# Kinetic Kill

> A ninth anniversary deep dive into the linguistic framing of the 2016 election, rising Obamacare premiums, and the escalating military tensions between NATO and Russia.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 872
- **Published:** 2016-10-27
- **Length:** 3h 6m
- **Topics:** Kinetic Kill, Obamacare Premiums, Podesta Emails, Syria No-Fly Zone, MacBook Touch Bar, Calais Jungle, Norpoth Model
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill

## About this episode

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton enter the final two weeks of the 2016 election as Newt Gingrich and Megyn Kelly engage in a viral televised clash over sexual predator labels. While Senator Elizabeth Warren rallies the sisterhood in Florida, Professor Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University breaks from mainstream pollsters to predict a Trump victory based on historical primary performance cycles. Filmmaker Michael Moore further complicates the narrative by describing the Republican nominee as a human Molotov cocktail for the working class in the Rust Belt.

Jonathan Gruber defended the Affordable Care Act on CNN amid projections of a 25 percent premium hike for 2017, while Angela Rye attributed the law's failures to Republican obstruction. In the Middle East, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper warned that a Syrian no-fly zone could lead to Russian forces shooting down American aircraft. Meanwhile, John Podesta faced scrutiny over State Department lobbying ties involving Heather Podesta and $19 billion in Qatari defense contracts. The tech world saw Apple reveal the new MacBook Pro Touch Bar as Anheuser-Busch completed the first commercial delivery via a self-driving truck in Colorado.

John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry celebrate the ninth anniversary of the broadcast by deconstructing the linguistic shift from campaign surrogates to operatives. The duo examines the United Nations naming Wonder Woman an honorary ambassador and the bizarre Afghan tradition of burning down the Calais Jungle camp. Sir Thomas Hithaller joins the No Agenda Roundtable as the show analyzes the rise of kinetic kill terminology in modern drone warfare.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Ninth Anniversary Celebration and Plato Anecdotes (0:00–2:20)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak celebrate the ninth anniversary of the No Agenda show on October 27, 2016. Dvorak introduces a new opening joke format using Plato and Aristotle to avoid accusations of cultural appropriation regarding his previous Confucius-style jokes. The hosts reflect on their long-term partnership and acknowledge the contributions of the show's producers over nearly a decade of broadcasting.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), ninth anniversary, [plato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plato.md), [confucius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/confucius.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/1.md)

### 2. KTVU Weather Forecast Inaccuracy and Orographic Lifting (2:20–6:20)

John C. Dvorak criticizes a KTVU weather reporter for ignoring official government weather models to make a personal prediction of heavy rain that failed to materialize. The reporter described subtropical moisture as "jet fuel" for storms and utilized the term "orographic lifting" to explain the predicted precipitation. Despite the forecast for a wet morning commute in Northern California, conditions remained dry.

Keywords: [ktvu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ktvu.md), weather model, orographic lifting, [jet fuel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jet-fuel.md), moisture, [meteorology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meteorology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/2.md)

### 3. TSA Luggage Inspection Damage and Stolen Wine Incidents (6:21–11:10)

A traveler's WWE Roman Reigns action figure packaging was reportedly damaged by TSA agents during an inspection, leading to a discussion about airport security misconduct. The hosts recount similar stories, including The Byrds' guitarist Roger McGuinn finding a hole punched in a collector's guitar and a woman at JFK Airport reporting two missing cases of expensive Gaja wine. These anecdotes serve to highlight perceived incompetence and theft within the Transportation Security Administration.

Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [wwe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wwe.md), roman reigns, [roger mcguinn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roger-mcguinn.md), gaja wine, [airport security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airport-security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Wikipedia Trump Supporter Label and Russian Intrusion Claims (11:11–15:49)

John C. Dvorak disputes his classification as a Donald Trump supporter on Wikipedia, arguing that the platform's administrative restrictions prevent him from correcting his own page. The discussion shifts to the UK economy's resilience following the Brexit vote, noting the IMF's admission that its post-referendum crash predictions were too pessimistic. Additionally, the hosts mock Representative Sheila Jackson Lee for attributing Wikipedia's information leaks to Russian intrusion.

