# Kale Donuts

> The surveillance state undergoes a corporate rebrand as the executive branch swaps constitutional mandates for safety guarantees and Silicon Valley backdoors.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 520
- **Published:** 2013-06-09
- **Length:** 2h 43m
- **Topics:** [PRISM](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), Adobe tracking, [James Clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [Susan Rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [Silicon Valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [Metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [Bilderberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bilderberg.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts

## About this episode

President Barack Obama faced intense scrutiny following a script mishap during a PRISM press conference where he defended the surveillance state as a series of modest encroachments. The event, which featured a single vetted question from Jackie Calms of the New York Times, saw the administration attempting to rebrand the presidential oath as a duty to provide safety rather than a mandate to protect the Constitution. The hosts analyze the semantic tricks used by the executive branch to obfuscate the reality of metadata collection and the recording of domestic telephone calls.

Silicon Valley's integration with the intelligence community takes center stage as the career of Kevin Lynch and the acquisition of Omniture by Adobe reveal a massive behavioral tracking infrastructure. DNI James Clapper and Attorney General Eric Holder provided evasive testimony to Congress regarding the monitoring of legislative phone lines, while internal feuds between the CIA and NSA suggest the PRISM leaks may have been an orchestrated distraction. Additional reports cover the appointment of Susan Rice as National Security Advisor and the shift in media sentiment as outlets like The Huffington Post adopt George W. Obama imagery to describe the continuation of Bush-era policies.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the technical transition from Flash to HTML5 as a battle for privacy, noting Steve Jobs' historical resistance to government backdoors in iOS. The episode features the recurring Noodle Kid segment and a critique of Alex Jones' recent appearance on the BBC, which the hosts compare to the antics of Matthew Lesko. A record-breaking 74 producers contributed to the Swazilnov fund, demonstrating the resilience of the value-for-value model amidst a global information war.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/transcript.md.

### 1. Introduction, Weather and Personal Updates (0:00–2:03)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 520 of No Agenda from Austin and Silicon Valley. Curry discusses preparing for the return of Miss Mickey, including washing her car and buying flowers. Dvorak reports a major rainstorm in Northern California.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [miss mickey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miss-mickey.md), [weather](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weather.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Barack Obama, PRISM Press Conference and Script Mishap (2:04–5:35)

President Barack Obama held a press conference regarding the PRISM surveillance program and Obamacare. During the event, the stage manager failed to place the president's remarks on the podium, leading to a visible moment of frustration where Obama addressed his staff as "people." The hosts analyze his inability to ad-lib without a script.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [prism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), [press conference](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/press-conference.md), [script](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/script.md), staff

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Jackie Calms, New York Times Question on Surveillance (5:39–8:31)

The president took a single question from Jackie Calms of the New York Times during his press briefing. The hosts criticize the phrasing of the question, suggesting it was "leading the witness" by asking for an assurance that the government does not have a massive database for spying.

Keywords: jackie calms, [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [database](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/database.md), [press corps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/press-corps.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Constitutional Oath, Presidential Duties and Privacy Rights (8:31–11:12)

The discussion focuses on President Obama's claim that his primary commitments are keeping people safe and upholding the Constitution. The hosts argue that the presidential oath actually mandates preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution, rather than a specific duty to defend the American people. They further debate the legal definition of privacy rights versus government encroachment.

Keywords: [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [oath of office](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oath-of-office.md), [article 2](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/article-2.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [commander in chief](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/commander-in-chief.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Telephone Metadata, Obfuscation and Recording Claims (11:14–12:40)

President Obama stated that "nobody is listening" to telephone calls, which the hosts interpret as a semantic trick. They argue that while no one may be listening in real-time, the calls are being recorded and stored for later access. The segment highlights the use of "key buzzwords" to defend the surveillance state.

