# Mac and Cheese

> The White House uses holiday media blitzes to mask economic warnings while military tracking of mythical figures sets a precedent for state-sponsored deception.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 473
- **Published:** 2012-12-27
- **Length:** 2h 43m
- **Topics:** [Fiscal Cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [NORAD](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norad.md), [Lisa Jackson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisa-jackson.md), [Benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [SpaceX](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spacex.md), [NDAA](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ndaa.md), Naphtha
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese

## About this episode

President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama appeared on a holiday special with Barbara Walters, where the President claimed he remained awake during the entire Bin Laden raid. This narrative is challenged by reports placing him on the golf course during the operation, while the First Lady’s promotion of macaroni and cheese is interpreted as a signal for the public to prepare for the looming fiscal cliff and economic austerity.

In the Netherlands, a marketing firm allegedly staged a leak of the Dutch Queen’s Christmas speech to manufacture viral interest in her pro-Europe agenda. Meanwhile, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) utilized military infrastructure to track Santa Claus, a move critics argue acclimates the public to government-sanctioned misinformation. In the corporate sector, Randy Zuckerberg faced backlash over a leaked kitchen photo that appeared to be a staged advertisement for Facebook’s Poke app, while EPA Chief Lisa Jackson announced her resignation as the administration reshuffles for a second term.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak exchange unconventional Christmas gifts including a Thunder Tube and a kazoo while broadcasting from Amsterdam and Silicon Valley. Curry recounts a narrow escape from Benghazi as an infant on a De Havilland Comet, and the duo issues a challenge to the global listener network to procure an authentic Mongolian hat directly from the desert.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Christmas Gifts, Thunder Tube and Kazoo (0:00–2:37)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show from Amsterdam and Silicon Valley respectively. Dvorak describes receiving a "Thunder Tube" and a kazoo as Christmas gifts, while Curry discusses his current living situation in the "Gibbonation Lowlands" during his exile in the Netherlands.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), thunder tube, [kazoo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kazoo.md), [christmas gifts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas-gifts.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Swedish Christmas Traditions, The Little Troll Story (2:40–5:53)

Adam Curry recounts celebrating a non-commercial Christmas in The Hague with an extended family. He describes a Swedish story called "The Little Troll" about a troll who becomes human by helping others, contrasting it with the commercial nature of "The Night Before Christmas" in the United States.

Keywords: [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), the little troll, [christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas.md), [the hague](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-hague.md), [singapore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/singapore.md), [storytelling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/storytelling.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Dutch Royal Family, Queen's Christmas Speech PR Stunt (5:54–8:12)

A marketing firm allegedly staged a "leak" of the Dutch Queen's Christmas speech a day early to generate interest in her pro-Europe message. The hosts analyze this as a "bogative" PR move designed to make an otherwise ignored broadcast go viral through social media channels.

Keywords: queen of the netherlands, [christmas speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas-speech.md), [pr stunt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pr-stunt.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), leaked video

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Facebook Poke App, Randy Zuckerberg Kitchen Photo Controversy (8:13–11:49)

Randy Zuckerberg expressed public anger over a private family photo being reposted, but the hosts argue the image was a staged advertisement for Facebook's new "Poke" app. The photo features the Zuckerberg family in a kitchen appearing to enjoy the game, which the hosts characterize as a cynical and insincere promotional stunt.

Keywords: [randy zuckerberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/randy-zuckerberg.md), [mark zuckerberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-zuckerberg.md), facebook poke, [viral marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viral-marketing.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/4.md)

### 5. NORAD Santa Tracker, Military Technology and Media Deception (11:50–15:55)

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) released its annual Santa tracker report, which a spokesperson compared to the technology used to track North Korean Taepodong missiles. The hosts argue that using military infrastructure to promote a fictional character trains the public to accept media lies and government-sanctioned misinformation.

Keywords: [norad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/norad.md), [santa tracker](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/santa-tracker.md), [north korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-korea.md), taepodong missile, [media skepticism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-skepticism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Parental Deception, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy (15:56–18:20)

The hosts debate the ethics and humor of lying to children about mythical figures like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. They discuss the "somnambulistic" state of the youthful brain and how parents participate in these ruses for entertainment.

