# Delay or Avoid

> A massive security breach at the NSA and a candid critique of healthcare from a former president upend the current election cycle narrative.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 866
- **Published:** 2016-10-06
- **Length:** 2h 59m
- **Topics:** NSA arrest, Obamacare criticism, VP Debate, Libya weapons, Yuan reserve, Climate taxes, Samsung fires
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid

## About this episode

Federal authorities arrested Booz Allen Hamilton contractor Harold Martin III for the alleged theft of massive amounts of top-secret NSA computer codes and classified documents. The recovery of digital and hard-copy material from Martin’s home and vehicle draws immediate comparisons to the handling of Hillary Clinton’s private email server, suggesting a strategic timing for the arrest. Meanwhile, Judge Andrew Napolitano and former NSA official William Binney posit that recent DNC leaks may have originated from within the intelligence community rather than Russian hackers, citing internal anger over the mishandling of sensitive gamma material.

In the wake of the vice presidential debate, Mike Pence is characterized as a cool customer against an aggressive Tim Kaine, whose performance at Longwood University was marked by constant interruptions. Former Governor Jennifer Granholm faced a visible disconnect with younger female voters at a sorority house, while Bill Clinton publicly criticized the Affordable Care Act as the craziest thing in the world due to skyrocketing premiums. Additionally, the Department of Justice moved to dismiss charges against arms dealer Marc Turi to prevent the exposure of a covert Obama administration program that allegedly funneled weapons to extremist groups in Libya and Syria.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the reversal of traditional party colors on the debate stage and the symbolism of Kaine’s Blue Star Service Pin. The show acknowledges major producers Ty Tran and Sir Ryan for their contributions to the value-for-value model. Adam Curry also prepares to challenge the traditional broadcast industry at a Syracuse University media panel, arguing that mainstream distribution is in a slow-motion death spiral.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, Episode 866 Introduction (0:00–1:33)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 866 of the No Agenda show from Austin, Texas and Northern Silicon Valley. Dvorak continues his bit of reading numbered Confucius sayings, noting he has enough to last until episode 1000. Curry announces his upcoming trip to New York to speak on a media panel at Syracuse University's Newhouse School.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [confucius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/confucius.md), episode 866

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Mike Pence, Tim Kaine, Vice Presidential Debate Analysis (1:34–4:56)

The hosts analyze the vice presidential debate between Mike Pence and Tim Kaine held at Longwood University. They characterize Kaine's performance as aggressive and prone to interrupting, while describing Pence as a "cool customer" who effectively managed the stage. Discussion touches on the lower viewership compared to the presidential debate and the perceived bias of the moderator.

Keywords: [mike pence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pence.md), [tim kaine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tim-kaine.md), [vice presidential debate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vice-presidential-debate.md), elaine quijano, longwood university

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Jennifer Granholm, Hillary Clinton, Sorority House Disconnect (4:57–5:50)

MSNBC footage shows former Governor Jennifer Granholm attempting to demonstrate support for Hillary Clinton at a sorority house. When Granholm asks the crowd if they feel connected to Clinton, the women behind her visibly and audibly signal a lack of connection. The segment highlights the struggle the Clinton campaign faces with younger female voters.

Keywords: [jennifer granholm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jennifer-granholm.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), longwood university, [sorority](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sorority.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Political Power Moves, Debate Tie Symbolism, Military Stars (5:51–10:22)

Analysis of the debate aesthetics focuses on the reversal of traditional party colors, with Pence wearing a blue tie and Kaine wearing a red tie. The hosts discuss Tim Kaine's "power move" of placing a hand on Pence's back during the initial greeting. They also note Kaine wearing a Blue Star Service Pin and a specific exchange where Pence reminds Kaine that the Vice President serves as the President of the Senate.

