# People the Board

> Occult symbolism dominates the Grammy Awards as the White House pivots to executive orders and the Senate struggles to correctly identify whistleblower Edward Snowden.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 587
- **Published:** 2014-02-01
- **Length:** 2h 54m
- **Topics:** [State of the Union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-of-the-union.md), [Tom Perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-perkins.md), [Edward Snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [Grammy Awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grammy-awards.md), [HSBC](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hsbc.md), Ukraine Protests, [Rain Sticks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rain-sticks.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board

## About this episode

The 56th Annual Grammy Awards and the 2014 State of the Union address serve as the primary vehicles for a massive rollout of occult symbolism and executive overreach. Katy Perry’s performance of Dark Horse is identified as a pre-promotion for the Disney film Maleficent, while President Barack Obama’s use of wounded Army Ranger Cory Remsburg as a political prop draws sharp criticism. The administration’s pivot toward a pen-and-phone strategy signals a move to bypass Congress through Article 2 executive orders, specifically targeting federal contractor minimum wages.

Venture capitalist Tom Perkins ignites a firestorm after comparing the demonization of the wealthy to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany during a Bloomberg interview. In the Senate, James Clapper and John Brennan face intense scrutiny over domestic spying under Executive Order 12333, while Senators Susan Collins and Barbara Mikulski repeatedly misidentify Edward Snowden as Edwin or Eric. Snowden’s interview with German network ARD confirms that the NSA conducts economic espionage against firms like Siemens and Mercedes, further straining the Eastern Partnership between the EU and Russia. Meanwhile, HSBC implements cash withdrawal restrictions in the UK, signaling instability within the fractional reserve banking system.

John C. Dvorak recounts the mechanical failures of his 1988 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow II, specifically the porous rubber bellows that crippled the cruise control. Adam Curry experiences a series of technical glitches with his audio board while performing a rain stick ritual intended to end the California drought. The program concludes with a formal knighting ceremony for Sir Andrew Wilson and Sir Paul Dowd, who join the No Agenda roundtable as executive producers.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/transcript.md.

### 1. Grand Central Oyster Bar, Vintage Menu Archiving (0:00–2:24)

John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry open the program discussing a vintage menu from the Grand Central Station Oyster Bar dated December 18, 2002. Dvorak describes his hobby of archiving old restaurant menus and the challenges of maintaining a complete collection in mint condition. The hosts compare historical food prices to modern inflation, noting the steep cost of a jumbo gulf shrimp cocktail.

Keywords: grand central station, oyster bar, [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), menu archiving, price inflation

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/1.md)

### 2. California Drought, Rain Stick Rituals (2:26–3:29)

The hosts perform a ritual using handmade rain sticks from Utah to address the six-month drought in Northern California and cedar fever in Austin, Texas. They claim previous attempts resulted in reported rainfall and satellite images showing precipitation over the region. The segment emphasizes their status as "licensed rain stick professionals" while jokingly warning of the dangers of improper use.

Keywords: [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [drought](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drought.md), [rain sticks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rain-sticks.md), [utah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/utah.md), [weather modification](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weather-modification.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Grammy Awards, Katy Perry Illuminati Symbolism (3:30–6:10)

The 56th Annual Grammy Awards are criticized for heavy commercial integration and dark occult symbolism during Katy Perry's "Dark Horse" performance. The hosts interpret the stage design as a pre-promotion for the Disney film Maleficent starring Angelina Jolie. They discuss the presence of 33 couples in a mass wedding segment as a recurring numerological theme.

Keywords: [grammy awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grammy-awards.md), [katy perry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/katy-perry.md), [illuminati](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illuminati.md), beelzebub, [disney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disney.md), maleficent

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Polly Anthony Death, Grammy In Memoriam Segment (6:10–9:05)

Adam Curry reacts to the death of former record executive Polly Anthony, who passed away from pancreatic cancer at age 59. Her inclusion in the Grammy "In Memoriam" segment serves as a personal shock to Curry, who recalls her professional influence in the New York radio scene. The hosts criticize the production of the segment for displaying three names per frame, making it difficult for viewers to read.

