Act, which prohibits private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments in disputes with the U.S. Supporters argue that as the incoming National Security Advisor, it was Flynn's responsibility to establish contact with foreign counterparts.

Keywords: [michael flynn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-flynn.md), [logan act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/logan-act.md), [sergei kislyak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sergei-kislyak.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctions.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Podcast Production Workflow and Listener Clip Submissions (14:09–15:39)

The hosts describe their technical process for gathering and editing news clips, involving DVR recordings and digital transfers the morning of the show. They request that producers and listeners avoid sending the same "gem" clips to both hosts simultaneously to maintain the element of surprise during the broadcast. This coordination is intended to streamline the deconstruction process for the Sunday and Thursday episodes.

Keywords: [dvr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dvr.md), [podcast production](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-production.md), clip editing, [listener feedback](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/listener-feedback.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [email](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/email.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Alternate Universes and Kellyanne Conway's Alternative Facts (15:40–19:09)

The concept of "alternate universes" is introduced to describe the diverging realities presented by the Trump administration and the mainstream media. This theme is highlighted by Kellyanne Conway's controversial use of the phrase "alternative facts" during a press briefing. The hosts suggest these controversies, such as the debate over inauguration crowd sizes, may serve as a distraction to keep the media focused on trivialities while policy changes occur elsewhere.

Keywords: [kellyanne conway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kellyanne-conway.md), [alternative facts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-facts.md), [george webb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-webb.md), [eric braverman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-braverman.md), [clinton foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/clinton-foundation.md), [media machine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-machine.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Inauguration Crowd Size Photos and Metadata Discrepancies (19:09–21:32)

An investigation into the viral photos comparing the 2009 and 2017 inauguration crowds reveals a lack of verifiable EXIF metadata in mainstream media publications. The Washington Post published comparisons without technical data to prove the exact timing of the shots, which is critical for an accurate comparison. The hosts note that satellite imagery from the National Reconnaissance Office could easily settle the dispute but remains unreleased.

Keywords: [inauguration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inauguration.md), [crowd size](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crowd-size.md), exif data, [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [forensics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/forensics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Psychological Warfare and the Blue Dress Phenomenon (21:33–23:45)

The debate over inauguration attendance is framed as a form of psychological warfare similar to the "blue dress/gold dress" viral phenomenon. The hosts suggest that the media and political establishment may be testing their ability to manipulate public perception by forcing people to choose between two conflicting realities. They argue that comparing Trump's inauguration to the historic 2008 election of the first black president is an inherently flawed metric.

Keywords: [psychological warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychological-warfare.md), the dress, [inauguration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inauguration.md), black president, [media manipulation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-manipulation.md), [zombies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zombies.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Michael Moore at the Women's March (23:46–25:23)

Filmmaker Michael Moore spoke at the Women's March, expressing starstruck admiration for activist Gloria Steinem. The hosts critique Moore's performance, suggesting his rhetoric was overly dramatic and indicative of a lack of substance. They view his participation as part of a broader effort to maintain momentum for the anti-Trump movement through celebrity-led activism.

Keywords: [michael moore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-moore.md), [gloria steinem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gloria-steinem.md), [women's march](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/women-s-march.md), [feminism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/feminism.md), [activism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/activism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/9.md)

### 10. George Orwell's 1984 Tops Amazon Bestseller List (25:23–28:26)

Sales of George Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984 have surged to the top of Amazon's bestseller list following the Trump administration's use of "alternative facts." Media outlets are framing the spike in sales as a public response to government misinformation and truth-rewriting. The publisher, Penguin, has ordered a massive reprint to meet the sudden demand for the 68-year-old book.

Keywords: [george orwell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-orwell.md), [1984](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1984.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), penguin books, dystopian fiction, [fact-checking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fact-checking.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Multiverse Theory and Parallel Universes in Physics (28:27–32:50)

Physicist Brian Greene discusses the scientific basis for the multiverse theory on NPR's Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Greene explains that mathematical models in quantum mechanics and cosmology suggest our universe may be just one of many in a grander multiverse. The hosts apply this concept to the current political climate, suggesting that individuals exist in different "wavelengths" or realities based on their information consumption and personal programming.