Keywords: [mike pence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-pence.md), [tim kaine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tim-kaine.md), power moves, blue tie, red tie, military star

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Hillary Clinton, Private Email Server, Debate Moderation (10:23–11:48)

During the debate, Mike Pence raises the issue of Hillary Clinton's private email server and the handling of classified information regarding drone strikes. The moderator, Elaine Quijano, is observed cutting off the discussion quickly to move to other topics. The hosts suggest the moderator had instructions to minimize talk about the FBI investigation into Clinton's emails.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [private server](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/private-server.md), [classified information](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/classified-information.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Harold Martin III, NSA Contractor Arrest, Classified Data Theft (11:49–18:01)

Federal authorities arrested Harold Martin III, a contractor for Booz Allen Hamilton, for allegedly stealing top-secret NSA computer codes and documents. The FBI recovered a massive amount of digital and hard-copy classified material from his home and vehicle. The hosts compare the media's framing of this arrest to the treatment of Hillary Clinton's email server, suggesting the timing of the arrest serves a political narrative.

Keywords: harold martin iii, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [booz allen hamilton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/booz-allen-hamilton.md), [classified documents](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/classified-documents.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/6.md)

### 7. William Binney, Andrew Napolitano, NSA DNC Leak Theory (18:02–24:52)

Judge Andrew Napolitano and former NSA official William Binney discuss the possibility that the DNC leaks originated from within the NSA rather than from Russian hackers. Binney argues that intelligence community members, angry over Hillary Clinton's handling of "gamma" material, may have leaked the data. They also discuss the existence of a massive NSA database that the FBI can query without warrants.

Keywords: [william binney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-binney.md), [andrew napolitano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-napolitano.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), dnc leak, [guccifer 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guccifer-2-0.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Guccifer 2.0, Clinton Foundation, Pay to Play Allegations (24:54–31:48)

A hacker known as Guccifer 2.0 claims to have breached the Clinton Foundation, releasing documents including a folder labeled "pay to play." The hosts express skepticism about the source, noting many documents appear to be older DNC files or data already available on OpenSecrets.org. One spreadsheet allegedly links TARP bailout funds received by banks to subsequent donations made to the Democratic Party.

Keywords: [guccifer 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guccifer-2-0.md), [clinton foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/clinton-foundation.md), [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), [barney frank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barney-frank.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [tarp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tarp.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Julian Assange, WikiLeaks October Surprise, Drone Strike Joke (31:49–35:20)

Julian Assange's highly anticipated "October Surprise" press conference resulted in no new immediate leaks, which the hosts find disappointing. The discussion covers a reported 2010 memo where Hillary Clinton allegedly asked if the U.S. could "just drone" Assange. Clinton later stated she did not recall making such a joke, though the hosts believe the threat may have influenced Assange's recent behavior.

Keywords: [julian assange](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/julian-assange.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [drone strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strike.md), [october surprise](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/october-surprise.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Muammar Gaddafi, Hillary Clinton, Libya Intervention Motives (35:20–37:02)

A theory is presented involving Muammar Gaddafi and Hillary Clinton's alleged personal vendetta against the Libyan leader. Claims suggest Clinton was angered by Gaddafi's support for Barack Obama over her in the 2008 election. This personal friction is proposed as a contributing factor to the 2011 military intervention in Libya and Gaddafi's eventual death.

Keywords: [muammar gaddafi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/muammar-gaddafi.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Bill Clinton, Obamacare Criticism, Legacy Anxiety (37:03–45:49)

Bill Clinton made headlines by describing the current healthcare system under the Affordable Care Act as "the craziest thing in the world" due to rising premiums and reduced coverage. Media analysts suggest Bill's comments reflect his own anxiety about his legacy being overshadowed by Barack Obama's presidency. The hosts discuss the awkward position this puts Hillary Clinton in as she campaigns on Obama's record.

Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [affordable care act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affordable-care-act.md), [monica lewinsky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monica-lewinsky.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Barbara Boxer, Risk Corridors, Obamacare Spin (45:51–51:07)

Senator Barbara Boxer attempts to spin Bill Clinton's criticism of Obamacare by blaming Republicans for blocking "risk corridor" payments. These payments were intended to subsidize insurance companies that lost money by taking on high-risk patients. The hosts deconstruct the legislative battle involving Marco Rubio that limited these government payouts to major insurers.

Keywords: [barbara boxer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-boxer.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), [risk corridors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/risk-corridors.md), [marco rubio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marco-rubio.md), insurance subsidies

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Samantha Bee, Jon Stewart, Late Night Political Bias (51:08–54:32)

The hosts critique Samantha Bee's late-night show and her overt support for Hillary Clinton. They contrast her approach with Gayle King's claim that Jon Stewart was non-partisan. Bee admits her show is a "distillation" of her feelings, leading the hosts to argue that her program serves more as a campaign tool than a comedy show.

