# Save or Create

> A deep dive into the 2009 economic stimulus reveals a web of lobbyist influence, corporate tax breaks, and questionable spending while global financial markets face unprecedented volatility.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 73
- **Published:** 2009-02-19
- **Length:** 1h 25m
- **Topics:** Stimulus Earmarks, Allen Stanford, [Gitmo Nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [Goldman Sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [New World Order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-world-order.md), Dubai Collapse, Section 44
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create

## About this episode

The Obama administration faces scrutiny over the 2009 stimulus package as Nancy Pelosi and the White House are accused of prioritizing pork-barrel spending over genuine economic relief. Allegations have surfaced that the bill includes $30 million for salt marsh harvest mouse protection in the San Francisco Bay Area, while billionaire Paul Allen reportedly benefits from tax deferments linked to Charter Communications. These developments coincide with a homeowner bailout plan that critics argue serves banking interests more than struggling mortgage holders.

Financial scandals deepen as the SEC and FBI investigate Allen Stanford for massive fraud and alleged money laundering for Mexican drug cartels. The probe follows a failed flight attempt where Stanford’s American Express Black card was reportedly declined. Meanwhile, the Obama cabinet is populated by former lobbyists from Goldman Sachs, Raytheon, and Monsanto, contradicting campaign promises of transparency. In the UK, former MI5 head Stella Rimington warns that anti-terrorism laws are being weaponized to erode civil liberties through photography bans and increased surveillance.

Geopolitical tensions rise following the Russian sinking of the Chinese cargo ship New Star, amid unconfirmed rumors of a missing nuclear warhead. In the Middle East, the Dubai real estate market has collapsed so severely that expatriates are abandoning luxury cars at airports to escape Sharia debt laws. The episode also explores the technical cadence of presidential teleprompter use and the persistent conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Enron CEO Ken Lay and his ties to the Bush family.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Introduction, Gitmo Nation Branding (0:02–2:28)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the February 19, 2009, episode of No Agenda from London and Silicon Valley. They discuss the show's new "menacing" audio production elements and the "Gitmo Nation" branding. Dvorak comments on the slickness of the new transitions and jingles provided by Jan Paulette.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), southwest london, [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/1.md)

### 2. High School Dating, New York Bar Scene Anecdotes (2:29–6:03)

A discussion on the excitement of producing two shows a week transitions into personal anecdotes about high school dating and the evolution of nightlife. The conversation covers the 1970s bar scenes in New York City, San Francisco, and Chicago, as well as international locations like Athens and Istanbul. An anecdote is shared regarding "pickup artists" pretending to be CBS producers in the late 70s.

Keywords: [high school](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/high-school.md), [dating](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dating.md), [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), first avenue, [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [istanbul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/istanbul.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Twitter Strategy, TweetDeck Features, Boolean Search (6:04–10:00)

The focus shifts to social media tools, specifically the use of TweetDeck and the Twitter API. Features such as Boolean logic searches, tag clouds from TwitScoop, and the Adobe Air platform are detailed. The "noagenda" hashtag is established as the primary way for listeners to communicate with the program.

Keywords: [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), tweetdeck, adobe air, [api](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/api.md), boolean logic, [hashtags](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hashtags.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Obama Stimulus Package, Nancy Pelosi, Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse (10:01–13:44)

The 2009 economic stimulus package is criticized, specifically regarding alleged earmarks and pork barrel spending. A claim is made that Nancy Pelosi included $30 million in the bill to protect an endangered species of mouse in the San Francisco Bay Area. The discussion links this spending to the broader economic distress and infrastructure issues in California.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [stimulus package](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus-package.md), [earmarks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/earmarks.md), salt marsh harvest mouse, [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Paul Allen, Charter Communications, Debt Forgiveness Tax Breaks (13:48–16:39)

Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen is identified as a major beneficiary of the stimulus bill through his stake in Charter Communications. The cable provider's $8 billion debt forgiveness during Chapter 11 bankruptcy is reportedly eligible for tax deferment until 2014 under the new legislation. This is characterized as a significant tax break for the wealthy.

Keywords: [paul allen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-allen.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), charter communications, [chapter 11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chapter-11.md), [tax law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-law.md), [internal revenue service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internal-revenue-service.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Homeowner Affordability and Stability Plan, Mortgage Refinancing (16:39–20:27)

The $75 billion homeowner bailout plan announced in Denver is analyzed for its impact on monthly payments versus total debt. The plan is described as a refinancing scheme that lowers monthly interest rates but extends loan terms, potentially increasing the total amount paid by homeowners. The benefits are argued to favor bankers over the general public.

