Warehouse of Souls

00:00 So how can you cite no proof? Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak It's Thursday February 25th 2016 and time once again for your Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 802 This is no agenda We are your oasis in a sea of media malarkey And broadcasting live from the capital of the drone star state Austin Tejas FEMA region 6 in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry And from northern Silicon Valley without further ado I am John C. Dvorak Where the C stands for First thing comes to mind I can't say Yeah, we gotta be on time today John. We got to move it along Gotta move the show along moving along so they gotta get out of here on time leave in today right after the show I Got to go pick up the airstream of consciousness

00:51 And then because they close at 6 so I got and that's you know it gives you Well, hold on. I'm done into like 3 o'clock Okay It gives you three if we're lucky if we're lucky If we have no technical problems and then I gotta drive down to Buda and of course is prime Traffic and everything anyways, of course right? You have a traffic year in this Thursday which means you have commute Yeah So it's about a nine hour drive to Fayetteville our Kansas Well, that sounds like fun. Yeah so we're gonna stay overnight uh north of Dallas about halfway Zephyr you know it occurs to me that the zephyr is on a schedule he has what is the time oh it's early today it's 9 14 usually hits around 9 16

01:44 All right, yes. It's on his schedule just to be after eight years it occurred to me. It's on the schedule Maybe maybe always funny about it is every once in a while you watch these these Passenger trains go by and they'll be like this ever go by and you see it And you look over there as going like three miles an hour yeah for some unknown reason somehow zephyr doesn't sound right if it's going three miles an hour doesn't sounds like something like the right thing and days effort I'd like to start in the euro is ever is by the way do. Do I know what a zephyr? Is yeah, it's uh It's a train. It's a wind storm of a certain type that's very common to Nevada right but that it is It's kind of like the names that are used on RVS and trailers scorpion adventure back Zephyr

02:40 dental floss. Yeah, we got big crap happening over there in the Euro lands. I have a few clips too Let me kick it off with the never-ending conversations in the EU and at Starfleet Command about what are we going to do with these migrants? Well, we should have quotas you have some we have some or maybe that will just have a coalition of the willing of some eurozone countries who will take migrants and bottom line There is no solution and now, of all things Greece is getting shafted again. First let's get an update on... My clips are about the same exact thing! Well let's get a kick in here. Amid fresh fears that the EU survival could be threatened by Europe's worst migration crisis since World War II the bloc's interior ministers are meeting in Brussels

03:33 Member states seem just as split as ever though, with Austria the country behind the warning prompting criticism as it pursues border restrictions to stem the influx along with Balkan nations. Having decided to send ships to the Aegean Sea to tackle criminal networks smuggling refugees into Europe NATO says it's playing its part in addressing this humanitarian tragedy The alliance has agreed a plan for its operations that will overcome territorial sensitivities between Greece and Turkey. But as deals are made and disputes continue, the migrants and refugees keep coming some 100 000 have already arrived this year with many more expected in the summer okay so what is happening is the countries around greece are closing their borders

04:21 So that the refugees come in and then they can't go anywhere. They're now stuck there, Greece which had no problems to start with And here is a quick report on the response and how Tsipras is feeling about this With migrant numbers stacking up in Greece There's tough talk from Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras He says Athens will block future European Union agreements if member states don't do more to share the burden of the crisis. Migrants are now getting trapped in Greece because of tougher border checks elsewhere. What we refuse to do is accept the transformation of our country into a permanent warehouse of souls and at the same time continue to act within the European Union and at summits as if there's nothing wrong,

05:08 No, there's nothing wrong. Permanent... What did he say? Perman- House of souls Yeah this is uh This really who needs a brexit Britain doesn't need to get out of the out of the EU just wait until it falls apart and walk away Just back up. What's gonna happen? Well, let me I my My I got my material from Deutsche Welle so we have you've been liking Deutsche Welle a lot lately Yes, I moved to it Oh good And yes because they give they have good reports and then they seem fairly objective but they don't give the needle to their own country so much but

05:45 This all stemmed is the crisis stem with the Macedonia stop in the border closing border closing closing the border and And then but the main thing seems to be this Austrian meeting now what happened was Austria decided to do they had a meeting in the EU and they decided everything and Then a bunch of a bunch of spin-offs little group took off from the main meeting and started their own It was the coalition of the unwilling I think And this will be the clip here is refugee crisis splitting Europe. I'm Brent Goff, it's good to have you with us new signs tonight that the massive influx of refugees is splitting Europe today Vienna hosted a summit of Balkan leaders The EU especially Greece are outraged that they were not invited to take part

06:36 Hungary's Prime Minister has called for a referendum on whether to accept European Union mandates for the resettlement of refugees. And everywhere, borders and barriers are being erected where once there were none Keep out that is Hungary's message to migrants It was the first country to seal off its border line girls not allowed But now other countries have followed suit all along the Balkan route towards Northwest Europe movement is grinding to a halt 700 migrants are stranded after Macedonia suspended its train services northwards. Their frustration is palpable Crazy stuff for a second yeah, I'm the you this but this looks like when they're showing it It's the first time in history migrants actually want to get on the train and surprising Yeah, so there's this huge train. It's like. I don't know 40 cars like the Zephyr

07:35 Well, it's not quite like this effort. It's a little beat up and it's sitting on a siding filled with these guys and they just left it there So the main line is going by people just sitting in that train hanging off of it, and it's not moving Yeah Oh gosh. They're sitting in if they're living in the train oh man And it's a huge training there also They're all in there and the Macedonians or whoever is supposed to be running that part of the line They just refuse to touch this thing so they leave it There's no so it's turning into like us a train slum oh Man, and it's actually quite a funny image you see it anyway onward hmm

08:12 Yes. We are so tired because for an hour we stay in this area, from this area to there four hours and all those very tired 800 kilometers further south the effect of the gridlock is being felt Greece is the entry point to Europe for migrants fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and Africa. For many, their journey has stalled here. This northern border camp is filling up – and so are reception centres in Greece's big cities

08:50 With more refugees arriving every day, the United Nations is calling for an urgent solution. What we have been urging for a long time is for a common strategy in order to deal with the refugee crisis in Europe. This is not only Greek problem so all European states should try to solve this in a common way But European countries remain divided over how to tackle the migrant influx. A mandatory quota system remains disputed, until a solution is found the refugees future is unclear Greece is warning of a humanitarian crisis no kidding now

09:38 The only problem, I will say this. The only problem that I have with Deutsche Welle is that they have to have everybody speaking in English since it's the American edition so you can't people like... Your own news does that too? They can't find anyone who can actually speak English! So its actually very funny often. Well, so onward back to taking it back down to Greece they did have a correspondent at the Greek Macedonian border A Greek and they brought up some of these issues You brought up in that first clip And this will be the Greek Macedonian clip Well, hard to say for the moment. I think Greece was quite surprised by what is happening today in what happened in Austria where Austria hosted a conference on the refugee crisis without inviting Greece and also some other key member states in the European Union Greek Foreign Minister Kotsias spoke of an unfriendly act and Migration Minister Moussalas even said that this is something like

10:39 coup d'etat. It can be that European leaders agree on a common European policy for tackling, solving the refugee crisis and just a few days after that some ministers or some chief police officers decide that this agreement is not valid anymore. Yannis you know we have talked many times about other types of crises in Greece do you see this as a new Greek crisis and is Greece tonight on its own? Is it alone in this crisis? Well of course, it is a big question. A crucial question whether the financial crisis and the refugee crisis are somehow linked but I

11:24 I believe that after what is happening nowadays, especially in northern Greece many people and Greeks will wonder whether European agreements are still valid. And this may have an impact on the financial crisis as well. Oh man! That is rancid is the word. Rancid! So if, the way I see it... It's like they're targeted Well let's solve the problem Hey let's say we got an idea I got an idea Hey hey hey hey I've got an idea Let's just cut the borders off at the top of Greece so they have to, so those migrants just build up and end up taking over the place Yeah yeah that's a good one Yeah that would get them See where they're going to be late with their payments from now on

12:11 It's unbelievable. They should just call Donald Trump build a wall up there on the border of Greece But they're still be clogged in Greece, they're letting him into the problem That's the whole point they not allowed to get out of Greece it's like The Roach Motel of migrants yeah once I get in they never get out Please class yes Meanwhile There's still this I laugh but is but I'm no it's pathetic you would definitely not want to have been degrees This isn't so not, you know this is so... We feel bad about this. Yeah we're laughing because it's just a ridiculously rancid. Because we're crying inside yeah okay um So the Brexit thing comes up of course because this is still in play and they're trying to-this is like a distraction at the Brexit action. This is the uh British euro exit just for people who don't know. The Brexit

13:02 The Brits are going to have an election, I guess it's about eight weeks. They're gonna have an election or a referendum as to whether they should stay or leave the EU and personally i don't see what the benefit of the EU is for the Brits, I think its just a pain in the ass But everybody's convinced that Britain can't live without the EU suddenly even though they did fine for hundreds of years Yeah, that's without this relationship. But now they can do it and so I so there's this clip again on Deutsche Welle Which of course is a would be against it Even though the Deutsche Welle has a propaganda tool is a lot more subtle than our networks because they also get to

13:44 Use the inflection of the German accent so we talk a little bit like this. And you can sneak in all kinds of little things! Actually, most of the anchor people are British. They're either British or they have perfect fake accents. So let's play this one... This is the only one worth playing. This is the Brexit clip which has a bunch of miscellaneous EU people yammering about why the Brits should stay in and what this is all about from their perspective. It's referendum season! And the referendum is coming A majority of EU parliamentarians has warned against a Brexit which would have economic consequences for the British as well.

14:28 That's also the reason that the Americans have already said to their cousins in Great Britain, don't go out. What are you doing? We're going to not make a trade deal with you alone. I want to hop in! I want to hop in! You have to hop in but first let me just mention this whoever this bonehead is and you can do his voice apparently Yes I think so what is his name hold on what is his name? His name was some Pierre some long Where is he from where is he from It didn't say. As if now he's from Holland. Which you alone... Oh my god, I'm gonna back it up a little more. First let me just before you go into your bit. Let me say a couple of things that he said his point is the following and by the way i want you to tell me if you've ever heard this because i sure haven't

15:17 But he claims that the United States has been shaking their fist at Britain for even thinking about leaving the EU, telling Britain why are you doing this? Because just years ago you've got such a good thing going. What do you stay stays, he goes on with. It's crazy Americans man they got these crazy ideas first day elect an actor or Reagan like president crazy Trump guy, reality show guy. You sound like you're from Israel? No it is not like Israel! It's Dutch. The Dutch is a little bit like Yiddish. EU parliamentarians has warned against the Brexit which would have economic consequences for the British as well Here's my brother That's also the reason that the Americans have already said to their cousins in Great Britain I like how he's laughing Like he thinks this so funny Don't go out what are you doing? DON'T GO OUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING DONT'GOOUT

16:08 Go out, stay in the place! We're not gonna make a trade. You stay in don't go to the Brexit man. I'm mostly worried about the dismantling of social rights but the deal had to happen. I think that show title is Don't Go Out That's his version of don't leave the EU. Don't go out! These British EU politicians actually belong to the largest group of Eurosceptics in the EU Parliament. Ah, yes... With a referendum on their heels they are now the ones pleading for strongest case for Europe This message keeps on going about how bad things are in Europe and how it doesn't work Actually, the fact is that those 500 million people

16:51 still the world's largest, still the world's wealthiest marketplace. Bigger than the United States of America. Are you telling me that the United Kingdom would want to leave that and stand on the outside? That would be madness! In the end, The Britain Deal might bring Europe even closer together than ever before. The only thing that can be of interest to Britain at this point and EU is banking The New York, former New York banker? Yes. Who lives here in Austin? Yeah He says that every single one of his old Deutsche Bank colleagues is starting their own bank and they're all doing it in London the city of London obviously The City of London I don't have a clip of this but there was some other

17:41 discussion, and it always seemed to center around the city of London. The real fear is that they...that the EU loses the city of London. That's their jewel! Yeah exactly. That's the crown jewel for the City of London. Yep. It has all its laws, it got us on a whole thing, little bitty enclave which is where Farage hangs out by the way And there are some obvious benefits otherwise all these guys wouldn't be doing that And these are former traders and just guys who could not make money in American banking anymore. And so they're all over there in the city of London setting up banks, I presume investment banks or it could just be who knows what kind of bank? But no, but it's all City of London which has its own rules and is not necessarily beholden to the laws of Britain itself

18:33 So that seems to be what this is really about, even though nobody's discussing that specifically. They're just talking about the big...oh you know why would they? By the way you noticed in that clip that beautiful setup here they showed three of the ministers from the UK and said these are the Euro skeptics and then it come on with just the opposite message Yeah, we want to... yeah exactly. In other words you're setting it this is a great way to set this up if you want to do a little propaganda analysis You say here's the guys most likely to be against the whole thing what do they think and then you throw a mic on them and they all think We should stay because why would it be madness to leave? Why would it be madness to leave?!

