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00:03 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Coming to you from both sides of Gitmo Nation, this is no agenda for Sunday, February 22nd, 2009. This is no agenda. From Gitmo Nation East in Southwest London, safe and secure in the Crackpot Command Center, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Dvorak. Oh, pfft, give me a little more than that. Well, that's it. But aren't you, don't you have a location? I am in Northern Silicon Valley in the Gitmo Nation. You're supposed to fill it up man, you gotta give me a rehearsal on this crazy thing

00:47 I still still sounds like I don't know where is this is this the queue I don't know let me just throw something in. After I say I'm Adam Curry then you're supposed to say from northern California. Yeah I got that part I mean I hit it but I didn't hit you know whatever okay well I get it right let's do it you wanna do it again? No no no I'm good I'm good I'm good we'll do better next week it'll be a surprise and we'll have to change it a little bit every single time. So you are in the absolute northwestern corner of Gitmo Nation today. Yeah, this is northern, northern Gitmo Nation, Silicon Valley. This is actually Silicon Valley, northeast Microsoft country. Oh, that's true. It is Microsoft country, yeah. Up in the Dvorak compound. Exactly. Well, John. So what's been happening with you? We're just up here freezing to death.

01:42 Not much going on. We had beautiful, absolutely stunning weather yesterday here and on the continent and my aircraft is due for its annual in March so I decided to fly it over to Antwerp. It was great. I hadn't flown in four months so it was really fun. What's in Antwerp? Oh, Antwerp is where my flight instructor and mechanic has his hangar. Did you leave the plane behind? Yeah, well so what you do is I fly over and then pick up either my instructor slash mechanic and he'll fly back or if he's busy then he'll have some other pilot and then they'll fly back with me and then I'll be back in the UK then he takes the plane back.

02:26 And you did that? Yeah, yeah. So I flew back and forth. It was beautiful. 5500 feet all the way. It was just fantastic. It was really, really nice. I don't pre-announce anymore when I'm going flying for some obvious reasons. Well, you're a paranoid freak. So, uh... And I love you too, honey. But, uh, the, uh, you still have to file flight plans. It wouldn't take that much to, um, figure out what's going on if somebody wanted to, um, damage you. Yeah, if you want to zap me out of the sky, but, you know, it gives a little less preparation time for some actual, uh, sabotage.

03:06 So if you're if you're flying at 5,500 feet which is a really low, you know relatively low altitude Are your is your plane have? It has plastic windows I'm sure but are they clear enough to take photos out of is it a good plane to take pictures from it's actually an excellent plane to take pictures out of because it's a high wing so All all the windows all around you have complete clear view down to the ground. It's a fantastic plane for that. Yeah, I Is it a cloudy old, you know, kind of... Scratched up? ...oxidized window with some graffiti scratched in it? Is that what it's like? No, in fact it's not. No, it's a nice aircraft, John, and it has great windows, and we can even, if you want, I can even take a door off, and you can just sit there and take pictures, and we can fly around, because again, it's a high wing, you can tilt it so you can have a continuous tilt angle. It's perfect for that stuff.

04:03 Okay, but if you really want to take good pictures a guy I know at the airport has I think a Seneca twin Seneca with a hole in the back and a whole mount system so you can just literally you know either kneel or sit or crouch or lay down if you want and stick your lens out through the hole in the bottom and Which is the best way to do it. They do it professionally, aerial photography. That's awesome. Yeah, I'd love to do that. There's another guy there who does imaging. They do super high resolution imaging of high voltage wires. But I'm talking super resolution.

04:40 Yeah, and they get every single point of this all these data points and essentially see a wireframe of What's on the ground of these high-tension wires, but it's it's all geo mapping. It's pretty cool stuff Hmm got good toys out there good toys. Yeah, I'd like to do that because I've you taking a lot I've taken a lot of aerial shots now and again, but I'm not really set up You know not in a plane. That's actually set up for it hmm Well, so no man that headset, and it's I'm trying to adjust it I mean is it would it would it would it be hard to get a duplicate setup in Seattle? I mean you're gonna wind up living there eventually full-time anyway. You might as well set up the studio properly Yeah, I know I'm gonna do that. Okay. Good the problem is today with one of the problems today is that the this machine had a couple of those Seagate drives and

05:35 Yeah, that blew up and so the machine had to be rebuilt and one of the the sound port is shot for some reason and Needs new drivers or something so I'm stood so the machines not ready ready for to be thrown up So I can't yeah, well you sound significantly shittier than normal. Yeah, well I'm ready normally I'm running through a $400 mic and a compressor and a real gear this is going through a $25 thing noticeably so Yeah. So a couple of big stories that we didn't talk about on Thursday, which are, you know, because we did focus a lot on US politics and Obama, and I think we feel we've neglected some other parts of the world, although this does tie into the States as well. A big story that is, there's now action being undertaken online, which I consider to be completely senseless. This blackout for New Zealand. Have you been following that?

06:32 Yeah, apparently the New Zealanders have they're gonna put some law in place. That's a censorship thing of some sort and So to protest this the meaningless use of black icons on Twitter among other apparently you're supposed to do it everywhere It's been encouraged This reminds me, if you remember some years ago when you said of the black websites. Yeah, oh this has happened many times in the past 20-25 years. It accomplishes nothing. Yeah, it makes it hard to read. Right with the black websites, but these little black icons I I somebody said you're gonna put a black icon up and I answer but no I'll write a column you think that's maybe a better idea Exactly. Oh, thank you. Thank you. This is this is this is a part of this new activism, you know, it's like we feel so Satisfied if we've done something. Hey man, at least I did something. No, I made my icon black That'll really change the world

07:39 It's the online equivalent of an armband. Yeah, that's you're right, a black armband. We used to have those a lot too back in the 70s. That was kind of a regular occurrence. Right, that morphed into yellow ribbons. and around the old, starting with the old oak trees, so you'd have these ribbons around trees. Right, right. And then the little dinky, the mini ribbon showed up on the, as a pin, a lapel pin. Right, yep. And then that morphed into AIDS. Then of course we got the AIDS ribbon, yep, yep. That morphed into the AIDS ribbon. And then that morphed into

08:22 the cheap rubber band bracelets. The bracelets, right, which of course contain RFID tracking units. Were they that expensive? And then that started with the yellow one, of course yellow seems to be operative. Maybe we should have yellow icons instead of black. That would have made more sense in the fractal, but let's let's just let's just take a tally here Have we stopped AIDS have we stopped war have we stopped? homelessness That's another good one. No of course not I agree John. Please write a great column Yeah, writing and bitching and make a public scene is more interesting than passive Activity like black icons. I mean it's nice. I guess it's you know shows solidarity so what?

09:19 Anyway, so what's in the news? What's in the news? Oh man, there's so much in the news. Well actually, I was just going to tack on to that and say that it's kind of amazing because with every day I see how the internet is actually functioning in fantastic ways and how the established elite totally underestimate the power of the internet and you couldn't see this happening now with Obama. He's even a part of it with this whole calling out thing of mayors and governors. I'm gonna call you out! is the internet is basically one big calling out machine so when you use the internet and you promise a whole bunch of things particularly when you promise internet related stuff like I'll be twittering which of course stopped I think the last time he tweeted Obama twittered was

10:09 After he got elected is that right maybe even his people aren't twittering for him because he was never really twittering What is he is he the real Obama? Barack Obama isn't it I think so yeah, I follow him and I haven't seen anything so let me just see what What pops up here in my tweet deck? here at Barack Obama Let's see what the last post was No, no, the last post was January 19th. There you go. I'm looking at it now. Asking you to honor Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. So that's a while ago. Now if you do Joe Biden, it's even funnier. Joe Biden literally hasn't Twitted in a year or his people have. Well Joe Biden doesn't even know what Twitter is. Well I'll tell you, you know, I actually pulled a soundbite. Robert Gibbs, who is the press secretary,

11:11 Started off and I watch these religiously because it's just great entertainment people. Please go to C-SPAN C-SPAN.org it's the entertainment is there ready for you and listen to how we started off the The Friday morning press Briefing is what it's called press briefing. It has been amusing this week to read the many press releases and Twitter comments on those that found the stimulus on C-SPAN during the vote. Interesting, huh? Hmm. So they're listening. Yeah, they're monitoring Twitter obviously for some reason. Well, hopefully for the same reason I'm monitoring Twitter. This is how you find out what people are interested in. Well, at least a