Keywords: brian greene, [terry gross](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terry-gross.md), multiverse, [quantum mechanics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/quantum-mechanics.md), [physics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/physics.md), [mathematics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mathematics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Fractals and the Metaverse of Political Disagreement (32:51–36:43)

The hosts discuss the "meta-fractal" nature of modern political discourse, where the same arguments repeat at every level of society. One host recounts interactions with "Hillbot" colleagues who remain convinced that Trump will resign or be impeached due to low approval ratings. They describe the difficulty of navigating social media platforms like Twitter, where these conflicting universes frequently collide and lead to aggressive blocking.

Keywords: [fractals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fractals.md), [mandelbrot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mandelbrot.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), hillbots, [popular vote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/popular-vote.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Mathematical Repetition in Infinite Universes (36:44–39:56)

Physicist Brian Greene explains that in an infinite universe with a finite number of ways matter can arrange itself, patterns must eventually repeat. This mathematical certainty implies that versions of ourselves are conducting the same activities in other parts of the cosmos. The hosts compare this to the 1990s sci-fi show Sliders and argue that this mathematical model is more robust than the consensus-based models used in climate science.

Keywords: brian greene, infinite universe, [mathematics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mathematics.md), sliders, [science](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/science.md), [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Bruce Springsteen Supports Women's March in Australia (39:57–40:45)

During a concert in Western Australia, Bruce Springsteen expressed solidarity with the millions of people participating in the Women's March across the United States. He listed a wide array of causes, including reproductive rights, racial justice, and environmental protection. The hosts express disappointment in Springsteen's alignment with what they perceive as the "wrong universe" of political activism.

Keywords: [bruce springsteen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruce-springsteen.md), e street band, [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [women's march](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/women-s-march.md), [lgbtq rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lgbtq-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/14.md)

### 15. DNC Chair Candidate Calls for White Leaders to Step Back (40:47–43:21)

A candidate for the Democratic National Committee chair position argued during a forum that white leaders in the party have failed and must learn to "shut up" to allow other voices to be heard. The comments, which were met with applause from figures like Joy Reid, highlight the internal struggle within the Democratic Party regarding identity politics and racial prejudice. The hosts view this as a sign of the party's current lack of direction.

Keywords: [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), [joy reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-reid.md), [prejudice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prejudice.md), [white privilege](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-privilege.md), [democratic party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democratic-party.md), [leadership](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leadership.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Viral Coffee Shop Rant and the "Crazy Tangerine" Bit (43:21–48:42)

A viral video depicts a woman in a coffee shop launching into an elaborate, dramatic monologue about Flint, Michigan, Standing Rock, and her support for Hillary Clinton. While one host suspects the performance is a staged improv bit intended to mock activists, the other argues that the behavior is indistinguishable from real-world political zealotry seen on social media. The rant includes a reference to Donald Trump as a "crazy tangerine."

Keywords: coffee shop, [flint michigan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flint-michigan.md), [standing rock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/standing-rock.md), clinton supporter, [viral video](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viral-video.md), [improv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/improv.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Big Joe Confronts Protesters at the Pussyhat March (48:42–56:34)

A video of a man known as "Big Joe" has gone viral after he confronted protesters at the Women's March in Los Angeles. Big Joe questioned why people were protesting a rightfully elected president and argued that political correctness has forced many Americans to hide their true opinions until they reach the voting booth. The hosts debate whether the encounter was staged, with one praising Joe's refined arguments regarding Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger.