Keywords: [wikipedia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikipedia.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), [imf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imf.md), [sheila jackson lee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sheila-jackson-lee.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Media Advertising Revenue and Strategic Election Polling (15:50–18:51)

The hosts analyze the financial incentives for media companies during election cycles, referencing former CBS CEO Les Moonves' comments on the "political advertising bonanza." They argue that polls are utilized as marketing tools to create a sense of a close race, thereby pressuring candidates like Hillary Clinton to spend their remaining campaign funds on television advertising. This "scam" is presented as a method for broadcasting operations to maximize quarterly earnings.

Keywords: [les moonves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/les-moonves.md), [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md), [political advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-advertising.md), [election polls](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/election-polls.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Obamacare Open Enrollment and Jonathan Gruber CNN Interview (18:52–24:52)

The 2016 Obamacare open enrollment period is identified as a major campaign issue due to rising premiums and insurers exiting the marketplace. Architect Jonathan Gruber appears on CNN to suggest that the system requires a larger individual mandate penalty to punish "free-riders" and bring more people into the system. Gruber defends the law as a bipartisan solution based on Republican principles, while the hosts characterize the rising costs as a "disruptive innovation" scam.

Keywords: [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), jonathan gruber, [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [individual mandate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/individual-mandate.md), [health insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-insurance.md), [premiums](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/premiums.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Health Insurance Premium Hikes and Preventative Care Skepticism (24:53–28:33)

Media reports from CBS and other outlets confirm a projected 25% average increase in mid-level health plan premiums for 2017. Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz defends the Affordable Care Act by citing the 20 million people who gained coverage, a figure the hosts dispute as inflated. The segment also critiques the concept of "preventative care" as a marketing term for pharmaceutical interventions like vaccines and statins.

Keywords: [charlie rose](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlie-rose.md), [nora o'donnell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nora-o-donnell.md), [debbie wasserman schultz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debbie-wasserman-schultz.md), [subsidies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subsidies.md), preventative care, [health insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-insurance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Cash Payment Strategies for Uninsured Hospital Visits (28:34–33:34)

A discussion on the financial viability of remaining uninsured reveals that paying the IRS penalty is significantly cheaper than monthly premiums and high deductibles. One host explains a strategy of paying hospital bills in cash at "30 cents on the dollar," claiming that medical providers often accept lower payments to avoid negotiating with insurance companies. A personal anecdote regarding a $30,000 appendectomy bill illustrates the disparity between billed amounts and actual costs.

Keywords: [health insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-insurance.md), irs penalty, hospital bills, cash discount, appendectomy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Congressional Staffer Angela Rye Blames Republicans for ACA Failures (33:36–36:31)

Former Congressional staffer Angela Rye argues on CNN that the failures of the Affordable Care Act, including rising premiums, are the fault of Republicans who refused to "act in good will." Rye claims that Hillary Clinton's new proposal for tax credits for medical expenses is a novel solution, though the hosts point out that such credits already exist. The segment portrays Rye's arguments as partisan deflection for the law's inherent flaws.

Keywords: [angela rye](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-rye.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [affordable care act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affordable-care-act.md), [republicans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republicans.md), [tax credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-credits.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/9.md)

### 10. International Healthcare Comparisons and Private Care Waiting Lists (36:33–41:25)

The hosts compare healthcare experiences in the US, UK, Netherlands, and France, noting that single-payer systems often result in long waiting lists for procedures like MRIs. An anecdote about a $1,100 monthly quote to add a partner to a corporate health plan highlights domestic cost issues. Conversely, the French healthcare system is praised for its efficiency, though it is noted that its structure is "alien" to the American HMO model.

Keywords: [ronald mcdonald house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ronald-mcdonald-house.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [nhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nhs.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [mri](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mri.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/10.md)

### 11. PBS NewsHour Report on White Nationalism in Indiana (41:25–45:11)

A PBS NewsHour report on white nationalist Matthew Heimbach is analyzed for its use of "subtle propagandistic" language. The hosts highlight the reporter's use of the term "Southern Indiana" as a pejorative intended to associate the region with racism and "hicks." The segment suggests that the media is attempting to link Donald Trump's immigration rhetoric directly to the growth of alt-right groups.