Keywords: [parenting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parenting.md), [santa claus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/santa-claus.md), tooth fairy, [childhood development](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/childhood-development.md), [humor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/humor.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Barbara Walters Interview, Barack Obama Bin Laden Raid Claims (18:21–21:04)

Barack Obama and Michelle Obama appeared in a holiday interview with Barbara Walters. The hosts criticize the President's claim that he stayed awake the night before the Bin Laden raid, citing reports that he was actually on the golf course and disconnected from the immediate operation.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [barbara walters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-walters.md), [osama bin laden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osama-bin-laden.md), [navy seals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/navy-seals.md), [abc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Secret Service Protection, Obama Gun Control Hypocrisy (21:05–22:31)

President Obama joked that a primary incentive for his re-election was maintaining Secret Service protection for his daughters. The hosts highlight the irony of the President advocating for gun control while simultaneously valuing the protection provided by armed guards for his own family.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md), [elitism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elitism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Presidential Perks, Air Force One and TSA Exemptions (22:31–25:10)

President Obama cited not having to take off his shoes for airport security as a top presidential perk. The hosts mock the elitism of the President and Barbara Walters, noting their disconnect from the travel experiences of average citizens who must endure TSA screenings and commercial flight delays.

Keywords: [air force one](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-force-one.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [barbara walters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbara-walters.md), [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [private aviation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/private-aviation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Michelle Obama, Macaroni and Cheese Holiday Message (25:10–26:44)

Michelle Obama discussed serving macaroni and cheese during the holidays, momentarily setting aside her "Let's Move" health initiative. The hosts interpret the emphasis on "mac and cheese" as a subtle message preparing the public for economic hardship following the upcoming fiscal cliff.

Keywords: [michelle obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michelle-obama.md), [let's move](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/let-s-move.md), [mac and cheese](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mac-and-cheese.md), [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), holiday food

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Podcast Explanations, Lightning Rod and Grounding Ribbon Metaphor (26:45–30:05)

Adam Curry describes the difficulty of explaining podcasting to strangers and introduces a metaphor for his partnership with Dvorak. He characterizes himself as a "lightning rod" for controversy and Dvorak as the "grounding ribbon" that dissipates the energy, making their dynamic functional.

Keywords: [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), lightning rod, grounding ribbon, [social dynamics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-dynamics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/11.md)

### 12. European Payment Systems, Chip and PIN vs Magnetic Stripe (30:06–35:56)

Adam Curry reports that many European retailers, particularly in the Netherlands, have stopped accepting American magnetic stripe credit cards in favor of "Pin" or Chip and PIN technology. He notes that some stores now refuse cash entirely, creating significant hurdles for American tourists whose banks have not yet adopted the digital chip standard.

Keywords: [credit cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/credit-cards.md), [chip and pin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chip-and-pin.md), magnetic stripe, [europe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/europe.md), [banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/12.md)

### 13. International Banking Treaties, American Expat Financial Challenges (35:58–38:41)

New international treaties and IRS reporting requirements have made it increasingly difficult for Americans to maintain bank accounts in Europe. The hosts discuss how banks are closing accounts for US citizens to avoid the administrative burden of reporting financial activity to the United States government.

Keywords: [fatca](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fatca.md), [banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking.md), [internal revenue service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internal-revenue-service.md), tax reporting, [europe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/europe.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/13.md)

### 14. All You Need Is Love, Dutch Reality Television (38:44–41:03)

Adam Curry describes a popular Dutch Christmas television program called "All You Need Is Love," which reunites long-distance couples. He compares the emotional format to the vintage American show "This Is Your Life" and comments on the somber, gray atmosphere of the Dutch holiday season.

Keywords: [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [reality tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reality-tv.md), all you need is love, christmas specials, [entertainment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/entertainment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/14.md)

### 15. George H.W. Bush, ICU Admission and Death Watch (41:03–45:04)

Former President George H.W. Bush has been admitted to the ICU in Houston suffering from a persistent fever and bronchitis. The hosts predict his passing may be imminent and discuss how his death, or that of Nelson Mandela, could serve as a major media distraction from the fiscal cliff.

