# 23 and Plea > Silicon Valley faces a regulatory reckoning as the FDA halts genetic testing, while geopolitical maneuvers in China and Iran reshape the global energy and security landscape. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 569 - **Published:** 2013-11-28 - **Length:** 3h 1m - **Topics:** [23andMe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/23andme.md), [Iran Deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran-deal.md), [Sandy Hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [Common Core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), [Mossad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mossad.md), [3D Printing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/3d-printing.md), [B-52](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/b-52.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea ## About this episode The FDA issued a cease-and-desist order to 23andMe, halting the company's genetic health diagnostic services and labeling their saliva collection kits as unapproved medical devices. CEO Anne Wojcicki and investors like Sergey Brin face intense scrutiny over a business model that critics claim prioritizes the creation of a massive, salable genomic database for pharmaceutical firms over genuine consumer health insights. The regulatory crackdown highlights a growing friction between Silicon Valley's disruptive ambitions and federal safety standards regarding BRCA mutations and disease risk prediction. International tensions escalate as the United States flies B-52 bombers through China’s newly declared air defense identification zone in the East China Sea. Meanwhile, the interim nuclear agreement with Iran reveals a complex regulatory framework allowing the U.S. to control global petroleum market access for companies like Shell and Total while permitting the export of American consumer goods. In domestic news, the final Sandy Hook report surfaces with inconclusive ballistics data, and Philadelphia becomes the first city to ban 3D-printed firearms, a move seen as a pretext to protect industrial additive manufacturing interests. Adam Curry recounts a bizarre Facebook impersonation attempt involving a Dutch television star, while John C. Dvorak offers essential holiday wine pairings to survive the Thanksgiving season. The duo explores the "kale marketing scam" and the historical activism of Sarah Hale, who transformed a day of mourning into a national feast. From Mossad spies in Hollywood to the "Nordic Model" of prostitution reform in France, the global landscape remains as volatile as a factory-farmed heritage turkey. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/transcript.md. ### 1. Adam Curry Cybersex Impersonation Attempt on Facebook (0:00–5:07) Adam Curry recounts a recent incident where an impersonator on Facebook attempted to engage him in cybersex by posing as a famous Dutch television personality he knew from the 1980s. Curry realized the interaction was fraudulent after contacting the real individual via email, who confirmed she did not have a Facebook account. He describes the encounter as a potential setup or attempt to humiliate him. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), cybersex, [impersonation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/impersonation.md), social media safety [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Thanksgiving Turkey Recipes and the Kale Marketing Scam (5:08–8:59) The hosts discuss Thanksgiving cooking techniques, including the safety of stuffing a bird and a specific recipe for apple and cranberry dressing designed for a gluten-free diet. The conversation shifts to the rising popularity of kale, which is characterized as a public relations scam and a "money grab" due to its high price compared to other brassica vegetables like cabbage. They reference a Ugandan newspaper article promoting kale as a "friend with benefits." Keywords: [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [kale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kale.md), [gluten-free](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gluten-free.md), [cooking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cooking.md), [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), [superfoods](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/superfoods.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Thanksgiving History and the 1971 Uniform Monday Holiday Act (9:03–15:01) John C. Dvorak details the historical origins of Thanksgiving, arguing that the modern holiday was largely the creation of activist Sarah Hale in 1863 rather than a continuous tradition from the Pilgrims. He notes that Thomas Jefferson originally opposed the holiday and that it was historically used to commemorate war dead. The segment also covers the 1971 law that standardized federal holidays to Mondays and Fridays to prevent mid-week work disruptions. Keywords: [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), [sarah hale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-hale.md), [abraham lincoln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abraham-lincoln.md), [thomas jefferson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-jefferson.md), uniform monday holiday act, 1971 [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Barack Obama Thanksgiving Address and Heritage Turkey Stench (15:01–19:10) The hosts critique President Barack Obama's 2013 Thanksgiving address for propagating traditional myths about the first harvest celebration between Pilgrims and Native Americans. The discussion moves to the culinary differences between "heritage" birds and commercial "butterball" turkeys, with the hosts complaining about the "stench" of factory-farmed poultry and salmon. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), heritage turkey, farmed salmon, [native americans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-americans.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Austin Thanksgiving Plans and Rush Limbaugh Free Market Theory (19:11–21:21) Adam Curry describes his Thanksgiving plans in Austin involving a molecular biologist and a "cowboy" Fox News enthusiast. They contrast this with Rush Limbaugh's recent claims that the original Thanksgiving was actually a celebration of the emergence of the free market after the failure of a pilgrim "commune." Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [rush limbaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rush-limbaugh.md), [free market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-market.md), [pilgrims](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pilgrims.md), [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/5.md) ### 6. FDA Shutdown of 23andMe Genetic Testing (21:22–26:33) The FDA issued a warning letter to genetic testing company 23andMe, effectively halting its health-related diagnostic services. The hosts discuss the regulatory conflict, noting that the FDA views the saliva collection kit as an unapproved medical device. They argue that the company's marketing of disease risk, such as BRCA mutations, is misleading without professional genetic counseling. Keywords: [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [23andme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/23andme.md), [genetic testing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/genetic-testing.md), [anne wojcicki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anne-wojcicki.md), medical device, [regulation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/regulation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/6.md) ### 7. SNPedia and the Limitations of Genetic Disease Prediction (26:33–30:46) The discussion explores the technical side of genetic data using SNPedia, an open-source database of single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). The hosts argue that while companies like 23andMe provide "recreational data," the actual predictive value for most diseases is low because many conditions lack a strong genetic component. They mention the Promethease software as a DIY alternative for analyzing raw genomic data. Keywords: snpedia, promethease, [genome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/genome.md), [genetics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/genetics.md), disease risk, [big data](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/big-data.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Silicon Valley Arrogance and 23andMe Business Model (30:46–36:52) The hosts criticize the "disruptive" mentality of Silicon Valley, specifically targeting 23andMe CEO Anne Wojcicki and investors like Google's Sergey Brin. They claim the company's true business model is not providing health insights to users, but rather building a massive genetic database to sell to pharmaceutical firms. Keywords: [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [23andme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/23andme.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [sergey brin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sergey-brin.md), [anne wojcicki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anne-wojcicki.md), [data privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-privacy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/8.md) ### 9. GoldieBlox Beastie Boys Copyright Dispute (36:54–40:28) Silicon Valley startup GoldieBlox is criticized for using a Beastie Boys song in an advertisement and subsequently suing the band after they requested its removal. The hosts highlight that the late Adam Yauch specifically prohibited the use of his music in advertising in his will, framing the lawsuit as an example of tech industry arrogance. Keywords: goldieblox, beastie boys, adam yauch, [copyright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright.md), [fair use](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fair-use.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Willie Brown on San Francisco Tech Class War (40:30–44:07) Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown wrote a column addressing the "class war" in the city caused by the tech industry's impact on rents and culture. The hosts discuss the gentrification of Market Street and the isolation of tech workers who use private buses and Uber, leading to a "cocooned" environment that avoids local issues like homelessness. Keywords: [willie brown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/willie-brown.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [gentrification](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gentrification.md), [real estate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/real-estate.md), [tech industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-industry.md), market street [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Open Source Genetics and Silicon Valley Data Exploitation (44:07–48:48) The hosts reiterate their preference for open-source genetic analysis over commercial services that mine user data. They link the arrogance of 23andMe to broader tech industry trends, including Google's data practices and the monetization of NSA documents by figures like Glenn Greenwald. Keywords: [open source](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/open-source.md), promethease, [data mining](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-mining.md), [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Executive Producer Donations and Knighting Ceremony (48:47–58:42) The hosts acknowledge high-tier donors who support the show through the "value for value" model. Notable contributions include $569.69 from Mark Abbott and $569 from Duke David Foley. Several listeners are granted knighthoods for their financial support, including Sir Brian S. Hall and Sir Jeremy Johnson. Keywords: [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), mark abbott, [david foley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-foley.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Associate Executive Producer Credits and Holiday Wine Tips (58:43–1:04:26) The hosts read donations from Associate Executive Producers and discuss annoying Christmas gift ideas like the Otamatone or drum sets for children. John C. Dvorak provides wine recommendations for Thanksgiving, suggesting champagne, Beaujolais, or Pinot Noir over Cabernet, noting that champagne should be treated as a dinner wine. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [wine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wine.md), [champagne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/champagne.md), otamatone, [christmas gifts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas-gifts.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Georgia Jury Form Slave Occupation Glitch (1:04:27–1:07:16) Officials in DeKalb County, Georgia, discovered a glitch in an online jury form where selecting "S" for sales resulted in the occupation being listed as "slave." The hosts speculate this was a "No Agenda" style Easter egg planted by a rogue programmer and criticize the media's racial framing of the technical error. Keywords: [dekalb county](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dekalb-county.md), [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [jury duty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jury-duty.md), [easter egg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/easter-egg.md), [slavery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slavery.md), [mainstream media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mainstream-media.