Keywords: [pbs newshour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs-newshour.md), [white nationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-nationalism.md), [indiana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indiana.md), matthew heimbach, [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), southern indiana

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Linguistic Framing of Political Surrogates and Operatives (45:12–47:39)

The hosts deconstruct the media's use of the words "surrogate" and "operative" to describe campaign representatives. They observe that Hillary Clinton's supporters are typically called "surrogates," a term implying a nurturing or motherly role, while Donald Trump's supporters are labeled "operatives," which carries a more sinister, military, or spy-like connotation. This linguistic framing is presented as a subconscious method of influencing public perception.

Keywords: surrogate, operative, [john podesta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-podesta.md), [roger stone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roger-stone.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Executive Producer Donations and China Economics Anecdote (47:40–54:50)

The show acknowledges high-value donations from Executive Producers Jeremy Falk in Mexico and Patrick Seymour in Ohio. A third major donor, James Rogers, clarifies he is not the famous investor but an economics teacher in China who uses No Agenda analysis in his classroom. The hosts discuss a technical error in their donation button that mistakenly asked for "Dad's name" due to a recycled Father's Day template.

Keywords: jeremy falk, [patrick seymour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patrick-seymour.md), james rogers, [yucatan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yucatan.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [economics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Newt Gingrich and Megyn Kelly Sexual Predator Debate (54:51–1:01:05)

Newt Gingrich and Megyn Kelly engage in a heated televised debate regarding the media's focus on Donald Trump's alleged sexual misconduct versus Hillary Clinton's policy speeches. Gingrich challenges Kelly to use the term "sexual predator" to describe Bill Clinton, leading to a viral moment where Kelly tells Gingrich to work on his "anger issues." Adam Curry highlights a specific hand gesture made by Kelly at the end of the segment, interpreting it as a "wanking" motion.

Keywords: [newt gingrich](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newt-gingrich.md), [megyn kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/megyn-kelly.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [sexual predator](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexual-predator.md), wanking gesture

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren Sisterhood Campaign (1:01:05–1:04:37)

Hillary Clinton and Senator Elizabeth Warren campaign together in Florida, leaning into the "nasty woman" comment made by Donald Trump during a debate. Warren calls on "the sisterhood" to vote against Trump, a move the hosts characterize as overtly sexist. The segment examines the campaign's shift toward identity politics and gender-based appeals in the final two weeks of the 2016 election.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [elizabeth warren](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elizabeth-warren.md), nasty woman, sisterhood, [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [sexism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Evan McMullin Strategy to Block Electoral College (1:04:38–1:06:23)

Independent candidate Evan McMullin admits on a podcast that his strategy is not to win the presidency outright but to win enough electoral votes in states like Utah to block both major candidates. McMullin, a former CIA officer and Goldman Sachs employee, states his primary goal is to prevent Donald Trump from taking power. The hosts dismiss McMullin as an "asshole" working for the establishment.

Keywords: [evan mcmullin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/evan-mcmullin.md), [utah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/utah.md), [electoral college](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electoral-college.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [third party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/third-party.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Professor Helmut Norpoth Predicts Trump Victory (1:06:24–1:10:09)

Stony Brook University Professor Helmut Norpoth discusses his "Primary Model," which predicts a Donald Trump victory based on primary performance and historical cycles. Norpoth notes that the candidate who performs better in their party's primaries almost always wins the general election. He also mentions having placed a legal bet on his prediction through the Iowa Electronic Markets, standing apart from mainstream pollsters.

Keywords: helmut norpoth, stony brook university, primary model, iowa electronic markets, election prediction

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Michael Moore Explains the Trump Phenomenon (1:10:09–1:15:16)

Filmmaker Michael Moore describes Donald Trump as a "human Molotov cocktail" for the forgotten working class in the "Brexit states" of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Moore argues that Trump's rhetoric regarding tariffs and factory closures resonates with people who have lost their jobs and homes. He predicts that the election will be the "biggest fuck-you" in human history as the dispossessed vote against the elites.