Keywords: polly anthony, [grammy awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grammy-awards.md), [pancreatic cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pancreatic-cancer.md), record industry, [in memoriam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/in-memoriam.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/4.md)

### 5. CBS Censorship, Ken Ehrlich Production Criticism (9:06–11:44)

The CBS broadcast of the Grammy Awards is accused of hypocrisy for cutting away from same-sex kisses during the mass wedding segment. The hosts contrast this caution with the network's history, specifically the $200,000 fine following the Janet Jackson Super Bowl wardrobe malfunction. Longtime producer Ken Ehrlich is criticized as being out of touch, with the hosts suggesting Ryan Seacrest as a potential successor.

Keywords: [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md), [ken ehrlich](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ken-ehrlich.md), [janet jackson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-jackson.md), [super bowl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-bowl.md), [ryan seacrest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ryan-seacrest.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/5.md)

### 6. State of the Union, Media Coverage Aesthetics (11:44–14:51)

The 2014 State of the Union address drew 33.3 million viewers, a number the hosts find suspiciously symbolic. They mock the media coverage, specifically Wolf Blitzer's commentary on CNN and the lack of "red carpet" fashion analysis for female politicians. A brief tangent compares the attire of politicians to Taylor Swift's chainmail dress and her performance style at the Grammys.

Keywords: [state of the union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-of-the-union.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [wolf blitzer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wolf-blitzer.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [taylor swift](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taylor-swift.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Executive Orders, Obama Minimum Wage Mandate (14:51–19:19)

President Barack Obama's threat to use his "pen and phone" to bypass Congress via executive orders is analyzed as a move toward dictatorial power. The discussion focuses on his visit to a Maryland Costco where he promoted a $10.10 minimum wage for federal contractors. The hosts debate the constitutionality of Article 2 and the Democratic Party's increasing demand for executive action.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [executive orders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-orders.md), [minimum wage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minimum-wage.md), [costco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/costco.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Tom Perkins, Kristallnacht Comparison Controversy (19:19–24:34)

Venture capitalist Tom Perkins sparked outrage by sending a letter to the Wall Street Journal comparing the "demonization" of the wealthy 1% to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany. Perkins defended his ex-wife, author Danielle Steel, against public criticism in San Francisco. The hosts discuss the historical context of the "stab in the back" myth and the potential dangers of class warfare memes promoted by the administration.

Keywords: [tom perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-perkins.md), [kleiner perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kleiner-perkins.md), [wall street journal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street-journal.md), [nazi germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nazi-germany.md), [danielle steel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/danielle-steel.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Tom Perkins Bloomberg Interview, Minority Demonization (24:34–26:13)

In a Bloomberg interview, Tom Perkins expresses regret for using the word "Kristallnacht" but stands by his message regarding the demonization of successful minorities. He argues that the majority's resentment toward the "creative part of society" is a dangerous historical precedent. The hosts analyze his attempt to walk back the Nazi comparison while maintaining his stance on Occupy Wall Street.

Keywords: [tom perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-perkins.md), [bloomberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bloomberg.md), [kristallnacht](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kristallnacht.md), [occupy wall street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/occupy-wall-street.md), [wealth inequality](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wealth-inequality.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Wealth Tax Debate, Swiss Economic Model (26:13–29:26)

John C. Dvorak proposes a wealth tax as a solution to income inequality, suggesting it could eliminate the need for income tax for the 99%. He cites Switzerland as a model for taxing established wealth rather than active earnings. Adam Curry challenges this as "pinko commie" logic, arguing that the government would simply squander the additional revenue on military spending.

Keywords: [wealth tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wealth-tax.md), [income tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/income-tax.md), [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md), redistribution, [economic policy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-policy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/10.md)

### 11. San Francisco Gentrification, Tech Bus Protests (29:26–33:03)

The hosts discuss the growing local hostility toward tech employees in San Francisco, exemplified by protests against Google and Apple commuter buses. Dvorak characterizes these movements as an "extortion racket" similar to the Rainbow Coalition, suggesting they will disappear once tech companies provide payoffs. They debate whether this local resentment reflects a broader national trend of anti-business sentiment.

