# Hornet's Nest > National security leaders resort to bizarre metaphors to justify mass spying while the federal government struggles to explain the systemic collapse of its flagship healthcare portal. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 560 - **Published:** 2013-10-27 - **Length:** 2h 59m - **Topics:** NSA Spying, [Healthcare.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-gov.md), [Kathleen Sebelius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kathleen-sebelius.md), [Keith Alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), [Industrial Espionage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/industrial-espionage.md), [Todd Park](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/todd-park.md), [Sandy Hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest ## About this episode General Keith Alexander defends mass surveillance through a series of highly produced media appearances as the NSA faces a global backlash over industrial espionage. The Director of the National Security Agency compares the agency's work to holding a hornet's nest while admitting to Senator Patrick Leahy that the widely cited figure of 54 thwarted terrorist plots is significantly inflated. These claims of information dominance arrive as reports from Der Spiegel reveal the long-term monitoring of Angela Merkel and millions of French phone records. Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius faces intense resignation calls following the disastrous launch of Healthcare.gov. Testimony from consultants at QSSI and CGI Federal confirms that eight last-minute change orders, including the removal of anonymous window shopping, crippled the site's functionality. Meanwhile, Chief Technology Officer Todd Park faces scrutiny over potential conflicts of interest with AthenaHealth as hundreds of thousands of Americans receive insurance cancellation notices due to Affordable Care Act standards. Former government developer Clay Johnson notes that current procurement regulations lead to a 94% failure rate for large-scale federal IT projects. Marking the sixth anniversary of the program, the hosts reflect on a professional relationship defined by a total lack of interaction outside of broadcast hours. The celebration includes the induction of Dame Jennifer and Sir Dennis into the No Agenda Roundtable and a critique of the Sharon Stone documentary Femme. From the Mexico City clown convention protesting drug violence to the shrinking width of airline seats on American Airlines, the global decentralized network of producers continues to provide the intelligence necessary to deconstruct the corporate media narrative. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/transcript.md. ### 1. Towelie Voice Imitation, South Park Plagiarism Discussion (0:00–2:50) A discussion regarding a recurring voice imitation reveals its similarity to the character Towelie from South Park. The conversation clarifies that imitating a voice does not constitute plagiarism, as the term refers to stealing material rather than vocal style, using Bing Crosby as a historical comparison. Keywords: [south park](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-park.md), towelie, voice imitation, [plagiarism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plagiarism.md), freddy the fog, [bing crosby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bing-crosby.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Six-Year Anniversary, Host Relationship Dynamics, Media Performance (2:51–11:49) Marking the sixth anniversary of the program, the hosts reflect on their unique professional relationship and the lack of interaction outside of show hours. They critique the state of corporate media and discuss the difficulty of maintaining a public performance over decades. An anecdote about a conversation at a farmers' market regarding the NSA and internal agency whistleblowers serves as a transition into the show's mission. Keywords: [anniversary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anniversary.md), media performance, [corporate media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporate-media.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), halcyon, [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Rabbit Taxonomy, Leporidae Family, Producer Network (11:50–15:08) A brief exploration of rabbit biology and taxonomy covers the family Leporidae and the order Lagomorpha. This leads into a metaphor about "burrowing" for truth and a tribute to the show's producers, who are described as a decentralized network of intelligence agents providing valuable information. Keywords: leporidae, [rabbit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rabbit.md), genus, [taxonomy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxonomy.md), intelligence agents, [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Executive Producer Donations, Mile High Club, Cornhole Recipe (15:09–24:49) The first major donation segment of the anniversary show features significant contributions from executive producers, including David Foley and Stephen Pelsmacher. Topics include the "Mile High Club," a specific donation amount of $210 dubbed the "cornhole donation," and a response to perceived sexism from a female donor in FEMA Region 7. Keywords: [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [mile high club](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mile-high-club.md), [cornhole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cornhole.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), 4k special [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Beer Special Interest Publication, No Agenda Brewer Squad (24:50–27:17) A publishing industry contact proposes the launch of a Beer Special Interest Publication (SIP) with national distribution through retailers like Walmart. The proposal seeks to recruit "No Agenda Brewer Squad" members as freelance writers to provide content for the magazine. Keywords: [beer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beer.md), [publishing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/publishing.md), special interest publication, freelance writers, [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), [brewing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brewing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Reykjavik Make-Good, No Agendroid App, Art Generator (27:18–29:45) The hosts issue a "karma make-good" for a listener in Reykjavik and promote the "No Agendroid" app available in the Google Play Store. They also credit the artists at the No Agenda Art Generator for their contributions to the show's visual identity. Keywords: [reykjavik](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reykjavik.md), [android app](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/android-app.md), no agendroid, [podcast art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-art.md), play store, [show notes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/show-notes.