19:19 Switzerland, by the way is not in the EU and they're doing just fine. I don't know why it would be... Norway's doing fine. I do not know why it would be madness unless all these guys are somehow connected to banking that's all I can think of! It's not for the food For reals. Although it's gotten pretty cheap over there, what is the pound? It's lower again. Down to a buck thirty nine, like buck thirty six. Yes this is the pound has been crashing because of this only because of Brexit I think the pound will stay low not a bad time to do that pub crawl. I heard you and Horowitz talking about no agenda DH unplugged pub crawl in London

20:05 Yeah, I'm all in well everybody seems to be at least us with the chit chat about the simple website We'll get we have if we're gonna do that it has to be done. Well get my buddy Michelle who owns clubs? Will have them open up the club for us it has to be done before The brexit vote oh yes because the pound will be depressed yeah, until then cheap well Tina the keeper and I are going to Europe last week of April First week of May, so if you want to join us. I might be able to swing by On your way to Bora Bora? Well the Iceland air has a number of deals that they're Okay Yeah, you fly via Greenland then don't you? No, no, I would like to fly via Greenland That'd be very cool They have to stop in Greenland to get more coal i think

20:59 So they stop in Reykjavik and it gives you a couple hours to do some shopping at the wool shop at the airport. That's my recommendation, anyone passing through. Yeah, you've mentioned this many years ago how dynamite the shopping is at the Reykjavik Airport? Well, they're shopping for wool. Oh just for wool! Okay... Yeah, they have a wool shop. When I went to Iceland this maybe changed because this was over 10 years ago but when i went it was...I went to the wool shops around because the Icelandic wool is fantastic product for sweaters and blankets. Excellent! So I went all over the place and after I did that as I was leaving I go to the airport wool shop and I'd go why did I waste my time? Yeah well you could've done right there The airport wool shop had fantastic stuff

21:47 So just a tip anyway. I'm all for this pub crawl and Let's talk about it. Let's have a meeting to have a meeting if we really must you need a steering committee for this Well, we're gonna do a meetup on Saturday in Fayetteville yes, you're doing a meet up in Fayetteville Yes, so that'll be Saturday. I think seven two ten and Friday, I'm sorry. Friday 7 to 10 you can find all this at meetup dot com slash no agenda and then Saturday Trump is in Arkansas Yes that somebody has a ticket for you Yeah another way i here's what i think now there here's the food there is one slight problem because You know saturday night is Show night so it i don't know if this is an evening event or prep night It's prep night yeah

22:42 But I think i should go, I think I should just go to see what's happening that I was thinking about this and? I think you should go too. I want to go pick up our check yeah right? Got me there guys a couple milliseconds missed um I think the following, one it may be one of those overbooked deals and you're just gonna be standing outside. In the overflow area? Is there a long line do you really want to stand in a long line to go in and listen to a speech? Well if its crappy I'll just... Yeah but if its crappy ill turn around and leave that's easy Well yeah but the thing would be nice is to be inside so you can get a feel of some of the vibe the atmosphere I agree The vibe

23:27 Mean was so in that kind of regard even because one of the colleges around put heil hitler on a newspaper about trauma, and it's just Sort of things going on. I got to say something about that just because you brought it up yesterday. I was testing out the The the portable rig because of course we're going on a road trip, so I want to bring the ham radio gear So i'm testing it out and this is low wattage 10 watts and I get in contact with the whiskey one Oscar echo Romeo Now, I recall having... and this is all digital mode by the way. This is just typing on the computer and it goes through the transceiver through the air and he's in Waltham Massachusetts. It's already cool that I got that at 10 watts He's 91 years old and served during World War II with Battle of The Bulge

24:16 And, you know, 91. I say hey can i ask you a question? This is again this is all just typing it out so I actually copied his answer and said since you were kind of around when Hitler was in power does Donald Trump sound anything like Hitler did at the time? Is that the same kind of rhetoric as if the same talk? Then they might as well asked the guy who was there right yeah! His answer was no He does not at all sound like Hitler. I think Donald Trump will make a fine president, if he gets elected of course.

24:53 Who are all Trump supporters are being classified and as Nazis as Hitler you know I'm going off and drop that. I do it to follow up to that But but I'm talking about these guys who coming out of the woodwork They're called lost voters, and is being studied because they're all these lost voters are going for Trump And I have a clip coincidentally since she brought the old man up mm-hmm called lost voters Okay, it's not called lost. Oh there it is It is called lost voters According to a Reuters IPS OS survey one in ten voters who went to the polls and South Carolina today Is a so-called lost voter Apathetic Americans who had given up on the process until now Who was the last president you remember voting for? Ronald Reagan

25:43 That was 36 years ago when 64-year old Charles Parrish was a firefighter. Indifferent since President Reagan left office, Parrish says he's now back involved in politics because of Donald Trump. The man is a billionaire so what is it really for him to gain? Well you could say more power perhaps maybe But I mean the man's already powerful. So to me he is more apt to do the right thing for the country. Surveys show 27% of the lost voters break for Trump. Yeah, okay...

26:19 Meanwhile on the history channel or the heroes channel or one of those channels. There's a channel called The Heroes Channel Yes, nice I got to look that one up and they have there is very similar thing It's even run by the History Channel And h2 is a good example international but they recently of course they do a lot of Hitler stuff Yeah So they because his popularity is bigger than ever right here. He said trending he's trending So one of the things that they did, which I watched was recent. And this was fascinating home movies all home movies of the Germans took whether they were in there because a lot of people even during the war had these little 16 millimeter cameras and as always you know these guys are nerds They're in the army and they're taking movies They're at home their day. They're just taking movies. They're making little movies constantly so they had like

27:11 two or maybe more hours of these movies. And they would show this crazy, these movies and then they'd splice over different kinds of quotes from writers of the era explaining what they were seeing that related to the movies. So I ran into this one and had a clip in it from a writer who was an author, I guess German, Friedrich Reck Mollemliwen or something like that. Sounds like one of our donors! Well, it's worse. But this was and this wasn't just... This was about Hitler's...Hitler had a 50th birthday party I think in the late 30s that was considered one of the biggest birthday parties anybody ever threw for themselves especially in history and this guy is discussing he's at the thing talking about what he's seeing And this is the clip these people are insane

28:12 I witnessed the festivities. I heard the clamor, saw the enraptured faces of the women Through it all this moronic roar of Hia hysterical females adolescents in a trance an entire people in the spiritual state of whirling dervishes these people are insane.

29:06 And you see these people in the crowds being pushed back by the police and they're screaming, and they're going nuts over their rock star who is Hitler. When he says these people are insane, some home movie guy shot of some woman who just looked nuts! Yeah, and yeah I don't think this is going on at the Trump guys. They like to yell and scream when they... Trump wants to punch someone in the face and everybody thinks that's hilarious but Bernie Sanders rallies are much more like Hitler. Rolling Stone had a big article about Trump and pretty much in the opening paragraph it starts with you know we haven't seen this since Hitler

29:53 It's how America, actually the title of it is How America Made Donald Trump Unstoppable. Oops what is this? Shut up, that's enough of that. If you think about these two guys they're both packing them in there's no doubt about it but Bernie has if you listen to Bernie stuff which you don't get to see so much right he is screaming and yelling and losing his voice Mussolini than anybody we're much more so Trump is just ad-libbing an hour He comes out and starts talking, he's rambling about this and that. I realized something amidst all of this... In 1972 I moved to the Netherlands so i was in Europe socialist Europe but you know what it was around the time Ronald Reagan got elected which i think was what 81 82? 82 80 okay 80 and I realize that what is happening now so that was a very socialist country

30:56 America has taken all of those values that I recognize now from growing up in Europe around the time Ronald Reagan was running because all you would hear was, oh this guy is a movie actor. Oh man this guy he's with guns and the same disdain you know it's horrible how can this be leader of the free world That attitude, it has now been co-opted by a large population of the United States. It is this...it's so recognizable they can't believe that this guy could become president and that says a lot about what happened. I don't think its been co-opted because it was the same exact rhetoric when Reagan was running. Its being co-opted not just about him being an actor but the disdain

31:53 And how what he says is, it's not...you know. Oh you can't say that! You can talk like that!" Well the difference is- Cultural Marxism I should say perhaps? The difference between Reagan and Trump is Reagan was offset because he did run in 76 and then he was ridiculed and they cut him off at the knees so he didn't get in until he got in 80. The same thing could happen to Trump But... Not arguing that, I'm just saying. The difference between the two insofar as the way they were ridiculed is that Reagan was much more prepared in so far as he gave prepared speeches. He was very circumspect. He was the governor of California for a while, so he learned when to shut up.

32:37 Trump never got that training. So this that's really the main difference between the two so here's This stain was there the disdain was their actor I'm just saying I feel it I feel the same vibe That I felt in Europe when it was Ronald Reagan not here, but in Europe now What I'm seeing the media do right now, and I've just seen this as kind of a broad spectrum. Media is saying oh well it's because we gave him so much attention you know now they have to- Blaming themselves! Yes It's always about them Yes yes Now here's Chuck Todd who actually did quite a long bit about Trump Chuck Todd is he meet the neighbors? He's the meat the press Meet the meat

33:23 Here he is on Trump and the media's role. attack against Trump. You don't have to look far for this stuff folks, PolitiFact's 2015 lie of the year was a litany of Trump statements on the campaign trail pick an issue and there are others I love how he just says that without actually picking an issue in saying which one it was stories all over the place about Trump's inconsistencies here's what i mean on Iraq trump said during a debate last fall that I'm the only person on this day dais that fought very very hard against us going into iraq

34:05 But obviously we now know in 2002 when Howard Stern asked him, are you for invading Iraq? Trump responded yeah I guess so. Before the US invaded Iraq in March of 2003 Trump went on Fox News and said either you attack or don't attack After the invasion began, he told Fox Business that quote Wall Street is going to go up like a rocket because of it. And to cap it all off here's what he told me on Sunday when I asked him about those original Howard Stern 2002 comments. Folks, the- Nice edit. That's a way to do a hit piece! For all inconsistencies that a normal campaign that was running against Donald Trump would probably put together in the TV ads. He's turning it around and saying hey you shitheads we've given you everything to put together horrible attack ads which you should buy airtime from us for... And try to see if it would leave a mark with voters here's another example health care Trump has said time and again that Obamacare is a total lie

35:04 But he's on the record years ago saying he is liberal on healthcare. And during a debate last summer, he praised single payer healthcare saying quote it works in Canada. Okay okay so it's not really us no the campaigns we've given them everything they need to make commercials and buy airtime on our networks do air that here is how was this woman's name Camerota from CNN And she has something to say about Trump's dangerous rhetoric. But Jeffrey, see there is provocation going on but I think you're talking about it from a different side. Let me just pull up for you one of the reporters Katie Turr from NBC She sent out this tweet about what happened last night She says Trump trashes press crowd jeers guy by press pen looks at us and screams

35:52 Are you B word basically other gentlemen hold on other gentleman gives cameras the double bird I mean Somebody gave the camera that not a single Double Bird Gives cameras the double bird. I mean this is it's really outrageous counterproductive isn't this dangerous on some level Look, first of all there's no excuse for calling somebody the B word. We can't say bitch on television? Huh we can't say bitch anymore just be word the B you can use to be worried What is that I think that B word is Bernie actually but okay yeah, I understand in that video but

36:31 But here's the problem. Again, I saw this sentiment firsthand last night People feel that the media distorts They don't tell the truth They portray Trump supporters as a bunch of bigots, rubes, racists, xenophobes etc When they're just hardworking folks who are out there and very concerned about their country And they feel like they are being deliberately smeared by these folks You're yelling over it. What? No, I didn't yell anything. Oh i thought you said yes! Yes! I did. I said we sneered by these folks but Jeffrey isn't it also that Donald Trump is...I mean isn't he also ginning up that feeling? Show us when we've labeled somebody a xenophobe. We've never done that who's a trump supporter. Is Donald Trump ginning that up and

