# Scripted Fat Talk > National security officials double down on surveillance as global conflicts in South Sudan and corporate data breaches at Target dominate the year-end news cycle. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 577 - **Published:** 2013-12-26 - **Length:** 3h 2m - **Topics:** Snowden Amnesty, [Gulen Movement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gulen-movement.md), [South Sudan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-sudan.md), [Windows 8](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows-8.md), Target Breach, [Special K](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/special-k.md), FDR Drive - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk ## About this episode National Security Advisor Susan Rice and former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell appeared on major networks this week to reject amnesty for Edward Snowden. Rice, speaking on 60 Minutes, dismissed the possibility of a deal despite admissions that the intelligence community provided false representations to the FISA court. The administration maintains that Snowden must return to the United States to face trial, while media narratives increasingly frame the whistleblower as a Russian provocateur. Congressman Mike Rogers defended the NSA Section 215 program following a White House advisory report, while President Obama used his final press conference of the year to sidestep questions on the efficacy of metadata collection. In the private sector, CleverSafe is emerging as a primary candidate for third-party data storage under new surveillance proposals. Meanwhile, the FBI conducted a raid on the Kenilworth Charter School in Baton Rouge, signaling a federal crackdown on the Turkish Gulen movement. In South Sudan, UN Ambassador Samantha Power announced the deployment of 5,500 additional peacekeepers as violence escalates near Chinese-owned oil pipelines. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deconstruct the "vagina logic" of modern software design seen in the Windows 8 interface and Kellogg’s latest Special K marketing blitz. The duo also explores the historical oddity of New York’s FDR Drive being constructed from World War II rubble from Bristol. Sir Robert Tennant joins the No Agenda Roundtable as the latest knighted executive producer during this year-end broadcast. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/transcript.md. ### 1. Skype Performance Issues, Windows 8 Interface Critique (0:00–2:23) The hosts critique the performance and design of Skype on a new Windows 8 machine, noting that the application's full-screen layout is inefficient for large monitors. They discuss the transition of Skype from a peer-to-peer service to a Microsoft-integrated product. Technical difficulties with audio quality are attributed to the operating system's handling of the application. Keywords: [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [windows 8](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows-8.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [user interface](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/user-interface.md), [fiber optic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiber-optic.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/1.md) ### 2. The Domain Austin, Urban Lifestyle Developments (2:24–6:35) A visit to "The Domain" in Austin, Texas, is described as a "Stepford Wives" type experience featuring a mix of high-end retail and residential condos. The development is compared to "The Grove" in Los Angeles and Disney's "Celebration" community. Observations are made regarding the identical aesthetic of the Apple Store and the nearby Microsoft Store, specifically noting the responsiveness of Windows 8 touch devices. Keywords: [the domain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-domain.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), urban lifestyle, [apple store](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple-store.md), microsoft store [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Windows 8 Design, Vagina Logic Concept (6:35–8:17) The discussion focuses on the perceived "dumbing down" of software design in Windows 8, specifically the use of large tiles and the inability to easily resize windows. A specific design philosophy is jokingly labeled "vagina logic" to describe an interface that prioritizes aesthetic simplicity over technical utility. The hosts contrast this with the efficiency of traditional terminal windows. Keywords: [windows 8](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows-8.md), [user interface](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/user-interface.md), [design](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/design.md), [productivity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/productivity.md), [software](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/software.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Susan Rice Interview, Edward Snowden Amnesty Debate (8:17–13:11) National Security Advisor Susan Rice appeared on 60 Minutes with Leslie Stahl to discuss the potential for granting Edward Snowden amnesty. Rice maintained the administration's position that Snowden must return to the United States to face trial, despite suggestions from some intelligence officials that a deal could prevent further document leaks. The hosts analyze Rice's demeanor and her professional background as the daughter of a Federal Reserve governor. Keywords: [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [amnesty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amnesty.md), [leslie stahl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leslie-stahl.md), [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Intelligence Community Misrepresentations, Tech Company Complicity (13:11–15:43) Susan Rice's admission that the intelligence community "inadvertently" made false representations to the FISA court is scrutinized. The discussion shifts to a media meme suggesting that major tech companies are upset about government surveillance. The hosts argue that these companies are actually complicit, maintaining entire departments dedicated to facilitating government data requests. Keywords: [fisa court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa-court.