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Healthcare.gov Congressional Testimony, Monkey Court Comment (30:01–32:24) A clip from a congressional hearing regarding the failed launch of Healthcare.gov features an Illinois representative referring to the proceedings as a "monkey court." The hosts analyze the representative's choice of words and compare the term to "kangaroo court" or "banana republic." Keywords: [healthcare.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-gov.md), [congressional hearing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congressional-hearing.md), monkey court, [illinois](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illinois.md), [banana republic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banana-republic.md), surfers [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Kathleen Sebelius Resignation Calls, Healthcare.gov Change Orders (32:24–39:33) Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius faces criticism for her response to resignation calls. Testimony from consultants at QSSI and CGI Federal reveals that approximately eight change orders were issued for the Healthcare.gov website, including a last-minute directive to disable anonymous window shopping and force user registration. Keywords: [kathleen sebelius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kathleen-sebelius.md), [healthcare.gov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-gov.md), change orders, qssi, [cgi federal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cgi-federal.md), anonymous browsing [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Affordable Care Act Insurance Cancellations, Sticker Shock (39:34–45:11) Reports indicate that hundreds of thousands of Americans are receiving insurance cancellation notices because their existing plans do not meet Affordable Care Act standards. The resulting "sticker shock" involves higher premiums and significantly increased deductibles, contradicting previous presidential promises regarding plan retention. Keywords: [affordable care act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affordable-care-act.md), insurance cancellation, [deductibles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deductibles.md), sticker shock, [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [cms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cms.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Insurance Industry Influence, Single-Payer Healthcare Debate (45:12–48:21) The discussion centers on why the Obama administration did not pursue a single-payer healthcare system despite having a congressional supermajority. Claims are made that the insurance industry's status as a top campaign contributor influenced the legislation, leading to a system that benefits private insurers over the public. Keywords: [single-payer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/single-payer.md), [insurance companies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance-companies.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [cobra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cobra.md), [campaign contributions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/campaign-contributions.md), [healthcare reform](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare-reform.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Todd Park, AthenaHealth, Health Datapalooza Conflict (48:22–51:51) Chief Technology Officer Todd Park is scrutinized for his role as a "change agent" at Health and Human Services and his founding of AthenaHealth. The hosts highlight a potential conflict of interest regarding AthenaHealth's sponsorship of the "Health Datapalooza" conference while Park serves in the government. Keywords: [todd park](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/todd-park.md), athenahealth, health datapalooza, [cto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cto.md), [hhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hhs.md), [conflict of interest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conflict-of-interest.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Healthcare IT Consultants, Software Versioning Rollbacks (51:51–55:11) The return of Jeffrey Zients to fix the Healthcare.gov website prompts a discussion on IT project management. The hosts argue that if the contractors used standard software versioning systems, they should be able to roll back the code to a functional state prior to the problematic last-minute change orders. Keywords: jeffrey zients, software versioning, healthcare it, patient tsunami, [github](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/github.md), [deployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deployment.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Government Procurement Failures, Clay Johnson Interview (55:14–1:00:39) Former Obama administration developer Clay Johnson explains that government procurement regulations favor lawyers over programmers, leading to a 94% failure rate for large IT projects. He criticizes the lack of technical expertise in Congress following the 1996 abolition of the Technology Assessment Office. Keywords: clay johnson, [procurement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/procurement.md), [cgi federal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cgi-federal.md), technology assessment office, [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [github](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/github.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Right-Wing Single-Payer Rhetoric, Medicare for All (1:00:39–1:07:30) The hosts examine why right-wing media figures like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are discussing single-payer healthcare. They speculate that the threat of a government-run system is being used as leverage to extract more support or funding from the insurance industry. Keywords: [single-payer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/single-payer.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [sean hannity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-hannity.md), [rush limbaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rush-limbaugh.md), healthcare leverage, [taxes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxes.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Wheatsville Food Co-Op, Capitalistic Socialism (1:07:32–1:12:29) A discussion of the Wheatsville Food Co-Op in Austin explores the concept of "capitalistic socialism." The hosts compare the member-owned grocery model to agricultural co-ops in France and debate the merits of non-profit growth versus corporate expansion. Keywords: wheatsville co-op, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), wine co-ops, [socialism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/socialism.md), [grocery stores](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grocery-stores.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/15.md) ### 16. John Kerry Exceptionalism, General Keith Alexander Interview (1:12:29–1:16:12) Secretary of State John Kerry's remarks on American exceptionalism are contrasted with a highly produced "propaganda" interview of NSA Director Keith Alexander. The Alexander interview, conducted by a Department of Defense blogger, features edited questions and background music designed to soften the agency's image. Keywords: [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md), [keith alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [department of defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-defense.md), exceptionalism [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/16.md) ### 17. NSA Cyber Security Claims, Saudi Aramco Attacks (1:16:13–1:21:22) General Keith Alexander discusses the vulnerability of American infrastructure to "cyber" attacks, citing 350 DDoS incidents and the 2012 attack on Saudi Aramco. The hosts dismiss these claims as fear-mongering, arguing that the NSA is conflating routine IT issues with national security threats. Keywords: [cyber security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-security.md), [saudi aramco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-aramco.md), [ddos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ddos.md), [intellectual property](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intellectual-property.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [south korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-korea.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/17.md) ### 18. iPhone Security, NSA Oversight Framework (1:21:22–1:25:24) General Alexander asserts that iPhones are less secure than landlines and that the NSA must secure the nation's communications infrastructure. He defends the agency's activities by listing multiple layers of oversight, including the FISA court, the Inspector General, and Congress. Keywords: [iphone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iphone.md), nsa oversight, [fisa court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fisa-court.md), [cyber command](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-command.md), [infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Keith Alexander Metaphors, Hornet's Nest Analogy (1:25:25–1:29:49) General Alexander uses a series of metaphors—including taking a bath, holding a hornet's nest, and wearing seatbelts—to justify mass surveillance. He claims the agency has achieved "information dominance" to prevent another 9/11-style event, though the hosts remain skeptical of these "new tools." Keywords: [keith alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), [metaphors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metaphors.md), hornet's nest, seatbelts, [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), [information dominance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/information-dominance.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Whistleblowing Consequences, Glenn Greenwald, Spying Heroes (1:29:50–1:33:35) General Alexander argues that whistleblowing causes "irreversible and significant damage" to national security, citing a 1998 leak regarding Osama bin Laden's satellite phone. He labels NSA and Cyber Command employees as the true heroes of the nation while condemning leakers and journalists. Keywords: [whistleblowing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblowing.md), [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), [osama bin laden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osama-bin-laden.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [cyber command](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-command.md), [patriots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriots.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Senator Patrick Leahy, NSA 54 Terrorist Plots Claim (1:33:36–1:39:11) During a Senate hearing, Patrick Leahy grills General Alexander over the claim that 54 terrorist plots were thwarted by NSA surveillance. Alexander admits that only 13 of those cases had a "nexus" to the U.S. and that the actual number of plots stopped by Section 215 may be as low as one or two. Keywords: [patrick leahy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patrick-leahy.md), [keith alexander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-alexander.md), 54 plots, [section 215](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-215.md), [section 702](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/section-702.md), [statistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/statistics.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Dennis Kucinich, Industrial Espionage, Stop Watching Us Protest (1:39:12–1:44:38) Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich suggests that NSA spying on world leaders like Angela Merkel is driven by industrial espionage and corporate interests rather than terrorism. Meanwhile, the "Stop Watching Us" protest in Washington D.C. is characterized by the media as a small gathering of Edward Snowden "heroes." Keywords: [dennis kucinich](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dennis-kucinich.md), [industrial espionage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/industrial-espionage.md), stop watching us, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), [david cameron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-cameron.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Ture Media Commentary, European Spying Reactions (1:44:38–1:49:30) Media personality Ture defends government spying on allies as a necessary duty to understand private beliefs versus public statements, particularly regarding the Eurozone. The hosts counter that the systematic nature of the spying suggests motives of blackmail and insider trading. Keywords: [ture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ture.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), [eurozone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurozone.md), [blackmail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackmail.md), [industrial espionage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/industrial-espionage.