# Goys with Guns

> Leaked Department of Justice memos reveal the executive branch's claimed authority to execute American citizens without trial as the administration cements a permanent state of non-international armed conflict.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 485
- **Published:** 2013-02-07
- **Length:** 3h 14m
- **Topics:** Drone Memos, George W. Obama, HSBC Scandal, [ShadowStats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shadowstats.md), Gun Insurance, [Viper Teams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viper-teams.md), Cyber Strikes
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns

## About this episode

Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice face intense scrutiny following the leak of a white paper justifying lethal drone strikes against American citizens. The document establishes a legal framework for the extrajudicial killing of individuals deemed imminent threats by high-level officials like Valerie Jarrett or Janet Napolitano, bypassing traditional due process. This expansion of executive power, branded here as the George W. Obama era, continues the aggressive war-making precedents established after September 2001.

Secondary developments include a $5 billion lawsuit against Standard & Poor’s for subprime mortgage ratings and the $1.9 billion HSBC settlement involving Mexican drug cartel money laundering. In the UK, Prime Minister David Cameron issued an apology for systemic neglect within the National Health Service, while Nigel Farage warned the European Parliament of a looming French bankruptcy. Domestically, the TSA is mocked via a Viper Team parody as California legislators propose mandatory liability insurance for firearm owners. Meanwhile, ShadowStats data suggests real U.S. inflation has reached 10 percent, diverging sharply from official government reports since 1984.

Technical glitches briefly removed the program from the iTunes directory, highlighting the necessity of independent RSS feeds over platforms like Mevio. The Super Bowl XLVII power outage sparked theories of scripted sports entertainment, while local Austin sentiment remains cold toward Lance Armstrong following his Oprah Winfrey confession. Sir Bill and Sir Lynn are inducted into the No Agenda Roundtable as the quest for the 500th episode begins.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/transcript.md.

### 1. Valentine's Day, Marriage Dates, and 50th Birthday Planning (0:00–2:06)

A discussion regarding the strategic timing of marriage on holidays like Valentine's Day to consolidate gift-giving occasions. Personal anecdotes cover the downsides of being born on January 1st or Christmas. Plans for an upcoming 50th birthday involve a debate between a large dinner party and more rowdy celebrations.

Keywords: [valentine's day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/valentine-s-day.md), [marriage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marriage.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [50th birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/50th-birthday.md), [christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Immigration Medical Exams, Green Card Process, and Booster Shots (2:06–4:56)

A detailed account of the medical testing requirements for a spouse's green card application, including mandatory vaccinations and flu shots. The narrative contrasts current experiences with a 25-year-old anecdote involving a stressful blood test in Newark, New Jersey. Concerns are raised regarding the high costs and bureaucratic hurdles of the expedited immigration process.

Keywords: [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [green card](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-card.md), medical exam, [booster shots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/booster-shots.md), [flu shot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flu-shot.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/2.md)

### 3. DOJ White Paper, Drone Strikes, and Eric Holder's Testimony (4:57–9:15)

Attorney General Eric Holder faced questioning regarding a leaked Department of Justice white paper justifying the use of lethal drone strikes against American citizens. The document outlines legal precedents for targeting individuals deemed imminent threats without traditional due process. Critics point out that the administration previously advocated for the release of Bush-era torture memos while remaining secretive about current drone operations.

Keywords: [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [white paper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-paper.md), [department of justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-justice.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/3.md)

### 4. NBC News Drone Memo Leak and Jay Carney's Press Briefing (9:16–13:53)

NBC News obtained an exclusive government document detailing the legal justification for killing Al-Qaeda suspects, including U.S. citizens. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney defended the policy during a briefing, emphasizing the President's responsibility to protect the nation. The media's reaction to President Obama's "kill list" is analyzed, noting the lack of direct questioning during presidential appearances.

Keywords: [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), [jay carney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jay-carney.md), [brian williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brian-williams.md), drone memo, [press briefing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/press-briefing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Presidential Oath of Office, Constitution, and Article II Powers (13:54–17:08)

An analysis of the Presidential oath of office highlights that the President swears to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution rather than individual citizens. The discussion enumerates the twelve specific constitutional powers granted to the executive branch under Article II. Arguments are made that drone strikes and targeted killings fall outside these explicitly defined roles.

