# Frontier Science

> A new era begins in Ottawa as the Liberal Party sweeps to power, while Washington grapples with intelligence leaks and the fallout of the Benghazi hearings.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 767
- **Published:** 2015-10-22
- **Length:** 2h 50m
- **Topics:** Trudeau victory, Benghazi hearings, Brennan hack, Cyber hardening, Bellingcat funding, [Migration crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migration-crisis.md), [Native advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-advertising.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science

## About this episode

Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party have secured a majority victory in the Canadian federal election, ending the decade-long tenure of Stephen Harper. The new Prime Minister-designate immediately signaled a shift in foreign policy by confirming plans to withdraw Canadian fighter jets from the coalition air campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. While Trudeau campaigned on a platform of legalizing marijuana and addressing climate change, his administration faces immediate scrutiny over the controversial Anti-Terrorism Act, known as Bill C-51, and his pledge to reset relations with First Nations peoples.

In the United States, the Benghazi committee hearings featuring Hillary Clinton and the Thomas Pickering report continue to draw partisan fire. Democratic consultant James Carville attributed the investigation to the influence of the Koch brothers, while Representative Trey Gowdy defended the committee's focus on the 2012 Libya attacks. Simultaneously, a security breach involving CIA Director John Brennan and his personal AOL account has raised questions about intelligence oversight. Representative Mike McCaul, Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, explicitly blamed China for the breach during a televised interview with Wolf Blitzer, despite reports suggesting a teenage hacker was responsible.

Geopolitical tensions are rising as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces international backlash for claims regarding Adolf Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. In Europe, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made a surprise visit to Moscow to meet with Vladimir Putin, marking his first international trip since the civil war began in 2011. Amidst these shifts, the City of London is positioning itself as a hub for the Chinese renminbi, signaling a potential move away from the global dominance of the U.S. dollar as trade deals like the TPP and T-TIP loom on the horizon.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Austin Weather and Allergies (0:00–3:34)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 767 of the No Agenda show from Austin, Texas, and Northern Silicon Valley. Curry describes suffering from severe congestion and allergies, attributing a recent heavy rainfall in Austin to the use of a rain stick. The hosts discuss various home remedies for allergies, including local honey and Aleve, while noting the upcoming Benghazi hearings on C-SPAN.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [allergies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/allergies.md), [rain stick](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rain-stick.md), [mold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mold.md), aleve

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Benghazi Committee Hearing, Hillary Clinton and Thomas Pickering Report (3:35–7:29)

A preview of the Benghazi committee hearings highlights the 2012 terror attack in Libya and the subsequent political fallout for then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. A report by Ambassador Thomas Pickering cited systemic failures and leadership deficiencies regarding consulate security. The hosts criticize the repetitive nature of the hearings and the lack of focus on specific details regarding the death of the U.S. Ambassador.

Keywords: [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), thomas pickering, [trey gowdy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trey-gowdy.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/2.md)

### 3. James Carville, Trey Gowdy and Koch Brothers Influence (7:31–9:47)

Democratic consultant James Carville claims that Representative Trey Gowdy and the Benghazi committee are creations of the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch intended to damage Hillary Clinton's poll numbers. The hosts debate the partisan nature of the investigation and the sources of campaign funding for both Republicans and Democrats, including donations from Saudi Arabia.

Keywords: [james carville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-carville.md), [trey gowdy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trey-gowdy.md), [koch brothers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/koch-brothers.md), [rupert murdoch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rupert-murdoch.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [campaign donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/campaign-donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Justin Trudeau, Canadian Federal Election and Liberal Party Victory (9:48–14:36)

Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party secured a majority victory in the Canadian federal election, ending the nearly decade-long tenure of Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Trudeau, the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, campaigned on promises to legalize marijuana, address climate change, and withdraw Canadian jets from the air campaign against ISIS. Media coverage highlights Trudeau's charismatic image and his background as a teacher and snowboard instructor.

