# Cyber Insurance

> Terrorist interrogations in Nairobi and the Benghazi witness lockdown collide with a critical look at the booming cyber insurance market and Hollywood goodie bag scams.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 550
- **Published:** 2013-09-22
- **Length:** 2h 48m
- **Topics:** [Westgate Mall](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/westgate-mall.md), Benghazi witnesses, Cyber insurance, Grid Ex II, [Al-Shabaab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-shabaab.md), [Daryl Issa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daryl-issa.md), [Emmy Awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emmy-awards.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance

## About this episode

Al-Shabaab militants claimed responsibility for a brutal siege at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, resulting in dozens of casualties and a standoff at the Israeli-owned facility. The Somali militant group reportedly interrogated shoppers on Islamic trivia, executing those unable to name the Prophet Muhammad’s mother, Amina. New York Times photojournalist Tyler Hicks documented the carnage from inside the building, raising questions about security bypasses during the active engagement.

International Criminal Court proceedings for Kenyan Deputy President William Ruto were adjourned following the violence, while domestic security experts predict the attack will trigger a wave of magnetometer installations and lockdown drills across American shopping malls. In the United States, Congressman Daryl Issa continues to subpoena the State Department over the Benghazi anniversary, alleging that nearly 100 CIA witnesses are being sequestered in Germany to prevent testimony. Simultaneously, the North American power grid faces a massive stress test via the Grid Ex II simulation, involving over 150 government agencies and private corporations.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak return from Hollywood with reports on the Emmy Awards hospitality suites and the curious rise of celebrity DJ salaries. The session features a formal knighting ceremony for Sir Skits and Baronet Tim Tillman, alongside a critique of AT&T’s corporate propaganda in public schools. The hosts also examine the pharmaceutical cycle of antidepressants and the sexualization of tweens by brands like Abercrombie & Fitch.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak Return from Hollywood (0:02–2:18)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the session discussing their return flights from Hollywood to Austin and Northern Silicon Valley. They critique the cascading delays typical of major carriers like American Airlines compared to point-to-point services like Southwest. The conversation touches on the demeanor of flight crews working overtime due to these scheduling issues.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [american airlines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/american-airlines.md), [flight delays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flight-delays.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [flight attendants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flight-attendants.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Emmy Awards Hospitality Suites and Celebrity Goodie Bags (2:19–4:37)

The hosts describe the atmosphere in Hollywood during the Emmy Awards season, focusing on the elaborate hospitality suites at the W Hotel. They detail the "scam" of high-end goodie bags filled with wristwatches and shoes distributed to B-list and C-list celebrities. Adam Curry recounts being denied access to these perks due to a lack of the required wristbands.

Keywords: [emmy awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emmy-awards.md), [hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hollywood.md), [w hotel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/w-hotel.md), hospitality suites, goodie bags, [mevio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mevio.md), [celebrities](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/celebrities.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Celebrity DJ Salaries and Adam Curry's Potential Wig Gig (4:37–7:36)

A discussion about high-earning DJs like DJ Chucky and DJ Poet reveals they can earn $75,000 for one-hour sets at Hollywood elite parties. John C. Dvorak suggests Adam Curry should return to his DJ roots for these events to supplement his income. The plan involves Curry wearing an outrageous, poofy wig to fit the celebrity aesthetic.

Keywords: djs, dj chucky, dj poet, [emmys](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emmys.md), hollywood parties, [income](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/income.md), wigs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Nairobi Westgate Mall Massacre and Al-Shabaab Claims (7:36–11:40)

A major terrorist attack at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, resulted in dozens of deaths and over 150 injuries. The Somali militant group Al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for the siege via Twitter, citing Kenya's military involvement in Somalia as the motive. Local producers report that the Kenyan government may be underreporting casualties while hostages remain in the Israeli-owned facility.

Keywords: [nairobi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nairobi.md), [kenya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kenya.md), [westgate mall](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/westgate-mall.md), [al-shabaab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-shabaab.md), [somalia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/somalia.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Tyler Hicks and New York Times Photography in Nairobi (11:41–14:10)

New York Times photojournalist Tyler Hicks happened to be near the Westgate Mall when the shooting began and entered the building to document the carnage. His graphic, award-winning photographs appeared on the front page of the New York Times and across major networks. The hosts find the timing of his presence and his ability to bypass security during an active siege peculiar.