Keywords: [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [google bus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-bus.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [gentrification](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gentrification.md), [john doerr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-doerr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Obama Anti-Business Rhetoric, Ford Entrepreneur Narrative (33:04–37:46)

The hosts compare President Obama's campaign rhetoric to his State of the Union messaging, specifically the "you didn't build that" sentiment. They critique the story of Andra Rush, a Detroit entrepreneur highlighted by the President, noting she already owned a $400 million trucking company before receiving federal attention. The segment concludes that the administration remains fundamentally anti-rich despite its public praise for certain "elites."

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [ford motor company](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ford-motor-company.md), andra rush, [detroit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detroit.md), [infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Pre-Kindergarten Education, Common Core Indoctrination (37:47–40:12)

The push for government-financed pre-kindergarten is described by the hosts as "slave training" and early-stage state indoctrination. They compare the initiative to Spartan state-run institutions and the "Common Core" curriculum. The discussion suggests these programs are designed to mold children into compliant human resources for an "equality state."

Keywords: pre-kindergarten, [common core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), spartan education, [human resources](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-resources.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Presidential Atheism, God Bless America Marketing (40:14–42:28)

The hosts argue that President Obama is likely an atheist and that his use of "God Bless America" is a cynical marketing ploy. They trace the origin of the phrase in presidential speeches back to Richard Nixon in 1973. The segment also touches on the "flag lapel" controversy as an example of performative patriotism required of modern leaders.

Keywords: [richard nixon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-nixon.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [atheism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atheism.md), [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), [patriotism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriotism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Military Exploitation, Cory Remsburg Applause (42:29–43:56)

The emotional highlight of the State of the Union, featuring wounded Army Ranger Cory Remsburg, is criticized as a "sickening" misuse of a soldier's sacrifice to cover for failed foreign policy. The hosts question the continued U.S. presence in Afghanistan, citing poppy fields and mineral interests as the true motives. They argue that the standing ovation was a calculated move to distract from domestic issues.

Keywords: cory remsburg, [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [state of the union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-of-the-union.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [military](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/15.md)

### 16. State of the Union Constitutional Requirements, Media Preemption (44:00–48:30)

The hosts examine Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution, noting it only requires the President to provide information to Congress "from time to time" and does not mandate a televised speech. They suggest the event has become a "puppet theater of douchebags" and should be replaced by a written memo. Dvorak argues that if one network ran regular programming like NCIS during the speech, it would dominate the ratings.

Keywords: [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [article 2](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/article-2.md), [state of the union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-of-the-union.md), [eisenhower](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eisenhower.md), [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Senate Intelligence Committee, Code Pink Protest (48:31–52:54)

A Senate Intelligence Committee hearing featuring James Clapper and John Brennan is discussed, including a 2009 clip of Dianne Feinstein predicting a homeland attack. The hosts note a protest by Code Pink, observing that the group has seemingly hired "consultants" to use more attractive protesters for media attention. One protester is highlighted for "firing" Clapper and Brennan on behalf of the American people.

Keywords: [dianne feinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dianne-feinstein.md), [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [code pink](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/code-pink.md), [senate intelligence committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate-intelligence-committee.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Senatorial Incompetence, Snowden Name Errors (52:54–55:42)

Senators Susan Collins and Barbara Mikulski are mocked for repeatedly misidentifying Edward Snowden as "Edwin" and "Eric" during official hearings. The hosts argue this lack of basic factual knowledge demonstrates how out of touch the Senate is with the issues they oversee. They suggest the senators are simply reading scripts provided by handlers without understanding the subject matter.

Keywords: [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [susan collins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-collins.md), [barbara mikulski](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-mikulski.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [whistleblower](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblower.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/18.md)

### 19. James Clapper, Snowden Accomplice Allegations (55:42–57:12)

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testifies that Edward Snowden's disclosures have caused "profound damage" to national security and put lives at risk. Clapper refers to Snowden's "accomplices," a term the media interpreted as a threat to journalists like Glenn Greenwald. Clapper claims adversaries are "going to school" on U.S. intelligence methods due to the leaks.

Keywords: [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), foreign intelligence, [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Edward Snowden ARD Interview, CIA Operative Theory (57:13–1:00:00)

The hosts analyze Edward Snowden's interview with German network ARD, noting his specific use of the phrase "to accomplish my mission." They reiterate their theory that Snowden remains a CIA operative tasked with reining in the NSA. The segment highlights Snowden's refusal to answer why he joined the CIA as further evidence of his ongoing "company man" status.