Keywords: [prism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), telephone calls, [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [recording](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recording.md), [obfuscation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obfuscation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Benjamin Franklin, Security vs Privacy Trade-offs (12:39–15:26)

The hosts critique the president's assertion that a "balance" or "trade-off" must be struck between security and privacy. They reference Benjamin Franklin's famous quote regarding those who trade liberty for security. Obama's claim that the debate is "healthy for our democracy" is met with skepticism.

Keywords: [benjamin franklin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-franklin.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security.md), [democracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy.md), republican president

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Modest Encroachments, Team Evaluations and Legal Definitions (15:26–19:03)

President Obama used the phrase "modest encroachments" to describe the surveillance programs. The hosts look up the definition of "encroach" in Merriam-Webster to argue that the president is essentially admitting to a crime. They also mock the use of "the team" as a corporate-style tactic to deflect individual responsibility.

Keywords: modest encroachment, [miriam webster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miriam-webster.md), [terrorist attacks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorist-attacks.md), [executive branch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-branch.md), content

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Classified Programs, Leaks and Transparency (19:04–22:27)

The president addressed the leak of classified documents, arguing that secrecy is necessary to prevent Al-Qaeda from circumventing preventive measures. The hosts note that Obama almost forgot to mention the leaks before being prompted by a staffer. They contrast these actions with his promise of being the most transparent government in history.

Keywords: [leaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leaks.md), classified programs, [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md), george bush, [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Public Distrust, Executive Branch and National Security (22:28–24:13)

The discussion covers the president's remarks on public trust in the executive branch, Congress, and federal judges. The hosts highlight a moment where Obama seemed to laugh while claiming that national security workers "cherish our Constitution" and would not listen to private phone calls.

Keywords: [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [federal judges](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-judges.md), [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md), [due process](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/due-process.md), [rule of law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rule-of-law.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Susan Rice, National Security Advisor Appointment (24:14–27:19)

Susan Rice's appointment as National Security Advisor is discussed, with the hosts critiquing her speaking style and "stilted" communication. They suggest she may have been responsible for the president's missing script earlier in the day. A listener in the chat room points out a potential Freudian slip in the president's speech regarding trust.

Keywords: [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [national security advisor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security-advisor.md), tom donilon, appointment, [speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/speech.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Network Analysis, Metadata History and Liberal Outrage (27:23–30:57)

John Dvorak discusses his PC Magazine column about telecom providers and notes that metadata collection for network analysis dates back to the 1990s, citing an Interpol lecture. The hosts observe that liberal commentators like Leo Laporte and Cenk Uygur are now expressing outrage over Obama's surveillance policies, calling him a "liar."

Keywords: [interpol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/interpol.md), [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [leo laporte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leo-laporte.md), [cenk uygur](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cenk-uygur.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Bill Maher, Guantanamo Bay and Selective Outrage (30:58–33:16)

A clip from Bill Maher's show features a discussion with a National Review writer about the history of surveillance and the failure to close Guantanamo Bay. Maher defends Obama by claiming Congress blocked the closure, while the hosts argue that Obama had a Democratic majority in both houses when he took office.

Keywords: [bill maher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-maher.md), [guantanamo bay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guantanamo-bay.md), [national review](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-review.md), [patriot act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-act.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Chris Matthews, Ethnic Scandal Claims and Obama's Record (31:42–35:12)

MSNBC host Chris Matthews is criticized for attributing opposition to President Obama to "ethnic" reasons. Matthews claims Obama's life is "clean as a whistle," which the hosts counter by mentioning sealed school records and Obama's own admissions of past drug use in his books.

Keywords: [chris matthews](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-matthews.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [race](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/race.md), [columbia university](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/columbia-university.md), school records

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/13.md)

### 14. George W. Obama, Reverse-Wire Theory and Future Subpoenas (35:13–37:24)

The Huffington Post used "George W. Obama" imagery, signaling a shift in media perception. Dvorak proposes a "reverse-wire" theory: the government records everything now so they can subpoena the past once they obtain a warrant later. This allows them to bypass the limitations of traditional real-time wiretaps.