Keywords: tyler hicks, [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [nairobi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nairobi.md), [westgate mall](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/westgate-mall.md), [photojournalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photojournalism.md), award-winning photography

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Al-Shabaab Religious Interrogations and Prophet Muhammad's Mother (14:10–15:52)

Reports from the Nairobi mall attack indicate that Al-Shabaab militants spared Muslims while targeting non-Muslims. Gunmen reportedly interrogated shoppers on Islamic trivia, specifically asking for the name of the Prophet Muhammad's mother. Those who could not answer "Amina" were reportedly executed, a tactic compared to World War II identity checks.

Keywords: [al-shabaab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-shabaab.md), [nairobi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nairobi.md), [prophet muhammad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prophet-muhammad.md), amina, religious profiling, survival tips

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/6.md)

### 7. ICC Trial Adjournment for Kenyan Deputy President William Ruto (15:52–18:28)

The International Criminal Court in The Hague adjourned the trial of Kenyan Deputy President William Ruto to allow him to return home and manage the Westgate Mall crisis. Ruto is under suspicion for crimes related to 2007 violence. The hosts question the timing of the attack in relation to the legal proceedings and the presence of Israeli advisors on the scene.

Keywords: [william ruto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-ruto.md), [international criminal court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/international-criminal-court.md), [the hague](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-hague.md), [kenya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kenya.md), nairobi attack, trial adjournment

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/7.md)

### 8. US Mall Security and Baseball Stadium Surveillance Rings (18:29–21:15)

Experts suggest the Nairobi attack will lead to increased security measures at American shopping malls, including lockdown drills and scanners. Simultaneously, the Oakland A's are instituting a full security ring with magnetometers at the Alameda County Coliseum. The hosts argue these measures are unnecessary "slave training" designed to sell security equipment rather than prevent actual threats.

Keywords: mall security, [oakland a's](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oakland-a-s.md), alameda county coliseum, [magnetometers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/magnetometers.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Personal Anecdotes of Robbery and Corruption in Nairobi (21:16–24:37)

John C. Dvorak recounts a stopover in Nairobi where local police and soldiers entered an airport lounge to rob passengers at gunpoint. He also shares a story from a former Tech TV guest whose expensive camcorder was stolen in the city. The hosts characterize the Nairobi airport and surrounding infrastructure as dangerous and corrupt.

Keywords: nairobi airport, [kenya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kenya.md), [tech tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-tv.md), [robbery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robbery.md), [corruption](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corruption.md), [police](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police.md), travel stories

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Adam Curry's Childhood Incident in Libya (24:38–27:15)

Adam Curry shares a story from 1964 or 1965 when his parents accidentally left him on a plane during a refueling stop in Tripoli, Libya. While his parents were ushered off the aircraft, Curry crawled under the seats to the back of the plane. His mother panicked upon re-boarding and finding an empty bundle of blankets before he was eventually located.

Keywords: [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md), [tripoli](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tripoli.md), [kampala](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kampala.md), dc-3, [childhood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/childhood.md), [travel anecdote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel-anecdote.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/10.md)

### 11. No Agenda Art Generator and Mac and Cheese T-Shirts (27:15–28:48)

The hosts praise a piece of listener art by Thorin featuring a Chanel No. 5 bottle labeled "Mac and Cheese: The Fragrance of Poverty." They discuss the potential for turning this design into a No Agenda t-shirt. The artwork is hosted on the No Agenda Art Generator website and has received significant positive feedback from the community.

Keywords: [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [thorin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thorin.md), [mac and cheese](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mac-and-cheese.md), chanel no. 5, [t-shirts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/t-shirts.md), [branding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/branding.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Producer Eric's Trailer Life and Prepper Lifestyle (28:48–31:20)

No Agenda producer Eric is currently living in a trailer in Fort Townsend while building two houses, one for himself and one for his father. He is reportedly living a "prepper" lifestyle, cooking over open fires and dealing with local coyote-dog hybrids with an AR-15. The hosts suggest he needs a ham radio license to complete his transition into a full survivalist.

