# Throwin' The "Oh"

> A miraculous Hudson River landing and a trillion-dollar stimulus package collide with hyperinflationary warnings from Zimbabwe and the collapse of global shipping rates.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 66
- **Published:** 2009-01-17
- **Length:** 1h 50m
- **Topics:** [Flight 1549](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flight-1549.md), [Alan Grayson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alan-grayson.md), Zimbabwe hyperinflation, Obama stimulus, Fractal theory, [Slingbox](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slingbox.md), XFL
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh

## About this episode

US Airways Flight 1549 pilot Chesley Sullenberger successfully executed an emergency water landing in the Hudson River, sparking immediate questions regarding the absence of bird strike NOTAMs and the presence of several Bank of America executives on board. The incident coincides with the launch of recovery.gov as the Obama administration prepares a massive stimulus package targeting the national energy grid and renewable technology.

In London, the Stop the War Coalition organized massive protests at Trafalgar Square and the BBC Broadcasting House to condemn the lack of reporting on the Gaza conflict. Meanwhile, Congressman Alan Grayson challenged Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Donald Kohn over $1.2 trillion in secret loans, while Zimbabwe Reserve Bank Governor Gideon Gono issued a 100 trillion dollar banknote amidst hyperinflation. Global shipping rates from Asia have collapsed to zero as trade volume at the Port of Long Beach drops by 18 percent.

Professional wrestling legends like Ray Stevens and Superfly Snuka provide a backdrop for the theatrical nature of modern politics, including the viral hand gesture known as throwing the O. Personal stories of parking ticket fiascos in Guilford and the survivalist preparations of hedge fund manager Gene Lang highlight the tension between everyday life and the looming threat of a total financial system breakdown.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/transcript.md.

### 1. Professional Wrestling History, San Francisco Bay Area Legends (0:01–2:28)

The discussion opens with reminiscences of regional professional wrestling in the San Francisco Bay Area prior to the dominance of the WWE. Specific mention is made of Ray Stevens, a blonde-haired wrestler from Hayward, California, and the low-budget nature of early televised wrestling. Memories of watching Superfly Snuka via terrestrial reception on WTBS in West Virginia are shared.

Keywords: ray stevens, [wwe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wwe.md), bay area wrestling, superfly snuka, wtbs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Benjamin Emanuel Quote, Rahm Emanuel Controversy (2:28–4:14)

A quiz highlights a controversial quote from Benjamin Emanuel, the father of Rahm Emanuel, published in the Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv. The quote suggests his son would influence the president to be pro-Israel because he is not an Arab who would "clean the floors of the White House." The statement is characterized as outrageous and racist.

Keywords: benjamin emanuel, [rahm emanuel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rahm-emanuel.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), ma'ariv, [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Wrestling Archetypes, Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan (4:14–10:03)

The evolution of wrestling characters is examined, focusing on the transition from simple archetypes like "The Sheik" to mega-stars like Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan. Ric Flair is noted for his acrobatic ability and technical skill, while Hulk Hogan is credited with making the WWE a global phenomenon through his "Hulkamania" gimmick. The theatrical nature of the "good guy" vs. "bad guy" dynamic and the use of folding chairs as props are highlighted.

Keywords: ric flair, [hulk hogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hulk-hogan.md), the sheik, [wwe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wwe.md), wrestling gimmicks

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Jesse Ventura, XFL Football Fiasco (10:03–13:11)

Vince McMahon's attempt to compete with the NFL through the XFL is described as a commercial fiasco. Jesse Ventura's involvement as an announcer for the league while serving as Governor of Minnesota caused significant friction with the local media. The segment also touches on the contested Senate race between Al Franken and Norm Coleman in Minnesota.