Keywords: [fannie mae](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fannie-mae.md), [freddie mac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freddie-mac.md), [mortgage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mortgage.md), [refinancing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/refinancing.md), [subprime mortgages](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subprime-mortgages.md), [department of the treasury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-the-treasury.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Karl Rove, Wall Street Journal, Job Creation Metrics (20:28–23:18)

Karl Rove's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal is cited, which criticizes the Obama administration's shifting metrics for "saving or creating" jobs. The lack of media scrutiny regarding these arbitrary numbers is discussed. The Recovery.gov website is criticized for providing a lack of transparent data despite its stated purpose.

Keywords: [karl rove](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karl-rove.md), [wall street journal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street-journal.md), [job creation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-creation.md), [recovery.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recovery-gov.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Lobbyists in the Obama Administration, Eric Holder, Goldman Sachs (23:18–25:37)

A list of former lobbyists serving in the Obama administration is presented, contradicting the President's campaign promises. Individuals mentioned include Attorney General Eric Holder (Global Crossing), Tom Vilsack (Monsanto), William Lynn (Raytheon), and Mark Patterson (Goldman Sachs). The affiliations span the departments of Agriculture, Defense, and Treasury.

Keywords: [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [tom vilsack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-vilsack.md), [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [monsanto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monsanto.md), [timothy geithner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/timothy-geithner.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Corporate Media Censorship, The Simpsons, Family Guy (25:38–27:21)

The conversation turns to how corporate media environments discourage criticism of business partners and advertisers. Personal experiences at MTV and Viacom are used to illustrate self-censorship. Meta-commentary from animated shows like The Simpsons and Family Guy is highlighted as a rare form of rebellion against network constraints.

Keywords: [viacom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viacom.md), [mtv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mtv.md), [the simpsons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-simpsons.md), [family guy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/family-guy.md), [corporate media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporate-media.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/9.md)

### 10. ACORN Funding, Civil Disobedience, Foreclosure Squatting (27:21–30:33)

The stimulus bill's reported $4.1 billion allocation for community organizing is linked to ACORN. The organization's announcement of a "civil disobedience" campaign, where members refuse to vacate foreclosed homes, is discussed. A theory is proposed that this unrest is being orchestrated to justify further government intervention.

Keywords: [acorn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/acorn.md), [civil disobedience](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-disobedience.md), [foreclosure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/foreclosure.md), [community organizing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/community-organizing.md), [stimulus bill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus-bill.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Peter Orszag, Central Bank of Iceland, White House Transparency (30:34–35:00)

Peter Orszag, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, is scrutinized for his previous role as an advisor to the Central Bank of Iceland prior to its economic collapse. His memo regarding the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is critiqued for its use of vague language like "reasonable" and "mitigated" regarding fraud and waste.

Keywords: [peter orszag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-orszag.md), [rahm emanuel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rahm-emanuel.md), [iceland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iceland.md), office of management and budget, [recovery.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recovery-gov.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Public Gullibility, CNBC, Wall Street Sentiment (35:01–37:20)

The discussion touches on the perceived gullibility of the public and the role of public relations in government. CNBC is characterized as the "E-Entertainment of Wall Street," focusing on sensationalism rather than substantive reporting. A brief check on market "revolts" reported by the network finds little evidence of a major event.

Keywords: [cnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnbc.md), [wall street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street.md), [monty python](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monty-python.md), [public relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-relations.md), [media sensationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-sensationalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Goldman Sachs Margin Calls, Ben Bernanke, Foreclosure Claims (37:20–38:59)

Reports indicate that partners at Goldman Sachs are facing margin calls against their own company stock. Meanwhile, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is criticized for claiming at a press conference that his childhood home was foreclosed upon, a statement viewed as an attempt to garner unearned sympathy from the press.

Keywords: [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [ben bernanke](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ben-bernanke.md), margin calls, [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md), [foreclosure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/foreclosure.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Allen Stanford, SEC Investigation, Drug Cartel Money Laundering (39:01–41:23)

The fraud investigation into Allen Stanford is compared to the Bernard Madoff case. Allegations surface that the FBI was investigating Stanford for laundering money for Mexican drug cartels, leading to friction with the SEC. The timing of the news break is questioned, suggesting it may be a distraction from other financial news.