Keywords: [samantha bee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/samantha-bee.md), [jon stewart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jon-stewart.md), [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [late night](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/late-night.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Personal Wealth Comparison (54:33–55:09)

Joe Biden comments on his own lack of wealth compared to other politicians, noting that Bernie Sanders has a higher net worth than he does. Biden jokes about being a "broke" politician who relies on his government pension. The hosts discuss how Biden, unlike the Clintons, has not significantly monetized his political career through speaking fees or investments.

Keywords: [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [bernie sanders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-sanders.md), [net worth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/net-worth.md), [socialist](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/socialist.md), [pension](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pension.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Marc Turi, Libya Weapons Program, DOJ Charges Dropped (55:10–57:39)

The Department of Justice moved to dismiss charges against arms dealer Marc Turi to avoid a trial that would expose details of the Obama administration's covert program to arm Libyan rebels. Turi claimed that weapons intended for the Libyan opposition ended up in the hands of extremist groups in Syria. The hosts suggest the timing of the dismissal was intended to protect Hillary Clinton before the election.

Keywords: marc turi, [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md), [doj](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doj.md), [loretta lynch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/loretta-lynch.md), weapons trafficking

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/15.md)

### 16. No Agenda Art, Wall of Phlegm, Misery Mashup (57:41–1:00:11)

The hosts review listener-submitted artwork, specifically praising "The Wall of Phlegm" by CZN137. The art depicts Hillary Clinton looking into a mirror and seeing Kathy Bates' character from the movie *Misery*. A audio mashup follows, blending Clinton's campaign speeches with aggressive dialogue from the film.

Keywords: czn137, [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [kathy bates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kathy-bates.md), misery, wall of phlegm

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Value for Value, Cord Cutting, Digital Antennas (1:00:13–1:06:46)

The show receives major donations from Ty Tran ($2,000) and Sir Ryan ($1,000). Sir Ryan's note encourages other listeners to calculate the value of the time they save by skipping mainstream news. This leads to a discussion on cord-cutting, where Adam Curry describes setting up a $12 digital antenna and a converter box to get superior uncompressed HD signals for free.

Keywords: ty tran, [sir ryan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sir-ryan.md), [cord cutting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cord-cutting.md), hdtv antenna, [hulu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hulu.md), [amazon fire stick](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon-fire-stick.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Executive Producer Credits, Knighting Ceremony, Donor Thank-Yous (1:06:48–1:16:34)

The hosts read through various donations and grant titles to producers. Norman McDonagh is named the Baron of Partridge Island, New Brunswick, providing historical documentation of the location. Other donors like Richard Riley (Sir Slot Car) and Terrence Harris are acknowledged. The segment emphasizes that these producer credits are legitimate and can be used on professional resumes.

Keywords: terrence harris, richard riley, norman mcdonagh, [barony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barony.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Bites and Blades, No Agenda Animated Series, Meetup Recaps (1:16:36–1:19:53)

Adam Curry thanks Richard Beaver for a custom-sharpened knife and discusses Beaver's "Bites and Blades" IT/knife-sharpening business. They also highlight a new animated series created by Alex Nori based on the podcast's audio. The hosts discuss how the show's pacing is optimized for audio rather than video.

Keywords: richard beaver, alex nori, bites and blades, animated series, [meetup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetup.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Studio Equipment, Digital Noise Gates, Austin Construction (1:19:53–1:22:07)

Adam Curry explains why he uses a digital bell instead of a physical table bell sent by a listener. He demonstrates how his studio's noise gate, necessary due to loud construction and jackhammering in downtown Austin, cuts off the natural decay of a physical bell. John Dvorak suggests using the physical bell for dinner parties instead.

Keywords: [noise gate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/noise-gate.md), studio bell, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), jackhammering, [microphone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microphone.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Kim Kardashian Robbery, Media Distraction, Costume Jewelry (1:22:08–1:23:44)

The hosts label the Kim Kardashian robbery in Paris as the "Distraction of the Week." They question the logistics of the event, including the lack of bodyguards and the presence of $10 million in real jewelry. They suggest the heavy media coverage of the robbery overshadowed significant news regarding U.S.-Russia tensions and Pentagon propaganda spending.