Keywords: [michael moore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-moore.md), [detroit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detroit.md), rust belt, [tariffs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tariffs.md), brexit states, [middle class](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/middle-class.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Jessica Drake and Adult Film Star Allegations (1:15:17–1:18:34)

Adult film star Jessica Drake becomes the 11th woman to accuse Donald Trump of unwanted sexual advances, claiming he offered her $10,000 to join him in his suite. The hosts express skepticism regarding the timing and nature of the allegations, suggesting that individuals in the adult film industry might be susceptible to being paid for such stories. They recount their own experiences attending adult video conferences in Las Vegas to provide context on the industry.

Keywords: jessica drake, [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), adult film star, [sexual misconduct](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexual-misconduct.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), avn

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Sally Kohn and Voter Fraud Debate on CNN (1:18:36–1:23:49)

A contentious debate on CNN features Sally Kohn and a Trump supporter discussing allegations of rampant voter fraud and the findings of Project Veritas. Kohn dismisses the claims as a threat to the democratic process, while the Trump supporter cites Pew studies regarding inaccurate voter rolls. The segment culminates in Kohn shouting "Because it's not happening!" in response to claims of fraudulent rolls, which the hosts highlight as a moment of cognitive dissonance.

Keywords: [sally kohn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sally-kohn.md), [carol costello](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carol-costello.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [voter fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voter-fraud.md), [project veritas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/project-veritas.md), pew study

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Apple MacBook Touch Bar Reveal and Finger Snapping (1:23:49–1:25:52)

During the reveal of the new Apple MacBook Pro with a "Touch Bar," employees at the Apple campus reportedly snapped their fingers instead of clapping. The hosts compare this behavior to 1950s beatniks at a poetry slam. This brief tech update is followed by a mention of a Reuters poll showing that half of Republican voters would reject the election results if Hillary Clinton wins.

Keywords: [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [macbook pro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macbook-pro.md), touch bar, beatniks, poetry slam, [tech news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Wolf Blitzer and Kellyanne Conway Media Bias Clash (1:25:52–1:30:17)

Wolf Blitzer expresses concern for the safety of young journalists at Trump rallies, asking Kellyanne Conway to intervene. Conway counters by pointing out the "collusion" between journalists and the Clinton campaign revealed in leaked emails, specifically mentioning reporters allowing John Podesta to edit their quotes. She also notes that the Twitter feeds of many "embed" journalists are overwhelmingly negative toward Donald Trump, suggesting the responsibility for fairness goes both ways.

Keywords: [wolf blitzer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wolf-blitzer.md), [kellyanne conway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kellyanne-conway.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [john podesta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-podesta.md), [freedom of the press](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freedom-of-the-press.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Political Vandalism and Social Media Echo Chambers (1:30:18–1:33:44)

The segment reports on the destruction of Donald Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and local incidents of vandalism against Trump supporters' property. Adam Curry shares an anecdote about a private Facebook group for former MTV employees where supporting Trump is treated as a "social faux pas." The hosts argue that the lack of visible Trump support, such as bumper stickers, is due to fear of retribution and property damage.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), hollywood walk of fame, [mtv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mtv.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [vandalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vandalism.md), social faux pas

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Podesta Family Lobbying and Qatar Defense Contracts (1:33:45–1:36:11)

A State Department briefing features a reporter questioning spokesperson John Kirby about the "cozy" relationship between John Podesta and his sister-in-law, lobbyist Heather Podesta. In 2012, while John Podesta served as a counselor to the State Department, Heather Podesta's firm saw a surge in foreign military sales contracts, including $19 billion in deals with Qatar. The hosts highlight the lack of a substantive answer from the State Department regarding this potential conflict of interest.

Keywords: [john podesta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-podesta.md), heather podesta, [qatar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/qatar.md), [department of state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-state.md), [lobbying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lobbying.md), [defense contracts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/defense-contracts.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton Climate Change Alliance (1:36:11–1:38:09)

Despite documented animosity between the Clintons and the Gores, Al Gore appears on stage with Hillary Clinton in Florida to discuss climate change. Leaked emails from Cheryl Mills suggest that Gore's endorsement was not a given. The hosts speculate that Gore's participation is a strategic move to secure a position as UN Ambassador for climate change in a potential Clinton administration.