Keywords: [justin trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-trudeau.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [stephen harper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-harper.md), [liberal party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/liberal-party.md), [ottawa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ottawa.md), [marijuana legalization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana-legalization.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Tom Mulcair, New Democratic Party and Canadian Political Rhetoric (14:40–17:02)

Tom Mulcair and the New Democratic Party (NDP) shifted from early frontrunners to third place in the Canadian election. A clip of Mulcair's speech emphasizes his party's commitment to healthcare, climate change, and building relationships with First Nations, Inuit, and Métis peoples. The hosts comment on Mulcair's public speaking style and physical appearance during the campaign.

Keywords: tom mulcair, [ndp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ndp.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [first nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-nations.md), [healthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare.md), [election results](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/election-results.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Justin Trudeau, ISIS Withdrawal and Political Satire (17:02–20:36)

Justin Trudeau confirmed plans to withdraw Canadian fighter jets from the coalition fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria, signaling a shift in Canadian foreign policy. The hosts discuss Trudeau's public speaking mannerisms, specifically a perceived lisp, and compare it to the more stoic presentation of Stephen Harper. They also mention Trudeau's intention to reconsider Canada's participation in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.

Keywords: [justin trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-trudeau.md), [stephen harper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-harper.md), [isis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isis.md), [joint strike fighter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joint-strike-fighter.md), [political satire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-satire.md), [lisp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisp.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Bill C-51, Canada Patriot Act and Surveillance Concerns (20:37–24:28)

The controversial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2015, known as Bill C-51 or Canada's Patriot Act, remains a point of contention following the Liberal Party victory. While Justin Trudeau voted for the bill in Parliament, he has promised amendments to protect democratic rights and First Nations' interests. Critics argue the law is a violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and serves corporate interests.

Keywords: bill c-51, [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [justin trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-trudeau.md), [civil liberties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-liberties.md), open democracy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/7.md)

### 8. First Nations, Pierre Trudeau and Canadian Indigenous Relations (24:29–29:46)

The relationship between the Canadian government and First Nations people is examined through the lens of the 1969 White Paper introduced by Pierre Trudeau, which sought to abolish legal distinctions for indigenous peoples. Justin Trudeau has attempted to distance himself from his father's legacy by promising a "nation-to-nation" relationship. The hosts also touch on Pierre Trudeau's personal life, including his past relationships with Barbra Streisand and Margot Kidder.

Keywords: [first nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-nations.md), [pierre trudeau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pierre-trudeau.md), [benjamin netanyahu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-netanyahu.md), [indigenous rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indigenous-rights.md), white paper 1969, [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [barbara streisand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-streisand.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Theresa May, UK Counter-Extremism Strategy and Free Speech (29:47–34:03)

UK Home Secretary Theresa May introduced a new counter-extremism strategy white paper that defines extremism as vocal opposition to fundamental British values. The strategy includes powers for parents to request the cancellation of their children's passports to prevent them from joining ISIL in Syria. Critics argue the broad definitions of "hatred" and "division" represent a slippery slope for free speech and individual liberty in Great Britain.

Keywords: [theresa may](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/theresa-may.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), counter-extremism, [free speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-speech.md), [isil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isil.md), [passports](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/passports.md), [hate crimes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-crimes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Strong Cities Network, US State Department and Urban Security (34:03–39:18)

The Strong Cities Network (SCN), funded by the U.S. State Department, aims to connect local authorities in cities like Denver, Atlanta, and London to share practices for preventing violent extremism. The network facilitates workshops and training seminars to strengthen community cohesion and security. The hosts characterize the initiative as a "money grab" and a potential tool for managing political dissent at the municipal level.

Keywords: strong cities network, [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [denver](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denver.md), [rotterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rotterdam.md), [violent extremism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/violent-extremism.md), municipal government, [grants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grants.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/10.md)

### 11. John Brennan, CIA Email Hack and WikiLeaks Disclosure (39:18–43:06)

CIA Director John Brennan and Homeland Security Secretary Jay Johnson had their personal email accounts compromised by a hacker using the handle "Crackers with Attitude" (CWA). WikiLeaks subsequently published documents from Brennan's AOL account, including a draft of his security clearance form from 2008. The hacker claimed the breach was a protest against U.S. policy in Palestine, while the hosts question the timing and the lack of sensitive intelligence in the leaked files.