Keywords: [huffington post](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/huffington-post.md), [metadata](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metadata.md), [subpoenas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subpoenas.md), reverse-wire, [storage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/storage.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Email Storage, Gmail and Private Servers (37:24–40:28)

The hosts discuss how the government can access emails stored on third-party services like Gmail without a warrant if they are over 180 days old. They advocate for users to run their own private mail servers to maintain control over their data and history.

Keywords: [gmail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gmail.md), [email storage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/email-storage.md), [warrants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/warrants.md), private mail server, [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Producer Credits, Sir Craig and Harry Reid (40:28–43:14)

The hosts read donations from producers, including Sir Craig of Monomena and Henry Reese in Nagoya, Japan. They also play a clip of Harry Reid telling Americans to "calm down" regarding the surveillance revelations, which they interpret as a message to "slaves."

Keywords: [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), nagoya, [japan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/japan.md), [harry reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harry-reid.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Gerald Ford, Presidential Succession and Noodle Kid (43:16–46:10)

A discussion on presidential succession notes that Gerald Ford was the first president never elected to the executive office, having been appointed after Spiro Agnew's resignation. The segment transitions into a mention of the "Noodle Kid" clip, a recurring show favorite.

Keywords: [gerald ford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gerald-ford.md), [spiro agnew](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spiro-agnew.md), [richard nixon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-nixon.md), executive office, noodle kid

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Noodle Kid, Workplace Dictatorship and Unions (46:11–48:31)

The "Noodle Kid" clip is played, featuring a young man describing his job at a Noodles restaurant as a "dictatorship." He advocates for workers taking control of their workplaces and forming unions to counter the power of owners who dictate schedules and tasks.

Keywords: [noodles restaurant](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/noodles-restaurant.md), [unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unions.md), [dictatorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dictatorship.md), workers rights, [workplace](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/workplace.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Show Formula, Forbidden Words and New Listeners (48:32–52:23)

The hosts discuss the "No Agenda formula" and their efforts to eliminate filler words like "so," "awesome," and "amazing." They recount an anecdote about a UK listener who couldn't understand the show's jargon, highlighting the high barrier to entry for new "producers."

Keywords: [joshua pettigrew](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joshua-pettigrew.md), forbidden words, new listeners, [wikipedia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikipedia.md), [uk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Ray McGovern, CIA Influence and Presidential Fear (52:24–56:09)

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern claims that President Obama is afraid of the CIA, allegedly citing the fate of Martin Luther King Jr. as a warning. McGovern suggests that the CIA has "taken over" and that Obama's failure to prosecute torturers stems from this fear of the intelligence community.

Keywords: [ray mcgovern](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ray-mcgovern.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [martin luther king jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/martin-luther-king-jr.md), [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/20.md)

### 21. PRISM Theory, CIA vs NSA Feud and Google Alliance (56:08–59:14)

Adam Curry presents a theory that the PRISM leak was orchestrated by the CIA to embarrass the NSA and distract from other surveillance activities. He notes the long-standing feud between the agencies and points to Google's admitted "NSA alliance" program from 2010 as evidence of deep-rooted cooperation.

Keywords: [prism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prism.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), cyber world, [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Facebook, In-Q-Tel and Robert Mueller (59:14–1:01:14)

The discussion turns to Facebook's ties to the intelligence community through In-Q-Tel funding. A 2010 Time Magazine article is cited, describing FBI Director Robert Mueller visiting Mark Zuckerberg's office, which the hosts interpret as a signal of government integration into the platform.

Keywords: [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [in-q-tel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/in-q-tel.md), [robert mueller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-mueller.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [mark zuckerberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-zuckerberg.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Silicon Valley, Steve Jobs and Microsoft Backdoors (1:01:15–1:03:49)

The hosts discuss how Silicon Valley companies are reacting to the PRISM revelations. They contrast Microsoft's alleged willingness to provide backdoors with Steve Jobs' reported refusal to allow government access to Apple's iOS platform, suggesting Jobs' death changed the company's stance.