Keywords: [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [oath of office](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oath-of-office.md), article ii, [commander-in-chief](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/commander-in-chief.md), [executive power](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-power.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/5.md)

### 6. George W. Obama, War Powers, and Targeted Killing Legality (17:08–20:32)

The administration is characterized as "George W. Obama" for continuing and expanding war powers established after the September 2001 attacks. Jay Carney asserted that targeted strikes against Al-Qaeda leaders are legal, ethical, and wise, regardless of U.S. citizenship. The legal framework relies on the concept of "imminence" and the inability to capture suspects in foreign territories.

Keywords: [war powers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-powers.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [targeted killing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/targeted-killing.md), [due process](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/due-process.md), [jay carney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jay-carney.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/6.md)

### 7. International Humanitarian Law and High-Level Official Determinations (20:32–23:07)

The drone policy's legal foundation is linked to International Humanitarian Law (IHL) and the laws of armed conflict. According to the white paper, a "high-level official" must determine if a citizen poses an imminent threat before a strike is authorized. Potential officials mentioned as having this authority include Janet Napolitano and Valerie Jarrett.

Keywords: international humanitarian law, geneva conventions, hague conventions, [janet napolitano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-napolitano.md), [valerie jarrett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/valerie-jarrett.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Touré MSNBC Segment, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and Drone Ethics (23:08–25:57)

MSNBC host Touré is criticized for his defense of drone strikes and his apparent lack of knowledge regarding the death of 16-year-old American citizen Abdulrahman al-Awlaki. The segment explores the argument that joining Al-Qaeda constitutes treason and results in the forfeiture of constitutional rights. Concerns are raised about the lack of evidence required for such extrajudicial executions.

Keywords: touré, [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [abdulrahman al-awlaki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abdulrahman-al-awlaki.md), [treason](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treason.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Non-International Armed Conflict, Public Perception of Vigilantism (25:57–30:32)

The legal term "Non-International Armed Conflict" (NIAC) is identified as the justification for using military force against citizens labeled as enemy combatants. The discussion suggests that the American public has been conditioned by television to accept vigilantism and extrajudicial killings. This cultural shift is blamed for the lack of outrage over the bypass of the judicial system.

Keywords: niac, [belligerent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belligerent.md), [enemy combatant](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/enemy-combatant.md), [public opinion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-opinion.md), [vigilantism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vigilantism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Drones as Obfuscation, Sniper Teams, and International Human Rights (30:49–33:15)

The focus on "drones" is described as a distraction from the broader issue of the government's claimed power to kill anyone, anywhere, using any method such as sniper teams or satellite weaponry. Warnings are issued against relying on United Nations definitions of human rights, which may contain loopholes for "belligerents."

Keywords: [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), [human rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-rights.md), sniper teams, [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Cyber Warfare Pre-emptive Strike Powers, New York Times Report (33:16–34:59)

A New York Times report revealed that President Obama has claimed personal authority to order pre-emptive cyber strikes against foreign nations. These cyber weapons are described as having power equivalent to nuclear armaments. Predictions are made regarding a major "phony" cyber attack, possibly attributed to Iran, occurring within the next few months to justify these powers.

Keywords: [cyber warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-warfare.md), pre-emptive strike, [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md), [cyber attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-attack.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Bulgaria Bus Bombing Investigation, Hezbollah, and Dual Nationals (35:00–36:33)

Bulgarian investigators linked Hezbollah to a 2012 bus bombing targeting Israeli tourists, citing the involvement of Canadian and Australian dual nationals. The report is viewed skeptically as a potential scripted plot to increase pressure on Iran. The focus on dual citizenship in the investigation is highlighted as a significant narrative shift.

Keywords: [bulgaria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bulgaria.md), [hezbollah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hezbollah.md), bus bombing, dual nationals, [lebanon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lebanon.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Gun Control Legislation, Dual Citizenship, and Brother Nathanael (36:33–42:25)

A discussion regarding online claims that Jewish politicians like Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are the primary drivers of gun control legislation. The segment references "Brother Nathanael," a controversial figure who produces videos about Jewish influence and firearms ownership. The hosts discuss the social taboo of addressing these topics and the potential for media backlash.