12:05 sub-segment. I mean, let's be real here. I mean, the average Twitter user is not the average American. Yeah. And we're actually up here in Port Angeles. We have, this is where the average American is. It's one of the great test markets, one of the good reasons to be here. It's one of the great test markets of, um, of the United States. In fact, the Pacific Northwest is generally, this is a test market. Seattle is notoriously used by Hollywood as a test market for films. The films are successful in Seattle, they should be in testing. They should be successful throughout the country. But this area here, although I've run into areas that are also the same within the Midwest, I've seen these towns. You can spot them a mile away because they test weird stuff. You'll find like here they had a McDonald's that had

12:52 For a while they had a self-service counter for adding stuff to the hamburger. So you could buy like a 99 cent cheeseburger and you could load it up with tomatoes and lettuce and you could make it into whatever you wanted. That kind of thing. Of course, that got swapped out for something, another test. And so it's an interesting place and I can assure you that the number of Twitter users up here is about eight. But they all follow you. I'm sure they do. I mean a couple of them I know they do because they're always talking about, I went to the deli today. They keep tabs on that. You bring up an interesting point and this was accentuated even more. We've been emailing back and forth over the past couple of days about the New York Post cartoon

13:40 racism, controversy. And I think I even said, oh wow man, I don't know if we want to talk about this because it's such a loaded topic. But all of a sudden it dawned on me that, and it's really sad to have to realize this, that the people do not understand who makes up the law and who makes things happen. Because when you look at a cartoon and you associate the chimpanzee being shot with Obama and consider that racist, that means that deep inside of you, you really believe that Obama wrote the stimulus package, which of course he did not. This is what your government does, what Congress and the Senate does. And they are of course the chimps who should have been shot dead.

14:34 and just to see the protest and people in their own mind justly outraged because they really make that association proves that people have, because when I saw it I'm like, yeah that's kind of funny, yeah of course, and when I see the dead Chimpanzee, I'm thinking yeah like some shitty-ass lawyer who's been writing this thing for three months while they were preparing for it You know and all these other dipshits copying stuff. I mean, I just have a whole different vision I don't see Obama writing the stimulus package at all But there's a couple interesting things about this monkey cartoon one of course it had it was a call back to the the killing of a chimp by the police

15:16 that was apparently the chimp was attacking somebody. It was a pet chimp. And so they shot it dead. And so that was the callback. Although to make the callback work as a cartoon, I think, I looked at this cartoon a couple of times and I was thinking, you know, if they didn't want to do anything, but if it was just a standalone without the callback to the dead chimp, They would have just had a bozo the clown with two bullets in him right has been the same same gag basically right but to make but to make this gag work better or to have made it work better the Chimp should have had a diaper on him because the chimp that was shot dead had a diaper So the cartoon has made a blunder there did so it's kind of ruined the callback now The other thing is in fact Eric pointed this out. He says we he says this is ridiculous distraction

16:06 There's all this controversy going on about the stimulus package and some other stuff, and now it's about the cartoon, like the Danish Muslim cartoons. Everybody's all up in arms about it, and now it's just another example of somebody coming along, obviously he's been listening to our show long enough to start. coming up with this kind of thinking. He's come over to the dark side. Which is that this is just a, maybe it was even put in there on purpose. Well thank you because you know who owns the New York Post right? Yeah Murdoch. and uh... so i mean put on purpose and that it definitely takes heat off of the uh... the the real political discussion about the the stimulus package of the bailout of the bankers and all these other things we should be talking about rather than talking about any idea i cartoon and so gregory mohammed one of our listeners who is uh... always provide me with some cool stuff he sends me the update from john legend page which is an open letter to the new york post let john legend of course being a

17:07 another musician You know has to get involved You know which musicians would just you know they're is this the John which John legend is this who is the guy plays the piano? And he's really you know he became a he's like a lounge act as extremely popular and just aiming at a period You know, about a year or two ago, and he's like huge. Anyway, it goes on and on with this long... I'm not going to read the whole thing. It goes on forever. He just goes... but it's just like scathing. You should print an apology in your... acknowledge that the cartoon was ignorant, offensive, and racist. It should not have been printed. I'm aware it could be racist and violence. Violence and violence. And I truly believe we're better than this filth.

17:53 as we attempt to rise above our difficult past and look toward a better future we don't need the New York Post to resurrect the images of Jim Crow. Yeah, but this is offensive because it had, if anything, the New York Post should apologize for it just not being all that great. You know, it was a stretch, it wasn't well executed, but I don't believe it was meant as a racist cartoon. Well, it probably wasn't. I mean, why would it be? I mean, you wouldn't run a cartoon like that. No, that's crazy, of course. Right. It's stupid. But you're going to start to see this kind of response to just about anything, especially as what's going to happen, because I don't think Obama's going to, you know, and he's so far, he's put lobbyists in all these things that he was going to do for change and hope. He hasn't done any of it.

18:42 You know, because he's so preoccupied with this bill. He's got to load up his cabinet and there's nobody to pick from. He won't bring the professors in like we were expecting. He weren't bringing the non-Washington insiders. He didn't have, I don't know why, but you know, you got Rahm Emanuel who's like a politician, so they're only going to put their own buddies in. And so we haven't seen anything. He's got lobbyists in, he hasn't done this, he hasn't let these bills sit so the public can comment on them. So as this goes on, because there's a couple of websites that are keeping track of all this, you know, 450 promises, that as this goes on and people start to get, you know, they start to turn and a lot of people who were big Obama supporters have already, you know, the, especially these carping liberals who don't like anything anyway, once they start to turn on him and be critical, it's going to be real interesting to see the reaction to it because it's going to be like, you know, anything,

19:33 Everything is going to be seen as offensive and racist and that's the only reason it's because you're a racist. It's going to be exactly the same as Windows Mac fanboys. That's what it's going to be. That would be bad. That would be very bad, but that seems to be the human psyche. And again, it just flabbergasts me that people... If you see this cartoon as racist, then you don't understand how it works. You don't understand what the president does and what Congress does and what the Senate does. Are people not being educated? Well, hello? There's that for sure and everybody still thinks the president does everything. The economy caved. I mean, the Congress is the purse holder of the purse strings. They're the ones who do the budget. They're supposed to be, but of course they're not entirely anymore because they don't really control the money.

20:30 Well, you're taking it one step further and saying that the Fed is really... But the Fed is pretty much... If Congress tells the Fed to print more money, they're not going to say no. No, no, no. When the Fed wants to print more money, they don't ask Congress anymore. That's the problem. Maybe we'll get I'm sure somebody will come in and tell us that that's not necessarily true I think they have that they have to have some sort of permission. I'm not sure You know what since this is gonna happen anyway, John Let's just run down a few more things that are not change a couple things from this week number one, right?

21:12 Obama administration's from AP is trying to kill the email case. This was the case that is ongoing from the previous administration trying to recover the millions of missing White House emails. Apparently the Obama administration is doing its best to block this investigation and there's an AP story which I presume to be true. So I'd say that kind of goes against the transparency thing. Yeah, no the transparency thing I haven't seen any evidence of that. Well I've been looking at recovery.org waiting for... You know I still have yet to go to that site. Oh you should, I'm sorry, .gov not .org. Yeah I mean yeah. So here's the thing, they have a, you should go to it now Matt, so they have a timeline and this is what I like about it. It tells you on February 19th 2009 federal agencies to begin reporting their formula block grant awards. So okay, so and they have to report and there's this whole big

22:14 You know, PDF file you can read about the directives handed out by ORZAG, of course the guy we talked about on the last show. But they don't actually report until May the 3rd federal agencies to make performance plans publicly available and federal agencies to begin reporting on their allocations for entitlement programs. So we're going to go through almost three months of work that will not be posted. Yeah. Well, that's lame. If the federal agencies are reporting as of three days ago, how come we don't see that? You're asking the wrong... By the way, this recovery.org, I'm looking at it and it's really... Dot gov, dot gov, dot gov. I mean, I got it. Dot gov.

23:04 and it's got, you know, they got I guess another movie of Obama, but the still frame, the still frame. I saw it's funny, isn't it? Yeah, it's not a very flattering. No, and I guess they probably couldn't figure out how to like change the frame. So, you know, at least maybe you should be smiling or something. It just looks, it looks like a Big Brother image. This would be a good, actually I'm going to capture this and then Photoshop it because this is a great picture to use if you want to have a, you know, for big brothers watching you. By the way, I wanted to mention something because you mentioned Orzag before we go off topic. Good, because I know I have something about Orzag. Go ahead. Okay, so you told me about Orzag and check out his bio. So I went and found his bio. I guess it's like how he got the job.