Keywords: [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [steve jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jobs.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [backdoors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/backdoors.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Glenn Greenwald, The Guardian and Brazil (1:03:50–1:06:52)

The background of journalist Glenn Greenwald is examined, including his move from Salon to The Guardian and his residence in Brazil. The hosts discuss his critical stance on the Obama administration and his past defense of David Petraeus during the FBI surveillance scandal.

Keywords: [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), [the guardian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-guardian.md), [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), [salon magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/salon-magazine.md), [defense of marriage act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/defense-of-marriage-act.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/24.md)

### 25. FBI Surveillance, David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell (1:06:53–1:09:13)

A clip from Democracy Now! features Glenn Greenwald discussing the FBI's "massively invasive" investigation into David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell. Greenwald argues that the real scandal was the abuse of the surveillance state to uncover private affairs without evidence of a crime.

Keywords: [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [david petraeus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-petraeus.md), [paula broadwell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paula-broadwell.md), jill kelly, [surveillance state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance-state.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Salon Magazine, John Warnock and William Hambrecht (1:09:13–1:12:46)

The financial backing of Salon Magazine is scrutinized, revealing that board members John Warnock (Adobe) and William Hambrecht have funded the unprofitable site for years. The hosts link these individuals to the broader Silicon Valley and intelligence infrastructure.

Keywords: [salon magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/salon-magazine.md), john warnock, william hambrecht, [adobe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adobe.md), [venture capital](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/venture-capital.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Adobe, Flash Security and Steve Jobs' Letter (1:12:47–1:16:02)

The discussion focuses on Adobe's role in the surveillance ecosystem. They reference Steve Jobs' 2010 "Thoughts on Flash" letter, which cited security and reliability as reasons for excluding Flash from iOS. The hosts suggest Flash is a "black box" used for persistent tracking and spying.

Keywords: [adobe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adobe.md), [flash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flash.md), [steve jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jobs.md), [acrobat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/acrobat.md), security exploits

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Omniture, Mormon Databases and Behavioral Tracking (1:16:03–1:18:32)

Adobe's acquisition of Omniture is highlighted as a key part of a global tracking mechanism. The hosts note Omniture's origins in Utah and its links to Mormon-owned databases. They argue that this "advertising" data is actually a sophisticated behavioral profiling system used by the government.

Keywords: [omniture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/omniture.md), [adobe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adobe.md), [mormons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mormons.md), behavioral data, [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Adobe Primetime, iOS Integration and Kevin Lynch (1:18:33–1:20:56)

The move of Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch to Apple is seen as a precursor to integrating Adobe's "Primetime" video platform into iOS. The hosts warn that this will bring Flash-like tracking capabilities to Apple devices, bypassing the security measures originally established by Steve Jobs.

Keywords: adobe primetime, kevin lynch, [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [ios](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ios.md), video streaming

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Corporate Denials, Weasel Words and WikiLeaks (1:20:58–1:23:27)

The hosts analyze the "weasel words" used by tech companies to deny direct government access to their servers. They point out that Microsoft's denial specifically used the word "voluntarily," suggesting they are compelled by other programs. They also criticize The Guardian's past cooperation with the State Department regarding WikiLeaks.

Keywords: [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [the guardian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-guardian.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Steve Jobs, Cancer Theories and Obama's Exit (1:23:28–1:26:11)

A conspiratorial discussion touches on the deaths of "enemies of the state" like Steve Jobs and Hugo Chavez from cancer. The hosts also replay a clip of President Obama mentioning he will leave office "sometime in the next three and a half years," sparking speculation about an early exit.