Keywords: [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [dianne feinstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dianne-feinstein.md), [chuck schumer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-schumer.md), brother nathanael, [antisemitism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antisemitism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/13.md)

### 14. No Agenda Art Generator, Paul Couture, and Technical Issues (42:25–44:23)

The hosts address ongoing technical issues with the No Agenda Art Generator, noting that new artists are unable to sign up. Efforts to contact the site's administrator, Paul Couture, have reportedly been unsuccessful for over a month. There is a call for community assistance to resolve the problem or potentially start a new generator.

Keywords: [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [paul couture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-couture.md), [art generator](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/art-generator.md), ruby, [podcast artwork](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-artwork.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/14.md)

### 15. US State Relocation Analysis, Tax Rates, and Quality of Life (44:24–50:00)

A donor's plan to leave California prompts a comparative analysis of various U.S. states. Nevada and Arizona are criticized for their landscapes and demographics, while Florida is noted for its lack of state income tax and asset protection laws despite a high "douchebag" population. Texas is ultimately recommended for its economic environment, while Colorado is jokingly dismissed as "radioactive."

Keywords: [nevada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nevada.md), [arizona](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arizona.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [washington state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-state.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Costa Rica Tourism, Expats, and Puddle Jumpers (50:00–51:43)

The hosts discuss the rising popularity of Costa Rica as a destination for American retirees and expats. While one host expresses skepticism based on older anecdotes about bugs and "old folks," they acknowledge its proximity to Texas and the frequent mentions of its beauty in modern travel circles.

Keywords: [costa rica](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/costa-rica.md), [expats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/expats.md), [travel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel.md), [central america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/central-america.md), [tourism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tourism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Dutch Gun Handbags, TSA Security, and Dame Astrid (51:43–55:48)

Dame Astrid sent a gift to the show: a Dutch-designed handbag featuring an embossed 3D outline of a nine-millimeter handgun. The hosts debate whether carrying such a provocative item through TSA security would result in confiscation. The bag is described as a high-end fashion statement that mimics the appearance of a concealed weapon.

Keywords: gun handbag, [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [dame astrid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dame-astrid.md), [fashion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fashion.md), [security screening](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-screening.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Amtrak Security Drill Parody, Viper Teams, and Passenger Obedience (55:49–58:00)

A satirical audio clip parodies Amtrak security announcements, claiming that TSA "Viper Teams" will conduct "passenger obedience tests" involving invasive searches. The clip mocks the increasing presence of federal security theater on public transportation. The hosts clarify the satirical nature of the audio after its initial playback.

Keywords: [amtrak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amtrak.md), [viper teams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viper-teams.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md), [satire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satire.md), [security drills](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-drills.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Dune Buggy Golf Carts, Saudi Arabia Export, and Weed in Washington (58:02–59:45)

A business update from a listener reveals that Dune Buggy Golf Carts has successfully shipped its first multi-cart order to Saudi Arabia. Separately, a donor from Oregon comments on the lack of available marijuana in Washington State despite its legal status, citing it as a reason to avoid moving there.

Keywords: dune buggy, golf carts, [saudi arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [washington state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-state.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/19.md)

### 20. CIA Confirmation Hearings, John Brennan, and George W. Obama (59:45–1:03:19)

The hosts preview upcoming C-SPAN coverage of confirmation hearings for John Brennan as CIA Director and testimony from Leon Panetta. They reiterate the "George W. Obama" branding to highlight the continuity of Bush-era policies under the current administration. The segment emphasizes the importance of monitoring these hearings for linguistic gaffes and policy reveals.

Keywords: [john brennan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-brennan.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [confirmation hearing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/confirmation-hearing.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [leon panetta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leon-panetta.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/20.md)

### 21. iTunes Podcast De-listing, Mevio, and Feed Independence (1:03:19–1:07:05)

The No Agenda show briefly disappeared from the iTunes podcast directory due to a technical error. Investigation revealed that the hosting platform Mevio had the ability to hide shows within the iTunes interface, which was accidentally triggered during "spring cleaning." The incident is used to advocate for direct RSS feed subscriptions to avoid reliance on third-party gatekeepers.