Keywords: big joe, [los angeles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/los-angeles.md), pussyhat march, [political correctness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-correctness.md), [margaret sanger](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/margaret-sanger.md), voting booth

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Jackie Speier Criticizes the Electoral College (56:35–58:27)

Congresswoman Jackie Speier questioned the fairness of the Electoral College during a town hall meeting, arguing that votes in Wyoming should not have more value than those in California. She asserted that the popular vote should determine the presidency, leading the hosts to accuse her of violating her oath to uphold the Constitution. The segment also touches on President Trump's stated priority of protecting the American people.

Keywords: [jackie speier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jackie-speier.md), [electoral college](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electoral-college.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [wyoming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wyoming.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [popular vote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/popular-vote.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Congressman Steve King on Illegal Voting Extrapolations (58:28–1:01:43)

Congressman Steve King discussed the possibility of three million illegal votes being cast in the 2016 election, citing sample data from counties in Virginia. King performed his own extrapolation to reach a figure of 2.4 million, suggesting that "motor voter" laws provide a gateway for non-citizens to register and vote. The hosts compare his use of extrapolations to the methodology used in global warming science.

Keywords: [steve king](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-king.md), illegal voting, motor voter, [virginia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virginia.md), extrapolation, [voter fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voter-fraud.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Voter Fraud Investigations and Media Bias (1:01:45–1:06:40)

The Trump administration's call for a voter fraud investigation has met with resistance from critics who claim fraud is non-existent. The hosts question why opponents are afraid of an investigation that could potentially prove the President wrong. They also note a shift in media personnel, with former Fox News anchors like Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren moving to NBC and MSNBC as the networks align against the administration.

Keywords: [voter fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voter-fraud.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [steve bannon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-bannon.md), [north carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-carolina.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [megyn kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/megyn-kelly.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Sponsor segment: No Agenda Executive Producer Donations and Baronies (1:06:41–1:15:34)

The hosts acknowledge executive and associate executive producers for Episode 898. A former Goldman Sachs employee donated his unemployment check of $376.25, while another donor was granted the title of Baron of Pennsylvania. The segment includes listener-produced jingles and a thank you to the artists contributing to the No Agenda Art Generator.

Keywords: [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [barony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barony.md), [pennsylvania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pennsylvania.md), [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md), [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/21.md)

### 22. EPA Data Backup and Fears of Government Silencing (1:15:41–1:19:20)

Environmental professors and students at the University of Pennsylvania are racing to back up government climate data, fearing the Trump administration will delete or restrict access to it. The EPA has temporarily restricted employees from posting to social media or blogs, which critics characterize as a "gag order." The hosts argue these fears are exaggerated and note that the Obama administration was also restrictive toward whistleblowers.

Keywords: [epa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epa.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [data backup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-backup.md), [university of pennsylvania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-pennsylvania.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [whistleblowers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblowers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Governor Jerry Brown and California's Climate Leadership (1:19:21–1:21:26)

Governor Jerry Brown reaffirmed California's commitment to fighting climate change regardless of federal policy in Washington. The hosts dispute Brown's claims of rising oceans, citing historical maps of the California shoreline. They also reference a recent observation by Joe Rogan regarding how green the California landscape has become following a decade-long "super drought" that was previously predicted to never end.

Keywords: [jerry brown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerry-brown.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), rising oceans, [drought](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drought.md), [joe rogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-rogan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Shane Smith and Joe Rogan Discuss Climate Consensus (1:21:27–1:26:34)

Vice co-founder Shane Smith appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience to discuss the 97% scientific consensus on global warming. Smith compared climate change skeptics to the scientists who once claimed smoking was not harmful, alleging that Exxon has spent billions to discredit environmental science. The hosts criticize Smith's arguments as "bogative" and mock the comparison between climate scientists and tobacco industry lobbyists.

Keywords: [shane smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shane-smith.md), [joe rogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-rogan.md), [vice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vice.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [exxon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/exxon.md), [rex tillerson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rex-tillerson.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Mumps Outbreak in Spokane and Vaccine Efficacy (1:26:36–1:28:44)

A mumps outbreak in Spokane, Washington, has resulted in 80 confirmed cases, many of which occurred in individuals who were already vaccinated. Health officials have barred over 300 unvaccinated students from attending school until they receive the shot. The hosts question the logic of mandating a vaccine that appears to have failed in a significant portion of the currently infected population.