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [tech companies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-companies.md), [prism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Advertising Budgets, Media Silence on Major Corporations (15:44–18:34) The hosts observe a lack of critical reporting on major companies with large advertising budgets, such as GoDaddy, Carbonite, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They argue that significant PR spending effectively buys media silence. The current lack of news is attributed to PR departments being closed for the holidays, leading to a reliance on "best of" retrospectives and celebrity clickbait. Keywords: [godaddy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/godaddy.md), [carbonite](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbonite.md), [bill and melinda gates foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation.md), [native advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-advertising.md), [pr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pr.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Prism Slide Fallout, Tech Industry Reputation Management (18:36–21:00) The tech industry's reaction to the Prism slide leaks is characterized as a massive cover-up effort to protect overseas business interests. The hosts dismiss claims that the initial reporting on Prism was debunked, asserting that tech companies were fully integrated into the government's surveillance apparatus from the beginning. Keywords: [prism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), [tech companies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-companies.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [reputation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reputation.md), [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Susan Rice Background, Affirmative Action Comments (21:01–24:21) Biographical details of Susan Rice are discussed, including her marriage to former ABC News producer Ian Cameron and her upbringing on Embassy Row in Washington D.C. Rice's public resentment toward the idea that her success was due to affirmative action is analyzed. The hosts suggest her elite background as a Rhodes Scholar and daughter of a Fed official makes the affirmative action debate irrelevant to her career path. Keywords: [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), ian cameron, [affirmative action](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affirmative-action.md), [rhodes scholar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rhodes-scholar.md), [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Mike Morell Interview, Edward Snowden Patriotism Challenge (24:22–28:45) Former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell appeared on Face the Nation to argue against amnesty for Edward Snowden. Morell challenged Snowden's claim of being a patriot, suggesting that if he truly wanted a debate on civil liberties, he should return to the U.S. to be judged. The hosts mock Morell's physical appearance and his dismissal of Snowden's attempts to use internal whistleblower channels. Keywords: [mike morell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-morell.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [whistleblower](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblower.md), [face the nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/face-the-nation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Mike Rogers, NSA Surveillance Report Defense (28:45–31:05) Congressman Mike Rogers defended the NSA's Section 215 program on ABC's This Week, claiming a recent advisory report found no evidence of scandal or illegal surveillance. The hosts dispute Rogers' characterization of the report, noting that the panel consisted of insiders like Richard Clark and Mike Morell. They argue the report actually recommends shifting data storage to private third parties rather than ending collection. Keywords: [mike rogers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-rogers.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [richard clark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-clark.md), [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Holiday Terror Threats, Al-Qaeda Affiliate Growth Claims (31:06–34:01) George Stephanopoulos and Mike Rogers discussed potential terror threats during the Christmas season, citing the rise of Al-Qaeda affiliates in the Maghreb and Arabian Peninsula. The hosts criticize the lack of evidence for these claims, characterizing the rhetoric as a tactic to terrorize the American public. A brief tangent mentions the inclusion of "Festivus" in holiday greetings on Southwest Airlines. Keywords: [mike rogers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-rogers.md), [george stephanopoulos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-stephanopoulos.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md), [festivus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/festivus.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/11.md) ### 12. FBI and NSA Cooperation, Surveillance Report Shortcomings (34:01–36:35) Mike Rogers expressed frustration that the presidential advisory panel on surveillance did not sufficiently consult the FBI. Rogers argued that the FBI relies on NSA data to stop terrorists, while the hosts suggest the FBI avoids the "NSA goop" to protect their own methods of entrapment. The segment concludes that the report serves to validate the spying program rather than reform it. Keywords: [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [mike rogers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-rogers.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Obama Press Conference, Skip Town Lingo (36:35–40:28) President Obama's final press conference of 2013 is analyzed, specifically his use of the phrase "skip town" to describe leaving Washington D.C. for the holidays. The hosts interpret this as "criminal lingo" that reflects a negative attitude toward the capital. They also note Obama's avoidance of direct questions regarding the lack of results from the NSA's metadata program. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [press conference](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/press-conference.