Keywords: [itunes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/itunes.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [mevio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mevio.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [rss feed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rss-feed.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/21.md)

### 22. ShadowStats Inflation Charts, Government Data Manipulation, and 1984 (1:07:06–1:11:43)

An analysis of ShadowStats data suggests that the U.S. government has been systematically underreporting inflation and unemployment since 1984. While official figures claim low inflation, alternative calculations based on pre-1980 methodologies place it at approximately 10%. The divergence in data is presented as a deliberate effort to mask the true state of the economy.

Keywords: [shadowstats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shadowstats.md), [inflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inflation.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [cpi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cpi.md), [1984](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1984.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Bond Market Collapse Theory, Debt Monetization, and Shorting Strategies (1:11:44–1:18:06)

The discussion explores the potential for a catastrophic collapse of the U.S. bond market due to the Federal Reserve's policy of printing money to buy its own debt. Financial analysts like Peter Schiff are cited regarding the risks of hyperinflation or deflation. The hosts debate the mechanics of bonds and the potential for savvy investors to make fortunes by shorting the market during a crash.

Keywords: [bond market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bond-market.md), [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md), [debt monetization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-monetization.md), [peter schiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-schiff.md), [ben bernanke](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ben-bernanke.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Richard Cordray, 401k Nationalization, and Pension Confiscation (1:18:06–1:21:46)

Richard Cordray, head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, is identified as a key figure in potential plans to nationalize private 401k and retirement accounts. The theory suggests the government might seize these assets to back federal bonds and prevent an economic collapse. Similar pension struggles in the Netherlands are cited as a precursor to this global trend.

Keywords: [richard cordray](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-cordray.md), [401k](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/401k.md), [pensions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pensions.md), [consumer financial protection bureau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/consumer-financial-protection-bureau.md), [nationalization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nationalization.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Economic Collapse Cycles, Cyber Terror Pretext, and Jeopardy Winners (1:21:47–1:27:58)

Predictions are made for a major economic collapse in October 2013, potentially triggered by a cyber attack on the Federal Reserve. The hosts discuss how such an emergency could be used as a pretext for confiscating private wealth while leaving citizens dependent on Social Security. A brief tangent explores Richard Cordray's history as a successful Jeopardy! contestant.

Keywords: [economic collapse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-collapse.md), [social security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-security.md), [bernie madoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-madoff.md), [richard cordray](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-cordray.md), [jeopardy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeopardy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Super Bowl Power Outage, Rigged Sports, and European Soccer (1:27:59–1:33:29)

The 33-minute power outage during Super Bowl XLVII is scrutinized as a potential fix to influence betting spreads. This is compared to a massive Europol investigation into 680 rigged professional soccer matches in Europe. The hosts theorize that professional sports are scripted entertainment designed for social control and gambling revenue.

Keywords: [super bowl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-bowl.md), [power outage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-outage.md), [rigged sports](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rigged-sports.md), [europol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/europol.md), [match fixing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/match-fixing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Lance Armstrong, Livestrong, and Austin Public Opinion (1:33:30–1:35:35)

The public fall of Lance Armstrong is discussed from the perspective of his hometown, Austin, Texas. While his charitable work with Livestrong is acknowledged, local sentiment reportedly views him as personally unpleasant. The hosts question the timing of his confession to Oprah Winfrey and the broader implications for the sports industry.

Keywords: [lance armstrong](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lance-armstrong.md), livestrong, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [doping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doping.md), [oprah winfrey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oprah-winfrey.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/27.md)

### 28. USADA Private Authority, Workplace Doping, and International Treaties (1:35:36–1:40:21)

The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is identified as a private organization that derives authority from international treaties and government funding. The hosts argue that the crackdown on athletes is a precursor to mandatory "doping" tests in the general workplace. The goal is theorized to be the elimination of illegal drugs in favor of corporate pharmaceutical products.