Keywords: [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [jay johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jay-johnson.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md), [aol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aol.md), hackers with attitude, cwa, [cyber security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Mike McCaul, OPM Hack and House Intelligence Committee (43:07–46:43)

Representative Mike McCaul, Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, is criticized for his handling of intelligence oversight and his refusal to read the Senate's CIA torture report. The hosts discuss the massive Office of Personnel Management (OPM) hack, which compromised the security clearance data of over 20 million federal employees. They suggest the Brennan email "hack" may actually be data repurposed from the original OPM breach.

Keywords: mike mccaul, [opm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opm.md), [house intelligence committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/house-intelligence-committee.md), [cia torture report](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia-torture-report.md), [cyber attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-attack.md), [security clearance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-clearance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/12.md)

### 13. China, Cyber Warfare and Mike McCaul's Blunder (46:43–52:09)

During an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Representative Mike McCaul explicitly blamed China for the OPM hack and suggested they might be behind the John Brennan email breach. McCaul initially described the Brennan hack as "disturbing" before being reminded by Blitzer that the suspect was reportedly a "stoned teenager," leading to a clumsy backpedal. The segment also covers reports of over 300 cyber and physical attacks on the U.S. power grid since 2011.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), mike mccaul, [wolf blitzer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wolf-blitzer.md), [opm hack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opm-hack.md), [cyber warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-warfare.md), [espionage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/espionage.md), [prc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Raytheon, Cyber Hardening and CISA Legislation (52:12–59:14)

Raytheon is marketing a new concept called "cyber hardening" to government and military clients to secure embedded computing systems. The hosts view this as a marketing ploy by the military-industrial complex to secure billions in funding following high-profile hacks. They also discuss upcoming cyber legislation like CISA and speculate that the Brennan hack may be used to justify new surveillance and data-sharing laws.

Keywords: [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), cyber hardening, [cisa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cisa.md), [military industrial complex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-industrial-complex.md), [cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md), [espionage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/espionage.md), mike mccaul

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Cloudflare, DDoS Attacks and Iranian Cyber Activity (59:14–1:01:39)

A host recounts a meeting with the CEO of Cloudflare regarding the mitigation of massive Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks. The discussion reveals that many political DDoS attacks, including those targeting websites in Turkey and international banks like HSBC, have been traced back to northern Iran. Cloudflare's architecture is described as a primary defense layer used by both private corporations and government agencies.

Keywords: [cloudflare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cloudflare.md), [ddos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ddos.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [hsbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hsbc.md), engine x, cyber architecture

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Executive Producer Credits, Sir Mad Hatter and 767 Club (1:01:40–1:04:56)

The hosts thank executive producers for episode 767, noting the significance of the Boeing 767 jet. Sir Mad Hatter is knighted for his contribution to the show, mentioning his new job working indirectly for people often featured in the podcast's news coverage. The hosts also acknowledge the show's artwork provided by Spades85 and the "No Agenda Art Generator" website.

Keywords: [executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producer.md), sir mad hatter, 767 club, boeing 767, [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md), [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Honeymoon Ice Cream, Swenson's and Corporate Secrets (1:05:00–1:09:06)

A donor from San Anselmo promotes "Honeymoon Ice Cream," leading to a discussion about the best ice cream flavors, such as bittersweet chocolate orange. John C. Dvorak shares an anecdote about his time as a chemist at Union Oil, regretting that he did not keep a proprietary binder of chemical tests. He jokingly advises listeners to take company secrets when leaving an employer, before issuing a disclaimer.