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [washington dc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-dc.md), lingo [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/13.md) ### 14. White House Press Corps, Camera Noise Theory (40:28–43:42) The hosts discuss the technical aspects of White House press conferences, specifically the loud clicking of cameras that often drowns out journalists' questions. They propose a theory that the noise is intentionally permitted to make the audio of poignant questions unusable for broadcast, allowing the administration to control the narrative by only airing the President's scripted answers. Keywords: [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md), [audio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audio.md), [cameras](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cameras.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Edward Snowden Alternative Christmas Message, Channel 4 (43:45–48:45) Edward Snowden delivered an "Alternative Christmas Message" on the UK's Channel 4, produced by Praxis Films. Snowden warned that children born today will grow up with no conception of privacy due to mass surveillance, referencing George Orwell's 1984. The hosts criticize the poor audio quality of the recording and the scripted nature of the speech, which they suggest was written by a professional speechwriter. Keywords: [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [channel 4](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/channel-4.md), christmas message, [george orwell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-orwell.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/15.md) ### 16. CNN Reaction to Snowden, Selective Leaks Narrative (48:45–52:37) CNN's coverage of Snowden's Christmas message is analyzed, with the network characterizing him as a "provocateur" rather than a whistleblower. The hosts highlight the media's focus on Snowden's presence in Russia and the use of the term "so-called proxies" to describe the journalists reporting on the leaked documents. They argue the media is attempting to frame the leaks as damaging to U.S. prestige. Keywords: [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [proxies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/proxies.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/16.md) ### 17. CleverSafe, Third-Party Metadata Storage (52:37–56:15) CleverSafe, a Chicago-based data storage company with ties to In-Q-Tel and former intelligence officials, is identified as a likely candidate for storing NSA metadata under new third-party storage proposals. The company uses information dispersal algorithms to slice and distribute data across multiple geographic locations. The hosts express concern over the centralization of intelligence data with a private entity that also handles commercial data. Keywords: cleversafe, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [data storage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-storage.md), [in-q-tel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/in-q-tel.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Chaos Computer Club, Intelligence Community Non-Disclosure (56:15–59:19) The upcoming Computer Chaos Club meeting in Germany is noted as a gathering spot for figures like Jacob Appelbaum and Laura Poitras. The discussion moves to the legal constraints on former intelligence officials like Dennis Blair, who are bound by lifelong non-disclosure agreements. The hosts explain that these officials must legally pretend leaked documents do not exist, even when they are in the public domain. Keywords: [chaos computer club](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chaos-computer-club.md), [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), [dennis blair](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dennis-blair.md), [non-disclosure agreement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/non-disclosure-agreement.md), [berlin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berlin.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Fareed Zakaria Interview, Najibullah Zazi Case (59:20–1:02:51) Former DNI Dennis Blair appeared on Fareed Zakaria's program to defend the NSA's metadata program, citing the 2009 Najibullah Zazi subway bomb plot as a success story. The hosts argue that the Zazi case was actually an FBI sting and that the intelligence community is scrambling to find any example of the metadata program thwarting an attack to justify its constitutionality. Keywords: [fareed zakaria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fareed-zakaria.md), [dennis blair](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dennis-blair.md), [najibullah zazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/najibullah-zazi.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Attorney General Warrant Exceptions, Scale vs Principles (1:02:52–1:06:10) The hosts discuss a provision in the surveillance advisory report that would allow the Attorney General to bypass warrant requirements in cases of "imminent harm." They argue this creates a loophole for high-frequency surveillance approvals. Dennis Blair's comment that the program is a "question of scale, not principles" is highlighted as a dismissal of constitutional concerns in favor of big data capabilities. Keywords: [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [warrants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/warrants.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [big data](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/big-data.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/20.md) ### 21. No Agenda Episode 577 Introduction, Artist Credit (1:06:11–1:08:18) Hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak officially open the donation segment of Episode 577. They thank artist Eric Zempel for the previous episode's artwork and encourage listeners to submit art for the current show. The hosts acknowledge the international audience, particularly those celebrating Boxing Day in Europe. Keywords: [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), eric zempel, [podcast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Executive Producer Credits, William Hague Clip (1:08:18–1:14:00) The hosts read donations from Executive Producers including James Dobler, Sir Gene Natuliev, Sir Hank Meanwell, and Baron Dr. Sharky. A clip of UK Foreign Secretary William Hague is played, in which he claims British intelligence exists only to "protect freedoms." The hosts use this clip to grant "karma" to donors, mocking the irony of Hague's statement. Keywords: [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [william hague](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-hague.