Keywords: usada, [doping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doping.md), international treaties, workplace testing, [pharmaceutical industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-industry.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/28.md)

### 29. USADA Board Members, GlaxoSmithKline, and Pharmaceutical Ties (1:40:22–1:45:51)

An examination of USADA's leadership reveals deep ties to major pharmaceutical companies like GlaxoSmithKline and Baxter International. CEO Travis Tygart's compensation and the agency's research grants are scrutinized. The hosts conclude that USADA functions more as a pharmaceutical research and lobbying arm than a simple sports regulator.

Keywords: usada, [glaxosmithkline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glaxosmithkline.md), [baxter international](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baxter-international.md), travis tygart, [pharmaceutical industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-industry.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Doping in Curling and Archery, Global Testing Standards (1:45:52–1:49:16)

Reports of doping scandals in traditionally low-intensity sports like curling and archery are highlighted as evidence of the anti-doping industry's overreach. The World Anti-Doping Agency's efforts to harmonize testing standards globally are viewed as a move toward a "New World Order" in medical surveillance.

Keywords: [curling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/curling.md), archery, [doping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doping.md), world anti-doping agency, [testing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/testing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Off-Grid Living, Atlanta Traffic, and Karma Requests (1:49:16–1:54:06)

Listener stories include a report from an off-grid cabin in the Salish Sea and a critique of the dangerous driving conditions in Atlanta, Georgia. The hosts fulfill various "karma" requests for health, travel, and employment. The segment reinforces the "value for value" model through listener-supported content.

Keywords: off-grid, [atlanta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlanta.md), [traffic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/traffic.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Ham Radio Projects, Aloha Oregon, and Anime Costumes (1:54:07–1:57:08)

A donor from Aloha, Oregon, clarifies the local pronunciation of the town name and shares details of a new HF radio project. The segment includes a discussion of "anime" culture and a special "ham donation" of $88.88. One host describes a wireless, low-power radio project designed for easy global communication.

Keywords: [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), aloha oregon, [anime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anime.md), hf transceiver, [kf5sln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kf5sln.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Mountain Manifesto Podcast, Atlas Shrugged, and Dutch Lottery (1:57:09–1:59:34)

The "Mountain Manifesto" podcast is introduced as a hillbilly-themed program from Appalachia. A donor from the Netherlands compares his quest for knighthood to the state lottery system. The hosts provide "Atlas Shrugged" themed sound effects and karma for various listener ventures.

Keywords: mountain manifesto, [ayn rand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ayn-rand.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [lottery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lottery.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Sobriety Milestones, Pittsburgh Culture, and Coding Ninjas (1:59:34–2:03:53)

A donor celebrates one year of sobriety and makes amends for past "douchebaggery" by contributing to the show. Another listener describes the grueling corporate culture in Pittsburgh, where employees are shamed for taking lunch breaks. The hosts criticize the tech industry's use of terms like "Coding Ninja" to exploit software developers.

Keywords: [sobriety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sobriety.md), [pittsburgh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pittsburgh.md), [corporate culture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporate-culture.md), software developers, coding ninja

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Submariner News, Safeway Produce, and Birthday Lists (2:03:54–2:10:42)

A U.S. Navy submariner shares how the podcast helps him catch up on news between port calls. A Safeway employee discusses the poor quality of corporate produce, specifically tasteless iceberg lettuce. The segment concludes with birthday shout-outs for listeners and their family members.

Keywords: [submarine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/submarine.md), [safeway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/safeway.md), iceberg lettuce, [perth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/perth.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Marijuana and Productivity, Poop Police, and Climate Gate (2:10:43–2:16:27)

A donor argues that marijuana use can lead to productive actions, such as supporting the podcast. The hosts fulfill a request for "Poop Police" sound effects and provide karma for a listener taking an A+ 702 technical certification test. The "Climate Gate" jingle is played for a job seeker in Houston.

Keywords: [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [poop police](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poop-police.md), [climate gate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-gate.md), [job hunting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-hunting.md), test taking

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Commodity Money, Sobriety Amends, and El Paso Douchebags (2:16:29–2:20:25)

A debate on the merits of metal commodity money versus Federal Reserve notes highlights the diminishing purchasing power of paper currency. A recovering alcoholic uses his donation as part of a "ninth step" amends process. The citizens of El Paso, Texas, are jokingly called out as "douchebags" at a donor's request.