23:46 So I'm dying because it's got it's like his you know, it's got his basic bona fides But it has essentially a documentation of every little article and scrap of paper He's ever written. It's like, you know the thoughts on this is you know, what is it the attribution scrap of paper and uh... you know found in garbage it this is a good night for for for for the story dot is nancy drew novel series it's not only is like a diary it's just like if i had you know if i put my but i have been together and i and i wrote that every thing that i had ever published which is essentially what he's done

24:25 over a long period of time, including just short letters to the editor. I mean, it would be a book. So I guess what he did, which is an interesting idea for anybody that wants to get a job in this particular administration, You know, over document everything you've ever done. So it's this huge tome of, you know, what you did in high school, you know, the fact that you are that, you know, the, of the cheerleaders, you know, the boosters, uh, you know, you were in the PTA, you know, every little, thing and then you drop this on them as a big thunk, they probably, oh this is great. Oh that's impressive, oh yes we need to hire him. You're in. It was just an eye roller.

25:09 Well, so I'm reading through some of these documents because Orzag is also responsible for the entire, not just the $75 billion housing thingamajig, but also for the almost $800 billion stimulus package. So I'm reading through some of the documents. Before you do that, remind people who Orzag is in the past, because I think a new listener may not know what we're talking about. The only thing I remember of course was the funny bit that he... Right, that's all we need to know. Orzac is the head of the budget. He's the guy that doles out the money, essentially. He has oversight over all this money and one of his previous gigs

25:55 was as a consultant to the Central Bank of Iceland, which is the whole country is now bankrupt. So, you know, of all the things to put on that enormously long CV, which I think I have it in the show notes for this week, maybe it was there last week, but I'm trying to put as much in as possible now, all these links. So I'm searching around and I see his directive which is very detailed on the transparency directive on the reporting and it's very detailed John. It goes into the spreadsheet how many characters can be in each cell, what each cell is supposed to contain. I mean it's a real government document and you feel good about that. And along with these documents I find there was a question from Charles Grassley who is

26:42 He's a senator for... I don't remember right now. So he's asking some tough questions in this document about accounting and it's being answered by Orszag. And copied on this note, on this correspondence, is counsel to the president Gregory B. Craig. Have you heard of this gentleman? No. Well, let me tell you. So he's the Obama's lawyer? Yes, he is Obama's lawyer. I'm reading from Wikipedia, which of course is highly unreliable but usually a good starting point, past clients. Craig has represented numerous high-profile clients. In 1981, he represented John Hinckley Jr., who tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan. He represented Senator Ted Kennedy during the 1991 rape trial of William Kennedy Smith.

27:40 He represented the Cuban father of Elian Gonzalez during the 2000 child custody dispute with US Marshals. You all remember that one. Craig represented United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan during the Volcker Commission's investigation into the scandals involving the Oil for Food program. This is unbelievable. This guy, he represents hoods. The wrong side of hoods. The hoods, man. But of course he was a personal, he also represented Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky trials. It's just unbelievable. And this is the president's lawyer, counsel to the president. Why would he pick this? Well, obviously, well, because they will. Hello. Hey, Ted Kennedy, not in jail. Kofi Annan still at the UN. I mean, it sounds that was Kofi Annan. Didn't his son steal millions of dollars? It was a complete, complete fiasco. It was just corrupt. It was just the worst thing ever. Oh, Craig earlier represented the Panamanian government.

28:36 during the trial of Manuel Noriega just goes on and on and on. Wow. It just goes on. So, I'm just like, wow, that's unreal! You'd think just for image sake alone you wouldn't have that guy. Well, it's under the radar. Yeah, well, I guess except for our thousands of... Let me see if it even says it in his wiki entry. Washington-based lawyer, current White House counsel to President Barack Obama. It says it right at the top. And John Hinckley Jr., of course, was acquitted of the assassination on Ronald Reagan. Yeah, but wasn't he locked up? He's also been a foreign policy advisor to Edward Kennedy and Madeleine Albright when she was Secretary of State. It's just... Yeah, it's a good laundry list. Well, Obama's not going to get himself in any legal trouble. No, not with those guys on his team. Something I did realize, which I just caught a

29:41 Actually a Twitter about. Someone was bitching, you know, now that I'm using TweetDeck, I'll just put in Gordon Brown, Obama, and it's great because you really see what a small segment of the universe, admittedly, but now we've got celebrities coming onto this thing. You gotta figure that, you know, lots of people are gonna come in and it's kind of like blogging. I can see it. It's blogging on your cell phone. I mean, that's not the way I use it, but I can see why people would gravitate toward that. And so you get a lot of interesting comments, you know, not just from your Twitter sphere, And a good post in Boston.com, there's a lot of criticism that in the $787 billion stimulus bill, there's not a single dollar for Katrina victims. Not a single dollar. Which would seem like an obvious place to put some money into. Hmm. Yeah, it is interesting. You're really doing a lot of work on this show, by the way.

30:38 Well, yeah, I am. Thank you. Yes, but it's important back off a little if you know what I'm saying. What are you talking about? What are you talking about the Vorek? I'm just saying, you know, it's good for you. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Well, remember, we talked about I think it's part of our formula, which really doesn't have an agenda except for bringing out... I guess we do have an agenda to expose corruption or just bad government, essentially. It's to lift the veil of the matrix, John.

31:16 So I think one of their formula or what's evolving in the evolving formula is this highlighting one new guy. One guy per show. One guy to go look at. Yeah, one guy you'll look at because I'm sure this is look they have enough people in that office now I'm sure that we could do one guy You know twice a week and do different guy And then we always do callbacks to the various guys because I think it's gonna be a gold mine This is like gold gold. It's total gold everybody Okay, well hit on that we need a we didn't okay. Well so the new guy we need a gold jingle oh

31:57 Gold hit yeah, oh, it's got to have a name. It's got to be like an item name You know it's gonna be like yeah, yeah bad guy of the day Yeah, something like that, but you know it's a sting it's a stinger okay. It's an acapella sting bad guy of the day, okay So on Thursday when we were actually doing this show is when I think currently still the number one video on YouTube when on CNBC Rick Santelli just Yeah, started yelling screaming which was fantastic of course to see it was it was I mean look I'm a guy who loves making television and

32:38 And boy, that was some good-ass television. And this Santelli, he's running with it. He is so smart. He's like on every talk show. And he's like, oh, I apologize. I shouldn't have said losers, but I'm really angry. And very much a mad as hell, I'm not going to take any longer type of vibe. Yeah. Did you read my Market Watch column on this? No, I'm sorry. I didn't. What did it say? I attacked the whole... Well, it wasn't about this, but it was in there. I attacked the Santelli for this particular... uh... outburst in the end of my rationale is pretty straightforward go for it We have over the last 12 or 15 years, both through the end of the Reagan administration, definitely throughout Clinton's administration, Clinton pulled the plug on all these laws that were put in place after the depression, which have resulted in essentially banks being able to do what they did and then of course go broke. I have most of these things on a list I'll put up. But the consumer protection laws have all been gutted.

33:41 We can you know they have usury ridiculous interest rates you have these places that you know take your paycheck payday or pay cash you know whatever pay and it gets you get your money in advance places. You're right your taxes your refund tax your tax refund. No that no there's these places all over the country where you can take your pay stub in because you say your paychecks coming in two days but you want some money now you can go and they'll give you the money in advance to the two days. and Public Utilities Commissions don't exist anymore. So the phone companies that were all busted up, well we don't need them anymore. And then they all reform like that liquid guy on the Terminator 2 or Terminator 3. They just form back as AT&T again. What happened there? How did that happen? So now you can get a phone bill with a bunch of weird charges and you can't do anything about it because there's nobody you can bitch to. You can't say to the PUC that you're getting ripped off.

34:47 And you can't say the phone company that I'm not paying it because then they'll cut you off you have no place to go well Don't worry about it Because the free market is what the absolutists say the free market will take care of it the free market doesn't take care of stuff for Individuals you know if you're like one person fighting AT&T the free market doesn't do you any good you do need these protective bodies And you need consumer protection laws, which are all gone. So the consumer protection laws are gone. And these poor saps, these people who got in and over their head on these mortgages, these people who were sold the bill of goods by salesmen, that then there was no protection for them, may have expected there'd be some protection, but no, they were walked down the primrose path. They're not like Santorini, right? They're not like- Santelli.