Keywords: [eric](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric.md), fort townsend, [prepper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prepper.md), [ar-15](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ar-15.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [trailer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trailer.md), [database](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/database.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Emmy Awards Tributes and Cory Monteith Controversy (31:21–32:54)

A controversy has emerged regarding the Emmy Awards' "In Memoriam" segment, where Glee actor Cory Monteith is receiving an extended tribute following his heroin overdose. Critics, including the family of veteran actor Jack Klugman, argue that legendary performers are being sidelined in favor of younger stars. The hosts suggest the focus on Monteith serves as a form of drug propaganda.

Keywords: [emmy awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/emmy-awards.md), cory monteith, jack klugman, [glee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glee.md), drug propaganda, [television](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/television.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Cher and Russian Anti-Gay Law Propaganda (32:55–36:32)

Singer Cher publicly criticized Russia's anti-gay laws, claiming she refused to perform at the Sochi Winter Olympics because of them. The hosts analyze this as part of a broader psychological warfare campaign between the US and Russia. They clarify that NBC, not CBS, holds the broadcast rights for the Olympics and suggest the "gay line" is being used to pressure Hollywood interests.

Keywords: [cher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cher.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [sochi olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sochi-olympics.md), anti-gay laws, [cbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs.md), [nbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/14.md)

### 15. EFF Pioneer Awards and Meeting Daniel Ellsberg (36:33–38:59)

John C. Dvorak attended the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Pioneer Awards in San Francisco, where he met famous whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg. He also spoke with Larry Lessig about Creative Commons and noted the presence of various "journalism tools" developers. Dvorak observed that the attendees were largely preoccupied with NSA surveillance and Russian political issues.

Keywords: [eff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eff.md), [electronic frontier foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electronic-frontier-foundation.md), [daniel ellsberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daniel-ellsberg.md), [larry lessig](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/larry-lessig.md), [whistleblowers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblowers.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Journalism Tools and the Hollywood Russian Scam (39:00–42:28)

Dvorak discusses new mobile tools designed to transmit data instantly to prevent confiscation, though he suspects they may feed directly to the NSA. He also shares a "No Agenda tip" regarding Russian anti-gay laws, framing them as a scam to fine Hollywood corporations $31,000 per violation for distributing PG-rated content. This perspective aims to simplify the complex geopolitical debate for listeners.

Keywords: journalism tools, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hollywood.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [fines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fines.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Larry Lessig's Meeting with President Obama on NSA (42:28–44:56)

Larry Lessig reportedly shared an anecdote about a meeting with President Obama regarding technical solutions to NSA overreach. According to Lessig, the President claimed that while "superstar nerds" could fix the problems, the government cannot grant them security clearances due to past drug use. The hosts debunk this, noting the President has the ultimate authority to grant clearances regardless of background.

Keywords: [larry lessig](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/larry-lessig.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [security clearance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-clearance.md), nerds, [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/17.md)

### 18. National Recognition Days and Producer Mr. Oil (44:56–46:33)

Adam Curry acknowledges several national recognition days, including POW/MIA Recognition Day and Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) Week. They also welcome "Mr. Oil" in the chat room, who recently had a child. The hosts joke about the lack of sleep associated with new "human resources" and the eventual stress of raising teenagers.

Keywords: pow/mia recognition day, [hbcus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hbcus.md), [mr. oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mr-oil.md), [human resources](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-resources.md), [chat room](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chat-room.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Executive Producers Sir David Foley and Grant Siner (46:34–50:05)

The hosts thank Executive Producers for Show 550, including Sir David Foley, who donated $500 and offered a discount on 4K TVs via 4kspecial.com. Grant Siner contributed $550 from Leawood, Kansas, while calling out "freeloading" friends. The discussion briefly touches on the industry buzz surrounding 4K technology in Hollywood compared to the failed 3D TV trend.