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/22.md) ### 23. No Agenda Infrastructure, Professor Russ Stanford Appointment (1:14:00–1:17:08) The hosts discuss the show's value proposition as an alternative to holiday media retrospectives. They announce that the show's "official brain professor," Russ, has accepted a tenured position at Stanford University. Despite the new role, Russ intends to keep his No Agenda title on his LinkedIn profile. Listeners are directed to the show's websites for more information. Keywords: [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [stanford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stanford.md), professor russ, brain professor, [linkedin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/linkedin.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Forensic Science Skepticism, DNA and Chimeras (1:17:08–1:21:04) A document provided by Professor Russ highlights growing scientific skepticism regarding traditional forensics like fingerprints and ballistics, labeling them "junk science." The discussion explores how these methods are often used to impress jurors rather than provide scientific certainty. The hosts also touch on the complexities of DNA evidence, including the phenomenon of chimeras where individuals possess two sets of DNA. Keywords: [forensics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/forensics.md), junk science, [dna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna.md), [fingerprints](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fingerprints.md), chimeras [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/24.md) ### 25. LGBTQQI Terminology, Social Dynamics in Gay Bars (1:21:05–1:22:46) The hosts discuss the expanding LGBTQQI acronym and share observations about social dynamics within the community. They mention the frequency of transgender women identifying as lesbians and report on claims of internal bullying between different subgroups, such as lesbians in gay bars. Keywords: lgbtqqi, [transgender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transgender.md), [social dynamics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-dynamics.md), [gay bars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gay-bars.md), [bullying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bullying.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Russian Anti-Gay Laws, Media Propaganda Analysis (1:22:47–1:27:03) The hosts analyze the Western media's portrayal of Russian anti-gay laws, suggesting that the situation is exaggerated for propaganda purposes. They argue that Russian laws specifically target the promotion of "non-traditional lifestyles" to minors rather than criminalizing homosexuality itself. The discussion touches on the Pussy Riot case and the difficulty of discussing these nuances with people influenced by mainstream media narratives. Keywords: [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), anti-gay laws, [pussy riot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pussy-riot.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Freedom Club of the United States, Debt Relief Pitch (1:27:04–1:29:12) An investigation into the "Freedom Club of the United States" reveals what appears to be a pyramid scheme. The organization lures individuals with claims that credit card debts and mortgages are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash that never needs to be repaid. The hosts examine the "ambassador" model used to spread these financial offers. Keywords: freedom club, [debt relief](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-relief.md), pyramid scheme, [credit cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/credit-cards.md), financial freedom [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Strawman Theory, Sovereign Citizen Concepts (1:29:11–1:35:01) The hosts deconstruct the "Strawman" theory, a staple of sovereign citizen movements, which claims that every individual has a corporate twin created at birth by the government. The theory suggests that legal names in all capital letters refer to these corporations rather than the living person. While acknowledging the internal logic of the theory, the hosts dismiss it as a dangerous path that leads to legal trouble. Keywords: strawman, [common law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-law.md), admiralty law, [corporation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporation.md), legal entity [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/28.md) ### 29. Fractional Reserve Banking, Birth Account Value Claims (1:35:01–1:37:43) The discussion covers claims that fractional reserve banking creates money from a "birth account" using an individual's signature as collateral. The theory posits that every American is assigned a value of approximately $9.2 million at birth, which the banking system then exploits. The hosts explore the idea of the United States being registered as a legal business entity rather than a traditional government. Keywords: [fractional reserve banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fractional-reserve-banking.md), birth accounts, [human resources](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-resources.md), [banking fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking-fraud.md), legal entity [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Quantum Energetics, Emotional Damage Clearing (1:37:44–1:39:31) The Freedom Club also promotes a program called "Quantum Energetics," founded by a "Reverend Tom." The program claims to clear away emotional damage and negative experiences from past lives through a unique clearing process. The hosts find the inclusion of this spiritual program alongside financial schemes to be a curious combination. Keywords: quantum energetics, reverend tom, emotional healing, past life, [therapy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/therapy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/30.md) ### 31. 