35:31 Santelli they're not like Santelli they're not like those guys on the trading floor cheering because they're not professional investors of the public there's some people out there they don't know anything like that they're gonna get ripped off or they're gonna be put in a binder they're gonna get screwed over by the system so why are you jumping on them why is it their fault all of a sudden why should they be condemned and essentially called idiots when the entire system doesn't Support the public anymore. This is just an attack on the middle class. I think that that scene on CNBC was abhorrent I think it was disgusting I think he should have apologized profusely and the fact that he's taking advantage of the situation He's gonna have a meeting with Obama is is Unbelievable to me. It's sick. Let's let's have a quick listen to press secretary Robert Gibbs

36:18 Uh, the same, uh, briefing on Friday, uh, where he addresses Sant-Santelli specifically, which I found highly unusual. It won't bail out... Hold on, let me see that, let me find it, hold on. ...bad loan, and it is not gonna help a person's home from being foreclosed. I... The money that's invested in... Ah, crap, hold on. ...with a mortgage payment, here, one that's been foreclosed... Shit. ...reading... Well, you're cussing a lot over the phone. Yeah, I'm pissed off because I had it queued up. ...to read the President's plan. and understand that it will help... Back up a little bit, here we go. I would encourage him to read the President's plan and understand that it will help millions of people, many of whom he knows. I'd be more than happy to have him come here and read it. I'd be happy to buy him a cup of coffee. Decaf. Chuck. I want to... You sort of follow up on the criticism that...

37:23 What's even crazier, John, is now that he's responding to that. This is another distraction. It's a total distraction. Let me... I thought I had it... Well, he was on Kudlow's show, and he's like, yeah, of course I'm gonna go to the White House. There's a lot to your rant there, John. I must confess. There's a lot to your rant. If anything, it's... Well, even the fact that the press secretary is responding to it, you know, and saying, oh, he should go to his computer, look at it, print it out. That almost reeks of a setup, doesn't it?

38:05 Oh absolutely. A distraction setup. Of course GE is a subsidiary or CNBC is a subsidiary of NBC which is owned by General Electric and the CEO of General Electric is on the president's economic advisory board. So that's three hops you know that's better than the Kevin Bacon game. Right. Hey, maybe we should change it to the Obama game. If you can be connected to Obama. Ooh, I like it. Within six separations from Obama. Not bad, huh? We could do that. I bet you anybody is... I tell you, show business for ugly people and now they're getting beautiful. Damn. Anyway, that's a good rant. My column in Market Watch discusses this. It's running right now.

38:50 So the distraction of course, what it's distracting from is a number of things including, well right after the stimulus package, 17,000 more troops going to Afghanistan. Pakistan is out of control, dude. Oh yeah, Pakistan is a nightmare. This was a foregone conclusion years ago. Actually I think everybody knew this was coming. Who's running the place now that Musharraf is out? Is anyone running the place? Or just the Taliban? No, the Taliban's only got that one area. I thought they were now in the north, like they have this whole enclave. Yeah, they gave them it. They gave them the area. Pakistan gave it to them? Yeah, basically gave... well, you know, the Taliban came from Pakistan to begin with.

39:41 You know the Pakistanis, you know they switched there was a really good I got it I have this really good article about the history of this there you know the the Pakistanis went into the wahhabi camp of of extreme fundamentalism Muslim is Muslim ism or Sorry Islam Islam. Yeah, or it yeah Islam and and I think and I don't have the exact date, but I think it was in the 70s or some or later and Not sure but anyway. They that there's a real good paper that documents that this history and it's really part of the real world wide problem and nobody's done anything to reverse the this essentially change in in philosophy of the the poorest

40:33 of the Muslim Muslims in Pakistan. Obviously, I'm You're floundering yeah, yeah floundering, but if I had this people just pay because one of those things you know there's something sometimes you run into you find a document that's like outlines a history of some sort and it's so dense and and and obviously hits everything it hits all the right buttons and It's you can't express it unfortunately you have to investing you do just pass on the document somebody else and I have to go back and get that document and I think I sent it to you as a matter of fact. You might have I have here from the Times on Saturday President Obama's administration has broadened the number of radical groups targeted by the CIA inside Pakistan So I guess we're in now and we're doing covert operations. Yeah, I guess and also There was an admission. I should find that an admission by the Israeli

41:37 government that they've been in Iran targeting nuclear scientists and nuclear laboratories and blowing stuff up. The Mossad. The Mossad, yeah. Yeah. But it was like an AP story. Yeah, I read that too. Yeah, I was amazed. I mean, so that shit's going on? I mean, you really think that's happening? I think it's just, it's just, it's information personally. Really, I mean all you have to do is go in there and do you know shake do something weird just and then put the word out that this is going on figuring it because they don't you know the problem with Iran I think everybody over there knows it especially the scientists is that they don't know that the the media is is is not I guess you can call it corrupt because the government won't let you print anything that's not approved and

42:23 So you can't trust the media to give you accurate information so you can still rumors this by the way is gonna happen in this country So you can go to happen gonna happen. Well. I mean to an it to more of an extreme And so you can I think you can actually move opinion with rumors and innuendo a lot easier in an environment where the media is basically no good and it is happening here to some extent. But there, it must be just a piece of cake because no one's going to believe anything they read in the newspaper. So if somebody, so if the word starts passing around that the Israeli Mossad's killing scientists in Iran, you know, murdering them, and then you know, but since there's no real good communications there, you can't, you know, really... You can't double check it, so you can get real freaked out.

43:15 So I think it's pretty, you know, pretty interesting that they try to pull that. I don't, I just don't see it happening. I mean, maybe, I don't know. I mean, it would be something that, it's not unknown to the Israeli intelligence to do this stuff. They shot that, remember that guy they killed who built that big cannon? Oh yeah, the 100 foot long cannon, you mean that one? That guy, I mean he was the most famous cannon designer in the world. He was already used by, as a consultant, he was going to apparently build this 100 foot long or longer, mile long cannon, it's huge, cannon that they were going to put in Iraq and they were going to build a shell, Tel Aviv, because you could shoot a shell. This guy was like, apparently just very, I can't remember his name, Bull I think was his name or something like that.

43:59 He was just minutes away from being able to, he believed you could do it, designing a cannon that could put a satellite in orbit. Yeah, that sounds feasible I guess. Yeah, if the cannon was long enough. And he's, most modern cannons today are of his design, For a lot of different reasons. I mean he was a genius, and a cannon nut. So this Mossad, and I don't think anyone, nobody's ever denied it, was Israeli intelligence, they got sick of this guy, you know, building this thing, and they tried to stop him I guess, and he told them to shove it, and so they just shot him in the hall in his hotel somewhere. Goodbye. That was the end of it. Bye. Goodbye. You're not a problem anymore.

44:45 You know, so it's not beyond the possibility. Well, yeah. I think if the guy had backed off, he wouldn't have been killed. So I possibly, but I agree with you. I'll just take it a step further. I think our media is already completely infiltrated. And it's and again, it's not like people are being forced to write something, but it's a culture. It's a culture of these companies and stuff gets passed down. And they at the 40th floor said they want this to happen. It just kind of happens. Disinformation gets out all over the place my Well, there's two well. Let me just add to that There's a couple of things that probably should be mentioned if we're going to talk about this kind of thing Generally speaking if you're working for a media company like General Electric. I'm sorry NBC Or you know any of these other birds or Disney? I'm sorry ABC or any of these other large corporations that happen to have you know ownership of the outlets

45:41 You probably don't do one of two things. One, if you're working for ABC, you're not going to do an expose on the dangers of one of the rides at Disney World Orlando. Probably not. Ain't going to happen. And you're probably not going to go after General Electric. If you know that there's a stride that exists that's dangerous because if you go after General Electric in an attack piece saying, well, they're jet engines or you're probably going to lose your job. You're gonna, but I'm saying at ABC you're not gonna go after the NBC story or the or the General Electric story because you know that they're gonna go after that bad ride is because it's a quid pro quo with the media. I mean I, I mean writers very rarely attack each other in that and I've done it and I always know and people that attack me always know the same thing which is you're gonna get attacked back. Yeah, yeah.