Keywords: [kim kardashian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kim-kardashian.md), paris robbery, [distraction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/distraction.md), [jewelry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jewelry.md), [bodyguards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bodyguards.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Donald Trump Tax Returns, Net Operating Loss, Media Ignorance (1:23:44–1:32:19)

The New York Times published leaked pages from Donald Trump's 1995 tax returns showing a $916 million loss. The hosts discuss the legality of publishing private tax data and explain the concept of Net Operating Loss (NOL) carryforwards. They criticize media commentators for failing to understand that debt forgiveness can be considered taxable income and compare Trump's tax strategies to those used by Elon Musk.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [tax returns](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-returns.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [net operating loss](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/net-operating-loss.md), [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Casino Management, Trump Litigation, Journalism School Failure (1:32:21–1:34:36)

A discussion on Trump's business record in Atlantic City leads to a critique of modern journalism. The hosts argue that journalism schools like Columbia and Missouri have failed by producing "cogs in the wheel" rather than independent investigators. They note that many major casino operators have faced bankruptcy, challenging the narrative that Trump's casino failures were unique.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [casinos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/casinos.md), [atlantic city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlantic-city.md), [journalism school](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism-school.md), [columbia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/columbia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Hurricane Matthew, Florida Preparedness, Weather Hype (1:34:39–1:35:36)

The hosts discuss the approach of Hurricane Matthew toward the Florida coast. They advise listeners in the region to take the Category 4 storm seriously and check on neighbors. The segment notes the intensity of the storm and the potential for significant damage along the coast.

Keywords: [hurricane matthew](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-matthew.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), category 4, [weather forecast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weather-forecast.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Paris Agreement, Carbon Emissions, Climate Change Funding (1:35:37–1:38:47)

President Obama speaks on the ratification of the Paris Agreement, claiming it will "delay or avoid" the worst consequences of climate change. The hosts interpret the agreement as a mechanism for massive government spending and the implementation of carbon taxes. They argue the language used by the President is hedged and designed to open "floodgates" for specific high-tech investments.

Keywords: [paris agreement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paris-agreement.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [carbon tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-tax.md), [ipcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipcc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Leonardo DiCaprio, Before the Flood, Climate Science Consensus (1:38:47–1:45:37)

Leonardo DiCaprio introduces his documentary *Before the Flood* at the "South by South Lawn" event at the White House. DiCaprio asserts that the scientific debate on climate change is over and that those who don't believe in it should not hold public office. The hosts mock DiCaprio's anecdotal evidence of "witnessing" climate change and question the reliability of computer models.

Keywords: [leonardo dicaprio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leonardo-dicaprio.md), before the flood, fisher stevens, [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), south by south lawn

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Doctors Without Borders, Kunduz Bombing Anniversary, EU-Afghanistan Deal (1:45:38–1:49:28)

The first anniversary of the U.S. bombing of a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, is marked by calls for accountability. Meanwhile, the European Union is negotiating a deal to pay Afghanistan 1.3 billion euros annually to accept deported migrants. The hosts compare this to the previous EU-Turkey deal and criticize the use of public funds for these arrangements.

Keywords: [doctors without borders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doctors-without-borders.md), [kunduz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kunduz.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [migrants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migrants.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/27.md)

### 28. David Cameron, Brexit Hate Crimes, Swarm Metaphor (1:49:29–1:53:50)

A report from the European Commission Against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) blames former Prime Minister David Cameron for a rise in hate crimes following the Brexit vote. The report specifically cites Cameron's use of the word "swarm" to describe migrants as "hate speech." The hosts discuss the media campaign to link political rhetoric to xenophobic incidents in the UK.

Keywords: [david cameron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-cameron.md), [brexit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brexit.md), [hate crimes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-crimes.md), ecri, [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Ofcom, British Swear Words, Offensive Language Ranking (1:53:50–2:00:07)

The UK telecommunications regulator, Ofcom, released a ranked list of offensive words based on public perception. The list categorizes words from "mild" to "strongest," including specific British slang. The hosts read through the list, noting the cultural differences in what is considered offensive and expressing concern that such lists will be used to regulate online speech.