1933 Bankruptcy Myth, James Traficant Quote (1:39:31–1:42:52) The hosts debunk a widely circulated internet article claiming the U.S. government went bankrupt in 1933. The article relies on a quote from Congressman James Traficant that was taken out of context; Traficant was speaking facetiously about a budget rule, not declaring a legal bankruptcy. The misinformation has been used to support theories about the U.S. becoming a socialist democracy under a secret governor. Keywords: james traficant, 1933 bankruptcy, emergency banking act, congressional record, [misinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/misinformation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/31.md) ### 32. Alternative News Echo Chambers, InfoWars and Rense (1:42:53–1:45:22) The 1933 bankruptcy myth is traced through various alternative news sites, including InfoWars, Rense, and Before It's News. The hosts express frustration that these platforms run the same unverified articles "full cloth" without performing basic research. They highlight how a single joke in Congress can become an established fact within the conspiracy theory echo chamber. Keywords: [infowars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infowars.md), rense, before it's news, [misinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/misinformation.md), [echo chamber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echo-chamber.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/32.md) ### 33. Fukushima Lawsuits, Media Manipulation of Science (1:45:22–1:47:52) The hosts examine sensationalized headlines regarding U.S. sailors suing the Navy over radiation exposure at Fukushima. They argue that many of these stories are manipulated by interests in the gas and supplement industries to sell products like iodine drops. They also point out that a widely shared "toxic cloud" map was actually a NOAA map of ocean currents, not atmospheric radiation. Keywords: [fukushima](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fukushima.md), [us navy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/us-navy.md), [t. boone pickens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/t-boone-pickens.md), iodine drops, [radiation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radiation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/33.md) ### 34. Justine Sacco Tweet, Today Show Reporting (1:47:52–1:52:25) The Today Show's coverage of PR executive Justine Sacco's offensive tweet about AIDS in Africa is criticized for its lack of detail. The hosts note that the media failed to mention Sacco's employer, IAC, or the specific text of the tweet, focusing instead on the "powerful" internet reaction. They question why a person with only 100 followers became a global news story, suggesting the outrage was manufactured. Keywords: justine sacco, [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [today show](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/today-show.md), iac, [barry diller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barry-diller.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/34.md) ### 35. Dallas Buyers Club, AZT and FDA Critique (1:52:26–1:54:39) The film "The Dallas Buyers Club" is discussed for its portrayal of the FDA and the drug AZT during the early AIDS crisis. The hosts argue the movie supports the theory that high doses of AZT were toxic to patients, but criticize the film's final disclaimer which claimed low doses of the drug eventually saved millions. They view this as a legal move to avoid lawsuits from pharmaceutical companies. Keywords: dallas buyers club, [matthew mcconaughey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matthew-mcconaughey.md), [azt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/azt.md), [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), hiv/aids [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/35.md) ### 36. Photoshop in Media, Matt Lauer Truthfulness (1:54:39–1:57:49) A Today Show segment on extreme airbrushing in magazines leads to a rare moment of transparency from Matt Lauer, who stated that viewers "cannot believe anything you see in print or television." The hosts highlight this as an admission of the media's inherent unreliability, even as the show continues to run viral YouTube content as news. Keywords: [photoshop](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photoshop.md), airbrushing, [today show](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/today-show.md), [matt lauer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-lauer.md), [media skepticism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-skepticism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/36.md) ### 37. Special K Fat Talk Campaign, Vagina Advertising Logic (1:57:49–2:03:33) Kellogg's Special K launched a PR campaign titled "Fight Fat Talk," which encourages women to stop self-deprecating comments about their weight. The hosts characterize this as "vagina advertising logic," where a brand sells diet products by co-opting a social empowerment message. They note that the campaign has been picked up by major media outlets like the BBC and the Today Show. Keywords: [special k](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/special-k.md), [kellogg's](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kellogg-s.md), fat talk, [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [pr campaign](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pr-campaign.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/37.md) ### 38. International Donations, Macon Georgia Anecdote (2:03:33–2:06:30) Donations are acknowledged from listeners in Australia and New Zealand. A donor from Macon, Georgia, prompts an anecdote about the city's massive bug zappers and the resulting piles of dead insects. The hosts also prepare for a "make it rain" segment to honor specific donors. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [new zealand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-zealand.md), [macon georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macon-georgia.md), bug zappers [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/38.md) ### 39. In the Morning Club, Strip Club Parody (2:06:31–2:08:08) The hosts perform a scripted parody of a strip club announcer to acknowledge female donors Tracy, Inga Mae, Lily Satou, and Sabine. The segment features exaggerated voice acting and humorous descriptions of the "performers" as an "exit strategy" for the hosts' careers. Keywords: [strip club](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strip-club.md), [parody](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parody.md), [voice acting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voice-acting.md), [entertainment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/entertainment.md), [donors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donors.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/39.md) ### 40. Year-End Donor List, Birthday Shoutouts (2:08:09–2:12:17) A long list of donors is read, including those contributing $111.11, $100, and the "69 dudes" category. The hosts give birthday shoutouts to Paul Darling, who turned 50 on Christmas Eve, and Norman Peterson. They emphasize the importance of year-end support as listeners often face financial constraints in the new year. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [69 dudes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/69-dudes.md), [year-end](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/year-end.md), [community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/community.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/40.md) ### 41. Knighting Ceremony, Sir Robert Tennant (2:12:17–2:13:51) Robert Tennant is knighted into the "No Agenda Roundtable" after contributing over $1,000 to the show. The ceremony includes the traditional recitation of humorous and eclectic items associated with the knighthood. The hosts remind the audience of the final show of 2013 scheduled for the following Sunday. Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), robert tennant, [no agenda roundtable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-roundtable.md), [ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceremony.md), [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/41.md) ### 42. Paul Walker Charity, Reach Out Worldwide Analysis (2:13:50–2:19:54) Following the death of actor Paul Walker, his charity "Reach Out Worldwide" is scrutinized. The hosts argue that a viral video showing Walker's work in Haiti was a high-end PR production. Financial filings suggest the charity was used to stash car collection investments tax-free, with very little actual cash reaching those in need. Most expenses were attributed to travel and accounting rather than direct aid. Keywords: [paul walker](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-walker.md), reach out worldwide, [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [charity fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charity-fraud.md), celebrity foundations [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/42.md) ### 43. George Clooney, Satellite Sentinel Project Funding (2:19:55–2:23:59) The "Satellite Sentinel Project," publicly fronted by George Clooney to monitor Sudan, is revealed to be funded by the Center for American Progress (CAP) via the "Enough Project." CAP was founded by John Podesta, a top advisor to President Obama. The hosts argue that Clooney is not spending his own money on the project, which serves as a tool for the administration's foreign policy agenda. Keywords: [george clooney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-clooney.md), [satellite sentinel project](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satellite-sentinel-project.md), enough project, [center for american progress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/center-for-american-progress.md), [john podesta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-podesta.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/43.md) ### 44. John Pendergrass, South Sudan Genocide Warnings (2:24:00–2:27:22) John Pendergrass, a former National Security Council official and director at the Center for American Progress, is identified as the handler for George Clooney's activism. Reports from South Sudan suggest an imminent "Rwanda-like" genocide between the Dinka and Luo tribes. The hosts note that Clooney has been quiet about the current violence as he promotes his new film, "Monuments Men." Keywords: john pendergrass, [south sudan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-sudan.md), dinka, [genocide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/genocide.md), [national security council](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security-council.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/44.md) ### 45. Samantha Power, South Sudan Troop Deployment (2:27:23–2:30:51) U.S. Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power discussed the deployment of additional peacekeepers to South Sudan following reports of mass graves and atrocities. The hosts criticize Power's performance, noting her use of "ums and ahs" and her description of military intervention as a "product." They suggest she is out of her depth and disconnected from the realities of war. Keywords: [samantha power](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/samantha-power.md), [south sudan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-sudan.md), [un](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/un.md), [peacekeepers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peacekeepers.md), [atrocities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atrocities.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/45.md) ### 46. UN Peacekeeper Realignments, South Sudan Oil Interests (2:30:51–2:34:06) The UN Security Council authorized an increase of 5,500 peacekeepers for South Sudan. The hosts highlight the strategic importance of the oil pipeline running from South Sudan to the Red Sea, which is largely owned by Chinese interests. They suggest the U.S. intervention is motivated by a desire to control oil prices and regional influence. Keywords: [south sudan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-sudan.md), [un peacekeepers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/un-peacekeepers.md), [oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [red sea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-sea.