Keywords: [mumps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mumps.md), [spokane](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spokane.md), [vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccine.md), [public health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-health.md), [washington state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-state.md), [immunity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immunity.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Journalist Arrests and Potential Licensing Requirements (1:28:45–1:31:17)

Several journalists and live-streamers were arrested and "kettled" during recent protests, facing potential prison sentences for rioting. The hosts suggest these incidents may be used as a pretext to introduce government licensing for journalists, ostensibly for their own protection. They argue such a move would be unconstitutional, comparing it to the mandatory bar associations for lawyers.

Keywords: [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [licensing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/licensing.md), [first amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-amendment.md), [kettling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kettling.md), [protests](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/protests.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Media Narratives on Trump's Mental Health and Policy (1:31:18–1:32:45)

The media narrative surrounding the new administration has shifted toward questioning President Trump's mental stability, with New York Times columnist Paul Krugman explicitly calling him mentally ill. Other points of contention include executive orders regarding sanctuary cities and Trump's comments about "taking the oil" from occupied countries. The hosts note that Austin, Texas, is becoming a focal point for the sanctuary city debate.

Keywords: [paul krugman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-krugman.md), [mental illness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-illness.md), [executive orders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-orders.md), [sanctuary cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctuary-cities.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Sanctuary Cities and Federal Funding Threats (1:32:47–1:36:34)

President Trump signed an executive order to crack down on sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. In Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti and Governor Jerry Brown vowed to protect undocumented residents despite threats to federal funding. In Austin, Travis County Sheriff Sally Hernandez announced she would only honor ICE detainers for the most serious violent crimes, leading to a standoff with state and federal officials.

Keywords: [sanctuary cities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctuary-cities.md), [eric garcetti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-garcetti.md), [jerry brown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerry-brown.md), sally hernandez, [ice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice.md), [federal funding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-funding.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/28.md)

### 29. The Guantanamo Bay Closure Meme (1:36:35–1:38:15)

A recurring media narrative suggests that President Obama failed to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center only because Congress refused to fund the closure. The hosts challenge this "meme," pointing out that Obama had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and control of the House during his first two years. They argue he could have secured the funding and fulfilled his campaign promise had it been a true priority.

Keywords: [gitmo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [funding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/funding.md), [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/29.md)

### 30. First Amendment Defense Act and LGBTQ Concerns (1:38:16–1:42:08)

The proposed First Amendment Defense Act has sparked fears that the Trump administration will legalize discrimination against LGBTQ individuals. However, a report from an LGBTQ community leader notes that as Governor of Indiana, Mike Pence signed legislation specifically prohibiting discrimination in state employment based on sexual orientation. The hosts argue that the current "fear-mongering" ignores Pence's record of clarifying religious freedom laws to prevent business owners from denying services.

Keywords: first amendment defense act, [mike pence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pence.md), [lgbtq rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lgbtq-rights.md), [indiana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indiana.md), [discrimination](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/discrimination.md), [buzzfeed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzfeed.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Donald Trump's Record on LGBTQ Issues (1:42:09–1:45:01)

Supporters of the President point to his history of inclusion, such as hosting Elton John's wedding and allowing Caitlyn Jenner to use the bathroom of her choice at Trump Tower. They contrast his passionate mention of LGBTQ citizens at the Republican National Convention with the rhetoric of previous Democratic candidates. The segment also briefly mentions the appointment of Betsy DeVos and her family connections to Blackwater founder Erik Prince.