Keywords: [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), ard, [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Executive Order 12333, CIA Domestic Spying Denial (1:00:01–1:01:51)

James Clapper's testimony regarding Executive Order 12333 is scrutinized, particularly his non-answer regarding CIA domestic spying. When asked if the CIA conducts searches of U.S. citizens, Clapper responds that the agency follows the "spirit of the law" rather than giving a direct denial. The hosts interpret this as a "performative" evasion typical of intelligence officials under oath.

Keywords: [executive order 12333](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order-12333.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [domestic spying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/domestic-spying.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Susan Collins, Three-Mile High Document Claim (1:01:52–1:08:22)

Senator Susan Collins cites a DIA assessment claiming Snowden stole 1.7 million documents, which she asserts would create a "three-mile high stack" if printed. John C. Dvorak performs a calculation to debunk the physical scale of this claim, estimating it would actually represent 48 million pages. The hosts argue the government is fabricating these numbers to frame Snowden's actions as a threat to military safety rather than a privacy issue.

Keywords: [susan collins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-collins.md), [dia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dia.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [sharepoint](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sharepoint.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Economic Spying, Siemens and Mercedes Surveillance (1:08:24–1:11:12)

In his ARD interview, Edward Snowden confirms that the U.S. engages in economic spying against German companies like Siemens and Mercedes. He states that if information is beneficial to U.S. national interests, the NSA will pursue it regardless of national security relevance. The hosts discuss the CIA tactic of placing stories in foreign press to allow U.S. media to report them as "vetted" facts.

Keywords: [siemens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/siemens.md), [mercedes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mercedes.md), economic spying, [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/23.md)

### 24. General Michael Flynn, Human Cost of Leaks (1:11:12–1:15:48)

DIA Director General Michael Flynn testifies that the "greatest cost" of the Snowden leaks will be measured in human lives on future battlefields. The hosts criticize this as a scripted narrative designed to link the leaks to the "wounded warrior" imagery used in the State of the Union. They argue the intelligence community is using emotional manipulation to justify a crackdown on whistleblowers.

Keywords: [michael flynn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-flynn.md), [dia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dia.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md), [wounded warriors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wounded-warriors.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Matthew Olsen, Terrorist Communication Shifts (1:15:49–1:20:23)

National Counterterrorism Center Director Matthew Olsen tells Senator Susan Collins that terrorist groups have changed their communication methods due to Snowden's disclosures. The hosts point out a logical flaw in the narrative: if the government knows exactly how and where terrorists have changed their behavior, they should be able to target them immediately. They conclude the testimony is a "hole in the narrative" designed for public consumption.

Keywords: [matthew olsen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matthew-olsen.md), [susan collins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-collins.md), [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Atlanta Ice Storm, No Agenda Episode 587 (1:20:25–1:22:53)

The hosts mock meteorologists for failing to predict the Atlanta ice storm while claiming to predict global warming decades in advance. They transition into the production details of No Agenda Episode 587, thanking artist Joshua Pettigrew for the cover art. Adam Curry addresses technical issues with his keyboard and previous audio filtering in the Horowitz show.

Keywords: [atlanta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlanta.md), [ice storm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice-storm.md), [meteorology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meteorology.md), [joshua pettigrew](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joshua-pettigrew.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Producer Donations, Nipah Villa Indonesia (1:22:53–1:28:02)

Executive producers Andrew Wilson and Paul Dowd are thanked for their $1,000 "instant knight" donations. Wilson shares news of his wife's 13-week pregnancy, while Dowd promotes his new holiday rental, Nipah Villa, located in Lombok, Indonesia. The hosts review the villa's website, noting its luxury amenities and private pool, and grant "milf karma" as requested.

Keywords: andrew wilson, paul dowd, lombok, [indonesia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indonesia.md), nipah villa

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Value for Value, Russian Formalism History (1:28:03–1:31:22)

Producers Dean Chartier and Daniel DeWess are recognized for their significant contributions. DeWess provides a historical perspective on the "value for value" model, comparing it to the Russian Formalists of 1910-1930 who sought independence from state-mandated information control. The hosts discuss the shift in modern education from the arts to STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math).