Keywords: honeymoon ice cream, swenson's, chocolate orange, corporate secrets, [union oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/union-oil.md), analytical chemistry

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Syrian Migration, European Heating Markets and Energy Revenue (1:09:07–1:11:34)

A listener's theory suggests that the displacement of millions of people from warm climates like Syria to cold European countries like Germany creates a massive new market for home heating. This shift could potentially generate billions in annual revenue for Russian gas exporters and energy distributors. The hosts find the economic logic interesting but suggest the geopolitical situation is more complex.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [migration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migration.md), [natural gas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/natural-gas.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [lpg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lpg.md), [energy markets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-markets.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Associate Executive Producers, Knighting and Dating Advice (1:11:39–1:15:48)

The hosts read through a list of associate executive producers and donors, including Sir Tim Nonomous and Sir Hank, Viscount of Queens. They discuss a listener's inquiry about using "No Agenda Executive Producer" as a credit on dating profiles like Match.com or Christian Mingle. The segment concludes with further banter about the ethics of taking company recipes and secrets.

Keywords: [associate executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/associate-executive-producer.md), [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [match.com](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/match-com.md), [dating](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dating.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Benjamin Netanyahu, Adolf Hitler and the Grand Mufti (1:15:49–1:20:29)

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked international condemnation by claiming that Adolf Hitler originally only wanted to expel Jews from Europe, but was persuaded to exterminate them by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Historians and survivors' advocates criticized the remarks as factually incorrect and a distortion of the Holocaust's origins. The hosts discuss the 1941 meeting between Hitler and the Mufti, noting the lack of evidence for Netanyahu's specific claims.

Keywords: [benjamin netanyahu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-netanyahu.md), [adolf hitler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adolf-hitler.md), [grand mufti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grand-mufti.md), [jerusalem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerusalem.md), [holocaust](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/holocaust.md), final solution, 1941

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Bellingcat, Google Funding and MH17 Journalism (1:20:30–1:25:31)

Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins announced that the organization received funding from Google News Lab to sustain operations and hire full-time staff. The hosts express skepticism regarding Bellingcat's independence and its reporting on the MH17 shootdown. They also criticize an NPR report by Corey Flintoff for implying that the Dutch Safety Board report concluded a Russian crew must have operated the Buk missile, a detail not explicitly stated in the official findings.

Keywords: [bellingcat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bellingcat.md), google news lab, [mh17](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mh17.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [buk missile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buk-missile.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Bashar al-Assad, Vladimir Putin and Moscow Visit (1:25:31–1:29:23)

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made a surprise visit to Moscow to meet with Vladimir Putin, marking his first known trip abroad since the Syrian civil war began in 2011. The meeting followed three weeks of Russian airstrikes in Syria. U.S. intelligence officials reportedly had no prior knowledge of the visit. Media analysis suggests Putin is using the conflict to showcase modernized Russian weaponry and reassert Russia's status as a global superpower.

Keywords: [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [moscow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moscow.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [airstrikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airstrikes.md), [richard engel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-engel.md), [diplomacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diplomacy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Victoria Nuland, Macedonia and Turkish Stream Pipeline (1:29:27–1:32:16)

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland is reportedly active in the Balkans, with the hosts speculating she is organizing a "color revolution" in Macedonia. Macedonia is a critical link for the proposed Turkish Stream pipeline, which would transport Russian gas through Turkey and Greece into Central Europe. The hosts suggest U.S. diplomatic efforts in the region are aimed at disrupting Russian energy infrastructure projects.

Keywords: [victoria nuland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria-nuland.md), [macedonia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macedonia.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [russian gas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-gas.md), [turkish stream](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkish-stream.md), [color revolution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/color-revolution.md), balkan politics

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Angela Merkel, Turkey EU Bid and Migration Crisis (1:32:17–1:37:55)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel offered to fast-track Turkey's bid for EU membership and provide three billion euros in aid to help manage the flow of refugees. The migration crisis has reached epic proportions, with thousands of people stranded at borders between Serbia and Croatia following Hungary's border closure. Public opinion in the EU, particularly in the Netherlands and Sweden, is increasingly hostile toward the influx of migrants, leading to fears of regional destabilization.