Keywords: [caitlyn jenner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/caitlyn-jenner.md), [elton john](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elton-john.md), [rnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rnc.md), tony fabrizio, [betsy devos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/betsy-devos.md), [eric prince](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-prince.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/31.md)

### 32. The Mexico City Policy and Abortion Funding (1:45:03–1:47:37)

President Trump reinstated the Mexico City Policy, often called the "Global Gag Rule," which prohibits federal funding for international organizations that perform or promote abortions. Media outlets like CBS and figures like Andrea Mitchell have characterized this as a threat to women's lives globally. The hosts clarify that the policy specifically targets taxpayer-funded grants and does not make abortion illegal, but rather returns to a standard used by previous Republican administrations.

Keywords: mexico city policy, gag rule, [abortion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abortion.md), [usaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usaid.md), [who](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/who.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Congressional Debate on Taxpayer-Funded Abortion (1:47:38–1:49:50)

During House considerations of H.R. 7, Democratic lawmakers argued that restricting abortion access is an attempt to control women's bodies. One representative cited her Catholic faith and having five children as "standing" on the issue. The hosts point out that federal law already prohibits direct taxpayer funding for abortions, and the debate centers on whether government subsidies in health care exchanges can be used for such services.

Keywords: h.r. 7, [catholicism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/catholicism.md), [reproductive rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reproductive-rights.md), [subsidies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subsidies.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), [health care](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-care.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Frederica Wilson's "Get Out of My Vagina" Speech (1:49:51–1:52:28)

Congresswoman Frederica Wilson delivered a fiery speech on the House floor, accusing Republicans of trying to regulate her reproductive organs while neglecting children after they are born. She linked anti-choice legislation to the "prison pipeline" and inadequate public housing. The hosts criticize her rhetoric as factually incorrect, asserting that no current legislation prevents women from making choices about their own bodies with their own money.

Keywords: [frederica wilson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/frederica-wilson.md), reproductive organs, [foster care](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/foster-care.md), prison pipeline, anti-choice, [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Luxury Tax on Tampons and Gendered Legislation (1:52:29–1:55:22)

In a YouTube interview, President Obama was asked why many states still apply a luxury tax to tampons. Obama admitted he had no idea why the tax exists but speculated it was because men were making the laws when the taxes were passed. The hosts push back against the narrative that white men are the "enemy" in this debate, arguing that the issue is a matter of state tax policy rather than a coordinated effort to oppress women.

Keywords: tampon tax, luxury tax, [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [michelle obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michelle-obama.md), gender equity, [white men](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-men.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Chris Hedges and the "International Imperial War" (1:55:24–1:58:42)

On his RT program, Pulitzer Prize winner Chris Hedges hosted a socialist commentator who critiqued the Obama administration's domestic and foreign policies. The guest argued that Obama's primary goal was to protect the insurance and drug industries by eliminating the threat of single-payer healthcare. He also coined the term "International Imperial War" to describe the Obama doctrine of humanitarian military intervention.

Keywords: [chris hedges](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-hedges.md), [rt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rt.md), obama doctrine, [single payer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/single-payer.md), [social security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-security.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Obama's Influence on Black Skepticism of Military Power (1:58:44–2:01:16)

A socialist radio host argues that the election of Barack Obama weakened the traditional skepticism Black Americans held toward U.S. military power. Historically, Black communities have been the most opposed to foreign adventures due to their own experiences with domestic security forces. However, polls taken during the 2013 Syrian crisis showed that for the first time, a higher proportion of Black citizens supported airstrikes compared to white citizens, which the guest attributes to Obama's personal influence.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), black america, [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [military intervention](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-intervention.md), [skepticism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skepticism.md), [polls](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/polls.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Tulsi Gabbard's Fact-Finding Mission to Syria (2:01:18–2:06:23)

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard traveled to Syria to meet with President Bashar al-Assad and civilians in Aleppo and Damascus. In an interview with Jake Tapper, she reported that Syrian citizens questioned why the U.S. is arming "moderate rebels" who are indistinguishable from terrorist groups like Al-Nusra and ISIS. Gabbard emphasized that peace requires talking to enemies and that the Syrian people, not the U.S. government, should determine their country's future.