Keywords: [ofcom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ofcom.md), swear words, [profanity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/profanity.md), [uk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Russell Brand, Monarchy Criticism, German Royal Origins (2:00:07–2:02:59)

Russell Brand releases a viral video criticizing the British monarchy and highlighting the German ancestral roots of the House of Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha). Brand argues that royal titles are a distraction from an "international cabal of rich landowners." The hosts discuss Brand's relevance and the potential legal trouble of insulting the royal family in the UK.

Keywords: [russell brand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russell-brand.md), [queen elizabeth ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/queen-elizabeth-ii.md), house of windsor, saxe-coburg-gotha, [monarchy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monarchy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Michael Savage, WABC Censorship, Hillary Clinton Health (2:03:00–2:04:28)

Talk radio host Michael Savage was reportedly cut off the air by WABC in New York and subsequently nationwide while discussing Hillary Clinton's health and potential Parkinson's disease. The hosts use this incident to illustrate the importance of independent infrastructure and the "Value for Value" model to avoid corporate censorship.

Keywords: [michael savage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-savage.md), wabc, [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [parkinson's](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parkinson-s.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Birthday Shoutouts, Donor Acknowledgments, Human Resources (2:04:29–2:10:40)

The hosts read a list of donors contributing between $50 and $130, including birthday wishes for Daniel Baxter and congratulations to William Smith on his new child, Liam. They also acknowledge a "douchebag" shoutout from Cara Pirello to her uncle Brian. The segment reinforces the community aspect of the show's funding model.

Keywords: daniel baxter, william smith, cara pirello, [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Knighting Ceremony, Red Boys, White Widow (2:10:40–2:12:27)

Adam Curry and John Dvorak conduct a formal knighting ceremony for Ty Tran and Richard Riley (Sir Slot Car). They welcome the new knights to the "roundtable" with a traditional list of celebratory items including "hookers and blowers" and "White Widow on brownies." The knights are instructed to provide their details at NoAgendaNation.com to receive their rings.

Keywords: ty tran, richard riley, [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [no agenda nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-nation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Samsung Note 7, Battery Fires, Southwest Airlines Incident (2:12:27–2:16:12)

A replacement Samsung Note 7 smartphone reportedly caught fire on a Southwest Airlines flight in Louisville, leading to an evacuation. The hosts discuss the ongoing battery issues plaguing Samsung and the potential for Chinese-made components to be the cause. They mock the media's "human interest" framing of the story and suggest recording video of such incidents for profit.

Keywords: [samsung](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/samsung.md), note 7, [battery fire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/battery-fire.md), [southwest airlines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/southwest-airlines.md), [recall](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recall.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/34.md)

### 35. UKIP Altercation, Stephen Wolfe Collapse, Nigel Farage Return (2:16:12–2:18:36)

UKIP leadership candidate Stephen Wolfe collapsed at the European Parliament following an alleged physical altercation with a fellow party member. This follows the sudden resignation of Diane James after only 18 days as leader. Nigel Farage has stepped back in as interim leader, a development the hosts find beneficial for the show's content.

Keywords: stephen wolfe, [nigel farage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nigel-farage.md), [ukip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukip.md), [european parliament](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-parliament.md), altercation

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Rodrigo Duterte, Barack Obama, Philippines Diplomacy (2:18:36–2:19:22)

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte tells President Barack Obama to "go to hell" in response to U.S. State Department criticism of his anti-drug campaign. Duterte also suggested the UK could go to "purgatory" because hell is full. The hosts express amusement at Duterte's blunt rhetorical style and his defiance of Western diplomatic norms.

Keywords: [rodrigo duterte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rodrigo-duterte.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [philippines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/philippines.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), hell

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Air France, Sabotage Rumors, Radicalized Staff Allegations (2:19:23–2:21:02)

Air France denies reports from the satirical weekly *Le Canard Enchaîné* regarding alleged sabotage attempts by radicalized ground staff at Charles de Gaulle airport. The reports claimed "Allah Akbar" was found scrawled on fuel flaps and that communication lines between cockpits and engines were tampered with. The hosts discuss the safety implications and the airline's attempt to downplay the rumors.