37:21 up and making people feel violently against the president. I can point to editorials from all kinds of problems in The Washington Post this very morning is going after editorial their editorial board is going after Donald Trump and his supporters, I mean it's disgraceful there's absolute double standard. But they the media has been tasked they gotta get rid of them now if they did that this was very sneaky Because I knew we know how this kind of stuff works these audio recordings don't just Accidentally leave the studio. This is the hot mic better known as the mics are open during the commercial break at MSNBC The Morning Joe's show with Trump did you see this or do you hear no? No, no? I'm on I know what it is gonna be though Yeah, well the headline screams

38:12 Mika and Joe Scarborough promised to go easy on Trump, softball questions. When really this bit of audio and this was leaked on purpose... And it's MSNBC for crews I mean it's MSNBC so of course they're gonna leak this out big headlines everywhere but this is really a very interesting piece of audio in my opinion because you hear Trump Knowing that he's not on, he is not broadcasting. Now is he still on and functioning and thinking about what he's discussing with the host? Of course he is! You can actually hear a lot of his... What is the word I'm looking for...? He's not as confident as you think he might be

38:59 But let's just listen in on this and we can comment whenever appropriate. all of them. Yeah, so I'm being hit you know they're spending 75 million dollars on negative ads on me over the last two weeks are they catching on at all? What do you think are they catching on? See he's actually saying do you think these ads are catching on do you think that's working the seventy five million dollars they spent on being negative? They're spending a tremendous amount on negative ads on me now You know what i thought was kind

39:39 And this, by the way is very typical banter. for television show this kind of stuff is very normal very normal but you're hearing here I don't hear anything bad. I should stop and mention one thing there was a there's a show that was a kind of behind

40:20 It was one of the greatest shows in the history comedy called The Larry Sanders Show. And it was modeled after The Carson Show, during his heydays as a night show and the show is really a meta-show which made it so interesting and they played or course this all scripted but it was still pretty down to earth about the way it works. They played all this stuff, you know when they go to the break and then their host leans over to the guest and says something whispers in their ear and that is talked back and forth while the band's playing in the commercials are on Well, this show put that's what was the one of the places they went with. So you have to hear the two guys talking and it was always like had nothing do with the show. It was sometimes about where, you know, is sometimes it was strategy about what you're going to talk about next and all that sort thing in there. And this is exactly what your playing here. This is what happens when he expect people to

41:16 Hey now, Hank Kingsley! Good. Thank you for doing this. I'm doing it because... You know what? You get great ratings in a race So this is very typical thanks for doing this no problem you'll get great ratings in the race We're getting a real window into your soul Just make us all look good. Exactly! So that's the offending quote right there, just make us all look good. He doesn't even say make me look good he says make us all look good That's what you say hey let's do a great show together. Exactly right so they made a big scandal out of this There is some interesting stuff coming up. Because you said I won the debate Joe and you think it's- Well but so did the CBS Bowl The next morning when i saw the CBS bowl I knew But still...

42:03 The people that matter I mean you came in a strong second and I'll tell you what was the most revealing thing is Bush came in last Came in last. The guy you thought came in last, he's a weak person And at that point I said to Mika we don't know where the f*** he's from He's gonna happen person. Oh, you don't want me to do... Weak person. This is consistent! Okay so now she's saying hey this is what we're gonna do in this segment this is totally my experience with all television shows she said yeah well do this let's do that the ones with deportation. We really have to get at some questions. That's right, nothing too hard Mika. Okay! Nothing too hard Mika okay I think that was for most people in the Republican establishment sort of the final sign looking good because after this we'll see what happens so what are the chances that something bad could happen on Saturday for me?

43:00 It's always a chance, right? See this is interesting. Here is Donald Trump being I think vulnerable He's saying so what do you think my chances are on Saturday and do you think it's looking good for me? Shows that he's cognizant of the situation Hell yeah So what are the chances that something bad could happen on Saturday for me? It's always a chance I've listened. It's like I said before Iowa, I can't tell you if Trump is ahead or not. But it's a caucus state. In primary states look how close New Hampshire was the polls were almost identical you can take a mix of these polls. The polls are pretty good. And you can just overlay it. Except with caucus, because they change their minds. Except for caucus, caucuses? They should get rid of the caucuses. No Nevada is terrible. Nevada's a caucus state I'm winning by 50%. But you're so far up in the Vatican according to this latest poll. Um... They have a great building there. Yeah!

43:53 So I'm going to read this and then you take the question. Don't read the whole thing! No, no, no... I am doing like bullets. Boom boom boom boom boom. And then give it to you. OK. She said, I'll do bullets, boom boom boom boom. Trump says— It's kind of good. This is a beautiful sentence. Nice set. Yeah it's a beautiful sentence. I hate those one word bullet points though. Oh no, oh no, we're not gonna be okay. We're not gonna do that. Yeah, I hate those one word bullet points. This was very normal no headline necessary if anything interesting to hear that he what you said is he's very cognizant of the situation? He has questions he wonders if he's doing okay That was one of the better moments I think It's better than a normal show

44:38 So what? Who ran the big, how is this a scandal who ran it as a scandal? Let me see if I can find it in my notes. It's in the clips and docs. Probably though, I mean The Washington Post has been going after him like crazy Yes, the Bezos' obviously has something to do with that mm-hmm well now... I ran into a piece that was done on ABC and the ABC is still it with their they can't support Bush anymore but they're still not on board with Trump. And they put out, it's kind of a mild hit piece but it had a couple things within the mechanism they used that I have to talk about and deconstruct because I didn't...I think I've noticed this before

45:35 noticed it if you know what I mean. It's one of these things where you hear it and then listen to when you're doing the edit, ohhh... I had a couple of those last night actually So let's listen to this This is the ABC deconstruct Trump slam new tricks Tom Yamas joins us live tonight Tom Donald Trump now coming under fire for refusing to release his tax returns before Super Tuesday And tonight a former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaking out That's right, David. Mitt Romney saying he thinks there is likely a bombshell in Trumps tax returns. Romney citing no proof says he thinks Trump isn't as rich as Trump claims to be and hasn't donated much charity as much as Trump has said. Now Trump has responded tonight with the tweet saying that Mitt Romney is a fool and trying act like tough guy. The establishment is coming out doing anything they can. Here's the interesting aspect of this particular piece

46:29 I like the way they, you know...people are so used to hearing attributions and the way they're presented that if there's no attribution but if it is presented as if there was. It goes into the brain and click okay, you just don't notice it. And that is the phrase we're dealing with here And Mitt Romney citing no proof, and then he goes on. Citing no proof! Citing no proof that means why are you even discussing this? You're a news station. There's nothing to cite. A citation is where I'm citing and this and this and this... I got these magazines. No proof is not a citation

47:20 So how can you cite no proof? You can cite the guy who cited no proof. That's what they're doing! So they throw it in as citing no proof and he's all, and it's one of those fast talking guys that's on all networks, blah blah blah, citing no proof... He says there is a disaster and citing no proof, he's a child molester so you go citing no proof, he's a child molester It would go right into the brains of the idiots that listen to these shows and ohhhhhhhh Exactly. Child molester. Exactly, exactly! And at the end they decide to just lie now they may maybe trump somewhere say the point where he said uh... Hold on let's play it again it's only 30 seconds lets play it again. Tommy Amos joins us live tonight Tom Donald Trump now coming under fire for refusing to release his tax returns before Super Tuesday You just stop when you want me too. Tonight a former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaking out

48:16 That's right, David Mitt Romney saying he thinks there's likely a bombshell Trump tax returns Romney citing no proof says he thinks Trump is not as rich As Trump claims to be and he hasn't donated. This is actually a great line to slip in there This is fantastic much charity as much as Trump has said now Trump has responded tonight with the tweet Saying that Mitt Romney is a fool and trying to act like a tough guy David. Yeah, yeah Good catch good catch good catch Now, this is a lie. The last part was a lie but the citing thing is fantastic! The last part though was just like what else can we do? Why don't we just lie and I saw that tweet. The tweet is it's a quote from somebody else and then at the end Trump said he's a fool there's no tough guy thing mentioned in this tweet

49:05 He's acting like a tough guy, trying to act like a tough guy. That's the kind of thing he threw at Ruby on these guys doing this. So you know he said... Here is another trick You know he says this that he's trying to act like a tough guy because he says it on debates Every so often when some guy jumps on him and says there he is trying to act like a tough guy So we've heard him say it over and over again. He did not say it in this tweet that where he says he's a fool, he may have said at some place else I didn't see that but he didn't. He said this specific tweet where he said he is a fool. He didn't say he was a tough guy so they just lied on that. So you use citing no proof and let's just lie about something just to put some icing on the cake?

49:41 I mean, this is unconscionable reporting on the part of ABC network. John C. Dvorak's Pet Peeve of the Day! That joke was a peeve but it definitely angered me. I was going to bring up something else... maybe i put into the wrong bin here hold on a second um The way that works really does work quite well. We've discussed this before, when you just say something and then it sticks and then before you know it that's what is. Especially if you say something within a mechanism that people are used to hearing Yes And that would be citing note I was actually...I thought I clipped this but I pulled two clips because it came up in the Rolling Stone article

50:39 They say, you know they reference Sarah Palin who was so crazy she actually thought that she could see Russia from her house. What's interesting is that is not what she said at all it was actually Tina Fey who said that yes and now I'm just looking for...I don't know what happened I don't why those lost their It's kind of pissing me off because I'd specifically pulled the clip to what she had said, uh what Sarah Palin said was something completely different. She said there's a little island right off the coast of Alaska and from there you can see the mainland of Russia that is what she said then two days later Tina Fey went on Saturday Night Live and said i can see russia from my house! And that has Rolling Stone printed this as if it was fact oh god... As if it was facts

51:29 Yeah, dig those up for the next show because that sort of thing and we see it constantly in the media. It's some meme that people accept as fact when it was a joke or never was said or somebody said it was like me and a mouse Yes. There was a...I wrote in 1984, for people who don't know this when I was writing up for, I guess the census examiner, I wrote what reasons the Macintosh might fail when it came out and it was all good reasons and all those things on the checklist that I listed were all changed but one of the things I said was that mouse is nobody knows whether this will be a success or not at some point. No you know you said there's no evidence. There's no evidence right? That the public wants a mouse

52:14 And there wasn't, because the thing just showed up. I don't know... Just kind of a radical idea So I saw a bunch of guys got all worked up about this and one of them created One of them created- by the way spent the last 20 years every time i see this show up I write to guy and tell him story send him a copy of original article and I say and I point to my said you're such a jerk good journalist tell me where I say that in this article You can read it for yourself And it was, the quote that I didn't say was nobody wants these newfangled devices. You did not say that! Here's the word newfangled. Newfangled? Because that's like an old codger this is what they were trying to do whoever dreamed a term up said well we can just demean this guy by dreaming of making up a quote

53:04 that he wants a new fangled device and just put it out there and see what happens. And it caught on because everybody was against my questioning the viability of the mouse. And so I've been spending ever since people keep bringing it up, and every once in awhile still see the new fangled quote. And I always write or get ahold of the writer and say where'd you get this information? It's not what... And it's just unbelievable. This is how that works, it's a very common problem when something gets into the man of the internet doesn't make it any better. No, the internet is actually what we use to make it worse

53:43 makes it worse. And so you have this situation, and now she sees Russia from her porch but she didn't. I know I made the clips on Sunday, they just didn't show up in my bin for some reason. Okay based on something that you tweeted which i want to hear from you in a moment here we go back to actually Mika Brzezinski daughter of The Elite has some ideas about Trump's possible Vice Presidential pick. are reading rehearsed lines to go to Mika's point. Which is perfect for a vice presidential candidate which is why he was sucking up to Trump and hoping to get that. Come on! This is so obvious. But the focus group Michael Steele, it makes Marco Rubio won't attack Donald Trump. Donald Trump won't attack Marco Rubio should we just go ahead and get a picture of them clasping hands right now? By the way

