# Uptalking Dudes

> A deep dive into the strategic rebranding of Nelson Mandela, China's high-speed rail expansion across Eurasia, and the curious intelligence background of WikiLeaks' Sarah Harrison.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 572
- **Published:** 2013-12-08
- **Length:** 2h 53m
- **Topics:** Mandela Rebranding, New Silk Road, Bitcoin Crash, [Geoengineering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geoengineering.md), [Common Core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), [Up-talking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/up-talking.md), [Sarah Harrison](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-harrison.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes

## About this episode

The global legacy of Nelson Mandela faces a critical re-evaluation as archival audio reveals the 1988 Wembley Stadium concert was a strategic branding exercise led by Tony Hollingsworth to transition Mandela from a militant revolutionary to a political martyr. While Bill Clinton recounts a sentimental friendship with the South African leader, skeptics point to the ANC’s violent history and the fact that the United States classified Mandela as a terrorist until 2008. The implementation of electronic toll roads in South Africa now coincides with his passing, fueling local unrest and critiques from Slavoj Zizek regarding the nation's concessions to global capitalism.

China is aggressively financing a New Silk Road high-speed rail network, lending 30 billion euros to Turkey to bypass US-controlled sea lanes and link the Pacific to the Atlantic. This massive infrastructure push extends into Myanmar and Africa, where French troops are currently deploying to the Central African Republic to secure mineral assets against Chinese economic encroachment. Domestically, the Bitcoin market plummeted 50 percent following a Chinese Central Bank crackdown, while a leaked Citibank analysis suggests professional trading operations are increasingly viewed as psychological scams by institutional elites.

Cultural shifts take center stage as a University of California San Diego study identifies the rise of up-talking among American men, a trend linked to the broader feminization of speech patterns. Sarah Harrison of WikiLeaks emerges from the Seven Oaks School—a known pipeline for MI6—sparking questions about her true intelligence affiliations. The show concludes with a technical breakdown of a Rube Goldberg audio setup necessitated by a forced Skype update that nearly derailed the recording.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/transcript.md.

### 1. Technical Difficulties, Skype Updates, Rube Goldberg Audio Setup (0:00–4:52)

The hosts open the show by addressing technical failures in their recording equipment, specifically issues with M-Audio devices and outboard sound cards. They speculate that a forced Skype update on Windows 7 may have altered the audio interface settings, necessitating a workaround using a Zoom H2n recorder. The resulting complex hardware chain is described as a Rube Goldberg setup.

Keywords: [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [m-audio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/m-audio.md), zoom h2n, [windows 7](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows-7.md), rube goldberg, [audio engineering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audio-engineering.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Nelson Mandela, Cornel West, Revolutionary History vs. Media Image (4:52–10:53)

A discussion regarding the death of Nelson Mandela contrasts his historical reality as a militant revolutionary with his modern media portrayal. Reference is made to Cornel West's term "Santa-clausification" to describe the softening of Mandela's image. The conversation touches on the violent tactics of the ANC, Winnie Mandela's controversial reputation, and the classification of Mandela as a terrorist by the United States until 2008.

Keywords: [nelson mandela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nelson-mandela.md), [cornel west](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cornel-west.md), [anc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anc.md), [apartheid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apartheid.md), [south africa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-africa.md), winnie mandela

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Free Nelson Mandela Concert, Tony Hollingsworth, Image Branding (10:53–16:36)

A retrospective look at the 1988 Free Nelson Mandela concert at Wembley Stadium reveals it was a calculated branding exercise to rebrand Mandela from a terrorist to a political martyr. Concert organizer Tony Hollingsworth explains in archival audio how the music industry was used to create a global image for a man who had been imprisoned for 25 years. The segment notes the involvement of Father Trevor Huddleston and the financial success of the event.

Keywords: [wembley stadium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wembley-stadium.md), [mtv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mtv.md), tony hollingsworth, free nelson mandela, anti-apartheid movement

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Bill Clinton, Nelson Mandela Relationship, South Africa 1993 (16:36–20:25)

Personal anecdotes from 1993 describe the atmosphere in Johannesburg during the transition from apartheid. Archival audio features Bill Clinton discussing his "special bond" with Nelson Mandela, claiming they became close friends after meeting at the 1992 Democratic Convention. Clinton recounts stories of Mandela calling to speak with Chelsea Clinton about her homework, though the hosts express skepticism regarding the sincerity of these claims.

Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [nelson mandela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nelson-mandela.md), [johannesburg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/johannesburg.md), [chelsea clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chelsea-clinton.md), democratic convention

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/4.md)

### 5. South Africa Toll Roads, Zizek Critique, Arthur Goldreich (20:24–28:30)

The implementation of electronic toll roads in South Africa coincided with Nelson Mandela's death, sparking local controversy. The discussion references a critique by philosopher Slavoj Zizek regarding Mandela's perceived concessions to global capitalism. Additional mentions include the film adaptation of "Long Walk to Freedom" and the historical role of Arthur Goldreich in funding the ANC.

Keywords: [south africa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-africa.md), [toll roads](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/toll-roads.md), slavoj zizek, arthur goldreich, long walk to freedom

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Bitcoin Market Volatility, Citibank Analysis, Financial Trading Scams (28:31–34:46)

The Bitcoin market experienced a significant crash from $1,200 to $600 following a statement from the Chinese Central Bank declaring it is not currency. A leaked Citibank PowerPoint analysis reportedly circulated among wealthy investors in Los Angeles, influencing market sentiment. The hosts characterize professional trading and "boiler room" operations as simple numbers games and psychological scams rather than displays of financial genius.

Keywords: [bitcoin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bitcoin.md), [citibank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/citibank.md), china central bank, [reddit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reddit.md), [pump and dump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pump-and-dump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/6.md)

### 7. North Korea Tourism, Kim Jong-un, Ski Resort Construction (34:47–42:05)

North Korea is reportedly attempting to transform into a tourist destination through projects like the Masikryong Ski Resort. The hosts analyze Kim Jong-un's strategy to bring foreign currency into the country, referencing the Vice documentary featuring Dennis Rodman. They speculate on the geopolitical reasons why the United States maintains a hostile stance toward North Korea while engaging with other regional powers.

Keywords: [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), [kim jong-un](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kim-jong-un.md), masikryong ski resort, [dennis rodman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dennis-rodman.md), [tourism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tourism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/7.md)

### 8. No Agenda Art, Google Image Search, Fair Use Rules (42:05–46:52)

The hosts explain the criteria for selecting listener-submitted album art, emphasizing the need for legibility at small sizes and original creative work. They describe using Google Image Search to verify if submissions are stolen or sufficiently transformative to qualify under fair use. Originality is highlighted as a key factor in driving listener donations.

Keywords: [album art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/album-art.md), [google images](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-images.md), [fair use](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fair-use.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [graphic design](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/graphic-design.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Executive Producer Credits, Divorce Karma, Ursula Borowski Tribute (46:53–51:13)

The show acknowledges high-tier donations from Executive Producers, including a discussion on divorce proceedings in Belgium and the United States. A significant donation is made in memory of Ursula Borowski, who passed away at age 71. The hosts offer "karma" and condolences to the families of the donors.

Keywords: [stephen pelsmacher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-pelsmacher.md), andrew blackburn, thomas borowski, ursula borowski, [belgium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belgium.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Ludmilla Bogush, Time Optimizer Pro App, Ukrainian Business (51:25–57:56)

Ukrainian businesswoman Ludmilla Bogush is recognized as an Associate Executive Producer. She offers her "Time Optimizer Pro" app to other producers of the show. The hosts discuss the value of paid apps versus the 99-cent model and reiterate their policy of only promoting products from active donors to avoid traditional advertising.

Keywords: ludmilla bogush, [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [time management](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/time-management.md), [app store](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/app-store.md), [associate executive producer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/associate-executive-producer.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/10.md)

### 11. No Agenda CD, Media Deconstruction, Social Consequences of Truth (57:57–1:02:14)

Ramsey Kane's "No Agenda CD" project is highlighted as a tool for listeners to introduce the show to others using a bait-and-switch NPR-style aesthetic. The hosts discuss the social difficulty of being a "media assassin," noting that challenging mainstream narratives can lead to friction with friends and family.