Keywords: [george h.w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-h-w-bush.md), [intensive care unit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intensive-care-unit.md), [houston](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/houston.md), [bronchitis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bronchitis.md), [nelson mandela](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nelson-mandela.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Dairy Cliff, Media Distraction Tactics (45:05–47:44)

CBS News and other outlets have begun reporting on a "dairy cliff," warning that milk prices could spike to $8 per gallon if the Farm Bill is not addressed. The hosts dismiss this as a manufactured crisis designed to distract the public from the actual fiscal cliff and debt ceiling negotiations.

Keywords: dairy cliff, [milk prices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/milk-prices.md), [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [farm bill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/farm-bill.md), [media manipulation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-manipulation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/16.md)

### 17. H&R Block, Alternative Minimum Tax Warning (47:45–52:51)

H&R Block has issued warnings to clients regarding "Taxmageddon" and the expiration of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) patch. Without legislative action, approximately 30 million taxpayers could see significant tax increases and delayed refunds, with some middle-income households owing thousands of dollars more for the 2012 tax year.

Keywords: h&r block, [alternative minimum tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-minimum-tax.md), taxmageddon, [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/17.md)

### 18. No Agenda Support, Art Generator and Exile Conditions (52:51–55:43)

The hosts thank the "human resources" in the chat room and the artists contributing to the No Agenda Art Generator. Adam Curry describes his cramped living conditions in Amsterdam, jokingly comparing his temporary setup to a "Hot Pockets tour."

Keywords: [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Executive Producer Donations, Gun Culture and Google Plus (55:44–1:02:29)

The hosts read notes from high-tier donors, including Felix Cornici and Scott Morgan. They discuss the ownership of gun-related domains and the growth of the No Agenda community on Google Plus, which recently surpassed 1,000 members.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), thegunculture.com, [google plus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-plus.md), [no agenda club](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-club.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Global Listener Network, Mongolian Hat Challenge (1:02:29–1:06:30)

Adam Curry highlights the reach of the No Agenda network, mentioning listeners helping with ham radio equipment and art projects. He issues a challenge to the audience to procure an authentic Mongolian hat directly from a person in the desert to demonstrate the show's global connectivity.

Keywords: [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), [mongolia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mongolia.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [networking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/networking.md), listener challenges

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Harry Reid, Vitiation of NDAA Amendments (1:06:35–1:10:00)

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid used the legal term "vitiate" to quietly strip an amendment from the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would have protected citizens from indefinite detention. The hosts explain that "vitiate" serves as a code word for destroying the legal validity of a provision, allowing controversial measures to be removed without public outcry.

Keywords: [harry reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harry-reid.md), [ndaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ndaa.md), vitiate, [indefinite detention](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indefinite-detention.md), senate procedure

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Political Language, Fascist Roots of Folks and Clarity (1:10:04–1:14:05)

The hosts analyze the etymology of common political phrases, linking "let me be clear" to fascist rhetorical styles intended to silence questioning. They further explore the use of the word "folks" (derived from the German *Volk*) and "homeland," arguing these terms reflect an elitist and nationalist shift in American political language.

Keywords: [etymology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/etymology.md), [fascism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fascism.md), [folks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/folks.md), [homeland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland.md), [political rhetoric](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-rhetoric.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Second Amendment Interpretation, Constitutional Rights vs Government Limits (1:14:06–1:19:18)

The hosts critique President Obama's description of the Second Amendment as "granting" a right to bear arms. They argue that the Bill of Rights does not grant rights but rather prohibits the government from infringing upon pre-existing natural rights, a distinction they claim is often lost in modern political discourse.

Keywords: [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md), [constitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/constitution.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [bill of rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-of-rights.md), [gun rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/23.md)

### 24. David Gregory, NBC Gun Law Violation Stunt (1:19:19–1:22:05)

NBC's David Gregory is under investigation for displaying a high-capacity 30-round magazine during an interview on "Meet the Press," which is illegal in Washington, D.C. The hosts suggest the incident was a staged "show-and-tell" scam designed to demonstrate the seriousness of gun laws and generate a controlled legal controversy.