Keywords: [jesse ventura](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jesse-ventura.md), [vince mcmahon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vince-mcmahon.md), xfl, [minnesota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minnesota.md), [al franken](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-franken.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Obama Salute, Throwing the O (13:12–17:09)

A new symbolic gesture dubbed the "Obama salute" or "throwing the O" is discussed as a potential viral trend for the upcoming inauguration. The gesture involves forming an "O" with the hands above the head. Speculation follows regarding the visual impact of millions of people performing the salute simultaneously at the National Mall.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [inauguration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inauguration.md), salute, [mevio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mevio.md), [daily source code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daily-source-code.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Gaza Conflict Protests, BBC Reporting Criticism (17:11–20:38)

Protests in London at Trafalgar Square and the BBC's Broadcasting House are detailed, with demonstrators criticizing the lack of reporting on the conflict in Gaza. The "Stop the War Coalition" is identified as a primary organizer. There is skepticism regarding the underlying political affiliations of the groups coordinating these global days of action.

Keywords: [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [trafalgar square](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trafalgar-square.md), stop the war coalition, [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Guilford Lap Dance, Dexter's First Club Visit (20:39–23:08)

A personal anecdote involves a trip to Guilford to retrieve a car, resulting in ten parking tickets for illegal parking. During the trip, a 19-year-old named Dexter is taken to a pole dancing club for his first private lap dance. The story concludes with the humorous fallout of the event within the family.

Keywords: [guilford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guilford.md), [parking tickets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parking-tickets.md), lap dance, [christina curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christina-curry.md), [anecdote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anecdote.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Battlestar Galactica Criticism, Science Fiction Tropes (23:08–28:04)

The television series Battlestar Galactica is heavily criticized for its slow pacing, background music, and perceived logical inconsistencies. Specific complaints are directed at characters wearing modern suits and ties in a futuristic setting. The "Cylon" plot twist and the show's dramatic pauses are dismissed as inferior science fiction.

Keywords: battlestar galactica, [sci-fi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sci-fi.md), cylons, tv reviews, costume design

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Obama Poster Aesthetic, Photoshop Plugins (28:04–30:23)

The widespread adoption of the "Obama style" graphic aesthetic—featuring cream, blue, and red posterization—by mainstream media networks is noted. There is a search for specific Photoshop or Illustrator plugins that automate this visual effect, originally popularized by Shepard Fairey's "Hope" poster.

Keywords: shepard fairey, obama poster, [photoshop](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photoshop.md), [adobe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adobe.md), [graphic design](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/graphic-design.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/9.md)

### 10. German Measles Outbreak, Rabid Raccoons (30:24–34:34)

Reports of a German measles epidemic in Britain are viewed with skepticism as a potential push for mandatory vaccinations. This is compared to recent news cycles in the United States focusing on outbreaks of rabid raccoons. The discussion briefly touches on nanotechnology in medicine before transitioning to travel plans.

Keywords: german measles, [vaccinations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccinations.md), [rabies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rabies.md), raccoons, [public health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-health.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Profound Note-Taking Failures (34:35–36:35)

A brief reflection on the failure of writing down vague notes for "profound" ideas. The realization is made that without specific details, even the most brilliant concepts are forgotten, serving as a warning to other note-takers.

Keywords: note taking, [productivity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/productivity.md), [memory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memory.md), ideas

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/11.md)

### 12. US Airways Flight 1549, Hudson River Landing (36:36–42:36)

The successful emergency water landing of US Airways Flight 1549 in the Hudson River is analyzed from an aviation perspective. Questions are raised regarding the lack of official bird strike warnings (NOTAMs) and the absence of air traffic control recordings immediately following the event. The technical features of the Airbus A320 that allowed it to float are also discussed.

Keywords: [us airways](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/us-airways.md), [hudson river](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hudson-river.md), [bird strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-strike.md), [airbus a320](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airbus-a320.md), [flight 1549](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flight-1549.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Bank of America Executives, Flight 1549 Conspiracy (42:37–45:58)

Speculation arises regarding the presence of several Bank of America executives on the US Airways flight to Charlotte. A hypothetical theory is proposed that the emergency landing could have been a staged event to intimidate banking executives during the financial crisis, though the theory is presented with significant skepticism.

Keywords: [bank of america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bank-of-america.md), [merrill lynch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merrill-lynch.md), [charlotte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlotte.md), [conspiracy theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theory.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Obama Stimulus Package, Renewable Technology (45:59–51:55)

The preamble and executive summary of the Obama administration's stimulus package are reviewed, specifically the launch of recovery.gov for transparency. Significant funding is allocated to "renewable technology" and the modernization of the national energy grid. The document's claim that every dollar invested in broadband yields a tenfold economic return is questioned.