Keywords: dean chartier, daniel dewess, russian formalists, [stalin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stalin.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Listener Karma, Mechanical Keyboard Issues (1:31:22–1:35:31)

A series of smaller donations are read, including a request for "recovery karma" following an emergency appendectomy blamed on mac and cheese. Adam Curry experiences ongoing technical difficulties with his audio board, which Dvorak suggests might be a faulty potentiometer. The segment includes "de-douching" ceremonies for long-time listeners who have finally donated.

Keywords: [west virginia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/west-virginia.md), appendectomy, [mac and cheese](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mac-and-cheese.md), [de-douching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/de-douching.md), potentiometer

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/29.md)

### 30. British Car History, Rolls Royce Bellows (1:35:32–1:38:54)

John C. Dvorak shares an anecdote about the unreliable cruise control in his 1988 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow II. He explains that British engineers used a rubber bellows system for the mechanism, which would eventually become porous and fail. This leads to a broader discussion on the eccentricities of British motorcycle and automotive engineering.

Keywords: [rolls royce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rolls-royce.md), silver shadow ii, [cruise control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cruise-control.md), bellows, british engineering

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/30.md)

### 31. The 2030 Club, Carbon Emission Targets (1:38:54–1:40:35)

The "2030" meme is highlighted as a recurring deadline for globalist agendas, with NPR reporting on Greenpeace's demand for a 55% cut in carbon emissions by that year. The hosts promote their "2030 Club" and note that various domains like 2030.com have been registered to point to the No Agenda show. They characterize 2030 as the new "year of Armageddon" for climate activists.

Keywords: [2030 club](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2030-club.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [greenpeace](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greenpeace.md), [carbon emissions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-emissions.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Brian Heiss, Russia Gay Propaganda White Paper (1:40:42–1:43:46)

Brian Heiss, known as "Brian the Gay Crusader," released a 129-page white paper deconstructing U.S. propaganda regarding Russian anti-gay laws. The hosts praise the document for its thoroughness and its impact on Reddit communities where users admitted to being misled by coordinated media narratives. The paper argues that the situation for LGBTQ+ individuals in Russia is being misrepresented to punish Putin for harboring Snowden.

Keywords: brian heiss, gay crusader, [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [white paper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-paper.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Uprising of Love, Celebrity Activism Scams (1:43:46–1:48:52)

The "Uprising of Love" organization and an upcoming Amnesty International concert featuring Pussy Riot are criticized as financial scams. The hosts trace the funding back to billionaire John Lloyd Stryker and the Arcus Foundation. They argue that these celebrity-led initiatives primarily benefit the organizers' salaries and expenses rather than providing actual aid to activists in Russia.

Keywords: melissa etheridge, [madonna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/madonna.md), [pussy riot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pussy-riot.md), [amnesty international](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amnesty-international.md), john lloyd striker

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/33.md)

### 34. BBC Sochi Report, Mayor Anatoly Pakhomov (1:48:52–1:52:05)

A BBC report on the Sochi Olympics is analyzed for its biased translation of the city's mayor, Anatoly Pakhomov. The mayor's comments about the absence of a gay community in Sochi are presented as "draconian," while the hosts point out the existence of gay bars in the city that the reporter actually visited. They encourage listeners to read the Heiss white paper to understand the "F Russia" media column.

Keywords: [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [sochi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sochi.md), [olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/olympics.md), anatoly pakhomov, [gay bars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gay-bars.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Eastern Partnership, EU-Russia Buffer States (1:52:05–1:55:23)

Herman Van Rompuy and Vladimir Putin met in Brussels to discuss the "Eastern Partnership," a joint initiative involving former Soviet states like Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova. The hosts explain that Russia views these nations as essential buffer states against European expansion, a policy dating back to the 1700s. The tension arises from the EU's attempts to integrate these "pipeline states" into its economic sphere.

Keywords: [herman van rompuy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/herman-van-rompuy.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), eastern partnership, [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [belarus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belarus.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/35.md)

### 36. DCFTA Agreement, Ukraine Trade Theater (1:55:24–1:58:21)

The conflict in Ukraine is identified as a dispute over the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA) agreement, not full EU membership. President Viktor Yanukovych suspended the agreement after Russian pressure, leading to the Euromaidan protests. The hosts suggest the unrest is "theater" used by both the U.S. State Department and Russia to gain leverage at the negotiating table in Brussels.