Keywords: [david foley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-foley.md), grant siner, [4k tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/4k-tv.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Birthday Donations and Baronet Tim Tillman (50:06–53:20)

Producer Gee Boissy donated $299.74 for his birthday while traveling through Schiphol Airport. Sir Tim Tillman contributed $200 to achieve Baronet status in Central Virginia, requesting full ceremonial honors. The hosts discuss the history of the peerage system and the importance of listener support in maintaining the show's independence.

Keywords: gee boissy, tim tillman, [baronet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baronet.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [schiphol airport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schiphol-airport.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Kat and Rory Leander on Music Education and ELF Waves (53:21–56:27)

Kat Leander, a K-7 music teacher in British Columbia, donated $200 and shared how she uses No Agenda concepts in her classroom. She discussed "songs stuck in your head" and ELF waves with her students, leading to a conversation about government capabilities. One student cited the historical internment of Japanese Canadians as evidence that the government is capable of extreme actions if the technology exists.

Keywords: kat leander, music education, [common core](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/common-core.md), elf waves, [japanese internment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/japanese-internment.md), [critical thinking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/critical-thinking.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Constitutional Rights and New Knight Sir Skits (56:27–1:00:42)

The hosts discuss the fundamental purpose of the US Constitution as a tool to limit government power rather than grant rights to citizens. They also knight Michael Siegenthaler as "Sir Skits," who requested a ceremony involving three geishas and a bucket of fried chicken. Other donors from Switzerland and Phoenix are acknowledged for their financial support.

Keywords: [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [bill of rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-of-rights.md), sir skits, geishas, fried chicken, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/22.md)

### 23. No Agenda CD Relaunch and Roadside Marketing (1:00:42–1:03:47)

Ramsey Cain has relaunched noagendacd.com, a resource for downloading and burning show segments. Meanwhile, producer Matt Milligan created a "No Agenda" chalk billboard on a hillside near Sparks, Nevada, using a bag of lime. The hosts suggest adding "Google" to such signs to drive search traffic and recommend placing them near airport runways for visibility from the air.

Keywords: noagendacd.com, [ramsey cain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ramsey-cain.md), matt milligan, [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), [lime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lime.md), [reno](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reno.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/23.md)

### 24. No Agenda Racing and Sir Andrew Gardner (1:03:49–1:05:55)

Sir Andrew Gardner is currently ranked second in the nation in his motorcycle racing class, sporting "No Agenda Racing" branding on his 600cc bike. Adam Curry highlights a video of Gardner's recent race where he climbed from 19th to 2nd place. The hosts encourage listeners to view the race telemetry and photos of the No Agenda-branded gear on Curry's blog.

Keywords: [andrew gardner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-gardner.md), [motorcycle racing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/motorcycle-racing.md), 600cc, winner's circle, [telemetry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telemetry.md), [branding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/branding.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/24.md)

### 25. In Memoriam for Patrick Fonda Elst (1:06:07–1:07:46)

The hosts offer their condolences following the sudden passing of Patrick "Pat" Fonda Elst, who provided high-end financial newsletters to the show through producer Trev Merkin. They express sympathy for his wife, Agnes, and acknowledge his role as a valuable information source for the program's financial analysis.

Keywords: patrick fonda elst, trev merkin, financial newsletter, [obituary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obituary.md), sympathy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/25.md)

### 26. China-US Non-Aggression Pact and Win-Win Cooperation (1:07:47–1:11:19)

A Chinese trade representative at the Brookings Institute outlined a "new model of major country relations" between China and the US. The agreement focuses on no conflict, mutual respect, and "win-win cooperation." The hosts compare this to historical non-aggression pacts and express skepticism regarding China's long-term strategic intentions in the Asia-Pacific region.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), us relations, [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), [brookings institute](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brookings-institute.md), trade minister, non-aggression

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Chinese Economic Expansion and Gray Markets in Africa (1:11:19–1:15:07)

