05:14 You know, back in the old days, command line stuff, you know, it all just kind of worked. You have your input and you can use your wildcards and you can, you know, make it a lot easier than this freaking drag and drop. And I get into this vibe of everything command line now. And then I, you know, I'll install Pine and, uh, and then configure Pine to work with Gmail through IMAP. And then I'm like, yeah, this is actually good. You know, CAL calendar. Ooh. And it's just amazing how burdened we've become with the GUI for some very simple tasks. You're not a command line guy, I take it, never have been. I used to be. Hey, give me a break. I was during the Northstar DOS CPM era. I mean, I started this whole business in the late 70s. I mean, come on. But not Unix command line, more DOS and stuff like that? Well, I mean, right now I've become like an Ubuntu person. You're now an Ubuntu guy.
06:11 And, but, you know, I, I just, you know, the fact of the matter is times have changed and drag and drop, drag and drop, you know, seems to be, I mean, there's no real, I mean, I think it can be all minimized. I mean, yeah, once in a while you have to type something in and sometimes it's a lot more efficient. I've seen guys, you know, you know, these guys, the guys, some of the guys in the office, they immediately just jump into a command line and just type them in. But it's not that hard. In fact, there's a lot that makes it really easy with autocomplete. As a matter of fact, I used to lecture people when I gave my speeches about how, you know, older command, you know, people say, oh, I can't use that. It says you have to type stuff in. Oh yeah, like DIR, you got to type. That was so hard. Yeah. And I used to, you know, rag on the command line haters.
06:54 and but since you know I think we should bring it back I think we should start ragging on command I think we should bring back the command line love honestly see there you go that was pine just alerting me to a new email message so I have one window and I can switch between all these wonderful applications yeah it doesn't have all the the the groovy looking but even just writing a document who needs word except for the presentation layer, you know, like the fonts and the formatting, except for that. Yeah, but as a matter of fact, and this is funny, but not even formatting, John, all these tools have great formatting. I'll take your side a little bit. Thank you. Until about three years, four years, maybe three, I don't know how many years ago, just recently, considering how long I've been writing, I never ever used Word to submit
07:46 copy to editors I and ever since I began writing which has been a while I've always used use the computer to send stuff in fact when I was writing for the census examiner I instead of submitting copy I would I've talked to the IT guys and this is before you know anything and I said give me the you know before we'll call the computer remotely and then file into the system directly right and you'd have to do that with text you have to do with ASCII text that's the only way to do it and I always used an ASCII text editor to write until just a few years ago when I started using Word and it actually what's what's funny is because you usually write to length
08:24 you'd write on an ass you get used to certain like you know my text that you can see on the screen you knew it was like 700 words or 800 words or whatever you just tell then you switch over to the to word and then next thing you know you cycle and you have to keep checking the word count because you didn't know okay I get to the number you're looking for but now I use word for which is it grep minus WC for your word count yeah is not it Don't know and I don't care I Guess my point is what's really nice about what is your point? I got a point What's really nice about it? So if I want it if you're if you're using Windows or a Mac I use a Mac and you want to periodically check to see if there's a new tech 5 podcast available if it's available you want it to be
09:16 Downloaded or actually uploaded to the appropriate directory on the streaming server It has to be a newer version otherwise don't replace it replace it with the same file name all this shit when you can't you'd be that you'd be looking for Shareware programs for three days to find out a way to do that whereas on the command line, but it would even do and it's done It really gives you the power of the computer back. I guess that's it. We've lost the power to make our computer do shit. Well, you know, the thing is that the PC world, the PC side of the business has always been into that until Windows came along. And the Mac side of the world has always never been into it. Yeah, until we got OS X, which has a terminal and command line in Unix. Yeah, but how many Mac users even know what a terminal is?
10:04 No, no, no, it's I don't think I'm not I'm not saying people should learn terminal and go back But if you're really looking to do stuff with your computer beyond the applications that you can buy or are given It's beautiful. That's all this is a real operating system Yeah, and and there's real and you can pipe stuff from one command into the other and you don't have to be a programmer just kind of speak the language a little bit and Okay, you know maybe a cheat sheet would be good a No agenda cheat sheet for those who would it you know It's just a few interesting little commands that people can play with and so they get used to it or hand tonight Yes, I'm gonna do that. You seem to be into it. Yeah, but that would that looks like real work So I mind to step back we got a review I've already used the show yeah very positive review on the daily podcast reviews, huh?