Keywords: [ramsey kane](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ramsey-kane.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), o-bots, [media deconstruction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-deconstruction.md), [social dynamics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-dynamics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/11.md)

### 12. China-Turkey High-Speed Railway, The New Silk Road (1:02:14–1:07:48)

A massive infrastructure project involving a high-speed rail link from China to Europe is identified as the "New Silk Road." China has reportedly lent 30 billion euros to Turkey to complete a critical segment of the line. The route passes through several "Stan" countries and Georgia, aiming to move freight from the Pacific to the Atlantic, bypassing saturated sea lanes.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [high-speed rail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/high-speed-rail.md), [kazakhstan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kazakhstan.md), [rotterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rotterdam.md), [silk road](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silk-road.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Geopolitics of Rail, US Containment, Container Shipping (1:07:48–1:14:36)

The hosts analyze the geopolitical implications of the Trans-Eurasian rail bridge, suggesting that U.S. military presence in the Philippines, Korea, and Turkey is intended to contain this Chinese economic expansion. They argue that high-speed passenger rail is often a cover for high-capacity freight infrastructure. The completion of this rail network is viewed as a threat to U.S. export dominance.

Keywords: [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [freight rail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freight-rail.md), containerization, [global trade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-trade.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Berlin-Baghdad Railway History, Myanmar, African Expansion (1:14:36–1:24:27)

Historical parallels are drawn between the current Chinese rail project and the early 20th-century Berlin-to-Baghdad railway. The strategic importance of Myanmar (Burma) is highlighted as a missing link for Chinese access to South Asia. Plans for branch lines extending into Egypt and Africa are discussed as the ultimate goal for Chinese trade dominance.

Keywords: [ottoman empire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ottoman-empire.md), [myanmar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/myanmar.md), [burma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/burma.md), [egypt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/egypt.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), baghdad railway

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Pentagon Funding, Haqqani Network, ABC News Investigation (1:24:27–1:29:07)

An ABC News investigation by Brian Ross reveals that the U.S. Pentagon has awarded contracts worth $150 million to companies with alleged ties to the Haqqani Network and Al-Qaeda. Military officials cite "due process" and classified evidence as reasons for not blocking these contractors. The hosts suggest these groups may be used as proxies to disrupt foreign infrastructure like the Chinese rail projects.

Keywords: [brian ross](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brian-ross.md), [haqqani network](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haqqani-network.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Central African Republic Conflict, French Intervention, Resource War (1:29:08–1:32:22)

Violence in the Central African Republic (CAR) has led to the deployment of French troops to protect strategic mineral and oil assets. The hosts posit that the conflict is part of a broader effort to displace Chinese economic influence in Africa. They note that the Chinese have been undercutting European manufacturers in African markets by negotiating favorable tariff terms.

Keywords: [central african republic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/central-african-republic.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [sudan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sudan.md), [oil reserves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil-reserves.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Shanghai Air Pollution, PM 2.5 Levels, Global Cooling (1:32:23–1:36:21)

Air pollution in Shanghai has reached hazardous levels, with PM 2.5 concentrations exceeding 600, far above the World Health Organization's safety limit of 20. The smog is attributed to heavy industry and coal burning. The hosts contrast this environmental crisis with the "global cooling" trends and severe winter storms currently affecting Northern Europe.

Keywords: [shanghai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shanghai.md), [air pollution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-pollution.md), pm 2.5, [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Yahya Hassan, Danish Free Speech Controversy, Hate Speech Laws (1:36:21–1:40:10)

Palestinian poet Yahya Hassan is under police protection in Denmark after being attacked by a radical for his criticisms of Islam. His book of poetry has become a massive bestseller, sparking a national debate on integration and freedom of expression. The segment compares the situation to the 2005 Danish cartoon controversy and the rising use of hate speech laws in Europe.

Keywords: yahya hassan, [denmark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denmark.md), [copenhagen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copenhagen.md), [islam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/islam.md), [free speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-speech.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/18.md)

### 19. UK Hate Speech Crimes, Glasgow Helicopter Crash, Social Media Guidance (1:40:11–1:43:31)

Police in Scotland are investigating "hateful" online comments regarding a fatal helicopter crash in Glasgow, treating them as criminal offenses. The UK Attorney General has begun publishing guidance for social media users to prevent "contempt of court" and other speech-related crimes. The hosts argue that these measures effectively end free speech on platforms like Twitter in the United Kingdom.

Keywords: [glasgow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glasgow.md), [scotland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scotland.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [hate crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hate-crime.md), [contempt of court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/contempt-of-court.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Greenpeace Save Santa Campaign, Global Warming Propaganda (1:43:33–1:47:36)

Greenpeace has released a campaign video featuring a disheveled Santa Claus in a flooded basement to symbolize the melting of the North Pole. The video, titled "Save Santa's Home," targets world leaders like Obama and Putin for their "indifference" to climate change. The hosts characterize the video as creepy propaganda aimed at children.