China is aggressively expanding its influence in Africa, specifically in Kenya, by funding massive infrastructure projects like roads and mines. These deals often include tariff-free importation clauses, allowing Chinese companies to flood local markets with cheap goods like Huawei routers, undercutting competitors. The hosts note that the US often follows these developments with military or CIA activity to displace Chinese interests.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [africa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/africa.md), [kenya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kenya.md), [huawei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huawei.md), [infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md), [tariffs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tariffs.md), [gray market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gray-market.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Tesla Model S and Prius Electrocution Risks (1:15:08–1:19:08)

While praising the aesthetics of the Tesla Model S, the hosts express concern over the safety of electric vehicles. They discuss reported risks of electrocution for first responders using the "jaws of life" on crashed Toyota Priuses. Fire departments are reportedly being trained on the high-voltage dangers associated with hybrid and electric car fires.

Keywords: [tesla model s](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tesla-model-s.md), [toyota prius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/toyota-prius.md), [electric cars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-cars.md), electrocution, [first responders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-responders.md), fire departments

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Benghazi Anniversary and Missing CIA Witnesses (1:19:09–1:22:58)

One year after the Benghazi attack, the hosts reiterate their theory that the event was a botched kidnapping attempt intended as an "October Surprise" for the 2012 election. They highlight that nearly 100 witnesses, many likely CIA operatives, have been moved to Germany and prevented from testifying. Congressman Daryl Issa continues to press the State Department for access to these fact witnesses.

Keywords: [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [chris stevens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-stevens.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [daryl issa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daryl-issa.md), [october surprise](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/october-surprise.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Daryl Issa and the Viper Car Alarm Fortune (1:22:59–1:26:00)

The hosts discuss the background of Congressman Daryl Issa, noting he made his fortune from the "Viper" car alarm system. Issa is currently issuing subpoenas to the State Department to gain access to Benghazi witnesses. The hosts remain skeptical of the political theater, suggesting the investigation is being used primarily for fundraising and PR.

Keywords: [daryl issa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daryl-issa.md), viper car alarm, car alarms, [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [subpoenas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subpoenas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Barbara Boxer and the Air Pollution Board Anecdote (1:26:02–1:28:25)

John C. Dvorak shares a personal anecdote from his time on a regional air pollution board with Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein. He claims that Boxer would frequently solicit rides from air pollution inspectors after meetings. The hosts use this story to characterize Boxer as a staunch "Obama-bot" in the Senate.

Keywords: [barbara boxer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-boxer.md), air pollution board, [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [anecdote](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anecdote.md), [politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/politics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Senate Debate on Benghazi and Barbara Boxer's Objection (1:28:26–1:31:31)

Senator Barbara Boxer objected to a request for a joint select committee to investigate the Benghazi attack. She defended President Obama's record, citing the killing of Osama bin Laden as proof of his resolve. The hosts mock her defense, contrasting the lack of photographic evidence in the bin Laden raid with the graphic images released from the Nairobi mall attack.

Keywords: [barbara boxer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-boxer.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [senate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [osama bin laden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osama-bin-laden.md), [investigation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/investigation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Sean Smith's Mother and the Benghazi Video Lie (1:31:32–1:34:31)

Pat Smith, the mother of Benghazi victim Sean Smith, gave emotional testimony regarding the lies she was told by administration officials. She stated that Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Susan Rice all blamed a YouTube video for the attack during the casket ceremony despite knowing otherwise. Smith expressed frustration that no one has followed up with her or provided the truth about her son's death.

Keywords: [sean smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-smith.md), [pat smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pat-smith.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), video lie

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/33.md)

### 34. West Hollywood Fur Ban and Berkeley Left Turns (1:34:31–1:37:37)

West Hollywood has become the first US city to ban the sale of fur, part of a broader trend of animal-friendly laws that include recognizing pet owners as "guardians." The hosts pivot to complaining about "idiots" in Berkeley who refuse to pull into intersections when making left turns. They also critique the "scam" of plastic bag bans that result in alternate usage fees.