Keywords: [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [eu membership](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eu-membership.md), [migration crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/migration-crisis.md), [croatia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/croatia.md), [serbia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/serbia.md), [recep tayyip erdogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recep-tayyip-erdogan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Refugee Routes, European Maps and Geopolitical Strategy (1:37:55–1:40:34)

The hosts discuss the logistics of the migration from the Middle East to Europe, noting that refugees are often provided with maps, debit cards, and specific route instructions. They question whether the mass movement of people is being encouraged by specific geopolitical actors to weaken the European Union. The segment highlights the contrast between the humanitarian narrative and the strategic implications of the "second wave" of migration released by Turkey.

Keywords: [refugees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/refugees.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [maps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maps.md), [unhcr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unhcr.md), migration routes

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Starbucks, Fiat and EU Tax Retaliation (1:40:36–1:43:30)

The European Commission ordered the Netherlands and Luxembourg to recover up to 30 million euros each in back taxes from Starbucks and Fiat Chrysler, respectively. Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager ruled that the companies received illegal state aid through special tax arrangements. The hosts suggest these rulings represent an economic "retaliation" against U.S. corporate tax avoidance strategies like the "Dutch Reach-around."

Keywords: [starbucks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/starbucks.md), [fiat chrysler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiat-chrysler.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [luxembourg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/luxembourg.md), [margrethe vestager](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/margrethe-vestager.md), [corporate tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporate-tax.md), economic war

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Native Advertising, Politico and Vice Media (1:43:32–1:47:58)

The rise of native advertising—ads designed to look like editorial content—is discussed as a threat to traditional journalism. Politico recently hired a "native officer" to lead its branded content department, following the lead of The Washington Post and The Atlantic. The hosts argue that outlets like Vice are essentially advertising agencies disguised as news organizations, where high production budgets are used to obfuscate the promotional nature of the content.

Keywords: [native advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-advertising.md), [politico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/politico.md), [vice media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vice-media.md), [washington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-post.md), ad age, [journalism ethics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism-ethics.md), branded content

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Blockpocalypse, Ad Blockers and Media Corruption (1:48:00–1:53:21)

The "blockpocalypse"—the widespread adoption of ad-blocking software—is forcing media companies to rely almost entirely on native advertising for revenue. The hosts argue that the traditional "church and state" separation between editorial and advertising has collapsed, as even prestigious outlets like The New York Times integrate sponsored content into their main feeds. They contrast this with the No Agenda model, which is supported directly by listeners to avoid corporate influence.

Keywords: [ad blockers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ad-blockers.md), blockpocalypse, [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), display ads, church and state, [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [revenue models](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/revenue-models.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Voya Financial, CBS News and Retirement Segments (1:53:22–1:58:36)

A CBS News segment on the difficulties of retirement for parents burdened by their children's student loans is identified as a native advertisement for Voya Financial. The hosts point out how the news feature transitioned directly into a commercial for the sponsor, illustrating the blurring lines between reporting and marketing. They advise younger listeners to travel while they are young rather than waiting for a retirement that may never come.

Keywords: voya financial, [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [retirement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/retirement.md), [student loans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/student-loans.md), [anthony mason](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthony-mason.md), [native advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-advertising.md), [3x3](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/3x3.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/29.md)

### 30. United Federation of Planets, Jingle Rationale and Post-Mortem (1:58:37–2:02:26)

A donor using "United Federation of Planets" letterhead asks why the "We Told You So" jingle was retired. The hosts explain that their "post-mortem" meetings revealed the jingle was perceived as arrogant and annoying to the audience, potentially discouraging donations. They emphasize that the show's structure and jingle selection are carefully considered to maintain a positive relationship with the "producers" who fund the show.