Keywords: [greenpeace](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greenpeace.md), [santa claus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/santa-claus.md), [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md), [north pole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-pole.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Geoengineering Governance, Solar Radiation Management, Congressional Report (1:47:38–1:53:29)

A Congressional Research Service report titled "Geoengineering Governance and Technology Policy" discusses Solar Radiation Management (SRM) and Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR). The report and the latest IPCC assessment suggest that these technologies could offset global temperature rises. The hosts interpret the language of the report as an admission that large-scale climate modification, often referred to as chemtrailing, is already occurring.

Keywords: [geoengineering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geoengineering.md), [solar radiation management](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/solar-radiation-management.md), [ipcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipcc.md), [chemtrails](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemtrails.md), carbon dioxide removal

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Healthy Surprise, Kale Fad, Food Trends (1:53:29–1:55:52)

The hosts discuss a gift from Healthy Surprise and the ongoing cultural obsession with kale. They describe the difficulty of cooking kale to an edible texture and speculate that its popularity is driven by a London-based public relations operation. They note that even insects seem to avoid eating the plant.

Keywords: [healthy surprise](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthy-surprise.md), [kale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kale.md), tuscan kale, snack boxes, food marketing

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Producer Donations, Silver Coins, Small Business Support (1:55:53–2:01:39)

A segment dedicated to acknowledging listener donations includes a discussion on physical silver coins sent by a producer in Alabama. The hosts thank various donors from Canada, the UK, and the US, providing "karma" for job searches and birthdays. They emphasize the importance of listener support in maintaining the show's ad-free model.

Keywords: [silver coins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silver-coins.md), kookaburra, britannia, [homeschooling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeschooling.md), milf shoutout

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Alex Jones, Super Male Vitality, Testosterone Supplements (2:01:40–2:05:14)

The hosts mock the types of products sold on the Alex Jones Show, specifically "Super Male Vitality" drops. They describe the marketing of these testosterone-boosting supplements as "penis drops" for aging men. This leads to a brief discussion on the commercial realities of alternative media.

Keywords: [alex jones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alex-jones.md), super male vitality, [testosterone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/testosterone.md), [supplements](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supplements.md), [infowars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infowars.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Common Core, Huckleberry Finn, Pearson Education (2:05:15–2:08:32)

Listener emails describe the impact of Common Core standards on literature and history curricula. One student shares an experience reading "Huckleberry Finn" and the controversy surrounding its language. Another report highlights a Pearson Education textbook that explicitly uses the phrase "New World Order" in a chapter title regarding 1990s history.

Keywords: [common core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), [huckleberry finn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huckleberry-finn.md), [mark twain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-twain.md), pearson education, [new world order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-world-order.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Compensation Math, Barcode Lessons, Republican Opposition (2:08:33–2:14:00)

The discussion on Common Core continues with "compensation math" or estimative arithmetic, which some engineers claim to use but others find confusing for children. A third-grade lesson plan is shared that teaches children about the use of barcodes on people and animals. The hosts predict that Republicans will turn Common Core into a partisan issue, potentially obscuring the actual concerns regarding the curriculum.

Keywords: estimative math, [barcodes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barcodes.md), [department of education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-education.md), [republican party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republican-party.md), [curriculum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/curriculum.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Southwest Airlines, Service Dog Controversy, Pit Bull Hit Piece (2:14:01–2:18:24)

A local news story about a woman and her service dog being removed from a Southwest Airlines flight is analyzed as a "hit piece." The hosts point out that the media reports omitted the fact that the service animal was a pit bull, which likely influenced the crew's decision. They suggest the coordinated coverage is an attempt to damage Southwest's reputation.

Keywords: [southwest airlines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/southwest-airlines.md), [service dogs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/service-dogs.md), pit bull, [ktvu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ktvu.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Hillary Clinton, Lantos Foundation, Internet Freedom Award (2:18:25–2:20:10)

Hillary Clinton received an award from the Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice. The foundation's advisory board includes figures like Shimon Peres and Bono. In her acceptance speech, Clinton emphasized her commitment to "internet freedom," a term the hosts view with suspicion given current surveillance trends.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), tom lantos, lantos foundation, [internet freedom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-freedom.md), [human rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/28.md)

### 29. FBI Cyber Most Wanted, Identity Theft, Pop-up Scams (2:20:10–2:24:42)

The FBI has expanded its "Cyber Most Wanted" list to include ten fugitives. The crimes listed range from sophisticated identity theft to relatively minor offenses like selling "Lover Spy" software and running pop-up advertisement scams. The hosts question the use of federal resources to pursue individuals involved in $89 software sales or phone-bill redirection.