54:49 It's because Marco Rubio is actually the only one well first of all he's necessary on a number of levels But he's the only one who will go against everything He believes in and say whatever needs to be said and Trump knows that he can prop him up perfectly And that he will follow suit. He will do whatever Trump tells him to do, he will do that That's why he will be his vice presidential pick There you go now there so she saying that she believes Rubio will be Trump's vice presidential Pick and there was someone else who was being touted today as Some Republican somewhere can't find well. I think Rubio if I was to advise Trump on picking somebody although my I think the super selection is the one I mentioned in that tweet Which is a loved woman yes? Yes, man because she's got a great name She's black. I like her I saw we've seen her before she talks everyone so all she comes out and says something oh

55:49 and she is a very pleasant, strong-willed. She's a Mormon, she's black, she's in Utah, you know? She got all these elements. What else do you need? Is she transgendered that would be perfect! Well if she spoke Spanish it would probably help but Rubio is a really good idea and I think what a genius idea here is that Trump wants...if he gets in He hasn't gotten past the knives yet. They're coming out for him. Oh yeah, this will be an important week coming up And they're going to keep coming out of it if you have Mitt Romney citing no evidence. Citing no evidence! What's Romney got to do with this? He should shut up and get off the air what is he even talking for

56:34 So, I mean the guy's... anyway. Rubio can speak Spanish he could get his from Florida he's got all these elements of it. That's when Mika says you know we in some ways have to have him or whatever she said He has things that we need which is surprising and i don't know if she means we by the party and she's a Republican but uh..I think your right! I like the love woman But I really like her And she seems like she has a level head Yeah, I think he needs a Rubio or somebody that's got it even though Ruby. Oh yeah from the sounds of it He wants to get some in so Washington insider that can help him get legislation through and knows the ropes Which is what he said Verbatim now I should get a politician because not gonna walk in there like Jimmy Carter And you should be announcing his pick pretty soon. I would say I think this is about the time Now we can't be care when he's still running against Ruby oh

57:35 You can still, hey I nominate Rubio. You could say that can't you? You could but then it would be pretty presumptuous Meanwhile over on CBS in the morning show with Charlie and Oprah's girlfriend and some other guy So they respond to Hillary Hillary's I don't think I've lied. I've always tried to be No voice try to be good. I try not to let me see it certainly still that clip play it yeah here we go I thought it was an ISO didn't have an iso with that could maybe but and you have it was yours yeah, oh

58:23 And we'll play the CBS response to her saying, I've really tried to tell the truth. I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will. I'm going to do the best I can to level with the American people. With three days left before the primary Clinton still leads the polls in South Carolina. Have you guys ever told a lie? And has your sense of humor intact? Have you ever told a lie? Yes. Yes. Have you? So have I. Yes, yes I have. Now so I am waiting to find the person who's never told a lie Have you ever told a lie first? Yes. Okay, all right. Just want to keep the record going! Unbelievable... Everyone tells a lie it's okay if she tells lies They're backing Hillary with this nonsense She can lie it's okay she can lie I've lied all time Of course that's human nature Yeah, are you faulting her or do you not want her be human And a little ditty from Ben Carson about racism and

59:22 There's a longer interview and he talks about how he has felt completely equal, has had no problems with the Republican Party. Democrats however or the left? When was the last experience that you personally had with what you would consider to be real racism in your life? Well, you don't have to go too far I think the way that I am treated by the Left is racism Really? Yeah because They assume because you're black, you have to think a certain way. And if you don't think that way, your Uncle Tom, you're worthy of every horrible epithet they can come up with. Whereas if I weren't black then I would just be a Republican. True! I think he's right. No, he is totally right. He's very very right. Black Republicans always bitch about this. Yeah

1:00:12 They're not staying in their hut. They're not doing what they are supposed to do." And then my favorite report, this was with Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC and they went to Nevada you know of course when you have Republicans in Nevada what are you gonna do? Where are you going to do your report from? Or Nevada as they would pronounce it. You do it from the gun range where Republicans are exercising their second amendment right? This is what we would call... It's like finding the hick in Texas. We have an average Texan here, what do you think of this shooting? Well I don't know for sure- Wait wait! It's much better John, it's much better than that. It is a full minute of glory Well there's a lot of attention, I'm actually right now at Reno Guns and Range And I put myself here

1:01:06 Because as you'll see over my shoulder here, there's lots of folks here who believe that the Second Amendment in this country is under attack. And they say that the court distance away late Donald Trump. All the Republicans protecting the Donald Trump has speeches he supports the first of supports the second a large The crowd says that as we look at what Trump has been doing, focusing on Ted Cruz. Saying in a talk earlier today, wow was Ted Cruz his very capable director? He used him

1:01:54 I'm afraid we could not hear most of that because the firepower was a little bit too great. Sorry, we didn't know you were going to be there today and we needn't interrupt that. Thank you! And with that I'd like to thank you and by the way wait before it hit that It's a shame somebody didn't see this jerk out there doing this and brought some black powder Images blown up. I love That what a report as fan Let the guy go, and they just let the guy go and go and go and go cuz it was gold I think it was comedy gold

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1:23:49 What's going on with Apple not from the tech news perspective, but undeniably this has become a very interesting topic Comey this morning and I think I know I've been able to really listen and really step back. I wrote a blog post Which we don't have to discuss if you saw that or not No, it was too bad wasn't the apple case really convenience versus Privacy well, we've discussed all that Tim Cook did an interview with ABC, I pulled a couple of quotes from that. And there's just a lot of talk around the constitutionality legality you know fourth amendment fifth amendment and it seems but i'll give you my conclusion up front

1:24:37 Both Apple and the FBI, I'm not so sure about Department of Justice but both Apple and the FBI are pushing very hard to not solve this in the Supreme Court but to solve this in Congress. And they're both saying that over and over again which is interesting to me because if you know the way Tim Cook is talking you'd think he wants to take this all the way to Supreme Court that is not true. This is from this morning this is Director of FBI Jim Comey Where is he? Here we go. And just listen to his words. This case and all cases are very, very important but there's a broader policy question that is far larger than any individual case that we all have to grapple with but to the case first I think the answer would best come from a technical expert and a good lawyer i'm neither of those he may be your lawyers it's not a good one But I will take a shot at it uh...I do think that it is potentially whatever the judge decision in California I am sure it'll be appealed no matter how it ends up

1:25:37 will be instructive for other courts and there may well be other cases that involve the same kind of phone and the same operating system. What the experts have told me is, the combination here's where I'm going to get well out of my depth of a 5C in this particular operating system is sufficiently unusual that it's unlikely a trailblazer because of technology being the limiting principle. But sure, a decision by a judge is a judge weighing a decision in Brooklyn right now all of those decisions will guide how other courts handle similar requests The All Writs Act as you mentioned is a tool that I used as a young prosecutor we've used for hundreds of years so that courts can have their orders given effect and how judges interpret that

1:26:20 in any particular jurisdiction, is not binding on others but will be important. So I think that's fair to say But i do think the larger question Is not going to be answered In the courts and shouldn't because it really about who we want to be as a country How do we want to govern ourselves? Okay now this is important He says We need to talk of...we need to legislate this really what he saying Not put into court so you wanna be as people Apple has hired Ted Olson. Ted Olson is a, I'd not heard of him before but apparently superstar status in the legal world and he was on Fox Business News with Neil Cavuto

1:27:00 And it wasn't until I heard, because I was pretty sure that this was a legal writ. It was a warrant to you know we have probable cause all the things that you need are in this in order for Apple to comply but it wasn't until I heard Ted Olson then I realized This is not about probable cause and therefore it is not going to be a constitutional question. And I don't know how you could possibly limit this to San Bernardino because something's gonna be happening somewhere else, New York, San Francisco everywhere. You make the same argument every time and basically you want to throw the Constitution out

1:27:38 because if someone says there's a threat there, we're not even sure that it exists. But if we want into that phone this phone or your phone whatever just to make sure then you would throw out. This isn't an Ethereum. That is...that hit me I'm like oh crap! It's absolutely right the reasonable no what does not reasonable suspicion? What is it John? I don't know probable cause is very powerful, this probable cause. I think actually looked it up just to give you part of the definition but probable cause really can only be used... hold on, bring it up here The right of the people to be secure in their persons how? This is obviously the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizures shall not be involved and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly described the place to be searched and the persons are things to be searched

1:28:35 If you, and I obviously am not a lawyer but probable cause sufficient reason based known fact. Sufficient reason based upon known facts to believe a crime has been committed or that certain property is connected with the crime probable cause must exist for a law enforcement officer to make an arrest without a warrant search without a warrant or seize property in the belief that the items were evidence of a crime The way I interpret probable cause is if we are, this guy's not now he's dead and we know quote unquote that he committed the crime. So I think what is taking place here as a saying this has nothing to do with the Fourth Amendment because you're just fishing to see if there's another crime possibly related on this phone which is not probable cause

1:29:22 Right. This is a classic fishing expedition. And I didn't realize it until Ted Olson said, screw you! There is no right because probable cause does not apply here. Right there's probably some phones that one of these guys has because there are supposed to be 100 or more phones backed up and need to be cracked where there might be probable cause. So now did you see the Tim Cook ABC News interview with David Moon? I watched the beginning of it I pulled a couple very short quotes and Tim Collins, Tom Cook is fantastic for quotes or clips. He talks in you know very staccato and make no mistake...I think this guy is ruthless!

1:30:06 I looked a little bit at his history, he ran distribution. He's been in the company for awhile You know these people as well John very very there was a guy at Omnicom who was the second-in-command? I forget his name But it is like a hatchet guy make no mistake Tim Cook is very very very I think he has a lot in him to do anything he wants now knowing that We can actually all have our devices reason... certainly our iOS device is secure if you choose a longer passphrase, we've talked about that. Which in this case would really make it difficult if not impossible for law enforcement agencies FBI Department of Justice to get in there and actually crack open your phone If you follow those guidelines but instead of that

1:30:55 which is what I believe should be the education of the American consumer or the Apple consumer. Instead of saying, well you can always protect yourself by this Tim Cook goes all out a half hour interview and i think he is completely disingenuous about about what is going on and why they want to do this and it is my opinion listening...and we'll go through a couple these clips that uh they maybe with Steve Jobs dying wish that Tim Cook promised, you know make sure the iPhone is secure for everyone's data. Make it the the secure device so he's willing to lie and position this in crazy ways

1:31:33 And this will come to Congress and that's his mission as well. First, what is at stake here? What is at stake here is can the government compel Apple to write software that we believe would make hundreds of millions of customers vulnerable around the world including in the U.S.? and also trample civil liberties that are at the basic foundation of what this country was made on. Okay, so he's not talking about constitutionality he is talking about trampling civil liberties which is a little different from constitutional rights and he introduces a new meme before we had... What would you say about doing this? It would be... Well, he said backdoor He said all kinds of different

1:32:22 themes, but now this software that the court wants Apple to create has a new analogy. This is new? This software would be like cancer. They sat around and dreamed that one up, and he repeated a couple times here He is again, and in this guy's just don't believe there are some things that just should never be created correct I mean do Think about this it is in our view the software equivalent of cancer There you go Is this something that should be created okay? And then we have him doing that yet again Let me see where is it here

1:33:16 We have no other information on this phone. None! The only way we know to get additional information is to write a piece of software that is the software equivalent of cancer That's what it states here He said it three times? Three times in the interview, yes That's crazy Well because this is very very managed Okay, here. Now he's... this is very interesting I'm not quite sure why he brings this group in The new Reuters poll just today showing nearly half understand where you're coming from but this is clearly a country divided on this What do you say to the folks who say, you should write that software? You should help unlock the phone Well, this-this is not about a poll

1:33:55 This is about the future. It's about the future John hold on as I can sit down take notes and what I have seen is people Understand, what is at stake here an increasing number support us? We've had we have support from politicians to the ones that grabbed me the most I've gotten thousands of emails since this occurred in the largest single category People are from the military these are men and women this is very interesting. This is really interesting do you think that's true The largest... You know, it's possible. But I also think that if you're in the military they probably have all kinds of provisions about how you can not protect your data or protect it a certain way. I think he is making some of this stuff up. Fight for our freedom and our liberty and they want us to stand up and be counted on this issue for them Are you reading those letters? Those emails every night? I am reading every one of them Oh yeah, sure. They are very heartfelt, deep emotional

1:34:53 This is our country. This country is about life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness It's about freedom of expression, freedom of speech These are core principles in America None of which apply to your particular instance Your particular case And let's continue. David, if we knew a way to get the information on the phone that we haven't already given—if we knew a way to do this that would not expose hundreds of millions of other people to issues—we would obviously do it. But again, this is not about one phone. This is about the future.