Keywords: [united federation of planets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-federation-of-planets.md), [jingles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jingles.md), braggadocio, [post-mortem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/post-mortem.md), [listener feedback](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/listener-feedback.md), donation strategy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Fethullah Gulen, CIA Ties and Killer Ed Documentary (2:02:29–2:04:12)

A listener shares an anecdote about being mistaken for a CIA agent in Turkey after asking locals about Fethullah Gulen. The hosts discuss the Gulen movement's alleged ties to the CIA and promote Mark Hall's documentary "Killer Ed," which investigates the movement's influence. A special screening of the film is mentioned as taking place in Austin.

Keywords: [fethullah gulen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fethullah-gulen.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [mark hall](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-hall.md), killer ed, [documentary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/documentary.md), [gulen movement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gulen-movement.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Global Donations, Ruble Value and Battle Born Knight (2:04:14–2:11:11)

The hosts read a diverse list of donations from Bangalore, St. Petersburg, Zurich, and Slovenia. They note the declining value of the Russian ruble and acknowledge several "Mile High" donors. A listener from Reno, Nevada, is dubbed the "Battle Born Knight" after completing a long-term payment plan for his knighthood. The segment concludes with a final thank you to Boeing and the 767-level supporters.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [ruble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ruble.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [slovenia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slovenia.md), [reno](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reno.md), [nevada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nevada.md), [mile high club](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mile-high-club.md), [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Knighting Ceremony, Millennials and Vice Media Skepticism (2:11:12–2:14:24)

During the knighting ceremony for Sir Joe Blazek and others, the hosts return to the topic of native advertising and its impact on millennials. They challenge the notion that younger generations are "immune" to advertising, arguing instead that they are the primary targets for sophisticated branded content from outlets like Vice. The hosts suggest that Vice's large production budgets are proof of its role as a high-end advertising platform.

Keywords: [knighting ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting-ceremony.md), [millennials](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/millennials.md), [vice media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vice-media.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [skepticism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skepticism.md), generation gap

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Jim Webb, Independent Candidacy and 2016 Election (2:14:24–2:17:50)

Jim Webb announced his withdrawal from the Democratic primary, citing a lack of compatibility with the party's power structure. Webb hinted at a potential run as an independent candidate, leading the hosts to speculate on the possibility of independent debates involving figures like Gary Johnson. They discuss the obstacles third-party candidates face from the established two-party system and its financial backers.

Keywords: jim webb, [democratic party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democratic-party.md), [independent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/independent.md), [gary johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gary-johnson.md), [2016 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2016-election.md), [super pacs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-pacs.md), [debates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debates.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Michael Chertoff, George W. Bush and 9/11 Defense (2:17:50–2:21:51)

Former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff defended George W. Bush's record on national security during an interview with Wolf Blitzer. Chertoff listed the creation of tougher travel barriers, expanded intelligence capabilities, and the invasion of Afghanistan as key successes. The hosts criticize Chertoff's defense, characterizing the measures as an assault on civil liberties and a expansion of the surveillance state.

Keywords: [michael chertoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-chertoff.md), [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Donald Trump, 2000 Book and 9/11 Predictions (2:21:51–2:24:18)

Media outlets like BuzzFeed and "Morning Joe" highlighted a passage from Donald Trump's 2000 book, "The America We Deserve," in which he warned of a major terrorist attack and mentioned Osama bin Laden by name. Trump's prediction, written 19 months before 9/11, compared potential future attacks to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The hosts discuss how this "Nostra-Trumpus" moment is shifting media perceptions of Trump's foreign policy instincts.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [osama bin laden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osama-bin-laden.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), the america we deserve, [buzzfeed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzfeed.md), [morning joe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morning-joe.md), 1993 world trade center

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Joy Behar, The View and Trump's Rising Popularity (2:24:20–2:28:35)

In a surprising shift, Joy Behar of "The View" expressed a growing appreciation for Donald Trump, noting his past opposition to the Iraq war and his support for certain social safety nets. Recent ABC News/Washington Post polling shows that 42% of Republicans expect Trump to be the nominee, and 43% believe he has the best chance of winning the general election. The hosts analyze how mainstream media figures are beginning to "warm up" to Trump as his frontrunner status persists.