Keywords: [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [cyber crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-crime.md), alexei bilan, lover spy, operation ghost click

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/29.md)

### 30. NSA Metadata Collection, CNN Coverage, Jeff Zucker (2:24:43–2:30:34)

CNN's Barbara Starr reports on the NSA's collection of five billion location records per day, with the network's anchors suggesting that privacy is a thing of the past. The hosts criticize CNN's leadership under Jeff Zucker, arguing that the move toward long-form reality programming is destroying the network's credibility as a news organization.

Keywords: [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [barbara starr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-starr.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [jeff zucker](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff-zucker.md), [al jazeera america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-jazeera-america.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Newtown 911 Tapes, Dispatcher Audio, Routing Issues (2:30:35–2:33:47)

The release of 911 tapes from the Newtown school shooting has sparked a debate on the morality of listening to such audio. The hosts highlight a specific moment in the dispatch audio where a dispatcher mentions a "rumor it's fake" before being told to get off the phone. They also discuss the technicalities of how 911 calls are routed between local and state police.

Keywords: [newtown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newtown.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), 911 tapes, [freedom of information](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freedom-of-information.md), [associated press](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/associated-press.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Marsha Lanza Interviews, Gun Control Narratives, Empire State Shooting (2:33:49–2:37:49)

Discrepancies are noted in interviews given by Marsha Lanza, the aunt of Adam Lanza, between the immediate aftermath of the shooting and one year later. The hosts also revisit the 2012 Empire State Building shooting, noting how quickly certain high-profile gun violence events disappear from the public consciousness once they no longer serve a specific legislative narrative.

Keywords: marsha lanza, [adam lanza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-lanza.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [empire state building](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/empire-state-building.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/32.md)

### 33. French Prostitution Law, Food Truck Culture, Economic Depression (2:37:50–2:41:27)

French lawmakers are considering a bill to fine customers of prostitutes 1,500 euros while decriminalizing the sex workers themselves. The hosts link this and the rise of "boutique" food trucks and the tiny house movement to a broader economic depression being rebranded as a "cool" lifestyle choice.

Keywords: [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [prostitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prostitution.md), [human trafficking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-trafficking.md), [food trucks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/food-trucks.md), [tiny house movement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiny-house-movement.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Up-talking, Feminization of Males, Anti-Bullying Movement (2:41:27–2:44:47)

A study from the University of California San Diego finds that young American men are increasingly adopting "up-talking," a speech pattern characterized by rising pitch at the end of sentences. The hosts suggest that the anti-bullying movement may be intended to protect this behavior and contribute to the feminization of the American male.

Keywords: [up-talking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/up-talking.md), [valley girl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/valley-girl.md), [anti-bullying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anti-bullying.md), [feminization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/feminization.md), [linguistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/linguistics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Sarah Harrison, Edward Snowden, Seven Oaks Spy School (2:44:47–2:48:48)

Sarah Harrison, a key figure in the WikiLeaks and Snowden stories, is profiled following a series of glamorous media appearances in Berlin. Research into her background reveals she attended Seven Oaks School, a prestigious UK institution known for producing high-ranking intelligence officers for MI5 and MI6. A rift is noted between Harrison's faction and Pierre Omidyar's new media venture.

Keywords: [sarah harrison](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-harrison.md), [edward snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-snowden.md), [pierre omidyar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pierre-omidyar.md), seven oaks school, [mi6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mi6.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Government Furnished Equipment, GFE Acronym, Show Sign-off (2:48:49–2:53:33)

An intelligence insider clarifies that the "GFE" acronym found in leaked NSA slides likely stands for "Government Furnished Equipment," rather than "Google Front End." This suggests the NSA may have provided the hardware Google uses for encryption. The hosts conclude the show by encouraging listeners to opt out of cell phones and centralized email services.

Keywords: gfe, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [bitmessage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bitmessage.md), [encryption](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/encryption.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/572-uptalking-dudes/chapter/36.md)

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