Keywords: [west hollywood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/west-hollywood.md), fur ban, [animal rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/animal-rights.md), [berkeley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berkeley.md), [traffic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/traffic.md), [plastic bags](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plastic-bags.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Urban Shield and Grid Ex II Preparedness Drills (1:37:40–1:41:13)

Two major regional preparedness exercises are scheduled: "Urban Shield" in Alameda County and "Grid Ex II" nationwide. Grid Ex II will simulate a massive physical and cyber attack on the North American power grid, involving over 150 companies and government agencies from the US, Canada, and Mexico. The hosts view these drills as "slave training" and potential precursors to real-world incidents.

Keywords: [urban shield](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/urban-shield.md), [alameda county](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alameda-county.md), grid ex ii, [power grid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-grid.md), [cyber attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-attack.md), [nerc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nerc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Olympic College Active Shooter Drill in Bremerton (1:41:15–1:43:48)

Olympic College in Bremerton, Washington, conducted a large-scale active shooter drill involving 300 first responders and actors. The exercise used simulated gunfire and panic to test emergency response plans. Officials stated the training was planned over a year in advance, though the hosts suggest such drills often coincide with actual events.

Keywords: olympic college, bremerton, [active shooter drill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/active-shooter-drill.md), [first responders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/first-responders.md), [training](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/training.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Oregon Movie Theater Panic and Public Urination (1:43:49–1:46:23)

A movie theater in Oregon was evacuated after someone mistakenly shouted "gun" during an argument. The panic caused nearby businesses to go into lockdown. Police later determined there was no weapon; the confrontation actually began when a man urinated on a teenager in the back row of the theater.

Keywords: [oregon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oregon.md), [movie theater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/movie-theater.md), gun scare, [lockdown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lockdown.md), public urination

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/37.md)

### 38. AT&T "It Can Wait" School Campaign Critique (1:46:24–1:48:07)

A student producer reports on an AT&T "It Can Wait" presentation at their school regarding texting while driving. The campaign involved showing a 37-minute documentary and distributing stickers heavily branded with the AT&T logo. The producer describes the event as a poorly produced corporate propaganda effort designed to harvest student pledges and photos for the company.

Keywords: [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), it can wait, [texting while driving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texting-while-driving.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [schools](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schools.md), [branding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/branding.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Sexualization of Young Girls and Urban Outfitters Lawsuit (1:48:07–1:51:40)

The parents of 16-year-old model Haley Clauson filed a $28 million lawsuit against Urban Outfitters and photographer Jason Lee Perry. The suit alleges the company used "salacious" and "provocative" images of Clauson on t-shirts without parental consent. The photographer claims the images were previously published in a magazine and on Clauson's own Facebook page.

Keywords: [urban outfitters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/urban-outfitters.md), haley clauson, jason lee perry, sexualization, [lawsuit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lawsuit.md), [fashion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fashion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/39.md)

### 40. French Vogue and the Sexualization of Children (1:51:40–1:54:11)

A global controversy has erupted over the sexualization of young girls in fashion, highlighted by 10-year-old Tylenne Blondeau's appearance in French Vogue. Other examples include 13-year-old Elle Fanning in Marc Jacobs ads and Hailee Steinfeld in Miu Miu campaigns. Experts suggest the trend is driven by parents "vehemently dedicated" to making their children famous.

Keywords: tylenne blondeau, french vogue, marc jacobs, miu miu, child models, [fashion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fashion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Corporate Targeting of Tweens and Padded Bikinis (1:54:12–1:57:34)

Corporations are aggressively targeting "tweens"—girls aged 8 to 12—who represent a $43 billion annual market. Recent controversies include Abercrombie & Fitch selling padded bikini tops for 8-year-olds and other companies marketing "babykinis" for infants. The hosts argue this acceleration of childhood is a sinister corporate strategy to move children into older consumer demographics.

Keywords: tweens, [abercrombie & fitch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abercrombie-fitch.md), padded bikinis, babykinis, [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), [spending](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spending.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Pharmaceutical Industry and the Depression Cycle (1:57:34–1:59:47)

The American Psychological Association (APA) reports that girls exposed to excessive sexual imagery are more likely to suffer from depression and low self-esteem. The hosts analyze this as a deliberate cycle that benefits the pharmaceutical industry. By creating unhappiness through media and marketing, corporations ensure a steady demand for antidepressants and psychotropic drugs.