Keywords: [tulsi gabbard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tulsi-gabbard.md), [jake tapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jake-tapper.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [aleppo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aleppo.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [moderate rebels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moderate-rebels.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/38.md)

### 39. The Netherlands' "America First, Netherlands Second" Video (2:06:24–2:10:23)

A satirical video from a Dutch comedy show went viral, introducing The Netherlands to President Trump using his own rhetorical style. The video highlights Dutch landmarks and history, including "William of Orange," and requests that while Trump puts "America First," he considers putting "The Netherlands Second." The hosts find the video genuinely funny compared to American late-night comedy, though they note it relies heavily on visual gags.

Keywords: [the netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-netherlands.md), william of orange, [satire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satire.md), [late night](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/late-night.md), arjen lubach, trump parody

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Chemical Weapons Threat Warnings in Germany (2:10:25–2:12:13)

The German government and Federal Criminal Police have issued warnings regarding potential chemical weapons attacks on food and water supplies. These concerns are heightened by reports of military equipment stolen from a U.S. base in Stuttgart and the discovery of a bomb factory in Brussels. Additionally, two nuclear power plant workers reportedly fled to Syria to join ISIL, raising alarms about the security of critical infrastructure in Europe.

Keywords: [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [chemical weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemical-weapons.md), [stuttgart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stuttgart.md), [isil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isil.md), [nuclear power](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-power.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/40.md)

### 41. UK Prime Minister Theresa May on "UK First" Trade (2:12:14–2:14:43)

During Prime Minister's Questions, Scottish MP Angus Robertson challenged Theresa May on whether a post-Brexit trade deal with the U.S. would result in lower food safety standards, such as the introduction of chlorinated chicken and GMOs. May responded by stating she would put "UK interests and values first" in any negotiation. The hosts note the irony of the media's negative reaction to Trump's "America First" slogan while May uses similar nationalist rhetoric.

Keywords: [theresa may](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/theresa-may.md), [angus robertson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angus-robertson.md), [scotland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scotland.md), [brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), [trade deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deal.md), [gmos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gmos.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Naomi Klein on the "America First-ism" of Labor Unions (2:14:43–2:18:50)

Socialist author Naomi Klein argues that the U.S. labor movement made a "moral failure" by adopting "America First-ism" and xenophobic rhetoric against Chinese workers. She suggests that by failing to promote internationalist worker rights, unions left a vacuum that Donald Trump was able to fill with his own brand of hyper-nationalism. The hosts discuss how the "no borders, no nations" ideology has permeated modern education, leaving young people without an understanding of civic structures.

Keywords: [naomi klein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/naomi-klein.md), [labor unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/labor-unions.md), [nafta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nafta.md), [wto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wto.md), [xenophobia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xenophobia.md), [globalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/globalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/42.md)

### 43. The Failure of the Schengen Agreement and Open Borders (2:18:51–2:21:08)

The hosts discuss the suspension of the Schengen Agreement and the return of border controls within the European Union as evidence that the "no nations" project is failing. They draw parallels to the era before World War I, when borders were relatively open and passports were not required, suggesting that such systems often lead to cultural clashes and conflict. They argue that distinct national cultures require borders for protection and stability.

Keywords: [schengen agreement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schengen-agreement.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), [world war i](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-i.md), [passports](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/passports.md), [borders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/borders.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Cultural Incompatibility and the Nation-State System (2:21:09–2:25:14)

The justification for the nation-state system is presented as a necessary response to the reality of distinct, often incompatible cultures. The hosts argue that multiculturalism has failed in Europe because certain religious and governmental frameworks do not align with Western values. They cite the long-standing racial tensions in the United States as proof that even groups living together for centuries struggle with full integration, making open borders in Europe even more problematic.