Keywords: [stimulus package](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus-package.md), [recovery.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recovery-gov.md), [energy grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-grid.md), [broadband](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadband.md), renewable technology

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Health IT, National Energy Grid Modernization (51:55–54:35)

The stimulus package allocates $20 billion for health information technology, which is compared to the failed, over-budget IT projects of the UK's National Health Service. Additionally, $11 billion is earmarked for a "smart grid" to transmit renewable energy, despite questions about the actual state of the current national grid.

Keywords: health it, [energy grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-grid.md), [infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md), [stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus.md), uk nhs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Advanced Battery Grants, John Doerr (54:36–58:46)

A $2 billion grant program for advanced vehicle batteries is identified as a potential giveaway to the green tech industry. Venture capitalist John Doerr and Kleiner Perkins are mentioned as major beneficiaries of this policy shift toward electric vehicles. Speculation follows regarding Doerr's potential future role in the Obama administration.

Keywords: [electric cars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-cars.md), [batteries](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/batteries.md), [john doerr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-doerr.md), [kleiner perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kleiner-perkins.md), [green tech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-tech.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/16.md)

### 17. TSA Explosive Detection, Bomb Sniffing Dogs (58:48–1:00:40)

The allocation of $500 million for TSA explosive detection systems is criticized as inefficient. It is argued that using trained dogs for sniffing out explosives, drugs, and fruit would be more effective and less costly than high-tech airport security machinery.

Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [airport security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airport-security.md), explosive detection, bomb dogs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Wildfire Prevention Funding, Food Stamp Expansion (1:00:41–1:03:23)

The stimulus package includes $850 million for wildfire prevention and hazardous fuel removal on public lands. Furthermore, $20 billion is added to the food stamp program, alongside extensions for COBRA health insurance, reflecting the administration's response to the economic downturn.

Keywords: [wildfires](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wildfires.md), forest service, [food stamps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/food-stamps.md), [stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulus.md), [cobra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cobra.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Alan Grayson, Federal Reserve Transparency Hearing (1:03:24–1:09:23)

Congressman Alan Grayson is praised for his aggressive questioning of Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Donald Kohn regarding the $1.2 trillion lent to financial institutions. The Fed's refusal to name specific banks that received taxpayer funds is a central point of contention. Barney Frank's role as chairman during the hearing is also criticized.

Keywords: [alan grayson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alan-grayson.md), [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md), donald kohn, [barney frank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barney-frank.md), [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Zimbabwe Hyperinflation, 100 Trillion Dollar Note (1:09:24–1:12:10)

The Governor of the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe, Gideon Gono, is quoted comparing the US and UK financial bailouts to Zimbabwe's own troubled bank funds. Zimbabwe's issuance of a $100 trillion banknote is highlighted as a cautionary example of hyperinflationary consequences.

Keywords: [zimbabwe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zimbabwe.md), [hyperinflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hyperinflation.md), gideon gono, reserve bank, [currency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/currency.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Global Shipping Collapse, Free Freight Rates (1:12:11–1:16:11)

Shipping rates from Asia to Europe have reportedly hit zero as trade activity collapses. Data from the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles show an 18% decline in traffic, signaling a complete collapse in foreign demand. The difficulty in obtaining letters of credit is cited as a major factor in the manufacturing slowdown.

Keywords: [shipping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shipping.md), [long beach](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/long-beach.md), [hong kong](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hong-kong.md), letters of credit, [global trade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-trade.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Internet Filtering, Child Protection Guise (1:16:11–1:18:35)

Germany and Finland are moving toward mandatory internet traffic filtering under the guise of protecting children from illegal content. Critics argue that these "watch lists" are actually tools for political censorship. An anecdote is shared about a Finnish researcher who was investigated for child pornography after exposing the flaws in the government's ban list.

Keywords: [internet filtering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-filtering.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [finland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/finland.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md), [child porn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/child-porn.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Heathrow Third Runway, Parliamentary Protest (1:18:35–1:20:58)

The UK government's approval of a third runway at Heathrow Airport without a full parliamentary debate sparked outrage, leading one MP to seize the ceremonial mace in protest. The economic necessity of the runway is debated against the environmental concerns of "greenie" activists and the competition from European hubs like Frankfurt.