Keywords: dcfta, [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [viktor yanukovych](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viktor-yanukovych.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Digital Maidan, Social Media Warfare (1:58:21–1:59:54)

The "Digital Maidan" hashtag campaign is described as a coordinated effort to propel Ukrainian anti-government sentiment to the top of global Twitter trends. Protesters in Kiev's Independence Square are using virtual "sieges" to lobby international leaders for sanctions against the Ukrainian authorities. The hosts compare this to previous social media-driven conflicts in Georgia.

Keywords: digital maidan, [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [kiev](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kiev.md), euromaidan, [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Intellectual Property, Ukrainian Brand Phase-Outs (1:59:54–2:02:04)

Under the proposed EU association agreement, Ukraine would be forced to phase out the use of protected European brand names like Champagne, Cognac, and Feta. Ukrainian producers would have 10 years to stop using wine-related terms and 7 years for cheese names like Parmigiano Reggiano. The agreement also prohibits the interruption of energy transit through Ukrainian pipelines.

Keywords: [champagne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/champagne.md), [cognac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cognac.md), feta, [intellectual property](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intellectual-property.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/38.md)

### 39. BWD Public Relations, Vitali Klitschko Wealth (2:02:06–2:06:36)

The "Digital Maidan" website is traced to a New York-based public relations firm, BWD (gobwd.com), suggesting U.S. State Department involvement in the Ukrainian protests. Opposition leader and former boxer Vitali Klitschko is noted for his $65 million net worth, which the hosts argue allows him to fund significant PR and activist operations. The firm also manages sites related to the "Holodomor" Ukrainian genocide.

Keywords: bwd, [vitali klitschko](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vitali-klitschko.md), [new york](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), holodomor

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Fire Extinguisher Prank, Safety Equipment Shelf Life (2:06:35–2:09:09)

A video of Vitali Klitschko being sprayed with a powder fire extinguisher during a protest leads to a discussion on the reliability of safety equipment. Adam Curry recalls his time at Ford Motor Company where a fire extinguisher failed during a small fire. They discuss the mandatory shelf life and maintenance requirements for extinguishers in aircraft and ships.

Keywords: [vitali klitschko](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vitali-klitschko.md), fire extinguisher, [cessna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cessna.md), [safety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/safety.md), [richmond](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richmond.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/40.md)

### 41. HSBC Cash Restrictions, Fractional Reserve Banking (2:09:10–2:12:41)

Reports from the UK indicate that HSBC has begun restricting large cash withdrawals, requiring customers to provide documentation for the intended use of their money. The hosts explain this as a symptom of fractional reserve banking, where banks lack the physical cash to cover all deposits. While the media frames this as protection against scammers, the hosts see it as a sign of banking instability.

Keywords: [hsbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hsbc.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), cash withdrawal, [banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking.md), [money laundering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/money-laundering.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Banker Suicides, Jesse Ryan Loskarn Case (2:12:41–2:16:49)

A string of high-profile banker suicides, including a JP Morgan executive who fell from a 33-story building, is discussed alongside the death of Jesse Ryan Loskarn. Loskarn, an aide to Senator Lamar Alexander, reportedly committed suicide by hanging after being indicted on child pornography charges. The hosts find the evidence against Loskarn—two movies on a hard drive found outside his window—to be "sketchy" and potentially part of a larger DC scandal.

Keywords: [jp morgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jp-morgan.md), lamar alexander, jesse ryan loskarn, [child pornography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/child-pornography.md), [washington dc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-dc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Domestic Drones, Eric Holder Testimony (2:16:49–2:19:44)

Attorney General Eric Holder testifies before the Justice Department Oversight Committee that the FBI is currently the only component using drones operationally within the U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy expresses concern over the "Orwellian aspect" of domestic drone surveillance. Holder defends the use of unmanned aerial systems for law enforcement purposes, citing a hostage situation in Alabama as a successful application.

Keywords: [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [patrick leahy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patrick-leahy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Guantanamo Bay Costs, Detainee Disposition (2:19:46–2:24:39)

Senator Dick Durbin highlights the extreme cost of maintaining Guantanamo Bay, noting it costs $2.7 million per year per detainee compared to $78,000 in a maximum-security prison in Colorado. The hosts criticize President Obama for failing to use his executive power to close the facility despite his 2011 order. They also flag Durbin's use of the word "dispose" when discussing the future of the 155 remaining detainees.