Keywords: [steve jobs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jobs.md), [hugo chavez](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hugo-chavez.md), [cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cancer.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [resignation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/resignation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/31.md)

### 32. James Clapper, Eric Holder and Congressional Spying (1:26:12–1:29:18)

The hosts review testimony from DNI James Clapper, who denied the NSA collects data on millions of Americans "wittingly." They also play a clip of Attorney General Eric Holder refusing to tell Congress whether their own phones are being monitored, which the hosts take as a confirmation of spying on the legislature.

Keywords: [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/32.md)

### 33. The Economist, Jihadi Tracking and Adobe Warnings (1:29:19–1:32:25)

A contributor from The Economist argues that the public expects the NSA to track calls to "known jihadis" in Pakistan. The hosts dismiss this as a "pivot" from the real issue of domestic metadata collection. They reiterate their warning against installing Adobe Primetime due to its tracking capabilities.

Keywords: [the economist](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-economist.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), adobe primetime, [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Flash Cookies, Omniture Tracking and Ghostery (1:32:26–1:34:52)

The technical aspects of Omniture tracking via Flash cookies are discussed. The hosts explain that even if the tracking is intended for advertising, the resulting behavioral data is highly valuable for profiling. They recommend using tools like Ghostery to see how many trackers are active on a given webpage.

Keywords: flash cookies, [omniture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/omniture.md), ghostery, behavioral data, [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/34.md)

### 35. HTML5 vs Flash, Tim Cook and Apple's Legacy (1:34:53–1:37:19)

The battle between HTML5 and Flash is framed as a struggle between open standards and proprietary spying tools. The hosts criticize Apple CEO Tim Cook for potentially "pissing on the legacy of Steve Jobs" by allowing Adobe's technology back onto the iOS platform through the back door.

Keywords: [html5](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/html5.md), [flash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flash.md), [tim cook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tim-cook.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [cupertino](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cupertino.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Kevin Lynch, Macromedia History and Team Apple (1:37:20–1:40:56)

The career of Kevin Lynch is traced from Macromedia to Adobe and finally to his new role as VP of Technology at Apple. The hosts question why such a high-level integration expert would move to Apple unless a major technological shift regarding Flash or video was planned.

Keywords: kevin lynch, macromedia, [flash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flash.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [vice president](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vice-president.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/36.md)

### 37. PDF Tracking, EchoSign and Acrobat Security (1:40:56–1:43:35)

The hosts warn that PDF files and Adobe Acrobat are "evil" due to their ability to track documents across large organizations. They mention EchoSign as a tool that "calls home" to Adobe and note that former Adobe executive Stefan Elop's strategies were pivotal in the company's growth.

Keywords: [pdf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pdf.md), acrobat reader, echosign, [government](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/government.md), stefan elop

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Global Donations, 6969 Jingle and Welsh Karma (1:43:35–1:46:05)

Donations are read from around the world, including Patrick Oberham in Australia and Dan Godsall in the UK. A producer in Cardiff, Wales, complains about BBC propaganda. The hosts celebrate a record-breaking day for "69-69" contributions, which they call a historical event for the show.

Keywords: [greg davies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greg-davies.md), [cardiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cardiff.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [baton rouge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baton-rouge.md), [6969](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/6969.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Swazilnov Producer Credits, Part 1 (1:46:06–1:50:15)

The hosts begin reading a long list of producers who contributed to the "Swazilnov" record, including Marco Strauss, Adam Johnson, and Braden Keir. They acknowledge the diverse locations of their supporters, from New York to British Columbia.

Keywords: swazilnov, [ithaca](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ithaca.md), [plymouth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plymouth.md), catskill, [langley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/langley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Swazilnov Producer Credits, Part 2 (1:50:17–1:53:53)

The reading of producer credits continues with names from Texas, Ontario, and Pennsylvania. The hosts note that they reached a record of 74 "69-69" contributions for the episode, marking a significant milestone for the value-for-value model.