Keywords: commodity money, [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md), [inflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inflation.md), [el paso](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/el-paso.md), [sobriety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sobriety.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Episode 500 Planning, Knighting Ceremony, and No Agenda Pins (2:20:27–2:23:25)

The hosts calculate that the 500th episode of the show will fall on Sunday, March 30, 2014. A formal knighting ceremony is held for Sir Bill and Sir Lynn, inducting them into the No Agenda Roundtable. Discussion continues regarding the design and production of official show pins for donors.

Keywords: [episode 500](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/episode-500.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [roundtable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roundtable.md), [pins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pins.md), march 30

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/38.md)

### 39. IRS Filing Issues, NSA Challenge Coins, and Silver Bullion (2:23:25–2:25:54)

One host describes a stressful letter from the IRS regarding a missing 2010 tax filing despite using TurboTax. The segment also features a "thank you" for an NSA challenge coin and a silver bullion coin with a "Keep Calm and Slave On" design. The coins are discussed as symbols of the current political and economic climate.

Keywords: [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [challenge coin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/challenge-coin.md), [silver](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silver.md), [turbotax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turbotax.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Post Office Pension Scam, Shipping Restrictions, and Moonshine (2:25:55–2:30:13)

The financial struggles of the U.S. Postal Service are attributed to a mandate to pre-pay pensions 75 years in advance. New shipping restrictions on perfume and alcohol are discussed, alongside the difficulties of moving wine collections between homes. The hosts praise a listener-provided "No Agenda Moonshine" and discuss potential ways to distribute it.

Keywords: [usps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usps.md), [pensions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pensions.md), [moonshine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moonshine.md), moving companies, alcohol shipping

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/40.md)

### 41. School Zero Tolerance Policies, Super Bowl Propaganda, and Sandy Hook Kids (2:30:14–2:34:00)

A seven-year-old was suspended for throwing an "imaginary grenade" at school, highlighting the absurdity of zero-tolerance policies. The hosts analyze the Super Bowl's use of Sandy Hook elementary students and Jennifer Hudson as a "mixed message" of anti-gun sentiment paired with military flyovers. This is described as a psychological tactic to confuse and condition the public.

Keywords: [zero tolerance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zero-tolerance.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [super bowl](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-bowl.md), [jennifer hudson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jennifer-hudson.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Al Sharpton's Pledge of Allegiance, MSNBC Slogans, and Secularism (2:34:01–2:36:30)

Reverend Al Sharpton is criticized for omitting "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance during an MSNBC promotional segment. The ad's focus on specific demographic rights while excluding others is analyzed as a form of cultural propaganda. The hosts question Sharpton's status as a religious leader given the secular nature of the broadcast.

Keywords: [al sharpton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-sharpton.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [pledge of allegiance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pledge-of-allegiance.md), [secularism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secularism.md), [voting rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voting-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Exploitation of Newtown Students, Ryan Seacrest, and Pop Lyrics (2:36:30–2:39:52)

The appearance of Newtown students on Ryan Seacrest's Grammy red carpet show is condemned as exploitation of the Sandy Hook tragedy. The choice of the song "Call Me Maybe" for the children to sing is scrutinized for its suggestive lyrics. The hosts argue that the media is using these children to maintain a specific emotional narrative.

Keywords: [newtown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newtown.md), [ryan seacrest](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ryan-seacrest.md), [grammys](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grammys.md), call me maybe, [exploitation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/exploitation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Muslim Patrols in London, Sharia Law, and European Integration (2:39:54–2:43:16)

Reports from London, Denmark, Belgium, and Spain describe "Muslim patrols" attempting to enforce Sharia law in public spaces. These groups reportedly harass individuals for drinking alcohol, wearing short skirts, or being gay. The segment explores the failure of integration in European societies and the rise of religious vigilantism.