46:35 You know and it's and it's a balancing thing so somebody says you know something you know and then you do you know you wait and you lie and wait usually you don't do it right away and then you just do it and then you and as a writer you're always waiting for this happened to me because I had They tried to do a hit piece on me and wired some years ago And I thought wait a minute a hit piece on John C. Dvorak and when I actually was Paulina Borsuk wrote it and she and I I had You know they had what they had to profile me. They're gonna do big profile so I I I always was waiting for a hit piece because I had written this extremely scathing article about how I thought Nicolas Negro Ponte was a big phony It was in a obscure publication, but I figured one of these days you know something who's gonna crop up and also I seem to have offended

47:26 the publishers of Wired at some point, the original one. So she comes out and you know she's got it, you know, I'm so, to be honest about it, anybody out there who's tried to do this, in fact I was almost profiled in Playboy, not a hit piece but a regular profile, but to be honest about it, it turns out You know this as well as anyone. I'm actually fairly dull person I was just gonna say why would they even bother with a profile on joy? He's a dusty old writer dude. I mean who likes food and wine. I mean what's your what do you want? There's nothing going on and so funny so

48:08 Anyway, so I have so they did the best they could but I asked her out point-blank and you know I I did my due diligence on her because I never met her before and I see for once to want to say hi But you know you always do you do diligence on the writer? So I did as much research as I couldn't I found she was like a vegetarian or a vegan or something like that So I insisted that we go to dinner and have a whatever meetings over dinner at greens which is a spectacular vegetarian restaurant san francisco which has is that just uh... terrific food and you know that tends to be i was like to put people into a environment where their food is distracting them from dealing with me and i think there's a deal with with press people because i don't really want to listen to their pitches for about their you know company i'd rather you know have a good meal

48:51 And so she told me, she said, yeah, yeah, it's gonna, it was designed to be a hit piece. She told me, I mean, she just told me. And so I, so, you know, they did what they could. They got one person to say something bad about me and they put that in there. So, you know, some PR woman said I was a jerk. But that was about it. And then somebody else defended me, which of course the person who defended me got quoted. And gee, guess who gets a little extra credit nowadays? I'm thinking like, I'm looking at this as, there's a PR woman. One of them says I'm a jerk. And of course they leave her name out. And the other one says, I'm a really okay guy. Which of these, which one is really the PR woman here? You know, obviously the smart one, you know, whether I'm a good guy or not, she has to, now I have to always go out to take her call. And the other one is obviously a moron. And I've run into, in fact, I ran into one PR woman once I was, cause I do a lot of online research and,

49:50 So I run into this woman slamming me on some website about something, I don't know why. And I looked into it, she's a PR woman. And she works for two or three companies. Yeah, smart. That's a good one. Let me write about that product. Idiots. What an idiot. Who owns Bloomberg now, John? Does Murdoch buy that as well? I don't know. I didn't know that Bloomberg... I thought Bloomberg got sold. I thought it got sold. Maybe I'm confused. I don't know. Well, they came... So I'm hoping we can still believe what they write. But this is very au courant and caught my eye. Apparently, there's been mis-measurements of the Arctic sea ice due to faulty sensors. And the extent of the Arctic sea ice, which of course has been claimed to have been reducing severely,

50:47 Well, it seems like they were off by 500,000 square kilometers. Because of faulty sensors. So is it melting or not? Well, yeah, no, it's definitely melting. I mean, we're all in a global... this is the global warming era. Yeah, we're all gonna die. Just ignore that data. Ignore any contradictory data. Oh man, you're crapping out. Don't don't know tell me tell me to stop downloading porn Nobody's up Bloomberg is a public company. It looks like is that right? I think it's public. Yeah. Yeah Bloomberg himself is gonna buy it back Yeah, it would make sense. Okay, it's kind of fun to see that Obama. You know we had the the governor's over at the White House Yeah, guess what the entertainment was for the dinner. Oh

51:49 John Legend. Well, no. It's so incredibly unhip. Earth, Wind & Fire. Oh my God, you're kidding. I don't think Philip Bailey, who was the original lead singer, I don't think he's even with the group anymore. That's like getting the four tops where you get one top. You get three other guys. Or a pip. High with the pips. Earth, Wind & Fire. That's not the epitome of cool. No, not at all. I wonder who booked that act. No, well, probably the same person who publicized it, which was probably the one that was calling you out. Stupid idiots. So big news today is that, and I'm not sure how the numbers work, but the president says that he is going, within four years, he will bring the national deficit down by half to a little over $500 billion.

52:53 And I'm thinking... No, but the national deficit is not a trillion, it's more than that, isn't it? No, no, well of course that's a whole trick. That's the annual national deficit. The annual national deficit was like a trillion, of course now it's, you know, I don't know, what did we spend last year? Like, easy a trillion just on bailout stuff. So the total numbers is into the tens of trillions. But, you know, now it just seems like, what? You know, and he's gonna have a plan on Tuesday. I don't understand. Doesn't that mean you have to either raise taxes and cut government spending in order to do that? You have to do something. Yeah. Well, he's gonna tell us on Tuesday. We can talk about it on Thursday. You know, the problem is everybody in this diet horror witch talks about this and he has some charts. I just need to repost them on my blog.

53:49 Every time one of these boneheads goes up and gives a speech like this the market tanks the next day Incredible. He says they should just shut up. Well that Dodd could you I mean? Someone I mean Dodd's head has got to get handed to him because of course the whole and by the way I Did call it only six days late the market went below my number of 72 86 Below gold almost hit its all-time high of a thousand and three I I do want to say I called this in November, maybe even October, but certainly in November. And this is not a nana nana event, but it's very important because then there's like some extra credibility that comes along. I'm saying, hey, all right, he was right about that. So then I can be a little more crackpot-y about some of the other stuff. Good.

54:36 Yeah, but it was Senator, is it Senator? I think it's Senator. As long as it doesn't go to 6,000 I'll be okay. It's gonna go to 6,000 and S&P 600, watch for that. That's the real hard one that's gonna hit. S&P 600, mark it down. I don't have a date for you, but yeah, I totally believe S&P 600. They're already freaked out that it's under 800, you know that? Yeah, totally. Let me just find this... So the market tanked after, and this was what was interesting, after Christopher Dodd, who is also in charge of the Senate Banking Committee, I believe, he comes out and he says...

55:22 Yeah, well we might have to nationalize the banks. Yeah, it could just be a brief period of time, but yeah, we might have to nationalize the banks. And so that's on Bloomberg. Bloomberg then starts spinning it as, you know, we've got this exclusive and they play the soundbite and the market goes, the bottom just fell out momentarily. And then they rush back and... These guys are clueless about this. Why don't they just shut up? They must be clueless. They must be clueless. Nobody wants to hear from them. Shut up and get to work. Yeah. I don't know. So, uh, we want to talk about, we still need, you know, another, uh,

56:07 900 subscribers to the podcast. I'm going to keep doing this every week until we get to it. Actually, at some point when we get to a certain number, we're going to do three a week. Of course we are. My goal is eventually we'll be doing this. You're right. We'll be careful. But you're right. When we get to the right number, we'll have to go to three. And also because there's just too much to cover. There's too much to talk about. Right there is I mean we could go on especially if you now that you've decided to actually do research The show what it's killing the show man. Hey listen would it kill you to do a little bit of research with to do something here? The way this shows two people that hood just started listening hold on a second let me get this thing back on my ear. Oh

56:54 The people who just started listening should realize that when we started doing this show, it was a casual conversation between two guys and we had a lot of stuff to catch up on. And it was once a week. And it was like, you know, we'd chat about this and then we'd realize that we knew something about something. We'd get on a jet and it would be very interesting, but the show would roam aimlessly. It would be mostly though about international stuff. And actually we need to get back to doing a little more of that. I'm ready. But the point of it anyway was that we managed to get through an hour and a half a week of just chatting. And it was interesting because it had been floated in the show.

57:30 And then we went to the twice and then you started taking it more seriously. So I started taking in the list, but at least I'm trying. And, um, And so the show is now getting more packed with more information But I'm not going to complain about because it's stuff that you're digging up about especially about these which I realize that you've stumbled on to a interesting idea which is just pick anybody out of this Obama group and Twitter and Look at them and see what the heck they're doing what they you know what they're up to and you've got a you've got a good 10 minutes of material and So, but the point is that people out there need to subscribe and this is a voluntary thing, we're not, you know, it's like a share where, subscribe to the show to go to Dvorak.org slash NA. I'll have the... That's not subscribe, that's donate. That's donate. Donate. That's the Curry-Dvorak library project. Dvorak.org slash... Donate, not subscribe. Yeah, Dvorak.org slash NA.

58:28 Devorah.org slash and donate a $2 a month to listen to us and that won't change even though we may increase the frequency and I'll have the buttons up later this before the Thursday show for a once a year donation and a Open donation if somebody wants to throw a bunch of money at us. I'm when I think of that I'm thinking of Dubai I think just buy some somebody in Dubai and Just, yeah, mind to throw some real dollars at us. Yeah, exactly. Someone who's hurting and doing... Oh, I spoke to my buddy, by the way, and he suggested there's a periodical which is, believe it or not, Petroleum Journal Monthly, and he suggests subscribing to that. It's a physical magazine. And he confirmed, he said, the actual cost for the Saudis is $30 per barrel of oil

59:22 and they've invested at over a hundred dollar barrel oil in their infrastructure and their pleasure playground and he confirmed the thousands of cars at Dubai airport and of course what's happening now is everyone's pulling out all the companies are moving down to South America you know there's of course the whole East Timor Indonesia thing has been going on for thousands, for a hundred years You know, there's oil everywhere and they're just moving out. They're just saying goodbye. The Arabs are just being completely obliterated. Obliterated, I tell you. I gotta get some documentation for this assertion. He was going to give me the issue where that was laid out pretty clearly. And you know, he says, look, I got to lay off people because it's a contractor business. And what's happening is because they're a, he works at a oil services company.