Keywords: [pharmaceutical industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-industry.md), [depression](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/depression.md), [antidepressants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antidepressants.md), [apa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apa.md), sexualization, [self-esteem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/self-esteem.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Listener Donations and Birthday Shoutouts (1:59:48–2:04:27)

The hosts read a long list of donations, including several "69.69" and "66.66" amounts. They acknowledge donors from Pennsylvania, Alberta, Brazil, and Poland. Birthday wishes are extended to Sir Guy Boissy, Dave Byron, and "Buzzkill Jr." The segment reinforces the "value for value" model and the show's upcoming sixth anniversary.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [6969](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/6969.md), [sack of sixes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sack-of-sixes.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Gina Smith and The New Domain Website (2:04:27–2:07:49)

John C. Dvorak discusses his collaboration with Gina Smith on her website, The New Domain. Smith has reportedly attempted to donate to No Agenda via PayPal, though the funds have not yet appeared in the show's records. Dvorak praises Smith's ability to drive traffic through her large social media following and her history in tech journalism.

Keywords: [gina smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gina-smith.md), the new domain, [tech journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-journalism.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), retweeting

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Buzzkill Jr. Birthday and Adderall Amphetamine Discussion (2:07:49–2:11:35)

On the occasion of Buzzkill Jr.'s birthday, the hosts discuss his career as a coder. The conversation shifts to a listener's claim that the drug Adderall is essentially "Black Beauty" amphetamine. Dvorak confirms that the label for Adderall lists amphetamine and dextroamphetamine, leading to a discussion about the widespread prescription of "speed" to children.

Keywords: [buzzkill jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzkill-jr.md), [adderall](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adderall.md), [amphetamine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amphetamine.md), speed, [pharmaceutical drugs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-drugs.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Show Quality Evolution and Marijuana Potency (2:11:35–2:14:18)

The hosts reflect on the evolution of No Agenda, arguing that the current "deep analysis" of paperwork is superior to the show's earlier, more "flailing" episodes. They briefly discuss the increased potency of modern marijuana compared to the "doobies" of the past, concluding that they prefer their current sober analytical approach.

Keywords: show quality, [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), pot, analysis, drug potency, [nostalgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nostalgia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Knighting Ceremony for Sir Skits and Sir Tim Tillman (2:14:18–2:17:18)

Adam Curry conducts a formal knighting ceremony for Michael Siegenthaler, now "Sir Skits," and elevates Tim Tillman to "Baronet of Central Virginia." The ceremony includes the traditional crossing of swords and requests for "geishas and fried chicken." The hosts apologize for any administrative errors, noting their "back office is in a trailer."

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), sir skits, tim tillman, [baronet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baronet.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceremony.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Technical Challenges of Mobile Podcasting (2:17:19–2:19:01)

Adam Curry discusses the technical difficulties of producing a high-quality show while traveling, including managing hotel Wi-Fi and port forwarding. He mentions his work on the "Ultimate Podcast Device" to improve mobile production. The hosts emphasize their commitment to professional audio standards despite the challenges of remote broadcasting.

Keywords: [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [audio engineering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audio-engineering.md), [noise gate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/noise-gate.md), hotel wi-fi, ultimate podcast device

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Team Rubicon and the Clinton Global Initiative (2:19:01–2:24:18)

Team Rubicon is a disaster relief organization composed of military veterans currently operating in Colorado. The hosts express suspicion over the group's partners, which include the Clinton Global Initiative, Goldman Sachs, Google, and Palantir. They note the organization's use of FEMA-style regional divisions and question the true nature of its high-level corporate backing.

Keywords: team rubicon, [clinton global initiative](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/clinton-global-initiative.md), [veterans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/veterans.md), [disaster relief](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disaster-relief.md), [goldman sachs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goldman-sachs.md), [palantir](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/palantir.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Navy Yard Shooting and the War on Mental Illness (2:24:21–2:28:53)

Following the Navy Yard shooting by Aaron Alexis, the national conversation has shifted toward mental health and the Affordable Care Act. Alexis was reportedly prescribed the antidepressant Trazodone. The hosts predict a "war on crazy" where mental health diagnoses will be used to restrict rights, similar to how gun control is debated, potentially leading to the social branding of the mentally ill.