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/46.md) ### 47. FDR Drive Rubble, World War II Ballast (2:34:07–2:35:44) An interesting historical anecdote reveals that the FDR Drive in New York City was built using rubble from the city of Bristol, England. During World War II, American supply ships used the bombed-out remains of Bristol as ballast for their return trips. The rubble was eventually dumped as landfill along the East River to create the drive. Keywords: fdr drive, [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), [bristol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bristol.md), [world war ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-ii.md), [rubble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rubble.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/47.md) ### 48. Gulen Movement, FBI Raid on Baton Rouge School (2:35:45–2:39:13) The FBI raided the Kenilworth Charter School in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which is tied to the Turkish Gulen movement. The raid follows a split between the Gulenists and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan. The hosts note that the movement operates hundreds of charter schools in the U.S., particularly in Texas, and suggest that more federal investigations into these institutions are likely. Keywords: [gulen movement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gulen-movement.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [baton rouge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baton-rouge.md), [charter schools](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charter-schools.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/48.md) ### 49. C-SPAN Call-In Pranks, Target Data Breach Update (2:39:14–2:41:03) A retrospective of C-SPAN call-in pranks is briefly mentioned before shifting to an update on the Target data breach. A technician's email suggests that Target was replacing all point-of-sale units nationwide just before the breach. The hosts speculate that the new units, manufactured in China, may have had skimmers pre-installed, which would implicate the manufacturing process in the theft of customer data. Keywords: [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [target](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/target.md), [data breach](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-breach.md), [point of sale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/point-of-sale.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/49.md) ### 50. Walmart vs Target, Beyonce Promotion (2:41:04–2:45:51) The hosts discuss a potential "war" between Walmart and Target, noting the Obama administration's close ties to Walmart. They contrast this with the Justice Department's investigation into Target for negligence following the data breach. A promotional appearance by Beyonce at a Massachusetts store is also mentioned, which the hosts view as a dubious media-driven event. Keywords: [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), [target](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/target.md), [beyonce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beyonce.md), [justice department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justice-department.md), [data breach](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-breach.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/50.md) ### 51. Cynthia McKinney, Military Viagra Expenditure (2:45:52–2:48:21) A 1998 clip features Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney criticizing the Department of Defense for requesting $50 million to $100 million for Viagra. McKinney argued that the military should focus on readiness rather than "sex drugs," especially in the wake of various sexual scandals within the administration and the armed forces. Keywords: [cynthia mckinney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cynthia-mckinney.md), [viagra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viagra.md), [department of defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-defense.md), [1998](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1998.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/51.md) ### 52. Postage Rate Increase, Transatlantic Trade Deal (2:48:23–2:51:23) The U.S. Postal Service announced a postage rate increase to 49 cents to recoup financial losses. Meanwhile, negotiations continue for the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP), though the hosts are skeptical that a deal will be finalized before the European elections. A brief mention is made of the "Ready for Hillary" campaign gaining early momentum. Keywords: [postage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/postage.md), [t-tip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/t-tip.md), [trade deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deal.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [europe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/europe.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/52.md) ### 53. General Motors IT In-Sourcing, Data Center Reduction (2:51:24–2:57:01) The former CEO of General Motors discussed the company's efforts to in-source its IT operations after years of costly outsourcing. The company plans to reduce its 23 leased data centers to just two to improve performance and reliability. The hosts reflect on how GM lost its competitive edge by dismissing data analytics as a core competency. Keywords: [general motors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/general-motors.md), [it](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/it.md), [data centers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-centers.md), [outsourcing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/outsourcing.md), [chevrolet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chevrolet.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/577-scripted-fat-talk/chapter/53.md) ### 54. White House Year in Review, Obama Bus Photo (2:57:02–2:59:27) The White House "2013 Year in Review" website is critiqued for its heavy use of Flash and slow loading times. The hosts find the photography of President Obama to be "megalomaniacal" and propagandistic, specifically noting a photo of him sitting on a bus to commemorate the 100th anniversary of Rosa Parks' birth. 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