1:00:14 And so basically setting up the infrastructure in subcontractor attracted through the big oil companies. And so they'll give them a price on something and instead of bickering over the price, what the oil companies are doing is saying, yeah, that's great, that's an interesting price, we'll call you again in six months. So everything's being pushed off. Basically nothing, you know, there's they're stagnating. There's no no investment nothing going on because everyone's waiting for the price to go up It's just wonder what they're gonna do it. Those really got all these buildings that they've thrown up and do buy me It's like it's a it's almost like it It's a ghost town. It's a ghost town. No, no, everyone's doing it. We gotta go. We gotta find somewhere to go. Now here's the deal. No, seriously. We don't gotta go. No, I disagree. There's no reason to go to Dubai. I've been. There's no reason to go. I've been too, but I haven't been putting up all these buildings. Crap, man. You crap it out. The world's tallest building. Don't talk so loud. Maybe it's when you talk loud that it happens. Back off a bit. Oh, well. Okay. So is that better? Do I sound better? Do I sound a little more DJ? Sound a little more FM radio?

1:01:19 So, so, uh, so do Emirates Airlines. Let me know when I'm coming in clear. Emirates, Emirates, Emirates. Yes, we got you. Emirates now has a direct flight to San Francisco on a long haul 777 to Dubai. So I figure we should probably find some way to get a comp flight. round trip. No, you know, John, no. Why don't you go get that comm flight? All right. Why don't you go sit in Dubai on Thursday and then give me a call? Because it's boring in Dubai. It's it's freaking boring. It's boring. It's boring. I was there for a week. I wanted to shoot myself after three days. Well, it's it could be more interesting. I mean, there's a lot of shopping. There's no hookers. There's no booze. There's no it's boring.

1:02:13 Well, I'm not sure there's no hookers anymore, but you're probably right. So I priced the flights just to see what the, you know, figure. Well, I'm just looking. Pricing the flights. All right, let me go through some real important news here. You and your Dubai. I don't want... Well, let me tell you what the price is. I don't want to go to Dubai. I don't care. I want to sit in the command center all day preparing for the show. $10,000. It seems a little high. What's $10,000? Flight to Dubai $10,000 what it was that first class no, it's business. Jeez. That's outrageous I think they're just living in a dream world. They've You think all right? I'm gonna run through this John just stop me stop me when you want to Gordon Brown visiting Washington on March 3rd that will be under reported in the United States, so

1:03:11 Keep an eye on it, see if anything interesting shows up because of course Gordon Brown is now on his trip, his New World Order trip, as in head trip. He's at the G20, here we go, in Berlin. Gordon Brown appeared upbeat. about the success of the conference of European leaders and here's a quote from him. We will have a global system where we can identify and have transparency and disclosure from all financial institutions including of course hedge funds. So that's the World Bank that he's announcing there essentially. This is, oh this will please you. This came and went real quick so it'll never hit the headlines. The Army Times which I do read

1:04:07 It's a good, excellent publication. It's a great publication. Had announced that the National Guard was going to do, what they call it, uh... the uh... gun employment well that would have been a good deployment yes in uh... in a town uh... in uh... in iowa arcadia iowa population four hundred and forty three regarded planned a four-day urban military operation of sending troops to take over the town and search door-to-door for suspected weapons dealers and uh... so this got a lot of uh... quick online press and now they've scrapped it

1:04:52 Well that doesn't mean it's really scrapped. Well, this is the thing, they've underestimated the internet. They thought that they could fool us with their old wag the dog television tactics, but it's just not working anymore. People are so jaded, and of course there's a lot of people actually bringing us news online. It's like, oh I've been tracing back the origins of Sir Stanford. How that got broken apparently it was a Venezuelan trader who? Who started I think he wrote a blog post about it. This is how pathetic our SEC is He wrote a blog post a blogger. Well. Yeah, exactly well. That's a beautiful thing you know he said hey, man. This is this shit is off and And that's apparently how it started to spin out, but yeah

1:05:50 I sent you that thing which it's it's it's even too freaky I think for us to talk about just because it's so deep and detailed and there's a lot of Anti-semitic overtures in it, which I really don't like I don't know how to get around it. Yeah, you know that's the thing we do I mean typically these you know to use these people that it's always amazing to me where you have a person that seems to be outlining a very interesting situation then they fall off the boat and Yeah, like their brain can't maintain that the normal part of it, and they go crazy with this You know this way I mean people think that we're kind of you know bring out some of this conspiratorial stuff to to some extent you mainly Yeah, but it's nothing like this stuff that we don't talk about holy Insane yeah, well, this is the who's behind Madoff thing. Did you did you actually have a chance to read that? Yeah? I read that it's ridiculous

1:06:39 You know, it's Israeli intelligence and this and that and the other thing and it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Well, I'm going to put the link in the show notes so that, you know, someone out there might trigger something and they might think about something else because it is really just connecting the dots, you know, that's all that we're doing. Right. UK loses highly sensitive Iraq war papers as another... How do these people are losing stuff constantly? British Ministry of Defense documents on the Iraq war have been reportedly stolen from a lawyer for a private law firm on a train to London. These guys, you know what happens is they get on the train, even though Boris Johnson outlawed it, they get on the train and they start drinking. And you're on the train for at least half an hour and then maybe an hour and a half, some people going down south to the southern counties.

1:07:28 And the drunk they're just the hammer. They're tired the train is kind of wobbly You know you're drinking a brewski and like and then you leave it with your paper or whatever you just leave it on the train That's yeah, you lose it, and but then you blame it on it being stolen Exactly, it's I mean you can't let's take a look at I'm a bureaucrat I brought my shit on the train because I'm stupid and it's not encrypted because I don't really know how to do that I'm too busy getting sloshed And so I get on the train and I go right into the bar. It's the first thing I do. And then I started drinking and you know, now have another one and you know, have another one, you know, it's always going to be like Scotch or something to not, not, not chardonnay that's for sure. And uh, and it's a long way and you don't want to deal with your, and you, you get wasted. I was on a plane once with the guy who was a publisher of a, of let's just say a magazine that,

1:08:21 that I used to work for, he was actually a PC World publisher. And this guy was so, he got so... And I was accidentally sit or just by coincidence that next to him and he was a guy and this is years ago So nobody could figure out who it is, but he got hammered on the plane from New York to San Francisco I mean I'm talking about hammered and one of the reasons for that is because the plane was delayed and this is the During the era where you do if your plane was delayed by any amount of time they would offer you they'd open the bar up and And I don't think I was in business. I might have been whatever the case was the bar was open one way or the other and so this guy kept having two vodkas Over ice two vodkas. I'll take two more vodkas And he couldn't drink very well it seemed to me and but he had about maybe I'd say 14 of those little bottles of vodka and so he was like really shot and

1:09:15 And then he, I was concerned about it, so I, you know, kept, stayed with him. And by the way... You're like the girlfriend that holds your hair back as you're puking. That's your essential role. I'm like hanging and making sure this guy doesn't get mugged or something so I you know you had one to go to his car And he's like him comes off the plane. I'm gonna drive home, and I said I don't know if you should it and he's fumbling around for his keys And he you know it's like the video You know he drops his keys and then falls down trying to pick him up And so I said hey you know I think I'll drop you off. You know maybe you can come back at the car later. Oh, yeah So he says yes, and so I hopefully doesn't throw up in my car. He doesn't and

1:09:55 And I dropped him off and it's like, you know, he has some place in the city and I walked him up to his door where he, I think he basically fell asleep on the, on the stoop. And I left, I figured I did my job. I got him close enough. And, uh, he was fired some months later cause apparently he was a drunk. So I can imagine guys in this horrible government job, and they just leave the computer behind because they walk off and leave it on the train and boop, there it goes. And they never see it again because somebody will pick it up and use it as their computer. They probably don't ever go to the data files, and if they did, they wouldn't know what to do with them. But no, it was stolen. It is interesting because the UK has been pretty good at it, and this is a big flap over here, and I'm sure you're not hearing about it at all in the US.

1:10:44 that essentially the British Justice Department kept all these secrets about essentially the Bush White House saying, okay, we're going to be moving people around for secret interrogations in jails all over the place, you're going to cooperate and shut up. And then there's the case of this one British uh... man who's been who was it was met in get no from four or five years tortured And so now it's all kind of coming out that MI6, I guess, or maybe even Ministry of Defense, that they knew about this and they actually participated in torture. And there's pictures of the guy's fingernails are torn out. And this is the so-called special relationship that America and Britain have together. It's just disgusting. It's just, it's really, it's vile. Special relationship. Listen to it, they'll keep saying that. Special relationship. Here's a funny one.