Keywords: [navy yard shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/navy-yard-shooting.md), [aaron alexis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aaron-alexis.md), trazodone, [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md), [affordable care act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/affordable-care-act.md), [stigma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stigma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Debt Ceiling Theater and Presidential Condescension (2:28:56–2:32:17)

President Obama has stated he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling, calling it a "basic function" of government. The hosts criticize the President's "condescending" tone toward the "average person" regarding fiscal policy. They argue the debt ceiling is a bogus creation used for political theater rather than actual debt management.

Keywords: [debt ceiling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-ceiling.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [government shutdown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/government-shutdown.md), [fiscal policy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-policy.md), condescension

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/51.md)

### 52. Constitutional Faith and Credit and Syria Spending (2:32:17–2:35:39)

The hosts discuss the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution in the context of the debt limit. They suggest a potential "script" where the President uses an executive order to keep the government open. They also criticize the irony of debating debt while spending millions on missiles for potential intervention in Syria.

Keywords: [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), full faith and credit, [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/missiles.md), [government spending](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/government-spending.md), [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/52.md)

### 53. Gennifer Flowers and Hillary Clinton 2016 Rumors (2:35:41–2:38:52)

The Daily Mail published an interview with Gennifer Flowers claiming Bill Clinton once told her that Hillary is bisexual. The hosts view this as an old story resurfacing as part of the 2016 election cycle. They discuss the potential for a Hillary Clinton presidency, with Adam Curry jokingly hoping for it to provide better content for the show.

Keywords: gennifer flowers, [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [daily mail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daily-mail.md), [2016 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2016-election.md), [bisexual](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bisexual.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/53.md)

### 54. German Elections and Cyber Insurance Markets (2:38:53–2:42:22)

As Germany holds elections, Angela Merkel is expected to win but may require a new coalition. Meanwhile, a report in *The Local* highlights a booming market for "cyber insurance" in the wake of the Snowden revelations. Companies and individuals are increasingly buying protection against data breaches and cyber threats, though the hosts question how damages are proven.

Keywords: [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), cyber insurance, [snowden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/snowden.md), [data protection](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-protection.md), the local

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/54.md)

### 55. Steely Dan Programming and Binary Triggers (2:42:24–2:44:16)

Listeners report hearing Steely Dan's "Reeling in the Years" shortly before it was mentioned on the show, leading to theories about remote programming. One producer suggests Adam Curry's wife, Miss Mickey, might be an operative and that "pancakes" served as a binary trigger during a trip through Utah. The hosts find these "crackpot" theories increasingly plausible.

Keywords: [steely dan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steely-dan.md), [programming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/programming.md), [miss mickey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miss-mickey.md), binary trigger, [hot pockets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets.md), [utah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/utah.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/55.md)

### 56. Harvard Fundraising and New Hampshire Cycling Tragedy (2:44:17–2:45:43)

Harvard University has launched a $6.5 billion fundraising campaign despite already having a $31 billion endowment. In other news, a 20-year-old driver killed two cyclists and injured two others in Hampton, New Hampshire. The hosts question the necessity of Harvard's massive capital drive and express suspicion over the circumstances of the cycling "accident."

Keywords: [harvard university](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvard-university.md), [fundraising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fundraising.md), [endowment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/endowment.md), hampton, [new hampshire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-hampshire.md), cycling accident

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/56.md)

### 57. Boston Marathon Report Delay and Sign-off (2:45:44–2:48:19)

The official report on the Boston Marathon bombing has been delayed indefinitely by the intelligence community. The hosts reiterate their desire to see the alleged video of the Tsarnaev brothers dropping the backpacks. The show concludes with a reminder of the "value for value" model and a sign-off from Austin and Silicon Valley.

Keywords: [boston marathon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boston-marathon.md), [tsarnaev brothers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsarnaev-brothers.md), [intelligence community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-community.md), [sign-off](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sign-off.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/550-cyber-insurance/chapter/57.md)

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