Keywords: muslim patrols, [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [sharia law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sharia-law.md), [belgium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belgium.md), [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/44.md)

### 45. S&P Incompetence Lawsuit, Subprime Mortgages, and Banker Immunity (2:43:16–2:47:12)

The U.S. government is suing Standard & Poor's for $5 billion, alleging the agency knowingly gave high ratings to risky subprime mortgage packages. The hosts argue that S&P is being used as a scapegoat while the bankers who created the toxic financial instruments face no criminal charges. Personal losses from the 2008 housing collapse are cited during the critique.

Keywords: s&p, [subprime mortgages](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subprime-mortgages.md), cdos, [department of justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-justice.md), [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/45.md)

### 46. HSBC Money Laundering Settlement, Drug Cartels, and Lanny Breuer (2:47:12–2:49:22)

The $1.9 billion settlement with HSBC for laundering money for Mexican drug cartels and terrorist-linked banks is criticized as a "new low" for the "too big to fail" doctrine. Despite the severity of the crimes, no individual executives faced criminal charges or fines. The departure of DOJ official Lanny Breuer is noted in connection with these lenient settlements.

Keywords: [hsbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hsbc.md), [money laundering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/money-laundering.md), [drug cartels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drug-cartels.md), [lanny breuer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lanny-breuer.md), [too big to fail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/too-big-to-fail.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/46.md)

### 47. NHS Neglect Report, Universal Healthcare, and Government Inefficiency (2:49:24–2:52:01)

UK Prime Minister David Cameron apologized for a report detailing horrific neglect within the National Health Service (NHS). The report describes patients left in their own waste and denied pain medication due to staff complacency. The hosts use this as an example of why government-run systems are inherently inefficient and prone to failure.

Keywords: [nhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nhs.md), [david cameron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-cameron.md), [healthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), government failure

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Guess the Movie Segment, 2012 Film, and Mayan Prophecies (2:52:03–2:54:36)

A new segment titled "Guess the Movie" features an audio clip from the 2012 disaster film. The hosts discuss the absurdity of the Mayan apocalypse craze and the "maniacs" who attended conventions based on the prophecy. The segment is intended to replace the previous "Ask Adam" format.

Keywords: [2012](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2012.md), mayan prophecy, disaster movies, john cusack, film trivia

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Janet Napolitano 2016, Gun Liability Insurance, and Uninsured Shooters (2:54:37–2:57:43)

Speculation arises regarding Janet Napolitano's potential run for the presidency in 2016. Meanwhile, California legislators have introduced a bill requiring gun owners to carry liability insurance, a move predicted by the hosts. The term "uninsured shooter" is proposed as a new label for those who bypass these potential regulations.

Keywords: [janet napolitano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-napolitano.md), [2016 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2016-election.md), gun insurance, [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Don Lemon Gender Roles Segment, Spanish Study, and Subtle Propaganda (2:57:43–3:03:28)

CNN's Don Lemon featured a segment on a Spanish study claiming that men who perform traditional "female" chores have less active sex lives. The hosts criticize the segment as subtle propaganda aimed at social engineering and making everyone "the same." They argue that such reports are part of a broader "Culture Creationism" effort by the UN and other global entities.

Keywords: [don lemon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/don-lemon.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [gender roles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gender-roles.md), [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Nigel Farage Speech, French Bankruptcy, and Mali Intervention (3:03:30–3:07:27)

Nigel Farage delivered a scathing speech in the European Parliament, criticizing French President François Hollande for his economic policies and the military intervention in Mali. Farage argued that the Euro is doomed and that the EU is transforming into a "militaristic, war-like" entity. The speech highlights the growing competitiveness gap between France and Germany.

Keywords: [nigel farage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nigel-farage.md), [francois hollande](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/francois-hollande.md), [mali](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mali.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [euro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/euro.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/51.md)

### 52. Utility Bicycles, Austin Bike Culture, and Show Outro (3:07:28–3:14:48)

The hosts discuss the lack of "utility bicycles" in America compared to the Netherlands, noting that most U.S. bikes are for racing or mountain use. A plan to start a Dutch bike business in Austin is proposed to provide practical transportation for errands. The show concludes with a final playback of the Amtrak security parody and sign-offs.

Keywords: [bicycles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bicycles.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), dutch bikes, fixies, [transportation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transportation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/485-goys-with-guns/chapter/52.md)

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