Keywords: [al gore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-gore.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), un ambassador, [cheryl mills](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cheryl-mills.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Greenhouse Gas Milestone and Pre-Industrial CO2 Levels (1:38:12–1:40:40)

PBS NewsHour anchor Judy Woodruff reports that atmospheric carbon dioxide has reached a "grim milestone" of 400 parts per million. The report claims this is 44% higher than pre-Industrial Revolution levels and could take tens of thousands of years to reverse. The hosts mock the comparison as irrelevant, questioning the validity of using the pre-industrial era as a baseline for modern atmospheric standards.

Keywords: [judy woodruff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/judy-woodruff.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [carbon dioxide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-dioxide.md), [greenhouse gases](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greenhouse-gases.md), [industrial revolution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/industrial-revolution.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/26.md)

### 27. James Clapper Warns Against Syria No-Fly Zone (1:40:42–1:43:45)

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper warns that Russia's sophisticated air defense systems in Syria could lead to the shooting down of American aircraft if a no-fly zone is imposed. This contradicts Hillary Clinton's proposed policy, which Donald Trump has warned could lead to World War III. The hosts note a shift in the media narrative, moving from the US shooting down Russian jets to the threat of Russia shooting down US planes.

Keywords: [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [no-fly zone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-fly-zone.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [air defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-defense.md), [world war iii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-iii.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/27.md)

### 28. NATO Troop Buildup and Russian Defense Narrative (1:43:46–1:46:21)

NATO plans to deploy battle groups to Poland and the Baltic states as tensions rise between Russia and the West over the Syrian crisis. The hosts observe that the US is also placing troops in Norway, contributing to a global military buildup. They criticize the media for framing Russia as the aggressor while the US and NATO expand their presence near Russian borders.

Keywords: [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [poland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poland.md), [norway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norway.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), military buildup

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/28.md)

### 29. PBS Allegations of Russian Barrel Bombs and White Phosphorus (1:46:22–1:51:15)

A PBS NewsHour report features a commander from the Free Syrian Army claiming that Russian and Syrian jets are dropping barrel bombs, cluster bombs, and white phosphorus on civilians. John C. Dvorak disputes the technical possibility of jets dropping barrel bombs, which are typically deployed from helicopters. The hosts characterize the report as a "sales call" for more US weapons to be sent to Syrian rebels.

Keywords: [pbs newshour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs-newshour.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [barrel bombs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barrel-bombs.md), [white phosphorus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-phosphorus.md), [cluster bombs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cluster-bombs.md), [free syrian army](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-syrian-army.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Airshow China 2016 and Global Arms Race (1:51:17–1:52:51)

The upcoming Airshow China 2016 in Zhuhai is highlighted as a major event for the global arms industry, with Russia as the primary exhibitor. The hosts discuss the "arms race" to profit from conflicts in the Middle East, including Yemen. They suggest that military hardware is being "exhibited" in real-world combat zones to serve as a sales pitch for international buyers.

Keywords: airshow china, zhuhai, [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), military hardware, [arms race](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arms-race.md), [middle east](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/middle-east.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/30.md)

### 31. ISIL Drone Usage and Kinetic Kill Terminology (1:52:51–1:56:34)

A US military commander in Iraq describes ISIL's "creative" use of drones for reconnaissance and as "Trojan horses" rigged with explosives. The commander uses the term "kinetic kill" to describe shooting down drones with small arms fire. The hosts mock the use of such "idiotic" military terminology and predict that these stories will be used to justify new regulations or bans on civilian drones in the United States.

Keywords: [isil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isil.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [uav](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uav.md), kinetic kill, [trojan horse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trojan-horse.md), [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/31.md)

### 32. NCIS New Orleans Drone Swarm and CIA Domestic Operations (1:56:35–2:00:03)

An episode of NCIS: New Orleans featuring a "swarm of drones" and CIA agents operating on domestic soil is analyzed as predictive programming. The hosts suggest the show is acclimating the public to the presence of law enforcement drones and the normalization of intelligence agencies working within US borders. They note the "mixed messages" in television dramas that both exalt and criticize federal agencies.