Keywords: [guantanamo bay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guantanamo-bay.md), [dick durbin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dick-durbin.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), florence colorado

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Grassley Amendment, Federal Prison Growth (2:24:40–2:28:08)

A heated exchange between Senators Durbin and Grassley reveals that the "Grassley Amendment" forced members of Congress and their staff into the Affordable Care Act. Durbin mocks Grassley for making congressional staff pay more for healthcare. Additionally, Holder testifies that the federal prison population has grown 500% in 30 years, now consuming one-third of the Justice Department's budget.

Keywords: [chuck grassley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-grassley.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), [affordable care act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affordable-care-act.md), federal prisons, [justice department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justice-department.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Listener Donations, F-Cancer Karma (2:28:19–2:32:23)

The hosts read a series of donations from listeners in various locations, including a request for "F-cancer karma" for a friend's wife in Israel. They grant "job karma" to a donor from Oklahoma and "69 karma" to several others. The segment includes a correction regarding a missed request from a previous show and general thanks to the "No Agenda" community.

Keywords: [abbotsford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abbotsford.md), [oklahoma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oklahoma.md), [san diego](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-diego.md), [kansas city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kansas-city.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Knighting Ceremony, No Agenda Racing (2:32:23–2:36:16)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conduct a formal knighting ceremony for Andrew Wilson, Paul Dowd, and Dean Chartier for their $1,000+ contributions. They are officially dubbed "Sir Andrew," "Sir Paul," and "Sir Dean" and invited to the No Agenda roundtable. The hosts also wish a happy birthday to Sir Andrew Gardner of No Agenda Racing.

Keywords: andrew wilson, paul dowd, dean chartier, [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Fethullah Gulen, Turkey Political Rift (2:36:17–2:40:40)

The rift between Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan and the Pennsylvania-based cleric Fethullah Gulen is analyzed. The hosts suggest the CIA helped Gulen establish his compound and that his "Hizmet" movement is working to slow down Erdogan's rapid Islamification of Turkey. The economic instability in Turkey, including the tanking lira, is viewed as a coordinated attack to weaken Erdogan before local elections.

Keywords: [fethullah gulen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fethullah-gulen.md), [recep tayyip erdogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recep-tayyip-erdogan.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [pennsylvania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pennsylvania.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Super Bowl XLVIII, Rigged Game Theory (2:40:43–2:46:11)

The hosts apply their "rigged game" model to Super Bowl XLVIII between the Seattle Seahawks and the Denver Broncos. While Curry has an instinctual feeling for Seattle, Dvorak argues the "sympathy vote" for Peyton Manning and Denver's economic needs make them the likely winners. They also discuss the potential for the game to be used to further damage New Jersey Governor Chris Christie's reputation.

Keywords: [super bowl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-bowl.md), [seattle seahawks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seattle-seahawks.md), [denver broncos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denver-broncos.md), [peyton manning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peyton-manning.md), [chris christie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-christie.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Bitcoin Arrests, Chinese Red Wine Consumption (2:46:12–2:49:55)

Charlie Shrem, vice chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation, was arrested for money laundering, which the hosts compare to the legal laundering performed by major banks like HSBC. In other news, China has surpassed France as the world's top consumer of red wine. Dvorak expresses skepticism, noting that European-style wine does not traditionally pair with Chinese cuisine and suggests the buying binge is for status or collection.

Keywords: [bitcoin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bitcoin.md), charlie shrem, [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [red wine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-wine.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Media Shield Law, Jimmy Fallon Board (2:49:56–2:54:28)

Attorney General Eric Holder discusses the "Free Flow of Information Act," a media shield law that would require journalists to be licensed by the government. Holder mentions a "people board" being assembled to oversee the process, which the hosts mock as a violation of the First Amendment. The show concludes with a reminder of the "value for value" model and a sign-off for the next episode.

Keywords: [media shield law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-shield-law.md), [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [chuck schumer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-schumer.md), [jimmy fallon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jimmy-fallon.md), [freedom of the press](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freedom-of-the-press.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/587-people-the-board/chapter/51.md)

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