1:35:32 So we went from civil liberties to it's about the future. It's about Apple's future and I agree with Tim Cook now, but I think he's right that they should not be forced to do this But you're being disingenuous Tim Collins cook You're being very disingenuous. I don't know where this stops but I do know that This is not this is not what should be happening in this country This is not what should be happening in America if there should be a law that compels us to do it. It should be passed out in the open and the people of America should get a voice in that The right place for that debate to occur is in Congress This is very interesting, here we have both sides

1:36:14 saying, this is not for the court to decide because it's not a constitutional issue. This is for Congress to decide he wants legislation. Comey wants legislation that Apple has done this in the past before they protected their lock which they can clearly unlock. In fact He's very disingenuous about what really is the master key. We, our job is to protect our customers Okay that's all there you go That's the quote All he cares about his Apple customers and that's not That's not a bad thing, but don't bullshit around. Our job is to protect our customers and our customers have incredibly detailed information on their phones There's probably more information about you On your phone than there is in your house think about the children smartphones are loaded with

1:37:04 our intimate conversations, our financial data, our health records. They're also loaded with the location of our kids in many cases and so it's not just about privacy but it's also about public safety no one would want this kind of information to be available No one I don't believe would want a master key built that would turn hundreds of millions of locks. Even if that key were in the possession, of the person you trust most, That key could be stolen. That is what this is about. So here... Okay! That's what this is about? Stealing the Key?! Really!? You have the Key!!

1:37:45 Apple owns the master key to putting software on their devices. It is an encryption key, they own it already! That is what they would have to use to make this thing work on one device So to say no-one wants a masterkey oh its so dangerous to have that is bullcrap Bull crap This guy he's either in cahoots and their driving this to come up with legislation Well there's just no either or. He wants to have some kind of law to make them, to make Apple be the number one secure place for all your data This is what this is the marketing that Department of Justice has complained about So this is about protecting the safety of people who carry those iPhones That's exactly right

1:38:28 That's all that it is about. This is like a giant infomercial Oh yeah, oh yeah! And... That was one of the reasons I didn't watch it because it just seemed like a per- In fact, I've seen this thing since the beginning and considered nothing but a publicity stunt for Apple. I concur and want to continue with three more clips just to get it all out. This is not something we would create. This would be bad for America It would also set a precedent that many people in America will be offended by And so when you think about those which are known compared to something that might be there, I believe we are making the right choice.

1:39:15 three quarters of the way through the interview he brings up encryption which really doesn't have anything to do with it what they're being asked to do. This is about civil liberties and is about people's ability to protect themselves Wow I like this so we're all going to be for Apple creating something so that we can protect ourselves but Doesn't go the same for guns if we take encryption away from the good people The only people who retake a Christian away. The only people that will be affected are the good people not the bad people And this is a specious argument because it's not about their encryption encryption Apple doesn't own encryption Encryption is readily available in every country in the world as matter of fact the US government sponsors and funds encryption in many cases and so if we limit it in some way

1:40:04 The people that will hurt are the good people, not the bad What is ABC doing to give this guy a half an hour of this blather? I will add that he started off and they're in Tim Cook's office on the campus. And it's like, wow! I don't think we've ever done any...I've never done an interview from my office because there is...this is a script, this is a setup, this is something that I'm not quite sure what side all the actors are on but their idea is to get legislation. This is about creating laws has nothing

1:40:40 to do with the Constitution, I'm now realizing. Here's another little data point... This isn't just about privacy although it is very important It's also about public safety. Public Safety! Listen there isn't anything in the constitution that says you have a right to public safety? I can't recall This is outrageous. Now here we go, so now he's really getting...now we're winding it up, he's getting to- We need laws! We want a law! We want a law!! You can imagine the target that would be on that piece I'm not saying government would abuse it. I don't agree that going case by case is the right approach but there are a lot of bad guys in the world Wait a minute wait a minute, I didn't hear that first time what did he just say?

1:41:23 I don't agree that doing it case by case is the right approach. Right, so you're saying it should be massive like on a mass scale? Yeah! Hold on... Let me just wow let's just roll this back a second. I think-I don't think he meant to say this and you can imagine the target that would be on that piece. I'm not saying government would abuse it. I don't agree that going case by case is the right approach Okay, there's a lot of bad guys in the world. Wow he did that. There's a lot of bag He did a Ted Cruz does it not a bad guys? And you don't need to look further than what has happened to our own government millions of people have had Their personal information stolen by hackers Yeah We don't want it piece-by-piece I'm concerned about him saying that so he thinks that maybe or maybe the legislation he wants is not Piece-By-Piece Maybe it is something a little broader

1:42:16 That's very confusing. He should have to answer for that what's at stake here is Should we be compelled to write software? That we believe would make vulnerable hundreds of millions of people and trample on civil liberties That is what is it state and the heartwarming emails I'm getting from military there he goes again policeman from all across America tells me there's a fair number of people. From podcasters that believe as we do and even the people that don't believe that in our democracy this should be out in the open and discussed legislated not under some kind of you know done in the back room somewhere nobody listens to c-span

1:43:02 We were promised all of that stuff a long time ago So the obvious question will you take it to the Supreme Court if you have two are you prepared to take this? All the way to the Supreme Court. Uh, we would be prepared to take this issue all the way He says all the way doesn't say all the way the Supreme Court but he says all the way so generally speaking When you have a CEO of a mega company that has anything to do with technology, the only reason they want to do any of this stuff is for liability issues. And I suspect that there's somebody one of their lawyers and Apple always has some of the best lawyers or Ted Olson period all the tech companies anybody remembers the Franklin computer

1:43:53 is there's somebody has uncovered, this theory. What is the phrase I should be using? It's a... Discovered? No it's and I can't Wow you pull an atom that's pretty rare. That's rare. This is something somebody discovered that came up in the conversation during this process of having to crack this phone saying we could be liable If something like this happens, and there's a...we could be sued because we made these promises. And they do! They make all these promises. Security and all the rest of it. We need to get legislation that holds us blameless and harmless. It's gotta be in there. We'll just get this legislation of some sort—we don't care what it is but we gotta get it in there cause' we're sitting on a powder keg here." I like that John. I like that theory a lot. In fact, I will read you the marketing

1:44:51 from Apple's security. By the way, I'm citing no proof. Okay, but I'll cite some proof this is from Apple's marketing it also shows up in their legal process guidelines the same language On devices running iOS 8 and later versions, your personal data is placed under protection of your passcode. For all devices running iOS 8 and later versions Apple will not perform iOS data extractions in response to government warrants because the files to be extracted are protected by encryption key that is tied to the user's passcode which Apple does not possess Which, so they kind of put a statement out saying and this is 2014 I think. We can't do this anymore and you know what? Whoever at FBI or whoever came up with this concept of how to do it should be congratulated because they exposed a huge vulnerability. Apple knows that this is what came up in the conversation amongst the lawyers. And when you say this... Holy shi- And when you state this yes! Yes! When you state that

1:45:55 I think that's, you know...say we can't get at your data. Now it all depends on the interpretation. They don't need a million lawsuits? No nobody needs that could be it could be a class action of epic proportions anyway. And they're so paranoid their lawyers at Apple are so paranoid I could just imagine saying oh my god this is putting the company at risk! But I think Again, if you just look at the simplicity of it. I like my iPhone! It is now reasonably secure because i'm using a 12 character passphrase Even if Apple creates this thing...it's not going to be that easy as far as we know for anyone to crack my phone even if they have uh maybe if they can bypass

1:46:48 the hurdles Apple's put in there, it could take hundreds of years to get my...really to open up my encryption. But that's not being said! No one is educating the public! I don't understand. I really don't understand. Let me put it this way—I don't understand why everybody doesn't see the craziness of this…of the arguments being made The devices are perfectly secure if you know what you're doing and you have some education, and they have everything in there. But they want something in Congress. They want legislation... And it could be that Apple's protecting their downside on liability? But man! I mean Apple has had lots of lawsuits but this is going so far It seems like the only thing I can come up with is that Steve Jobs in his dying breath said hey Tim Collins come over here

1:47:40 Make sure that no one, that the data for our customers is 100% secure. That no government... I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs kept the government out of Apple while he was alive and maybe that you know maybe that was it? Well they got back in after he died that's for sure because it showed up in this in all the different Wikileaks and what's his name in Russia stuff Snowden yeah Snowden who's the real problem here. So I'm just going to replay a little piece of this clip from Thursday, Sunday show about Tim Cook using the gay agenda to further his mission People have entrusted us with their most personal and precious information We owe them nothing less than the best protections

1:48:41 that we can possibly provide. By harnessing the technology at our disposal and working together as businesses, governments and citizens we believe we can bring about a future... That is kind of the definition of fascism isn't it? He wants to work with the government to create something. Oh yeah. Well you see- ...that fully embraces both privacy and security We must get this right! Mmhmm Okay This is a little more echo slow it down a bit. We got another winner, okay? Oh Well a combo combo because I'm going to play a clip from family guy right after this history has shown us that Sacrificing our right to privacy you're right This is crap gonna totally produce that nailed it can have dire consequences we still live in a world where

1:49:41 where all people are not treated equally. Too many people do not feel free to practice their religion or express their opinion, or love who they choose, a world in which that information can make the difference between life and death." Ooh, trick-or-treaters! Well what do we have here? A cowboy and a princess?! Uh... Yippee ki yay Mr. Mayor Oh ho, a western princess Alright listen We want that drinking law gone And everybody knows the best way to get any law struck down is to get the gays angry about it Yeah I saw that one too

1:50:39 Bill Gates had an interesting take. I don't know if I edited this properly though, let's see is Apple right to be challenging the FBI's Request to open a back door or two its phones well the There's no doubt Apple can make this information available and I don't think there is any doubt that when the courts eventually rule Also talking, but he talks about the courts not about Congress That they'll follow whatever the court says to do He's citing no opinion. Citing nothing, just blowing it out of his ass. Well he has a good line here. Want the government to be blind on one hand or if it is not blind does it have the right safeguards how that information when its acquired and how its used

1:51:31 That's a good debate. In my view, the benefits to the government being able to enforce taxation, being able to stop crime, particular things like terrorism with nuclear weapons or biological means which means a very few number of people are given by innovation the ability to affect millions or billions. I hope that we can have that debate so that safeguards are built so people don't opt and it'll be country-by-country that hey its better off if the government

1:52:11 doesn't access any information. Would you support a backdoor into Microsoft phones, Google phones, Apple phones as a general principle? Nobody's talking about a back door So that's not the right question. This is a specific case where the government is asking for access to information, they're not asking for some general thing they are asking for a particular case. But is Apple right to say that a backdoor once created in one case can be used in future? to the information. They're just refusing to provide the access and the courts will tell them whether to provide the access or not You shouldn't call the access some special thing It's no different than, you know should have anybody ever been able to tell a phone company to get an information bank records Should anybody be able to get it at bank records? There is no difference between information The government has come asking for specific set of information

1:53:15 And, you know let's say the bank had tied a ribbon around the disk drive and they said oh don't make me cut this ribbon because he'll make me cut it many times just because this guy is such a terrible person. I like that but i like the analogy Apple security is like a ribbon Don't ask me to cut the ribbons He was actually slamming them Yeah Oh yeah So im not so worried anymore This is going to be a long drawn out conversation in congress Everybody wants the people should vote. The people should say, the people... Congress is not going to do us any favors? No! No no no no. All it's gonna do is a favor for Apple To make them liability proof or less chance of getting sued They do this constantly with all the pharmaceutical companies It's like every big company comes to congress and says okay we'll make you so that you can't get sued by law

1:54:19 Yeah, so it's I don't know what your take is but when i hear Comey and Cook come in cook the odd couple. When I hear them both talking about no this is not for the court this is for Congress with the people to decide that you just got a wonder are they both maybe Apple just wants to have something that No, I can't imagine that. It has never been...I don't think ever in the history of mankind have we ever had an information box that no one could open except the owner with the appropriate credentials? Not really. And the question is this is used to be encryption during World War II and most it was always cracked but