Keywords: ncis new orleans, [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [domestic spying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/domestic-spying.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [television](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/television.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Secrets of ISIS 1970s TV Show and UN Wonder Woman (2:00:04–2:02:19)

The hosts revisit the 1970s television show "The Secrets of ISIS," which featured a science teacher endowed with powers by the goddess Isis. This follows a discussion about the United Nations naming Wonder Woman as an honorary ambassador. They joke that modern news reports on the terrorist group ISIS should adopt the show's dramatic opening narration for comedic effect.

Keywords: secrets of isis, [wonder woman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wonder-woman.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), 1970s tv, hatshepsut

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Anniversary Donation Segment and Global Producer Roll Call (2:02:20–2:12:49)

In a lengthy donation segment for the ninth anniversary, the hosts thank producers from around the world, including Germany, Australia, Canada, and the UK. Notable contributions include a $1,000 donation from Thomas Hithaller and various "Niner Niner" ($99.99) donations. The segment highlights the show's diverse international audience and the "value-for-value" model that sustains the broadcast.

Keywords: keith warford, thomas hithaller, [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Dame Molly of the Deep South and Transgender Producers (2:12:50–2:16:15)

Producer Molly Peppercan Kincade requests a title change to "Dame Molly of the Deep South" and identifies as a transgender producer. The hosts discuss the use of emojis in donation notes, specifically the "tongue sticking out" face, which some interpret as a "raspberries" gesture. They acknowledge their transgender audience members and grant the requested title upgrade.

Keywords: dame molly, [transgender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transgender.md), [title change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/title-change.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), raspberries emoji

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Baron of Guam and No Agenda Book Club (2:16:16–2:22:41)

Sir Chad Biderman, the "Baron of Guam," sends a professional letterhead note thanking the show for introducing him to the "Congressional Dish" podcast and the "No Agenda Book Club." He mentions reading "Amusing Ourselves to Death" and "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" as a result of show recommendations. Adam Curry also mentions considering adding Lance Armstrong's podcast to the No Agenda stream.

Keywords: sir chad biderman, baron of guam, [congressional dish](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congressional-dish.md), [lance armstrong](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lance-armstrong.md), [audiobooks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audiobooks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Knighting Ceremony for Sir Thomas Hithaller (2:22:42–2:26:32)

Thomas Hithaller is officially knighted as "Sir Hithaller, Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable" for his contribution of $1,000. The hosts perform the traditional knighting ceremony, listing the humorous "load" of rewards provided to new knights. They speculate that Hithaller may be Viennese and encourage him to share photos of his knight's ring on social media.

Keywords: thomas hithaller, [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [vienna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vienna.md), [no agenda roundtable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-roundtable.md), [ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceremony.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/37.md)

### 38. GASB Pension Accounting and 2017 Bond Market Collapse (2:26:32–2:32:51)

John C. Dvorak warns of an upcoming collapse in the municipal bond market triggered by new Government Accounting Standards Board (GASB) rules. These statements (68-74) require cities to list unfunded pension liabilities on their primary balance sheets, which will reveal that many California cities are effectively broke. Dvorak predicts this financial realization will occur in mid-2017, potentially creating opportunities for investors to short bonds or move into gold and Bitcoin.

Keywords: gasb, pension crisis, [bond market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bond-market.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [2017](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2017.md), accounting standards

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Twitter Search Algorithm and Shadow Banning Concerns (2:32:52–2:35:40)

John C. Dvorak complains about changes to Twitter's search algorithm that make it difficult to find Adam Curry's profile. He notes that searching for "Curry" now prioritizes NBA player Stephen Curry, even though Dvorak and Adam Curry follow each other. The hosts discuss the possibility of "shadow banning" and the general decline in Twitter's usability for connected users.