Keywords: allen stanford, [sec](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sec.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [money laundering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/money-laundering.md), mexican drug cartels

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Allen Stanford's Flight Attempt, American Express Black Card (41:26–43:54)

Details of Allen Stanford's attempt to flee the United States are discussed, including a reported incident where his American Express Centurion (Black) card was declined while trying to lease a private jet. The conversation explores the requirements for such high-limit credit cards and Stanford's ties to Antigua and professional cricket.

Keywords: allen stanford, antigua, [american express](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/american-express.md), black card, [private jets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/private-jets.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Ken Lay Death Conspiracy, George W. Bush, Paraguay Property (43:56–45:55)

A conspiracy theory is posited regarding the 2006 death of Enron CEO Ken Lay. The suggestion is made that Lay may have faked his death to live in seclusion, possibly on property owned by George W. Bush in Paraguay. The lack of a public funeral and Lay's close ties to the Bush family are cited as suspicious factors.

Keywords: [ken lay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ken-lay.md), [enron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/enron.md), [paraguay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paraguay.md), [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [conspiracy theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theory.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Barack Obama's Teleprompter Gaffes, Professional Cadence (45:57–48:41)

The technical aspects of using a teleprompter are discussed following a gaffe where President Obama reportedly mispronounced "wreak havoc" as "wrecking havoc." The difficulty of "cold reading" and the development of a specific "announcer cadence" to mask reading errors are explored as professional broadcasting techniques.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [teleprompter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/teleprompter.md), cold reading, [linguistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/linguistics.md), [public speaking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-speaking.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Liquid Explosives Plot, UK Jury Discharge, Civil Liberties (48:42–50:15)

The discharge of a jury in the trial of men accused of a 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot is discussed. The "legal reasons" for the discharge are questioned, as the previous trial failed to produce convictions for murder conspiracy. The case is linked to the permanent implementation of liquid restrictions at airport security checkpoints.

Keywords: transatlantic aircraft plot, liquid explosives, [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [civil liberties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-liberties.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Stock Market Volatility, Dow Jones, Gold Prices (50:16–51:49)

The Dow Jones Industrial Average's decline toward the 7,500 level is monitored in real-time. Technical analysis regarding market "floors" and fractals is discussed, alongside the rise of gold prices toward $1,000 per ounce. The hosts express skepticism about shorting gold in the current economic climate.

Keywords: dow jones industrial average, [stock market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stock-market.md), [gold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gold.md), [fractals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fractals.md), [technical analysis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technical-analysis.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Bill Clinton, Library Funding, Saudi Donations (51:49–54:18)

The funding of the Clinton Presidential Library by anonymous and foreign donors, including Saudi interests, is examined as a form of legalized bribery. The high speaking fees earned by Bill Clinton post-presidency are characterized as "quid pro quo" payments for deals made while in office, bypassing traditional corruption laws.

Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), clinton presidential library, [saudi arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [speaking fees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/speaking-fees.md), political corruption

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Iraq War Cash Shipments, Missing Billions, Money Laundering (54:19–56:06)

The disappearance of billions of dollars in physical cash sent to Iraq on pallets is discussed. Personal observations from Iraq describe a lack of oversight where local individuals were handed fistfuls of dollars for undetermined purposes. The scale of the unaccounted funds is cited as a major national scandal.

Keywords: [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md), [department of defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-defense.md), cash pallets, [money laundering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/money-laundering.md), [military spending](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-spending.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/21.md)

### 22. No Agenda Subscription Model, Listener Support (56:07–57:31)

The hosts discuss the financial sustainability of the show, aiming for 1,000 subscribers at $2 per month to cover bandwidth and production costs. They thank the first 100 donors and mention plans for a one-time annual donation option. A brief mention of a potential correspondent in Dubai leads into the next topic.

Keywords: [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [crowdfunding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crowdfunding.md), [subscriptions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subscriptions.md), [bandwidth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bandwidth.md), [dubai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dubai.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Dubai Real Estate Crash, Abandoned Cars, Sharia Debt Laws (57:32–1:01:18)

The economic collapse in Dubai is highlighted, specifically the impact of falling oil prices on real estate values. Due to strict laws where unpaid debt can lead to imprisonment, thousands of luxury cars have reportedly been abandoned at the Dubai airport by fleeing expatriates. The difficulty of finding skilled labor in the region is also noted.