1:55:16 And that's kind of a box. So for individuals, I like the Apple sales job but they don't have to do anything because it already works. I hope they don't take that part out where i can have strong passphrases so I'm happy but I would think that apple wants it codified that they are allowed to...that they and we know android can't do it.. That they are the ones who have the absolute secure box And of course, in history I don't think that's ever existed. No you cannot get my information now of course what's fun about it is as you just said... You can use your... There are plenty instances where you can't get my information and just memorize it and shut up! Right that's the only one that's how you keep your passcode but people these days can even remember six digits so you get what you deserve dumb slaves

1:56:15 Well, when I was doing Cranky Geeks of Farmer the guy who's a good hacker and knows all this stuff. He said you want to remember long passphrases? You do it in the form of a sentence. Yes. I always thought that was a good idea so you would do something like this is my password for the Apple iPhone 5c Right And that would be your passcode and if anyone's going to guess And it would, that's way over the characters you're talking about and it'd be very hard to crack. And you can remember that! But what you can't remember is a Joe Engo password. 5 carat5 ampersandampersandampersand66643 lowercase abc You know this thing that goes on forever when in long sentence

1:57:08 You know, I'm really a big fan of the Golden State Warriors or something even sillier. It's just as secure and there is a good tip for people who want to have long passwords." So I think it's all marketing? Yeah, I think this is a marketing ploy! And I don't like that Cook is only talking about this and not touting the actual capabilities of their devices which means he's full of shit. Wanted I got an email from one of our producers who is a teacher Annie teacher Annie? Adam, I was listening to the last show in which you mentioned the mind up program from Goldie Hawn Then you played a clip. You played a clip let me let me play a little piece of that clip This is Goldie Hawn's educational charity so the beautiful thing is to live right now How hard is that oh the only thing it's hard about it is finding the time just sit down and

1:58:02 A few times each day, the kids pause. It's called a brain break after a few quiet moments their eyes open and heart rates drop. That's telling our bodies that we're calm and we can think clearly and were ready to take a test or ready to calm down it can also tame aggression what if you're angry at your friend should you just hit them? Yes! That's why we pause deep breath And out. So this was the gong or the chime and so Annie continues

1:58:37 While I understand your concern about the mind control aspect of the techniques of the program as a teacher, what I heard was wonderful! If I can keep my students from hitting each other kicking each other or bashing each others heads into a wall it has been a good day. Inner city kids need programs like this to teach them how to act towards each other because they aren't learning those skills at home. I personally use a gong in my classroom cue John Wow Cue John I teach music and theater to grades one through five. Yelling at students or waiting for them to pay attention simply does not work and wears out my voice, so i use the gong Anyway glad answer questions about being a public school teacher working with inner-city kids yeah send us more Annie! I love that And you have inspired me Luckily...I have been informed this is the Zenergy chime That is being used in the Mind Up program Oh! And I feel uh that we can use this to our own benefit

1:59:35 Yes. Okay, everybody! This is all hip for various levels of... Well let's try it out. Let's try it out. Okay everybody- wait maybe I should put a little reverb on that. Okay everybody It's time for our brain break Let our bodies know that we're calm and we can think clearly And we're ready to calm down What if you're angry at your friends? Should you just hit them? That's why we take a deep breath We'll make to no agenda

2:00:15 How crazy that is the sound from the and the manufacturer you gotta get we got to get a couple It's on order. That's only nine at the dinner table and JC chimes, and we're talking about some of this stuff mm-hmm And he uh he says He always considers himself a Lacanian trained, there'd be a few people out there who recognize that name. Well you need to explain that. It's a long story. We've talked about it like years ago. Okay yeah... He says the methodology for avoiding being hypnotized by a sweet talker who is actually hypnotizing you more than they are teaching how to meditate or anything else

2:01:08 He says the key to success, to keep from being hypnotized is to actually concentrate on their words to an extreme. Why did... I just programmed everybody's brain and now you're telling them how not to do it? Well it was too late they were already in programming because they're not going be able to do this now unless they listen to the show later. Hold on let's see if it works. Listen to that thing man! That's a gem So you listen very carefully to the person talking, which is what we do on this show when we listened to some of the bull crap that is being read to us. And television is more or less a hypnotic product anyway. You're just staring at it and they're telling you crazy stuff like the Romney thing citing no proof

2:01:56 Citing no proof is a form of this and so if you listen carefully, which is what we do on this show We when we listen to these clips. Yes It's the same thing You just listen carefully and you will not be good because then you actually excited to be listening So carefully donate to know agenda Donate to know agenda donate to know agenda don't need to know again Oh man that thing is painful almost I think if you have the real deal, you won't have this issue. It's a pretty good recording Yeah it is...it's piercing What else we got going on Johnny boy? Oh my gosh! Congratulations

2:02:44 Okay, thank you. I'm proving once again that you are from the future! Uh... what'd i do now? Well, you brought up a product which I don't think I've ever heard of before. Ah yeah sorghum. Sorghum and moments later the next day on the number one television show in America. I mapped out some of the agricultural supply places in the area Even if they've been cleaned out, my bet is that the sorghum would be untouched. That there's a criminally underrated grain that could change the game with our food situation from scary to hunky dunky. I'm talking standability drought tolerance grain to stover ratio that is the envy of all corns think about it. That, of course, is walking dead then now I got to think we're being set up with this sorghum crap. It'll be because we've got the biggest biggest depression ever coming

2:03:37 So sorghum is also mentioned apparently by somebody sent me a note that Stephen King is touting it. Yeah, Mr. Apocalypse! And apparently Stephen King's future story which I think the name of the show was 11-2263? Which is a mini series only available on Hulu to Hulu subscribers My wife has been watching it. I'll probably watch it later It's apparently dynamite. It's a guy in the future that sent back... This is actually an interesting thesis for time travel guy in the future sent back to stop the Kennedy assassination. And really, why didn't he stop the John Lennon assassination? That would be better. You can do that later and actually if you stopped the Kennedy assassination, the John Lennon assassination would probably by nature be stopped naturally but anyway it turns and I think the story is this resistance

2:04:33 that time has. In other words, Kennedy... the elemental forces that are going to result in Kennedy's assassination are pretty hard to interrupt and this show I think-I haven't seen it. I'm gonna start watching so i can say but this is what I understand because I read the reviews And so the guy going back in time trying to stop this is thwarted just constantly can't manage to get get the job done Very interesting. Speaking of that, there's two new shows I caught one is Billions Yes Which is... Is that Amazon? I think it's an Amazon original with Paul Giamatti Good show and I didn't like it No

2:05:18 Hmm well it was pushing I like the you know the first episode where his wife You know ties him down and urinates on him. I they got my attention Well, that's probably the only reason he liked it I found found that to be just like why am I watching this if I want? You know I can watch you know porn if I want to watch something like this It was disgusting and the other show is vinyl And that's on think that's HBO buying yeah, I've watched via vinyl. I really don't like hmm Because I here's what my take on vinyl it's extremely slow moving. It's so sluggish Did you see the second episode or only the pilot only watch the first two-hour episode? Yeah, this said if you watch a second one You kind of get sucked in I think I tried to watch the second one But I was so put off by the first episode hmm

2:06:07 That I don't think I can. I'm biased, I'm biased. I'll give a second episode a second shot but it better really be good. I'm biased and i'l tell you why because I know either the names of the players or who they are supposed to be playing in the music business Yeah so its an insider show It is an insider show yeah Well this is like Silicon Valley Like Silicon Valley is an insider show Well I didn't even watch last season Shit I am very picky about what. I watch I tend to watch real popular stuff For structure, and I like you know shows that are kind of I like mysteries I liked it detect stories in the chatroom Donald Trump just said I will make vinyl great again So we're good to go So I don't like vinyl I don't like billionaire or whatever is called and the other new shows if I've tried bumped into a bunch of them

2:07:05 And I'm glad, I mean, I try not to watch this stuff. Somebody was asking about The Good Wife. What do you think about The Good Wife? I said it's a fantastic show. It is very well structured and has an annoying long arc that I just don't want to deal with. I don't want to start watching soap operas in prime time. Just not for me! So I don't, what I try not to...I always say should I be watching C-SPAN for the benefit of the No Agenda listener or should I be watching this crap? And I always back off. People come into my room and they see me and they see what am i watching. I'm watching C-SPAN or Warriors game. Speaking of that! I watched C-SPAN for y'all and I got the president was meeting with someone in his sit down chair room

2:07:54 And then afterwards the press was able to ask questions, so the president was reasonably unscripted. There was no teleprompter visible... You know this situation with a camera clicking? He addressed the issue of nominating a new Supreme Court justice Yeah, he's on the stump for this. That's why you saw him and there are a couple things that we need to talk about in what he said on his stump Let's see how the public responds to the nominee that we put forward This is already interesting right off the bat. He's saying let's see how the public responds Fine, the public is not responsible It is the president's article 2 section 2 clause 2 it is the president

2:08:43 job to nominate with advice and consent of the Senate. And the Senate doesn't necessarily represent the people, does it? It represents a... States? The states more than the people. Yeah, but the president say this should that this is the people should decide nope nope that's not how it works. The one thing I think is important to dispel any notion somehow this is some well established tradition. Now listen carefully the President going start refuting all of talking points which means they bother him or bother somebody

2:09:24 And we had the 80-year question, which we already highlighted on the show when Rubio said oh you know 80 years this hasn't happened. Then Ted Cruz said it then the A-hole moderator interrupted and said no that's not right it was nominated in 85 86 so technically not right and the president goes into this So there is something strange here Or some constitutional principle that a president in his last year of office cannot fill the Supreme Court vacancy It's not in the text of the Constitution. Ironically, these are Republicans who say they believe in reading the text of the Constitution and focusing on the intent of the Constitution. None of the founding fathers thought

2:10:05 You know when it comes to the president carrying out his duties He should do it for three years and then on the last year stop doing it. This is a very very weak argument he's pulling out here, and the appointments clause is really It only says the president shall have the power by And with the advice and consent of the Senate to make treaties provided two-thirds of the senate present present or concur and he shall nominate and bide I and with the advice and consent of the Senate shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers, council judges, a judge of the Supreme Court. And all are the officers of the United States." Does it say advice? Yes. So this sort of sentence was to advise him with the advice and consent of the Senate and consent getting any advice. So he's in violation of that already. Well who is violating? The president. He's already well deep in his going to pick somebody where's the advice?

2:11:03 Um, well here it is. This is uh... I also looked up consent. I don't even care about this as far as I'm concerned he can do whatever he wants but did you- yeah I hope that if you're gonna do this bid here that you're gonna bring in the Joe Biden clip Hello motherfucker! Of course There's an argument that well The president shouldn't do this because he is a lame duck Well The truth of the matter is traditionally the term lame duck refers to two or three months after an election has taken place in which a new president is about to be sworn in. Is that true? Is that the official definition of a lame duck? Generally speaking, the lame duck is a guy who is

2:11:49 lost...generally speaking, it's this. You just lost the election and now you're still in office and then a new guy is going to take over but he doesn't take over that day of the election he takes over a couple months later so there is that little period where you are the lame duck." And I said it would apply to him. That you can, you know, you're not obliged to do anything or you are the dumb lame duck? Your not supposed to really mess things up but you could why not? It's just called, you're just called a lame duck doesn't mean you can't do anything. I've got a year to go. I don't think they would approve of me abdicating on my duties as commander-in-chief. Stop doing all the other work that iIgot to do well. All the other work John? He's got a lot of work! Well he's got a lot of golf. Got a lot of golf and work on his swing yeah. All the other work that I got to do well

2:12:36 This is part of my job. There's been arguments that for 80 years, this has been the tradition well that's not the case. Now he's actually going to explain this little ditty Justice Kennedy was a fool. I think this guy's poor Well hold on! Being nominated by Ronald Reagan in Ronald Reagan last year of office they say well that's different because he had been nominated in 1987 even if This is what happens when he's not scripted. He should not be doing this, this is stupid! If you want to make a point to go into depth about this but 80 years is dumb and then stick with the original thing I'm doin' my job. ...confirmed or 85 even if it was confirmed in 86 well... He's worse than Kerry when he gets in these situations. The notion that there's some two month period which suddenly all flips and everything shuts down? That's not a credible argument