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Iran Nuclear Deal and Enrichment Rights (1:07:17–1:13:12) The hosts analyze the interim nuclear agreement with Iran, focusing on Secretary of State John Kerry's statements regarding uranium enrichment. They express skepticism about the "trust" involved in the negotiations and suggest the deal is more about managing the supply of centrifuge parts and plutonium reactors than preventing a bomb. Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md), [hassan rouhani](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hassan-rouhani.md), [uranium enrichment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uranium-enrichment.md), [nuclear deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-deal.md), [p5+1](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/p5-1.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Iranian Sanctions and Global Petroleum Market Regulation (1:13:13–1:18:09) The hosts argue that the 80-page sanctions document against Iran is actually a tool for the U.S. to regulate which global companies and countries are allowed to trade in Iranian petroleum. They list exempted companies like Total and Shell, suggesting the "deal" is a way for the U.S. to dole out market access to allies while maintaining the petrodollar system. Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctions.md), [petroleum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/petroleum.md), [total](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/total.md), [shell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shell.md), [petrodollar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/petrodollar.md), [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Israel Leviathan Gas Field and Geopolitical Posturing (1:18:10–1:21:30) The discussion shifts to Israel's opposition to the Iran deal, with the hosts suggesting that Israel's "saber-rattling" may be tied to its need to secure energy export markets for the Leviathan gas field. They question whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's public stance is a coordinated "front man" act to keep global focus on the nuclear issue. Keywords: [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [leviathan field](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leviathan-field.md), [natural gas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/natural-gas.md), [benjamin netanyahu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-netanyahu.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [energy exports](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-exports.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/17.md) ### 18. U.S. Corporate Exports to Iran and TTIP Negotiations (1:21:30–1:26:15) Despite public rhetoric about strict sanctions, the hosts point out that U.S. companies like Kraft Foods and Wrigley are permitted to export consumer goods like ice cream sprinkles and bodybuilding supplements to Iran. They suggest the recent diplomatic thaw might be a "fig leaf" to appease the European Union during TTIP trade negotiations. Keywords: kraft foods, [wrigley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wrigley.md), mccormick, [ttip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ttip.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [iran sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran-sanctions.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Steve Jobs 1995 Interview on Education and Common Core (1:26:16–1:33:09) The hosts play clips from a 1995 interview with Steve Jobs where he discusses the failures of the American education system. Jobs argues against the idea that computers alone can fix schools, emphasizing the importance of individual teachers and criticizing the "monopoly" of institutionalized education and unions. The hosts use this to critique the modern Common Core initiative. Keywords: [steve jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jobs.md), [common core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md), [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [teachers unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/teachers-unions.md), [monopoly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monopoly.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Common Core Delays and Student Data Privacy (1:33:09–1:39:17) Massachusetts and New York are seeing pushback against Common Core implementation from school principals and boards. The hosts also highlight privacy concerns regarding Code.org, an initiative backed by Mark Zuckerberg, alleging that the platform collects and repurposes student data. They conclude by recommending homeschooling as an alternative to "slave training" institutions. Keywords: [common core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), [massachusetts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/massachusetts.md), [new york](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york.md), [code.org](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/code-org.md), [data privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-privacy.md), [mark zuckerberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-zuckerberg.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Arnon Milchan Mossad Spy Confession and Hollywood Espionage (1:39:17–1:45:03) Hollywood producer Arnon Milchan recently admitted in an Israeli television interview to being a Mossad spy and arms dealer. The hosts discuss the long history of collaboration between intelligence agencies and the film industry, referencing Chuck Barris's claims of being a CIA assassin and George Clooney's "message movies" like Syriana. Keywords: arnon milchan, [mossad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mossad.md), [hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hollywood.md), [robert de niro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-de-niro.md), [george clooney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-clooney.md), [chuck barris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-barris.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Russ Baker and the Suppression of Intelligence Memoirs (1:45:04–1:49:07) The hosts praise journalist Russ Baker and his website Whowhatwhy.com for investigative work on the Bush family and intelligence agencies. They discuss the difficulty former agents face when trying to publish memoirs, noting that the CIA often blocks or heavily redacts manuscripts to protect institutional secrets. Keywords: [russ baker](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russ-baker.md), [family of secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/family-of-secrets.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [publishing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/publishing.md), [intelligence agencies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-agencies.