Keywords: [dubai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dubai.md), [oil prices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil-prices.md), [real estate bubble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/real-estate-bubble.md), debt laws, abandoned cars

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Green Comet Lulin, Solar Winds, Meteorite Incidents (1:01:19–1:05:05)

NASA reports on the appearance of Comet Lulin, a rare green comet passing Earth. The discussion covers the chemical composition of the comet's gas field and the potential for solar winds to disrupt GPS navigation. A related story involves a "hot rock" or cast-iron object crashing through a roof in New Jersey.

Keywords: comet lulin, [nasa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nasa.md), solar winds, [gps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gps.md), [meteorite](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meteorite.md), [new jersey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-jersey.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/24.md)

### 25. UK Police State, Photography Bans, Section 44 (1:05:05–1:06:55)

Stella Rimington, former head of MI5, warns that the fear of terrorism is being used to erode civil liberties in the UK. New regulations under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act are discussed, which allow officials to prevent the public from taking photographs of police officers or government buildings.

Keywords: stella rimington, [mi5](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mi5.md), [civil liberties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-liberties.md), section 44, [photography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photography.md), [police state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police-state.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Global Leadership Prizes, Tony Blair, GPS Road Pricing (1:06:56–1:10:25)

Tony Blair's receipt of a million-dollar prize for "global leadership" is viewed as a delayed payoff for political favors. In related news, the UK and New York governments are reportedly hiring fired bankers. Additionally, a plan in the Netherlands to implement in-car GPS tracking for per-mile road charging is discussed as a privacy concern.

Keywords: [tony blair](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tony-blair.md), global leadership, [treasury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treasury.md), [gps tracking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gps-tracking.md), road pricing, [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/26.md)

### 27. G20 Summit, IMF, New World Order Rhetoric (1:10:28–1:13:03)

The upcoming G20 meeting is framed as a move toward a global banking system managed by the IMF and World Bank. The hosts note the increasing use of the term "New World Order" by various world leaders, including Gordon Brown and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, though they acknowledge the term may have different regional meanings.

Keywords: [g20](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/g20.md), [imf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imf.md), [world bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-bank.md), [gordon brown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gordon-brown.md), [mahmoud ahmadinejad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mahmoud-ahmadinejad.md), [new world order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-world-order.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Iranian Geopolitics, Tehran University, Paraguay Safety (1:13:03–1:15:27)

A sociological theory from Tehran University suggests the Muslim world could replace the Soviet Union as a competing global power center against the West. The discussion briefly touches on the safety of various countries, contrasting the modern reality of Iran with the perceived security of Paraguay for those seeking to avoid global conflict.

Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), tehran university, [communism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/communism.md), [islam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/islam.md), [paraguay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paraguay.md), [nuclear war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-war.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/28.md)

### 29. State Sovereignty, 10th Amendment, Medical Marijuana (1:15:27–1:17:20)

The financial crisis in Kansas, including suspended tax refunds, leads to a discussion on the 10th Amendment and state sovereignty. The conflict between federal law and state-legal medical marijuana in California is highlighted, with criticism directed at President Obama for not using executive orders to stop federal raids as promised.

Keywords: [10th amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/10th-amendment.md), [kansas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kansas.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [medical marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-marijuana.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [executive orders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-orders.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Russian Sinking of Chinese Ship New Star, Nuclear Warhead Rumors (1:17:21–1:20:26)

Russian sources report the sinking of a Chinese-registered cargo ship, the New Star, by the Russian Coast Guard. Rumors suggest the ship, which was bound for Seattle, may have been carrying a missing nuclear warhead from a Russian Topol-M missile. The lack of Western media coverage on the incident is noted.

Keywords: new star, russian coast guard, [seattle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seattle.md), [nuclear warhead](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-warhead.md), topol-m, [vladivostok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladivostok.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Denver Airport Conspiracy, China War Theory (1:20:26–1:22:28)

The hosts briefly revisit conspiracy theories surrounding Denver International Airport, including its deep underground layers and covered runways. A theory is mentioned suggesting Denver could serve as a strategic front in a future conflict with China. The segment concludes with a critique of the "Making America Work" slogan.

Keywords: [denver international airport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denver-international-airport.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), underground bunkers, runways, [conspiracy theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theory.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/73-save-or-create/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Show Outro, Inside the Meltdown Documentary, Sign-off (1:22:28–1:24:52)

The show concludes with a recommendation for the PBS Frontline documentary "Inside the Meltdown," which highlights Nancy Pelosi's political power. The hosts exchange final banter about their respective locations in London and Silicon Valley before signing off until the Sunday episode.

Keywords: [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [frontline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/frontline.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

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