Keywords: [air france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-france.md), [sabotage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sabotage.md), [charles de gaulle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charles-de-gaulle.md), le canard enchaîné, [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/37.md)

### 38. US-Russia Tensions, Syria No-Fly Zone, Pentagon Propaganda (2:21:02–2:26:05)

The U.S. suspended diplomatic consultations with Russia over the conflict in Syria, with White House spokesman Josh Earnest claiming "patience with Russia has run out." The hosts discuss Victoria Nuland's presence in Moscow and the deployment of Russian air defense systems to Syria. They also reference reports of the Pentagon spending $500 million on propaganda to influence the narrative in favor of a no-fly zone.

Keywords: [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [josh earnest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/josh-earnest.md), [victoria nuland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria-nuland.md), [ray mcgovern](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ray-mcgovern.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Baba Vanga, World War III Prophecies, Syria Conflict (2:26:06–2:28:00)

Adam Curry shares predictions from the Bulgarian mystic Baba Vanga regarding the start of World War III. The prophecy suggests the global conflict will begin in Syria following the fall of Damascus. The hosts discuss the geopolitical desire by some actors to see Syria "rubbelized" and the historical context of the region's instability.

Keywords: baba vanga, [world war iii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-iii.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [damascus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/damascus.md), [prophecy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prophecy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/39.md)

### 40. IMF Reserve Basket, Chinese Yuan, Jim Rogers Interview (2:28:00–2:32:12)

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) officially added the Chinese Yuan (Renminbi) to its Special Drawing Rights (SDR) basket of reserve currencies. Investor Jim Rogers comments that while the move is currently symbolic, the Yuan is the only currency capable of eventually challenging the U.S. dollar's dominance. The hosts discuss the shift toward a "shadow currency" for international trade.

Keywords: [imf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imf.md), [sdr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sdr.md), [chinese yuan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chinese-yuan.md), [jim rogers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jim-rogers.md), [reserve currency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reserve-currency.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Globalism, Bond Market Mechanics, Interest Rates (2:32:13–2:40:34)

The hosts explore how globalist policies and the Paris Climate Agreement might undermine U.S. sovereignty and the dollar's status as the reserve currency. John Dvorak provides a primer on the bond market, explaining how bonds function as loans to companies and why bond prices fall when interest rates rise. They predict a potential collapse if interest rates are forced upward by inflation.

Keywords: [globalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/globalism.md), [bond market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bond-market.md), [interest rates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/interest-rates.md), [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md), [hyperinflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hyperinflation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Radio Audio Summit, Media Panel, Industry Disruption (2:40:37–2:52:18)

Adam Curry prepares for his appearance on a media panel at Syracuse University alongside executives from iHeartRadio and NPR. He reviews the provided questions about "creative moments" and "niche vs. mass appeal." Curry plans to challenge the traditional broadcast model, arguing that the industry is in a "slow-motion death spiral" due to the rise of independent distribution like podcasting.

Keywords: [syracuse university](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syracuse-university.md), [iheartradio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iheartradio.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), media panel

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Hospital Billing, Skin-to-Skin Contact Charge, GoFundMe (2:52:18–2:54:41)

A Utah father posted a hospital bill on Reddit showing a $39.35 charge for "skin-to-skin contact" after his son's birth via C-section. The hospital defended the charge as the cost for an additional nurse required for safety during the procedure. The father started a humorous GoFundMe campaign with a $40 goal to cover the specific line item.

Keywords: hospital bill, [utah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/utah.md), skin-to-skin contact, [reddit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reddit.md), [gofundme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gofundme.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Show Outro, New York Meetup, Final Banter (2:54:42–2:59:47)

The hosts conclude the episode as Adam Curry prepares to travel to New York. They discuss a potential meetup at Sparks Steak House and remind listeners to stay on the mailing list for updates. The show ends with their signature sign-off and a brief clip regarding a controversial *Playboy* feature of a woman in a hijab.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [new york](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york.md), [meetup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetup.md), [adios mofos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adios-mofos.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/866-delay-or-avoid/chapter/44.md)

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