Keywords: [joy behar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-behar.md), [the view](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-view.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [bernie sanders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-sanders.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [polling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/polling.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Donald Trump, Ground Game and Organized Crime Allegations (2:28:35–2:35:33)

Donald Trump's campaign is building a sophisticated "ground game" in early primary states like Iowa, focusing on turning fans into committed caucus-goers. The hosts discuss long-standing but rarely mentioned allegations of Trump's ties to organized crime in the New York construction industry. They compare Trump's current trajectory to Ronald Reagan's 1976 campaign, suggesting the establishment may attempt to derail him at the last moment.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), ground game, [iowa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iowa.md), [organized crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/organized-crime.md), [mob](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mob.md), [ronald reagan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ronald-reagan.md), 1976 election

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Jacky Sutton, Istanbul Airport Death and David Cameron (2:35:35–2:37:39)

The mysterious death of British journalist Jacky Sutton at Istanbul's Ataturk Airport is under scrutiny after Turkish authorities labeled it a suicide. Sutton, a former BBC journalist, was found in a bathroom after reportedly missing her flight, despite having significant cash on her person. The hosts also briefly mention the "Piggate" allegations involving David Cameron and Lord Ashcroft's subsequent health issues during his book launch.

Keywords: jacky sutton, [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [istanbul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/istanbul.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [suicide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suicide.md), [david cameron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-cameron.md), lord ashcroft

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Pope Francis, Brain Tumor Rumors and Vatican Denials (2:37:40–2:39:19)

The Vatican issued a strong denial following a report in an Italian newspaper claiming Pope Francis has a benign brain tumor. Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi called the story "reprehensible" and denied that a Japanese medical team had secretly visited the Pope. The hosts interpret the rumor as a "warning shot" against the Pope's recent political and environmental stances.

Keywords: [pope francis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pope-francis.md), [vatican](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vatican.md), [brain tumor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brain-tumor.md), federico lombardi, quotidiano nazionale, [japan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/japan.md), [health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Ebola Relapse, Pauline Cafferkey and West Africa Troops (2:39:19–2:41:36)

The relapse of British nurse Pauline Cafferkey ten months after her recovery from Ebola has led to concerns about the virus "hiding" in survivors. Reports from Sierra Leone suggest other survivors have faced mysterious health complications or death after leaving clinics. The hosts express skepticism about the narrative and the continued presence of thousands of U.S. troops in West Africa.

Keywords: [ebola](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ebola.md), pauline cafferkey, [sierra leone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sierra-leone.md), [west africa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/west-africa.md), relapse, frontier science, troops

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/41.md)

### 42. City of London, Chinese Currency and President Xi Visit (2:41:37–2:46:49)

During a state visit to the UK, Chinese President Xi Jinping attended a banquet in the City of London, a separate city-state within the UK capital. The visit focused on establishing London as a leading offshore center for trading the Chinese currency, the renminbi. The hosts discuss the "shadow government" nature of the City of London and suggest that global financiers are looking for alternatives to the U.S. dollar.

Keywords: [city of london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/city-of-london.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [president xi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/president-xi.md), [renminbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/renminbi.md), guildhall, financial center, [currency trading](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/currency-trading.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/42.md)

### 43. TPP, T-TIP and the Future of the US Dollar (2:46:50–2:50:53)

The hosts conclude the show by discussing major trade deals like the TPP and T-TIP, which they believe are intended to sustain the U.S. dollar's dominance as it moves away from being backed by oil. Despite the instability of European banks, they argue that America remains the primary global power. The episode ends with a final sign-off and a reminder of the upcoming Sunday show.

Keywords: [tpp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tpp.md), [t-tip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/t-tip.md), [us dollar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/us-dollar.md), [global economy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-economy.md), [trade deals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deals.md), powerhouse, [sign-off](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sign-off.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/767-frontier-science/chapter/43.md)

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