Keywords: [heathrow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heathrow.md), third runway, mace, [parliament](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parliament.md), aviation hubs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Obama Assassination Plot, Stephen Joseph Christopher (1:20:58–1:23:34)

A man named Stephen Joseph Christopher was arrested in Mississippi by the Secret Service for threatening to assassinate President-elect Barack Obama. The suspect's motives were reportedly tied to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories regarding Obama's cabinet appointments. The story was notably covered by the Iranian news outlet Press TV.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), [assassination plot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assassination-plot.md), [mississippi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mississippi.md), [press tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/press-tv.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Fractal Theory, Economic Cycles (1:23:35–1:29:49)

Niall Ferguson's "The Great Liquidity Crisis" is discussed in the context of a 94-year economic cycle. This leads to an exploration of fractal theory and Benoit Mandelbrot's work, suggesting that nature and history follow self-iterative patterns. Examples of fractals are noted in everything from forest structures to a mother holding a child with a doll.

Keywords: [fractals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fractals.md), [mandelbrot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mandelbrot.md), [niall ferguson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/niall-ferguson.md), [economic cycles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-cycles.md), [nova](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nova.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Fractal Antennas, Wireless Technology (1:29:49–1:32:56)

The practical application of fractal math in technology is highlighted through the development of fractal antennas, which allow modern mobile phones to function without external protruding antennas. The discussion emphasizes how understanding these natural mathematical structures can lead to significant technological breakthroughs.

Keywords: fractal antenna, [mobile phones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mobile-phones.md), [mandelbrot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mandelbrot.md), [wireless](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wireless.md), [technology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Salt Water Ignition, Frequency Beam Claims (1:32:56–1:35:22)

A viral claim involving a doctor who discovered that salt water can be ignited when exposed to a specific frequency beam is met with skepticism. It is argued that the energy required to produce the beam likely exceeds the energy generated by the burning water, suggesting the phenomenon may be a scientific dead end or a scam.

Keywords: salt water, frequency beam, [energy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy.md), [scam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scam.md), saltwaterburns.com

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Slingbox Community, International News Access (1:35:22–1:39:32)

The utility of the Slingbox for accessing local news from different geographic markets like Detroit, Hawaii, and London is discussed. The hosts express a desire to expand their "Slingbox community" to include locations like Hong Kong, Russia, and Iran to bypass national media narratives. Virgin Media's service in the UK is criticized for poor installation times.

Keywords: [slingbox](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slingbox.md), [virgin media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virgin-media.md), [dish network](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dish-network.md), international tv, [broadcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Dish Network Acquisition, TV Portability Laws (1:39:33–1:42:05)

The acquisition of Sling Media by Dish Network is reviewed, along with the legal restrictions that prevent satellite providers from offering out-of-market local stations. The Slingbox is seen as a technological workaround for consumers who want to watch television from their home cities while traveling.

Keywords: [dish network](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dish-network.md), [slingbox](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slingbox.md), broadcasting law, local stations

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Digital TV Switchover, Coupon Card Waste (1:42:06–1:47:26)

The US government's digital TV converter box coupon program is criticized for its high production costs, featuring embossed credit cards with holograms. The hosts argue that a simple barcode would have sufficed. A brief mention is made of a technical failure during a Mevio production of "Cranky Geeks" where the audio was not recorded.

Keywords: digital switchover, dtv coupons, [government waste](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/government-waste.md), [best buy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/best-buy.md), [mevio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mevio.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Hedge Fund Survivalism, Gene Lang Interview (1:47:27–1:50:13)

An interview in New York Magazine with hedge fund manager Gene Lang reveals extreme survivalist preparations, including a basement stocked with six months of supplies and a retrofitted military vehicle. Lang expresses fears of a total financial system breakdown that could turn New York City into a post-apocalyptic scenario.

Keywords: gene lang, [hedge funds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hedge-funds.md), [survivalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/survivalism.md), [new york magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-magazine.md), i am legend

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/66-throwin-the-oh/chapter/31.md)

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