2:13:30 What other arguments are they making? I don't know. Just keep on going! They suggest that well there have been a couple of times where Democrats said it would be wise for a president not to nominate someone First of all, we know senators say stuff all the time. I like this Because he's pretty much slamming his vice-president He says, oh senators say shit all the time man. You know they just say stuff all the time Joe Biden was a senator when he said this as a result It is my view that if a supreme court justice resigns tomorrow or within the next several weeks Or resigns at the end of the summer President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not drunk and not

2:14:21 name a nominee until after the November election is completed. The Senate too, Mr President must consider how it would respond to a Supreme Court vacancy that would occur in the full throes of an election year It is my view that if the president goes the way of Presidents Fillmore and Johnson and presses an election year nomination the senate judiciary committee should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until ever, until after the political campaign season is over. Not to nominate someone first of all we know senators say stuff all the time second of

2:15:12 These were comments that were made where there was no actual nomination at stake. Well, you can laugh about that but Joe Biden's words your vice president some dumb ass senator because you know they always say stuff all the time he said that so it has no application to actual the actual situation that we have right now. So, we'll see how this plays itself out but I'm gonna do my job. I'm going to nominate somebody and let the American people decide as to whether that person is qualified. No no! The American people don't decide that And if they are qualified let the American people decide whether there's enough time for the US Senate to hold hearings and have a vote It's not as if from what I see the senate calendar is so full That we don't have time to get this done. Well

2:16:02 I don't know. Eh. Consent to agree in opinion or sentiment to be of the same mind, that is what is needed. Seems like another distraction the whole thing. Oh yeah! Totally totally and it came up with my... I've fixed my... Blah blah blah. It's worse than Carrie. I fixed mine just as bad. I fixed my analogy You know, everyone's saying well if we get this person if he nominates that and then if Hillary gets this many delegates and Bernie does this it's not money ball. I figured out what it is It's fantasy football That's what they're doing Fantasy sports would be better Okay fantasies but fantasy football everybody understands No everyone understands fantasy sports Fantasy football is an element of it When I think fantasy sports I got a whole different idea What do you say? Oh never mind

2:16:59 I think you already brought it up with the billionaires citation. New WikiLeaks leaked Italy spying, this is a clip from Democracy Now and there's... You know about the new WikiLeak stuff? Have you been exploring it? I have three things on my docket one of that is this I have the thousand page report from Dame Judy or Judith or whatever name is about uh the pedobears in the UK so no I haven't explored it yet well let's listen to this listen to this clip Italy summoned the U.S. ambassador after reports the National Security Agency tapped the phones of former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and his aides in 2011. Italy said it wanted specific clarifications after Italian news outlets citing WikiLeaks reported on the spying. Hmm, okay... Now so that WikiLeaks has a bunch of new stuff that came out with I don't know how this planet I don't know too much about i just found out about it when I listen to this Democracy Now report because nobody else is talking about

2:18:01 And it seems to me that if Democracy Now is going to be the only people that even mention it, why don't they start looking into this? Nobody seems to know all these great documents and everybody's like whatever nobody cares. Let's just slam Trump we got other things do with our time I find it very peculiar. Of course this latest thing is just yeah we're spying on Berlusconi holy crap who knew he'd do something like that! We spy on everybody Yeah, it's a lot more NSA targets world leaders for US geopolitical interest. Yeah yeah This is why the iPhone can never be completely locked down people this cannot happen Yeah, and it won't happen in fact the NSA probably already has the back door French Austrian Belgians Italians UN officials Excellent well yeah that's what we do What's the problem?

2:18:57 And while you're talking about that TV show Billionaires, I was actually disturbed by this by this clip. I'm not disturbed, but it was bothersome. This is the billionaire's clip. Beijing now has more billionaires than New York. The Chinese capital added 32 to its ranks last year bringing the total to 100 thanks to a number of new listings on the stock market. New York City has 95 billionaires according to the latest who run reports latest global rich list Moscow rounded up the top three with 66 Okay Does anybody find this to be peculiar? I'll tell you why. When I was a kid, not even a kid when it was like in the late 70's and then when I started working around 81 or something like that probably 80 no I went to work for Ziff Davis in 86 and so in 86 and got to know Bill Ziff at the time he was a billionaire

2:20:02 And at the time, there were something like 12 or 13 in the entire world. And I knew a bunch of them. Larry Ellison was a billionaire, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were billionaires... The guy who ran Evergreen Shipping out of Taiwan was a billionaire. But it was a limited number of people! And then all the sudden the billionaire maniac took off and everybody's becoming a billionaire and of course it's all related to- Well, well to be fair what she said is because of the stock market listings they may be worth a billion on paper

2:20:38 Yes, not exactly like they got a billion in cash sitting around that's true But still they could do you know you can sell those that stock and come out with a lot of money is your problem the actual amount The billions that we have this billion billion billion instead of millionaires because when I was growing up millionaire was a big deal now It's Billy wise which is a thousand times. Yeah, right. There was a house on the block He's a millionaire son. Yes as the houses worth more than that I just find it very peculiar. And, oh, I've noticed this though the other one during my early era was the Sultan of Brunei was a big deal is loaded but nobody there wasn't these hundreds of billionaires it was just maybe 20 or 30 max and I just find it distressing in what way that there's more billionaires

2:21:27 Well, it's like what change to make all these billionaires? It has to be one thing only. Finance! These guys are all somehow the financial structure of the country and the banking system... No it is a devaluation of money that we're all... And the devaluation of money there's no doubt about that so I'm thinking you were probably right about the gold idea Stuck with it and thank you very much for telling everybody about my gold hoarding on your little show there was Horowitz So now I'm a target. What did they say? No, you talk about how Korea that had got a gold doorstop Then he was this I got word

2:22:12 This was like five years ago. No two episodes ago now I'm Dvorak Horowitz unplugged You can go listen to you will not find me talking about your gold door stop which as far as I know you don't oh, no I don't I have gold coins. I got coins. I get coins. I gave your coin coins is fine Do you still love the coin? I gave you Oh, man. Yeah I believe i do the one that's in the plastic thingy? yeah...yeah I still have that it's a third of an ounce of gold that I gave you yeah it's worth more than a couple hundred bucks It says its worth a penny or something on the gold so now you're actually telling me that you think gold is a good idea well you know gold probably not a bad idea once at these levels at eleven hundred

2:22:57 But it's still not as, far as I'm concerned, it doesn't have half of the charm and the leverage of real estate which is really what people should invest in. Because real estate goes up just like gold does. Yeah...and it goes down. I've had good and bad in real estate. It doesn't go down that much. I've had good and bad. I don't know what happened there. Sorry about that. I'll tell you what, why don't we take a break? You know, you can have good and bad in real estate but it's not like gold does the same thing. I mean it was on its way to 2000 is 1100 now that even a house doesn't make that kind of plug. Yeah but gold is portable houses no so

2:23:57 Oh yeah. And when we left to go to England, I had two houses to sell one was the castle believe me good times and the other one... You didn't lease the castle? No that i bought that and in the house in Amsterdam I took a bath on the house in Amsterdam. So you kept it? Yeah oh that's real easy no but I made money on the castle And then I lost all of it to my second wife. It's all gone." Well, there you go! That is not a function of the real estate... It's a function of my penis as usual More gold from ya Alright let's thank a few people who helped us Sir Don Borosky in... where are you? In Spokane Valley 12345 and he has a note which... Are we reading notes again?! I have to read this note

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2:27:26 which is disappointing. Anonymous in Tallahassee, Florida 6666 and we got a birthday coming up for somebody Guy Nichols in Harrison Arkansas 5705 Jeffrey Sewell in Wyandotte I think Wyandotte anyway... And then Guy Nichols says he's gonna be at the meetup by the way Oh in Fayetteville? Yeah He's in Harrison right down this street You can drive across the Arkansas in easy within a day easily, but then that few hours actually. Jeffrey Sewell you should go to some just some cool towns in Arkansas I think Arkansas is one of the prettiest states in the country people don't realize it. Do you know that? I was reading that the FBI has raided some guys like somebody's... Yes, North Little Rock Yeah they are they you know they raided his high he's an archivist better known as a hoarder

2:28:24 And he has all these photo archives, and do you think that it might have something to do with Hillary? Yeah. I don't know good or bad. No bueno! We don't know but they raided this guy He's... no one will talk to him They took... raided his house and his archives which is a big warehouse full of... what he apparently did as a hoarder was go around from newspaper fold... You know as the newspapers all folded they'll have What are called... Content! They have morgues. They're called morgues. Microfiche? No, microfiches is different the morgs are the original photographs and you go in there and you have this reminds me of a story I used to always tell my speeches it turns out that the morgue at the San Francisco examiner's about them it turns out that

2:29:17 It's okay. Bring it on, you can do it. Let me set it up. Here is how I lead into...I talk about how Bill Gates claims that he never said 640K should be enough which is a... And this is something that we were just talking about where you get attributed things to you that may or may not be true? It may or may not be true because he turns out ...he never did as early on but when it was 640k was enough But he denied it. He says, you can't find any proof that I've ever said this there's no way i ever said this which led me to the story about the photos in the morgue at The San Francisco Examiner This is the photos in the morgue of The San Francisco Examiners story by John C Dvorak It turns out there was a bunch of photos taken of Bobby Kennedy In San Francisco

2:30:09 the day before Marilyn Monroe was murdered in Southern California. Those photos have all gone missing, nobody can say they can even prove he was there which always has led me to believe that it was Bill Gates who killed Marilyn Monroe. This is like George H W Bush who couldn't remember where he was on the day that Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. He can't, he can't remember but he was in Dallas! We have documents that he was in Dallas. Onward

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2:38:14 At the Mobile World Congress 2016 in Bartholona, there was a panel and the panel had let's see couple of Yahoo and Google executives. And they were on a panel with the chief marketing officer of this outfit called Shine. Yes! This guy's name is Roy Carthy And apparently the Google and Yahoo guys were just kind of going a little bit...now there's no video yet, so I have something else to play for. There was no video and I really wanted to get it even got people searching for me. There was nothing really to find. What is happening is this Shine outfit

2:39:02 They are an ad blocker, but they're an ad blocker that sits at the mobile network operator level. So if you are on your smartphone and you're not connected through Wi-Fi but you're connected through your mobile network... Depending on which mobile network and what deal they have with this outfit, ads will be blocked or not. It can be opt-in or opt out and this is why Google was like oh well no we're gonna... I don't understand! This is why everyone needs to be on the accelerated mobile pages which are called AMP

2:39:39 This is their big new push and they're selling it as, oh this makes your ad load really fast. It's highly compressed so you can still have all those megabytes of crap sitting in your little ad units that bring in all kinds of stuff. So don't worry and of course once its on amp then it's a part The Google infrastructure, it has HTTPS everywhere will be much harder to block. That's why they're selling that but this guy interests me a lot in this company the shine knows an Israeli company and The guy kind of talks well he has a little bit of that accent that I have But you remember a all a all shavit at media? Oh yeah It's like it was like an al type guy

2:40:24 And you know, the Israelis man they don't give a shit about you. When you...they just ramrodge you and this guy's entire position I have a clip when he was sitting down on the panel this is from December last year He's on a panel and on the panel is Connor Mullen who's the commercial director of RTE Media Sales Digital which would be a big European RTE media big big big European media company So here's the guy, he says what is happening here and they started as a malware company which I like the pivot. They start as a malware company that said wait a minute... The real malware is advertising!