Keywords: swazilnov, [houston](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/houston.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [toronto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/toronto.md), [philadelphia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/philadelphia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Michael Allen, Vincent Farrell and Atlanta Travel (1:53:54–1:55:29)

Additional donors are thanked, including Michael Allen and Vincent Farrell. Adam Curry expresses relief that Miss Mickey will likely not be stuck in Atlanta on her way home, and the hosts reiterate their satisfaction with the "value for value" delivered in the episode.

Keywords: [michael allen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-allen.md), vincent farrell, [atlanta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlanta.md), [miss mickey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miss-mickey.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Healthy Surprise, Kale Chips and Homemade Wine (1:55:29–1:58:32)

The hosts discuss their latest "Healthy Surprise" snack boxes, with Dvorak complaining about the prevalence of kale products. They also mention receiving a bottle of homemade wine from a listener in Washington/Alaska, which Curry plans to share with Miss Mickey.

Keywords: [healthy surprise](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthy-surprise.md), kale chips, homemade wine, [alaska](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alaska.md), [washington](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Birthday Wishes, Dame Melody and Lady of the Loom (1:58:34–2:02:54)

Birthdays are celebrated for several listeners, including Rain Stick Sherry and Invictus. Melody Mann is officially dubbed "Dame Melody, Lady of the Loom" for her support during the Hot Pockets Tour and for knitting a special blanket for the hosts.

Keywords: rain stick sherry, invictus, dame melody, [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md), [knitting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knitting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Torrey Pines High School, Student Views on Surveillance (2:02:55–2:04:46)

A student newspaper from Torrey Pines High School in San Diego features quotes from children aged 9 to 12 regarding the DOJ's seizure of AP records. The students largely support the government's actions, citing national security as more important than press freedom, which the hosts call "the future of slaves."

Keywords: torrey pines high school, [san diego](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-diego.md), ap records, [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md), [students](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/students.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Bill Maher, Second Amendment and Fourth Amendment (2:04:46–2:08:25)

Bill Maher is criticized for suggesting that if the Fourth Amendment is obsolete, the Second Amendment should be as well. The hosts argue that the Bill of Rights does not "grant" rights but rather restricts the government from violating pre-existing natural rights.

Keywords: [bill maher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-maher.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md), [fourth amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fourth-amendment.md), [bill of rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-of-rights.md), gun owner

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Deval Patrick, Boston Marathon and Shelter-in-Place (2:08:27–2:12:07)

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick reportedly admitted to getting drunk after the Boston Marathon manhunt. The hosts discuss the "shelter-in-place" order given during the search for the Tsarnaev brothers, which they characterize as teaching citizens to "crouch and cower."

Keywords: [deval patrick](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deval-patrick.md), [boston marathon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boston-marathon.md), shelter-in-place, [watertown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/watertown.md), [massachusetts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/massachusetts.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Yemen Missile Strike, Cluster Bombs and David Petraeus (2:12:09–2:14:46)

A report on the December 2009 missile strike in Yemen reveals that the U.S. used cluster bombs on a Bedouin village, killing 46 people, including 14 women and 21 children. WikiLeaks cables showed that General David Petraeus conspired with the Yemeni government to have them take responsibility for the American strike.

Keywords: [yemen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yemen.md), [cluster bombs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cluster-bombs.md), [david petraeus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-petraeus.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Democracy Now, Amy Goodman and Media Outros (2:14:46–2:16:55)

The hosts critique Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! for cutting off a guest describing the aftermath of the Yemen bombing to read promotional plugs. They also play a clip of a "Central Coast News" anchor stumbling over her words during an "Ag Report" outro.

Keywords: [democracy now](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy-now.md), [amy goodness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amy-goodness.md), [media production](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-production.md), central coast news, ag report

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/48.md)

### 49. House Armed Services Committee, Bipartisan Singing and Tim McLeese (2:16:56–2:19:43)

A clip from the House Armed Services Committee shows members singing a "Republican song" in a bipartisan manner during a bill markup. The hosts use this to wish staff member Tim McLeese a happy birthday while mocking the "clowning" in Congress.