1:11:45 Police officers were rushed to a hospital in the United Kingdom after a suspicious substance was thrown through a car window. So the Metropolitan Police responded to these reports of an unusual smell coming from a car with smashed windows in Enfield, North London. They saw an unknown brown substance inside and those who came into contact with it were rushed to the hospital. Turns out it was a HP sauce the brown sauce It's gonna die it's gonna explode it's the brown stuff. It was that horrible brown sauce yeah sauce of England yeah, only one only don't don't be confused it ain't no a1 you know well I'll tell you the the sauces that by the way I did a thing once where I went and

1:12:40 I was traveling enough around the world that I would buy HP sauce, A1 sauce and Worcestershire sauce in different parts of the world. And it's amazing how different the formulations are from place to place. It's not even, you think as well as the same, right? No. No, no, no, no, no. alien and the one that if you anyone wants to try this it gets some real interesting product the I don't recommend the HP and a once the experiment anymore because for one thing you can't use either one of those things as things are almost all high fructose corn syrup because they won't use sugar which is the stuff that'll kill you except you know well now you're gonna get a letter but except I think Canada's only blast hold out for using a lot of

1:13:31 But anyway, the Worcestershire sauce is the one that's the most extreme in its differences. It's very interesting. Lee and Perrin, the exact same brand. It tastes radically different from country to country. You know what's an interesting sauce? There was a guy who was on Dragon's Den, which is kind of a reality show here in the United Kingdom. Is it on the states now, Dragon's Den? It must be on BBC America or something like that. America, I think I may have seen it. There's no US version yet, I know, because they asked me for it, but the show never took off. It never got greenlit. And they had a guy on who would who had was making this sauce in his in his kitchen at home And it was a rasta guy right and he walks in he has a cool song like reggae reggae sauce and he's doing this whole rasta thing and They taste the sauce and they're like wow this is good You know we're gonna give you whatever he was asking for 50,000 pounds or whatever to get the business going and now it's it's available and

1:14:26 And widely. And this shit is really good. It's fantastic. It's the Reggae Reggae sauce. It's kind of a jerk chicken... Yeah, like a jerk sauce in a way. It has kind of a nice little stingy bite that lingers on. It's phenomenal. It's really, really good. So I will bring one over next time I come. You'll like the Reggae Reggae sauce. George Soros said on Friday, this is just to make you feel good. The world financial system has effectively disintegrated, adding that there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis. Soros said the turbulence is actually more severe than during the Great Depression, comparing the current situation to the demise of the Soviet Union. He said the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in September marked a turning point in the functioning of the market. We witnessed the collapse of the financial system. So take that and stick it in your hat. Well, hopefully he's wrong.

1:15:23 He's been pretty right about a lot of things. Of course, if you're actually in control of some of it, then it's easy to be right. He also may be saying that because it might be a buying opportunity. Hey, John, why don't you take that $80 that we've been donated so far to the Curry-Dvorak Library and invest it wisely? You think we've hit the bottom, my friend? Is that what you're saying? Well, I mean it seems to me one of the things you want to do is if you have a lot of money and you're running hedge fund type operations you want a key if you get the market is depressed You know or oversold You'd want to keep me push it down there as hard as you can because if you if you move you know problem with markets typically is if you have a lot of money you move the market just by buying in and

1:16:13 And which is not good because you want to really, you know, you want to have something where you can soak it up like a sponge as opposed to, you know, I always people like this is what happens in Horowitz and I were talking about this. This is what happens when people play paper trading, you know, they just want to practice. I heard this discussion. It was very funny about the pink slips. Where people are trading penny stocks. Yeah, of course, but that's the way it's all set up is you you you practice you practice you trade You're like oh man. I'm doing some great. I'm making 60 70 $100,000 and then you do it for real money, and you lose your shirt Yeah, and just the way it is. It's the way it is. Yeah, we've all done it. We've all been there. We've all done the back trades. That's another one. Yeah, test your strategies with back trades so you can actually see how much money you would have made if you had implemented your strategy. That's my favorite.

1:17:05 Yeah, it's a classic. So anyway, the so a guy like Soros, you know, to get to do anything he has to have, you know, it has to be this sponge condition where it's just can soak it up and then once it's stabilized and it starts going up, you know, that's what you make all your, you know, you make serious money. But, you know, so I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if you can trust him. You know, that's the problem. I mean, I admired him. He's the one who, who brought in Greenberg to talk about the oil prices in front of Congress, which which kicked off the collapse of the price of oil because once the scam was realized, the next thing you know, which by the way, still people still say, well, that was shortage, you know, in their peak oil, you know, that oil.

1:17:43 All that bullshit was like revealed to be a fraud and of course people still don't know that. I don't know why the media doesn't get around to telling them. So he's been in the game here and there trying to do what he can, but I don't believe this is true, what he says, because it's not true. I mean, it's not in good shape, but it's not collapsed. Well, I tend to agree with the distinguished gentleman. Mr.. Soros, I think he's playing a suckers game Okay, I'm still predicting 600 SMP and 6,000 down okay predict what you want I'm this time I'm not agreeing with you like I did with a $200 oil and have it thrown back in my face No, that's okay. No just because I casually said yeah, I guess it could happen, okay Berkshire Hathaway has this is a

1:18:41 Data point there has dropped almost 50% in the past year. This is the world's greatest investor in the world's greatest investor We talked briefly and this is I realized that that you know I kind of glossed over this myself and how outraged you were about it when we spoke about it last the idea that the government was going to start taxing us by the mile using a black box with a GPS and instead of gasoline tax you would pay your taxes, of course your carbon taxes, etc. per mile that you drove. And you really went off on it. You're like, oh, that's never going to happen, it's crazy, it's outrageous. And I told you that this is being implemented in several countries.

1:19:26 And I realized that, you know, living in the UK and having lived in the Netherlands, it was so easy for me to accept the idea that no matter how outrageous, I've already been conditioned. Because I remember hearing this story and I was like, you know, that's crazy, man. That's like such an invasion of privacy, etc., etc. But I really wasn't outraged because everyone over here is conditioned. I think we're five years ahead of the US. Everyone's just conditioned. Like, okay, yeah, they'll probably do that. They'll probably implement that and they will and it will happen in the United States even though of course that story has been denied by Robert Gibbs once again. That was Ray LaHood's suggestion and he did say it to the press and so now it's been pulled off the table. But I think these are all just little trial balloons. They're gonna do that. That's for real. And let me mention one more thing while I'm on the tracking shit.

1:20:21 So I had installed Google Maps. Now I have a... How's your battery doing on your E71? We got them... You got yours maybe three months after me? Yeah. Okay. How's the battery life doing? Fine. I mean, what's the two days? Four. Four days. So I've got this E71. I've had it longer than you have. I call very little on it since we moved to this house for two reasons. One, because it doesn't really have... T-Mobile doesn't have really great reception down in the basement where I am. So I have to put it near the window and so you can't walk around. That kind of defeats the purpose. So, you know, I usually use Skype and I have it rigged up through the system like I do now so I can have people on the speakers and

1:21:02 You know, I can play sound effects whenever I want to. It's much more fun. So, I don't use it a lot. Wait, you use sound effects in your regular normal phone calls? Oh man, on the conference calls? Are you kidding me? When we have the Mevio conference calls? Okay, alright, alright. So I've got the E-70. That one is the easiest. Yeah, that's... I don't use that one. Actually. I use this one. There are white folks and then there are ignorant motherfuckers like you. Yeah, well that's a good one. So I had installed Google Maps with the latitude functionality when I went to see the Queen, right? A couple days before. And I had installed this and I learned that it was pretty easy to quit the application but it was actually still running because it does ask you

1:21:54 And often times you'll be like, yes, because you think it's saying, do you want to quit? Do you really want to quit? Because that's kind of the last message you get. But this message says, do you want to keep sharing your location? So I had been trapped by that once before. But then I got, I didn't like that. And I'm like, I'm just going to uninstall this thing because it's bugging me that I actually flipped through that. And who knows? Ever since I've uninstalled it, My battery runs out very quickly. So I bought a new battery just to prove to myself. Right, there is something going on. And I believe that it is making connections. It's a possibility that it's making connections and doing something because something has changed.