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/22.md) ### 23. French Prostitution Bill and the "Nordic Model" (1:49:07–1:55:31) The French Parliament is debating a bill that would criminalize the purchase of sex while decriminalizing the workers, a shift known as the "Nordic Model." The hosts compare this to Germany's liberalized "Teutonic brothel" system and debate whether the move is truly about stopping human trafficking or if it is a moralistic socialist agenda. Keywords: [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [prostitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prostitution.md), nordic model, [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [human trafficking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-trafficking.md), [socialism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/socialism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Prostitution Legalization in New Zealand vs. European Restrictions (1:55:32–2:01:41) The hosts contrast New Zealand's successful decriminalization of prostitution with the restrictive measures being adopted in Sweden, Norway, and Iceland. They speculate that the crackdown on the sex trade in Europe may be an attempt to appease growing conservative Muslim immigrant populations in those countries. Keywords: [new zealand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-zealand.md), [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [iceland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iceland.md), muslim immigration, [prostitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prostitution.md), [safety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/safety.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/24.md) ### 25. Final Donor Credits and Birthday Celebrations (2:01:43–2:13:04) The hosts conclude the donation segment by reading names of producers from Norway, North Carolina, and beyond. They perform a "Make It Rain" routine for specific donors and conduct a final knighting ceremony for Mark Abbott, Brian S. Hall, and Jeremy Johnson before transitioning to the next news topic. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Philadelphia 3D Printed Gun Ban and Technology Restrictions (2:13:04–2:19:43) Philadelphia has become the first U.S. city to ban the 3D printing of firearms. The hosts argue that the "scary gun" narrative is being used as a pretext to restrict 3D printing technology more broadly, protecting the interests of large corporations like GE that are moving into industrial additive manufacturing. Keywords: [philadelphia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/philadelphia.md), [3d printing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/3d-printing.md), [firearms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/firearms.md), steve israel, additive manufacturing, [ge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ge.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/26.md) ### 27. ABC News Edward R. Murrow Awards and Entry Fees (2:19:45–2:23:29) ABC News and Diane Sawyer received multiple Edward R. Murrow Awards, which the hosts dismiss as "pay-to-play" accolades. They reveal that the Radio Television Digital News Association (RTNDA) charges significant entry fees, particularly for website categories, suggesting the awards lack journalistic integrity. Keywords: [abc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc-news.md), [diane sawyer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diane-sawyer.md), edward r. murrow award, rtnda, [journalism awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism-awards.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Sandy Hook Final Report and Inconclusive Ballistics (2:23:33–2:29:59) The final report on the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was released, containing a footnote (53) that states no positive identification could be made between the bullet evidence and the Bushmaster rifle due to damaged and corroded jackets. The hosts highlight this discrepancy, noting that the mainstream media has ignored the inconclusive ballistics data. Keywords: [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [adam lanza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-lanza.md), [ballistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ballistics.md), [bushmaster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bushmaster.md), [connecticut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/connecticut.md), final report [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/28.md) ### 29. DNA Evidence Discrepancies and Sandy Hook School Demolition (2:30:00–2:36:06) The hosts discuss the discovery of victim DNA on weapons found outside the school and in the shooter's car, which investigators attributed to "accidental transference." They criticize the heavy redaction of the police timeline and the total demolition of the school building, arguing that these actions hinder public transparency and the investigation of potential child abuse in the community. Keywords: [dna evidence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna-evidence.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [newtown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newtown.md), [redaction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/redaction.md), [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md), school demolition [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Dr. Drew and the "War on Crazy" Mental Health Rights (2:36:05–2:38:25) Dr. Drew Pinsky is criticized for his public comments suggesting that HIPAA laws and patient rights should be curtailed to allow for the involuntary commitment and forced medication of the mentally ill. The hosts frame this as a "war on crazy" that threatens individual freedoms under the guise of preventing rampage killings. Keywords: [dr. drew](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-drew.md), [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md), [hipaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hipaa.md), psychiatric illness, [civil rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-rights.md), [medication](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medication.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/569-23-and-plea/chapter/30.md) ### 31. Democracy Now Report on Corporate Espionage Against Nonprofits (2:38:25–2:46:11) Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! reports on "Spooky Business," a study detailing how corporations like Monsanto, Walmart, and Dow Chemical hire former CIA and NSA agents to spy on nonprofit groups. The espionage tactics include dumpster diving, infiltration by fake volunteers, and electronic surveillance of environmental and social justice organizations. 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