Keywords: [house armed services committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/house-armed-services-committee.md), republican song, tim mcleese, [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Bilderberg Group, Alex Jones and BBC Sunday Politics (2:19:44–2:22:39)

The Bilderberg Group meeting in Watford is discussed, with the hosts leaning toward the "drinking club" theory. They criticize Alex Jones for his "unhinged" appearance on the BBC's Sunday Politics, arguing that his behavior discredits legitimate alternative media and questioning of government power.

Keywords: [bilderberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bilderberg.md), [alex jones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alex-jones.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [conspiracy theories](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theories.md), [fema camps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fema-camps.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Matthew Lesko, FEMA Camps and Information War (2:22:39–2:26:01)

The hosts compare Alex Jones to Matthew Lesko, the "Free Money" guy with the question-mark suit. They argue that Jones' focus on 1970s-style "FEMA camps" misses the more subtle reality of modern re-education and the "information war" being waged on the public.

Keywords: matthew lesko, [fema camps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fema-camps.md), [ndaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ndaa.md), [information war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/information-war.md), [conspiracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/51.md)

### 52. Constitutional Education, Natural Rights and Government Limits (2:26:02–2:29:20)

The discussion emphasizes the importance of teaching children that the Constitution is a limit on government power, not a source of rights. The hosts argue that personal behavior and local influence are the only ways to resist the encroachment of the "one world order" or the loss of the Republic.

Keywords: [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [natural rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/natural-rights.md), [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md), government limits, [bill of rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-of-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/52.md)

### 53. Article 2, Presidential Pitchman and Gerrymandering (2:29:20–2:32:59)

The hosts examine Article 2 of the Constitution, noting the president's role is to petition the government on behalf of the people, not to act as a "pitchman" for internal agendas. They also discuss how gerrymandering in places like Texas and Ohio has created permanent jobs for congressional leaders like John Boehner.

Keywords: [article 2](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/article-2.md), [john boehner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-boehner.md), [gerrymandering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gerrymandering.md), [redistricting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/redistricting.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/53.md)

### 54. Ham Radio, Morse Code and FBI Equipment Tenders (2:32:59–2:35:10)

Adam Curry discusses his interest in ham radio and Morse code. He highlights a recent FBI tender (RFP) for a wide range of amateur radio equipment, jokingly suggesting the bureau is building a lab specifically to monitor his efforts to make Morse code popular again.

Keywords: [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [morse code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morse-code.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [rfp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rfp.md), [icom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/icom.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/54.md)

### 55. John Kerry, Cliche Carry and Camelot Imagery (2:35:16–2:37:28)

Secretary of State John Kerry is mocked for his "droning" speech style and heavy use of cliches. The hosts dub him "Cliche Carry" and note his use of "John F. Kerry" to evoke imagery of the Kennedy administration and the "second coming of Camelot."

Keywords: [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md), [secretary of state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secretary-of-state.md), [cliches](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cliches.md), [camelot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/camelot.md), dead sea

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/55.md)

### 56. Book Club, Kevin the Blade and Legally Drunk (2:37:29–2:40:55)

The hosts plug a new book about Andrew Jackson and vampires. They also promote a project by former intern "Kevin the Blade" called "Come Giggle With Me," a cooking show for people on marijuana. This leads to a pitch for a show called "Legally Drunk," where guests must pass a breathalyzer to participate.

Keywords: [andrew jackson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-jackson.md), [vampires](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vampires.md), kevin the blade, legally drunk, [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/56.md)

### 57. Outro, Nelson Mandela and Sign-off (2:40:55–2:43:03)

The hosts wrap up the show, predicting that a major celebrity death, such as Nelson Mandela, might be used to change the news cycle before Thursday. They sign off from Austin and Silicon Valley, reminding listeners to support the program via the value-for-value model.

Keywords: [nelson mandela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nelson-mandela.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [news cycle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/news-cycle.md), thursday

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/520-kale-donuts/chapter/57.md)

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