Keywords: [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), search algorithm, [stephen curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-curry.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [shadow banning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shadow-banning.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/39.md)

### 40. GLAAD Style Guide and LGBTQQIAAP Acronym Expansion (2:35:42–2:38:49)

The media advocacy organization GLAAD releases the 10th edition of its style guide, requesting that journalists use the acronym "LGBTQ" to include "Queer." The hosts discuss the historical reclamation of the word "queer" from a slur to a broad identity label. They review the full expanded acronym, which includes "Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Allied, and Pansexual," questioning the logic of grouping these distinct identities into a single community.

Keywords: [glaad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glaad.md), [lgbtq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lgbtq.md), [queer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/queer.md), [style guide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/style-guide.md), [time magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/time-magazine.md), [terminology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terminology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Showtime's Shameless and Gender Identity Satire (2:38:50–2:42:56)

A clip from the television show "Shameless" features a character being introduced to a group of people using highly specific gender and sexual identity labels, such as "triracial cisgendered girlfag." While Dvorak initially takes the scene seriously, Curry argues it is a "high comedy" mockery of modern identity politics. The segment leads to a joke about a "decoder app" and badges for people to display their complex pronouns and identities.

Keywords: shameless, [showtime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/showtime.md), [gender identity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gender-identity.md), [pronouns](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pronouns.md), [cisgender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cisgender.md), [satire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satire.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Swedish Christmas Light Bans and Globalist Pushback (2:42:56–2:45:38)

Several Swedish towns are reportedly canceling traditional Christmas light displays on public poles, officially for "security reasons" related to the weight of the lights. The hosts link this to the broader impact of the migrant crisis in Europe and the resulting cultural friction. They frame the 2016 election as a battle between "globalists" and "nationalists," with Brexit and Donald Trump representing a pushback against globalist agendas.

Keywords: [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [christmas lights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas-lights.md), [migrants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migrants.md), [brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), [globalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/globalism.md), [nationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nationalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Calais Jungle Camp Dismantling and Afghan Burning Tradition (2:45:39–2:52:35)

French authorities complete the dismantling of the "Jungle" migrant camp in Calais, relocating over 6,000 people. Reports from RT show massive fires set by residents in protest, while a PBS report cites a French official claiming that burning one's home upon departure is an "Afghan tradition." The hosts find the "tradition" explanation highly suspicious, suggesting it may be a cover for the chaotic nature of the eviction.

Keywords: [calais](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/calais.md), [the jungle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-jungle.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [rt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rt.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/43.md)

### 44. French Police Protests and Muslim No-Go Zones (2:52:35–2:57:26)

French police officers hold spontaneous protests in Paris over a lack of resources and the dangers of "no-go zones" where they are frequently attacked. The discussion extends to the existence of similar "enclaves" in the United States, such as in Texas and New York, where Islamic extremist groups reportedly conduct training. The hosts criticize the FBI for allowing these groups to operate under First Amendment protections despite reports of guerrilla warfare training.

Keywords: [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [police unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police-unions.md), [no-go zones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-go-zones.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), islamic extremists, [security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/44.md)

### 45. National Anthem Protests and D'Nessia Lawrence (2:57:26–3:00:28)

The movement to protest the national anthem, sparked by Colin Kaepernick, continues at various sporting events. In Miami, singer D'Nessia Lawrence took a knee while performing the Star Spangled Banner to reveal a Black Lives Matter t-shirt. The hosts criticize the logic of protesting the anthem while being the one hired to perform it, calling the act "crazy" and "confused."

Keywords: [colin kaepernick](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colin-kaepernick.md), d'nessia lawrence, [national anthem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-anthem.md), [black lives matter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-lives-matter.md), [miami heat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miami-heat.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Self-Driving Beer Truck and Show Sign-Off (3:00:30–3:05:59)

Anheuser-Busch completes the first commercial delivery using a self-driving truck, hauling Budweiser beer 120 miles across Colorado. John C. Dvorak questions the efficiency of the technology, noting that a human driver is still required to be on board and perform the actual delivery of the beer to the customer. The show concludes with a final celebration of the ninth anniversary and a look forward to the tenth year of broadcasting.

Keywords: [budweiser](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/budweiser.md), self-driving truck, [colorado](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colorado.md), otto, [anheuser-busch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anheuser-busch.md), ninth anniversary

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/872-kinetic-kill/chapter/46.md)

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