Keywords: [nation-state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nation-state.md), [multiculturalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/multiculturalism.md), [islam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/islam.md), [western culture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/western-culture.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [assimilation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assimilation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/44.md)

### 45. The Internet's Role in Promoting Globalist Ideology (2:25:15–2:26:54)

The hosts reflect on how the internet and modern university systems, such as UC Berkeley, have accelerated the promotion of globalist "one world" ideologies. They suggest that many young people who support these ideas have never traveled outside of luxury resorts and lack a practical understanding of how different societies function. They argue that real-world travel and an understanding of history are the best antidotes to being manipulated by globalist memes.

Keywords: [internet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet.md), [globalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/globalism.md), [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md), [travel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel.md), [berkeley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berkeley.md), [one world government](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/one-world-government.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Bloomberg's "Lies as a Loyalty Test" Theory (2:26:55–2:31:10)

Bloomberg published a theory suggesting that the Trump administration uses "untruths" as a loyalty test for subordinates. By forcing staff to defend easily disprovable claims, the leader makes them more dependent on the administration and less likely to rebel. The hosts mock this analysis as "dumb" and point to the Financial Times as another example of an organization where the staff's social media presence reflects a deep-seated institutional hatred for the President.

Keywords: [bloomberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bloomberg.md), [sean spicer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-spicer.md), [loyalty test](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/loyalty-test.md), chains of lies, [financial times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/financial-times.md), [pr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Sponsor segment: Knighting Ceremony and Associate Producer Credits (2:31:12–2:36:25)

The hosts conduct a formal knighthood ceremony for Sir Wapcaplets and Sir Lex from Brooklyn, who have each contributed over $1,000 to the show. They also acknowledge a long list of $50 and $90 donors from various locations, including Spain, Canada, and across the United States. The segment includes the traditional "Hookers & Blow" proclamation and a reminder about the upcoming Episode 900.

Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), sir wapcaplets, sir lex, [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md), [barony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barony.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Adam Curry's Home Shopping Network Audition (2:36:26–2:40:52)

Adam Curry recounts a humorous story about his failed audition for the Home Shopping Network. During the screen test, he was asked to describe a shaving kit indefinitely and made an off-color joke about the "beaver hair" brush, which he believes cost him the job. The hosts use the anecdote to transition into a discussion about the "podcast licenses" they offer to their producers as a reward for their support.

Keywords: [home shopping network](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/home-shopping-network.md), [audition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audition.md), shaving kit, beaver hair, [qvc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/qvc.md), [podcast license](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-license.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/48.md)

### 49. PBS Reliance on Washington Post and New York Times (2:40:52–2:46:48)

The hosts criticize PBS for its heavy reliance on reporters from the Washington Post and New York Times instead of conducting original reporting. They describe this as a "chain of lies" where one outlet simply repeats the claims of another. Additionally, they deconstruct the acronym "EMILY's List," revealing it stands for "Early Money Is Like Yeast," a Democratic fundraising organization they previously thought was named after a person.

Keywords: [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [jeff bezos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff-bezos.md), [emily's list](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emily-s-list.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Kellyanne Conway's Stand-Up Comedy Performance (2:46:49–2:52:05)

Kellyanne Conway performed a stand-up comedy routine at a charity event, which the hosts critique for its poor delivery and scripted nature. One joke involved her being "accurately quoted" in a news article, which she compared to seeing Haley's Comet. Despite being a fan of her political work, the hosts agree that her attempt at comedy was unsuccessful and likely written by a professional joke writer.

Keywords: [kellyanne conway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kellyanne-conway.md), [stand-up comedy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stand-up-comedy.md), charity event, haley's comet, [jokes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jokes.md), [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Episode 898 Outro and End-of-Show Mix (2:52:05–2:59:09)

The hosts conclude Episode 898, reminding listeners to support the show via donations to maintain its "no advertising" model. They look forward to the milestone Episode 900 and sign off from their respective locations in Austin and Northern Silicon Valley. The show ends with a complex audio mix featuring clips from the episode, including references to "Cheeto dust," "white supremacy," and "Douchebag Disneyland."

Keywords: episode 900, [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md), fima, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), no agenda mix

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/898-chain-of-lies/chapter/51.md)

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