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/23.md) ### 24. French Phone Record Interception, EU No-Spy Deal (1:49:31–1:55:29) Reports from Der Spiegel allege the NSA targeted Angela Merkel's phone since 2002 and intercepted millions of French phone records. European leaders are now demanding a "no-spy deal" similar to the Five Eyes agreement and threatening fines for U.S. companies that fail to protect European privacy. Keywords: [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [der spiegel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/der-spiegel.md), [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), no-spy deal, [trade deal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deal.md), privacy fines [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/24.md) ### 25. BRICS Power Play, Coordinated Attack Theory (1:55:30–1:59:23) A producer's theory suggests the Snowden leaks are part of a coordinated power play by the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) to undermine the IMF and World Bank. The theory links the locations of key figures like Glenn Greenwald (Brazil) and Snowden (Russia) to a larger strategy to weaken U.S. global dominance. Keywords: [brics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brics.md), [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [imf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imf.md), [trade deals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trade-deals.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/25.md) ### 26. U.S. Industrial Espionage, Turkey-China Missile Deal (1:59:23–2:06:05) The hosts discuss the U.S. strategy of using industrial espionage for financial gain and the perceived weakness of the current administration's foreign policy. They highlight Turkey's $4 billion deal to purchase a missile defense system from China over NATO-supplied alternatives as a sign of shifting global alliances. Keywords: [industrial espionage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/industrial-espionage.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), [missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/missiles.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Electronic Frontier Foundation, Stop Watching Us Failure (2:06:06–2:10:26) The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is criticized for the poor execution of the "Stop Watching Us" rally. An analysis of the EFF's Form 990 tax filings reveals significant spending on executive salaries and a reliance on corporate litigation rather than individual donations. Keywords: [eff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eff.md), stop watching us, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [lobbying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lobbying.md), [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md), [b-roll](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/b-roll.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Cadillac Design, Anniversary Donor Roll Call (2:10:29–2:14:49) A brief debate over Cadillac car designs leads into a large segment of donor acknowledgments. The hosts "de-douche" a listener whose boss is also a fan of the show and discuss a recent gathering of "No Agenda hams" (amateur radio enthusiasts). Keywords: [cadillac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cadillac.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [de-douching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/de-douching.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [anniversary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anniversary.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/28.md) ### 29. Sacks of Sixes, Global Donor Recognition (2:14:51–2:22:49) The hosts read an extensive list of "Sacks of Sixes" ($66.66) donations from listeners around the world, including Denmark, Mexico, Hong Kong, and Ghana. They emphasize the "value for value" model as the lifeblood of the program's six-year success. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), sacks of sixes, [global listeners](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-listeners.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [anniversary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anniversary.md), [666](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/666.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Parenting Anecdotes, Podcast Business Model, Email Management (2:22:50–2:31:08) Reflecting on the show's anniversary, the hosts compare their model to a co-op and a pension plan. They share anecdotes about embarrassing their children and discuss the meticulous process of reading every listener email to prepare for the broadcast. Keywords: [parenting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parenting.md), co-op, [business model](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/business-model.md), [email](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/email.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [anniversary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anniversary.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/30.md) ### 31. Knighting Ceremony, Dame Jennifer, Sir Dennis (2:31:09–2:34:13) In a formal ceremony, "Dame Jennifer" and "Sir Dennis the Mile-High Knight" are inducted into the No Agenda Roundtable for their significant financial contributions. The hosts offer the traditional "hookers and blow" or "mutton and mead" as symbolic rewards for their support. Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [dame](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dame.md), mile-high knight, [roundtable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roundtable.md), [anniversary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anniversary.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/31.md) ### 32. Podcast Awards, Pinterest for Lost Pets (2:34:14–2:35:44) The hosts express a desire to be nominated in the "Comedy" category for the upcoming Podcast Awards. They also play a clip about the city of Sunnyvale using Pinterest to reunite lost pets with their owners, which they characterize as a corporate plug. Keywords: [podcast awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-awards.md), [comedy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comedy.md), [pinterest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pinterest.md), [sunnyvale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sunnyvale.md), lost pets, nbc bay area [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/560-hornet-s-nest/chapter/32.md) ### 33. Femme Documentary Review, Gender Energy Dynamics (2:35:45–2:39:50) A review of the Sharon Stone documentary "Femme" describes it as a poorly produced "high school project" filled with New Age tropes. The film's claims about historical matriarchies and the "perfect union" of male and female energies are critiqued for their lack of logical consistency. 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