1:22:46 Because the battery is literally running out overnight, it's next to my bed, it's always been full bars in the morning, and now I wake up and it's either almost empty or it's giving me a low battery warning. And it's a brand new battery that I put in just to prove that something was going on, that it's not the battery. Well how about this for an idea? I think you're probably right. I'm reminded as soon as you tell the story of course of like BitTorrents, you know how these people get burned because they have a BitTorrent going and they don't know that they're doing file sharing. You know, because BitTorrent is like you download something but you're uploading to it whether you know it or not. Or those old music sharing sites where you had, you know, you were basically always online, you didn't know it.

1:23:29 You know, you were saying. Yeah, yeah, sure. Oh, yeah, sure. The system trace stuff. All kinds of, there's all kinds of, particularly on Windows, and you get any, almost any BitTorrent client, and it'll, you quit the client, but it keeps sharing. Right, and your next thing you know, the feds are knocking on the door, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hey, Curry, you got some gold in there. So. Oh, God, son. So, you're gonna, what you have to do, obviously, is you have to pull your memory, little memory card out. and just forget and put it in a like a one of the little holders that there's little micro SD cards you can stick the little bitty card into a bigger card and then you put in your computer just erase the damn thing now there was all your applications have got to go I mean make backups of your address book and then probably do the same thing to your SIM card and once the SIM card in that little card or erase I'll bet you the problem goes away because I can't there's nothing internal to the phone that I know of that would that would that would unless it's got some sort of

1:24:30 I can't think of anything. And I'll tell you that I think, I think there was one point during the day where I looked at my phone and I saw the 3G, you know, I saw that there was a network connection and I went, what the hell is that? And I'm switching around and I had no apps open. I went to, no, Google Maps was de-installed by then and I had no idea what was connecting. Okay, I have one other possibility. your phone's been compromised and it's basically on listening to you all the time and it's relaying the information to someone. That's possible. I think it can happen. Yeah. Okay. I know what would defeat that immediately. What's that? If you turn the phone off. If you turn the phone off. Yeah. Actually take the battery out. I think you have to take the battery out to be 100% sure. Yeah, I guess if it was done right, you could turn the phone off, it would still be listening. Let me just, hey guys, it's okay. I'm harmless.

1:25:25 Just talk to it. Okay, that's true. We got a couple we got a couple more stories John just just maybe even stuff We'll talk about on Thursday eurojust which is the EU's judicial cooperation agency is taking the lead in finding ways to help police and prosecutors across Europe to wiretap Skype calls Because they're they're apparently Upset that they can't listen to us on Skype, and I just said tune into the stream. It's a lot easier Right and yeah, by the way if you're listening at your intelligence agency Please Dvorak org slash na we could use the the donations for the curry Dvorak library Because I have the album art for it we've got to mention

1:26:16 Wacky ass blue Mustang at Denver International Airport as another piece in the puzzle of the Weird art and of course a part of this thing fell on its creator and killed him just to make it an even better story supposedly Supposedly what do you think it's like like a Trojan horse and the belly opens up and all kinds of things pop out? It could be something inside that they didn't want anyone to know about like a transmitter or some sort of a who-knows-what and You know fractal antennas designed for something specific and this guy was gonna mention that in the interview They were gonna do with him after he finished the horse, and so they had to kill him

1:26:58 We laugh, but we're not really we're not really that happy about it and a piece for the Just for fun because of course tonight is the 81st annual Academy Awards Which will probably write it low ratings because again, there's a theme you know for these awards called the year of the dog Really because of slumdog Yeah, that's a pun, right? Because the Slumdog A and B, it's ridiculous. These movies are boring. Well, this is the point. Every single year they do these really artsy-fartsy movies, which by the way, some of them are really good, but they're not like the big blockbuster hits. The audience doesn't show up for the award show, people. It's like, you know, like, oh, well, I guess the numbers are down again. Well, of course, because it's boring.

1:27:48 Anyway, so leaked out on the interwebs is the list of winners if you care to care to hear who's gonna win and would like to know Spoiler yeah, wait a minute wait a minute. I thought that these things were sealed by good housekeeping or somebody in the Martha Stewart good house. Okay. We'll check okay. Here's what we're gonna do we're gonna reveal this is bullshit or not hey go do you want do you want to take a quick wager hi, baby? Thank you, darling. Yeah, I'm gonna wager that these... I'll make a five buck bet that these are bogus. Okay. Alright, so let's just do the big ones. Actor in a leading role, who do you think's gonna win? Who's nominated again? Yeah, fuck if I know. They don't give you that, they just give you the names. I'll tell you who it is. I know it's gotta be the wrestler, Jimmy Roark. Yes, Mickey Roark. Mickey Roark, exactly. Okay, then you'll also know actor in a supporting role, male.

1:28:44 I don't remember who of course Heath Ledger of course he's got to get his okay pleasure. Yeah, right. Yeah exactly because he's dead because he's dead Actress in a leading role you know who that's gonna be who Kate Winslet? Oh, yeah, right they've already heard for and then and then it gets a little more esoteric So I'll just give you actress in a supporting role would be Amy Adams who I do not know best picture slumdog millionaire what other Okay, here's one to tell that best director give us the best best director hold on Interesting this could be go anywhere. It's a cinematography cost. That's interesting. They don't have best director Yeah, I'm looking I can't see it. Yes picture cinema Cinematography does that fall under cinematography? Directing directly here it is Danny Boyle for Slumdog Millionaire

1:29:42 How about this documentary feature? If that's right, then you know the list was good. No, it's not. No, because there's one guy that's so far out in front on that one, the one that did the documentary about Cambodia. Oh, well according to this, it's Man on a Wire. Oh, okay. That might be interesting. Isn't that about the French guy that walked between the Twin Towers? Don't know yeah, I think so okay, so man on a wire if that if that wins Then we'll know that this list was pretty good if all the other ones are correct Well, we have to list post a list on the notes Yep, and then people can make the comparison and see what what didn't work so because you know I think a series of good guesses You know because there's been you know they've had enough award shows already, and they typically you know there's a percentage of these you know there's very rarely a surprise and

1:30:29 That you know you wouldn't have guessed and this year it looks like it's kind of rigged especially for the actors and actresses. And then as we close down the show with one hour and 30 minutes one final piece of news that just made me chuckle coming in from the Netherlands. As you know I've been harping for quite a while I'm against the Gardasil HPV vaccination. I feel that it's not proven. There's children who have died from this. It's, I believe it's the pharmaceutical industry just trying to make tons of money with in cahoots with the government and so they, you know, many nationalized or social socialized health care systems are buying this from the big pharmaceuticals and then they give it, you know, free to

1:31:20 citizens of the country which is this for the scam is already done right so they they can somehow they convinced the medical authorities this has to be in the package is when it is a millions of girls from a cervical cancer and so the government then buys it and they and and this is a very expensive process it consists of three vaccinations you have to come back three times or come back twice after the initial one I believe the total package is four or five hundred dollars per patient so this is a big ticket item and well it's quite you know side note is it's killing people thanks darling so in the Netherlands now because of course there is a thank goodness there's there's a lot of

1:32:01 A lot of people saying, hey, you know, this ain't such a certain, and I hope I can take some responsibility for that in the Netherlands specifically. This is not a sure deal, right? And so people are saying, well, I'm not so positive. So what did the health system come up with? Hey, if you come and you take your first shot and you come back for the other two, we'll give you a free iPod. Oh, that is so... that is sick. How horrible is that? These are 13 to 16 year old girls and they're sending them letters. Letters with this offer. Oh, that's sick. Some people call me the crackpot. This is typical, you know, this is our example of consumer protection. Some people call me the buzzkill. Yeah, of course, exactly. Wrap it back around. Yeah, we totally need it. Alright, well, so that's what's happening in the world.

1:33:00 Alright, we'll be back on Thursday. Yeah, and you're gonna be back in the... I'll be back in the Bay Area. In the Bay Area. In the northern Silicon Valley. Otherwise known as Gitmo Nation. North. North. Something. Or we eat west, or the Gitmo Nation. The Gitmo Nation. Hey, we had about double the normal audience on the streams today. I managed to twitter it and they, you know, with the right address I think that helps. You don't think it's just because the show is gathering steam and we're just on fire right now? It's none of the... Oh, and I totally forgot I was going to play my Obama song. Want me to save it? Save it to Thursday. It's a teaser.

1:33:41 Well, it's not really an... It's an old song. Well, don't blow it for us. We had everybody all up on pins and needles. It's a good one. Coming to you from Gitmo Nation, east and southwest London in the Crackpot Command Center. I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. DeVorek here in the Pacific Northwest, also known as the Gitmo Nation Pacific Northwest. I'm John C. DeVorek, as I said. We'll talk to you again on Thursday, right here on No Agenda. you