2:41:03 But interesting stance, and so they pivoted and created this...they're just a technical company. And their mobile operators can determine how they use the ad blocking services. This of course is a huge problem for Facebook, for Google, for Yahoo pretty much for the entire online advertising industry. So here's this guy explaining Ad Tech Abuse. How do you break down sort of your view of ad blocking overall? Sure. We believe the consumer has the right to block ads everywhere, mobile desktop everywhere. And in fact on desktop it's very popular and ironically Google is the biggest distributor of ad blocking software in the world funny how that would work and also they're paying this quote unquote extortion fee to IA. But I had to stop that for a second he said offhandedly there this is extortion fee to IAG do you know what that is? Know what that was in reference too? You're gonna tell me yeah

2:42:00 I didn't realize this, iAg is... I think it's the... here we go. Google Microsoft Amazon and Taboola are all paying the owner of Adblock Plus to unblock ads on their website at a fee of 30% of the additional ad revenue according to Financial Times So you know this is clearly the business model for Adblock where they, you know... and everyone's trying to determine what ads will be permissible and should get through the ad blocking. We heard the guy from Google—what's his name? The new CEO that guy but he was... Yeah the Indian guy. The Indian guy uh he was talking about acceptable ads well now

2:42:53 The industry, the interactive advertising industry has come up with a concept known as LEAN. So these are the ads that will be acceptable and for a fee apparently can get through your ad blocker. LEAN stands for Light Encrypted Ad Choice Supported Non-Invasive Ads so now there's going to be some kind of counsels... How does that spell lean? L E A N light encrypted AdChoice supported non-invasive ads. Lean, it's an acronym. So that is where the industry wants to go. We need to create these, and that's not what this guy wants but we need to create these lean ads and then you can get through an ad blocker so he's talking about some extortion fee which is exactly what it is! It's a...it's an extortion fee that Adblock Plus is leveraging on those corporations but that's not- Great idea. It's the only idea They're paying this quote unquote extortion fee to IAO so the world works in funny ways now

2:43:55 Our technology specifically is targeted more at mobile networks where we feel there's a bigger opportunity and they feel there's a bigger impact on subscribers' user experience. They believe it's called pollution, we remove that pollution, we're not philanthropists so we get paid for it That being said, our technology works has been tested and is in discussions to come to fixed lines. So people dislike advertising not all of them but a lot of them we believe they should have the right to block ads they should also have the right to switch it back on in case they'd like to see you know the build for example or anybody else on there to protect the consumers

2:44:37 What I can say is this. You're not protecting the consumers, you're enabling them to get content for free? No and I'm protecting them that's what we do much as we intended at the get-go to protect them from malware and criminals and such things. Well you look at Godot it has found a door in the side of cinema and letting people sneak in there for free because they don't want to buy tickets I should mention this was an interactive advertising conference. That's why everyone is like, yeah! Yeah you're enabling people to steal our shit man! We have a social contract man! If you think that people are using ad blocking to steal content then you are completely misunderstanding the situation. This is the story of consumer abuse period. This is a story continuation of Snowden. People have drawn a line and

2:45:28 And now they can draw that line. Before Shine, before Snowden there was no line to be drawn because they didn't have the capability. That's not true. If you're resourceful and if you're talented and if your creative and the gods smile upon you... You are going to be alright! Will there be casualties? Absolutely but this contract that you speak about does not exist. There was an understanding And overzealous ad tech executives and companies, and gullible maybe naive maybe over zealous publishers as well took some very bad decisions which worked out real well for a good amount of time. And people made money. Can you stop for second? Yeah

2:46:09 One, the argument of the guy saying stealing content is that he could have countered that with well you know when you're reading through Vogue magazine and skip past a page. Is it going to add on? Are you supposed to stop at all? You don't have to. It's flawed thinking Or you've got special supplement or advertising supplement in the middle and then pull it out throw away. Is that stealing content? No none of that is. It's even worse if you look at this whole panel which isn't couple hours The advertisers, or I'm sorry the publishers really truly believe that this is a deal. You want our content? You have to watch the ads! They're delusional

2:46:49 They're doing it. I will throw another one through another anecdote in there which because i've talked to a lot of people over the years about the website design and the guy you know as you go to some website, And then all of a sudden you get this pop-up flash thing that comes into the screen and covers The whole screen pinterest is doing this now by the way It's called the covers the whole full screen look at anything without subscribing or doing something screw You? I just go on and skip it yeah but it's The guys tell me, the designers say we have designed clean sites with good spots for ads and everything works fine. We take it in and one of the guys that works at the company says can we do a pop-up?

2:47:26 No, we don't want to do poppers. People hate them." Let's do them! And you can't get past these A-holes that run some of these executive a-holes that insist on this crap. They're the ones who brought it on themselves. This is why I... Yeah, that's what he's saying. This is why I could no longer work at my own company because it became like oh, we need to do a homepage takeover for GoDaddy and make the content cheap so yeah, it's like no not interested in that anymore Anyway, let's continue. Okay, so he stated his clay is case quite clearly. I tend to agree the thing is very interesting I personally I use I like ad blockers and I think The the model that works for me is when I go to fortune because of some story Fortune will say stop you got a disabled your ad blocker if I really want to look at that content

2:48:34 then I disable the ad blocker and I go in and watch. And then, I've seen supposedly some ads." The flaw here—and this is what the advertisers...well this is what the publishers know—there's so much fraud that if...this would bring you down to real numbers people who actually want to look at the content not some click farm who really disabled the ad blocker to get in so it's not a very simple automated process or eventually could be done of course It would turn out that they have very low viewership and they would make zero money because the ad rates would come tumbling down even lower than they are today. It's all a scam, it is a big scam. And when I interrupt again... Yes sure There is one way of looking at this. I was familiar with a company that had a lot of ads and they were using these tricks of buying these click farms or whatever they are. If you went to Alexa

2:49:30 which is kind of interesting because Alexa's not really I don't think it's a really good model for figuring out you know how many people are hitting this side or whatever but if you go to Alexa on some of these sites that you're wondering about and you look at The originating countries that are sending all these clicks. Philippines, India, Indonesia and these are American companies presenting American content for Americans and why is it all the Indians listening or the Filipinos? Why they're involved in clicking away at this stuff? They're not! Scam! These are where these companies are located.

2:50:09 Scam yeah interesting IP is very interesting you bring that up so now it's in this last clip The Connor Mullen guy, who of course he works at RTE. He's the director of media sales for digital so he has to sell this stuff and this guy...he's seeing his job evaporate because mobile is no doubt the future. This guy has already...this shine outfit as I said we're working on fixed line it'll take a while i think he only has one customer right now whenever this aired But I like the idea of that being blocked at the network level. Of course, we know what the network operators are going to do they're gonna start inserting their own ads We know that's going to happen but oh yeah, but this guy this this this Conor Mullen of RTE is so frustrated he starts going at this guy in the most idiotic way and The guy comes back with something that just blew me away now my current model is advertising So you block out my advertising?

2:51:09 The consumer is still accessing my content. The consumer is paying the network operator, the network operator's paying you so both of you can pay me and we do a revenue share! Happy days!" What an A-hole first of all... I mean what he gonna do next? He gonna ask Cisco for some money because uh..the network operator uses Cisco or something? It's very bizarre. Yeah, happy days! Well happy days! Happy Days Interesting idea. You should approach your local carrier and have a conversation about that. Well, no I'll approach you. Conversation? So... I want you to listen but I don't want you step on it so listen what he says. Let's have a conversation about revenue sharing. I think it is valid argument. In fact ideas of that sort has come out. Ultimately though one side... Copyright! Hold on

2:52:03 At the same time, Shine is a technology provider. We do not provide policy nor do we create the enforcement policy at the carrier level so you would have to have that conversation with them. Do I think that... You're getting paid by the carrier aren't you? Yes, we are not philanthropists So ummm..I can take a share of your revenue? You can take a share of someone's revenue and my share of yours Because we've got a good racket going. You're not gonna be able to touch our own." Oh, okay so you've got a racket going? Yeah... Okay. Abuse! I can't believe he said it! He said, ''You can't have my revenue, We gotta good racket goin here.'' Yeah. That's the way the guy- It is a good racket. The guy said it! And it IS A RACKET! The guy said it! Ha haaa! Yeaahhh, it's a great racket. This is a great idea. I'm all for it! I'm all for it.

2:52:54 Yeah, the whole thing is a racket. That's why we don't do advertising. Yeah because the racket... No, you should do advertising! Why shouldn't we do advertising? It ruins the whole show. We can't do advertising. People that write us ask us, well I don't know if I should give you any money but you should do advertising to get everybody else. Is that the voice? If we talk about anything and advertise then we cant talk about ANYTHING Is that the voice they use? Yeah. Oh, you got one I think we should probably get out of here. I gotta get the Airstream. You got a hard on or hard off. You gotta get like I have a hard stop is what it's called. Hard stop. That's a good stop and hard stop everybody sorry hard stop this is where my assistant will come in hi Mr. Curry has a hard stop at 220

2:53:42 So you're taking off, heading to Fayetteville? Yep. Fayetteville. Fayetteville yes. That should be fun! I've never been in... well have now, I wonder. I'm telling ya you should stay in Arkansas, you should go visit like there's a town..I can't remember if it was called Buchanan or something but I'd have to look it up but there is an antique town on the border between Oklahoma and Arkansas Oh good so we're gonna go through that And when I say are you really going back through Oklahoma? Yeah Oh, then you should stop at this antique town. It's an old town... I'll dig it up for you and send you an email. Somebody may know. I think it's called Buchanan but could be something else. It's like this town from the 1870s that is huge and intact!

2:54:25 I can't wait. That sounds great! I mean, all the old bank and all these things have been changed to tchotchke shops and souvenir places but it is... you drive over the hill from coming in from the Oklahoma side, you come over the hill and look down at this thing and go, what is that? And then check your calendar make sure you're not in the twilight zone And Arkansas the Ozarks are fantastic. There's a white couple wineries up there in the mountains Ozarks are beautiful You should go up there and get some wine from the La Familia something or other winery well you send me a little list man I will and it'd be not to saw and If anybody's coming to the meet-up come with ideas yes, that's envelope so yeah That's very cool all right. I'm calling it would you get out of here? Okay? We're done that was fun I do enjoy our job

2:55:17 I do have the last clip to get out. Oh, sure. Stop! Just play Gender Weirdness and tell me what this woman is saying. Hold on a second... Gender weirdness It's hard enough being a college student, worrying about grades social life and what to do after graduation Aiden Leong has even more on her plate For me I identify myself as she-her he-him That's why Leong says changes to restrooms at UC Davis couldn't come at a better time Okay thank you, I did not need that End of the show Well, she her he him it was good talking to you Z Had a good time sure She's Chinese so I guess it sounds Chinese to say that going down hell in a handbasket people

2:56:09 She hurry he him see her Jim ZZ All right, everybody remember us for the show on Sunday Dvorak org slash na Remember us for the meetup coming up in Fayetteville on Friday evening 7 to 10. Remember us with a forthcoming pub crawl With the door corrodes unplugged show and one final question John do you actually have Pinterest? I don't use it because, I mean...I was just sent to a site to see some pictures on Pinterest and when i went there they gave me this big pop-up. You gotta be a member! Look at the pictures!! And all this stuff and this happened to me a couple of times It's very annoying. I refused to join for that reason

2:56:52 And with that, coming to you from the skyscraper, crackpot condo in downtown Austin. In FEMA Region 6 in the morning everybody I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley I am John C Dvorak We'll be back on Sunday right here on No Agenda Adios Mofos Terrorists out of the country to Turkey into Syria Thank you sir. Disgusting. It is a complete cluster. Hey John, this is getting real complicated. Guys we're under attack! By who? I don't know now! Little green men? How do they meet the challenge of little green men?

2:57:45 Oh, it's Cobra! Oh of course. Look they have the pictures of the snakes on their planes Duke what have I been saying for years? What makes a good terrorist organization? Brand recognition. Brand recognition Disgusting These are people with a history of not being honest These are people with a history of not being honest These are people with a history of not being honest Now let's go. I just need to find out what kind of smell they use How do you deal with a child who took money from me? The history of the past is coming

2:58:24 I'm not familiar with that. Never heard of it, never heard of it, never heard of Fertile Agulana. I give you permission! Be the machine now, be the machine now... What is to me green men? A kind of phenomenon Little green men? How do you like the purple challenge of little green men?

2:59:04 How do I meet the challenge of little green men? I'm not familiar with the case. Disgusting. People have a history of not being honest. If you say so please, sir. How do we meet the challenge of little green men? Kindly. How do we meet the challenge of little green men? Little Green Men? Beautiful. For Lisa. Be The Machine now! This man is asking us to be

2:59:52 I give you Bernie Sanders. All the Republicans are protecting this amendment. Donald Trump has said in speeches, he supports the first amendment and he supports the second amendment. He's a large supporter from the crowd when he says that as we look at what Donald Trump has been doing. President Bush now is focusing on Ted Cruz saying it

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3:01:50 I do not support gay marriage. I'm very, uh...very proud to state that i am a full supporter of marriage equality The server contains personal communications from my husband and me. I did two emails otherwise I didn't want to be one of them. I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning And I think that NAFTA is proving its worth If it's not true he's gonna bark You know, you're asking me to say have I ever. I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will. So in the course of our work this is a two years 11-13 335 storylines that we worked on have been aired We've worked with 35 networks in the past four years 91 different television shows

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