Keywords: [david gregory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-gregory.md), [meet the press](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meet-the-press.md), high-capacity magazine, dc gun laws, [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Gun Culture, European Perspectives and the Age of Aquarius (1:22:06–1:26:07)

The hosts discuss the cultural divide between Americans and Europeans regarding firearms, dismissing suggestions that Americans should adopt European attitudes. They pivot to a discussion on the "Age of Aquarius" and the potential for a global awakening as people become more skeptical of mainstream media narratives.

Keywords: [gun culture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-culture.md), [nra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nra.md), [europe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/europe.md), [age of aquarius](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/age-of-aquarius.md), social evolution

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Piers Morgan, Deportation Petition and White House Access (1:26:08–1:31:44)

A petition to deport CNN host Piers Morgan has gained over 90,000 signatures following his aggressive stance on gun control. The hosts discuss Morgan's recent attendance at a White House Christmas party, suggesting he is a mouthpiece for the administration whose unpopularity is causing him genuine personal distress.

Keywords: [piers morgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/piers-morgan.md), [deportation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deportation.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [jeremy clarkson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeremy-clarkson.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Lisa Jackson, EPA Resignation Breaking News (1:31:45–1:32:26)

The hosts report breaking news that EPA Chief Lisa Jackson is resigning from her position. The announcement comes as the administration prepares for its second term, marking a significant departure from the President's environmental cabinet.

Keywords: [lisa jackson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisa-jackson.md), [epa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epa.md), [resignation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/resignation.md), environmental protection agency, [breaking news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/breaking-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Webster Firefighter Shooting, Media Narrative and Bushmaster Rifles (1:32:26–1:38:06)

A shooting in Webster, New York, involving an arsonist who targeted firefighters, is analyzed for its similarities to the Sandy Hook narrative. The hosts question the authenticity of the reported "suicide note" and the specific mention of a Bushmaster .223 rifle, suggesting the event is being used to further the campaign against specific firearm models.

Keywords: webster ny, william spangler, bushmaster rifle, [arson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arson.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/28.md)

### 29. AR-15 Mil-Spec Changes, Firearm Industry Inventory Liquidation (1:38:08–1:41:30)

The hosts discuss a theory that gun manufacturers are using high-profile shootings to liquidate old inventory of AR-15 style rifles. They suggest that upcoming changes to military specifications for these firearms will make current models obsolete, incentivizing companies to drive sales through fear-based marketing.

Keywords: [ar-15](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ar-15.md), [mil-spec](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mil-spec.md), [bushmaster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bushmaster.md), [gun sales](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-sales.md), [inventory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inventory.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Value-for-Value Donations, Knighting Ceremony and 30 Rock (1:41:34–1:53:27)

The hosts conduct a lengthy donation segment, knighting several new supporters and discussing the "Value-for-Value" model. They also reference a "30 Rock" episode about pre-taping celebrity disaster benefits, confirming that news networks maintain similar pre-produced packages for major events and obituaries.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [30 rock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/30-rock.md), celebrity obituaries, [value-for-value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/30.md)

### 31. No Agenda Business Model, Public Service and Magic (1:53:28–1:57:40)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak reflect on the unique nature of the No Agenda business model, which relies entirely on listener support rather than traditional advertising or bank financing. They describe the show as a "worldwide public service" that defies conventional economic logic.

Keywords: [business model](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/business-model.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [public service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-service.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), [banking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/banking.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Global Oil Logistics, China Slowdown and Indonesia Production (1:57:41–2:02:57)

Through a contact at the Dutch oil storage company Vopak, Adam Curry reports a significant slowdown in oil shipments to China. The industry is reportedly shifting production focus to Indonesia, while the price of natural gas is expected to remain suppressed for two more years until Japan fully transitions its energy infrastructure.

Keywords: vopak, [singapore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/singapore.md), oil storage, [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [indonesia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indonesia.md), [natural gas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/natural-gas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Iranian Naphtha Exports, Sanction Loopholes and Petroleum Feedstock (2:02:58–2:08:22)

Despite US sanctions on Iranian petroleum, a major loophole exists for "Naphtha," a liquid feedstock essential for producing plastics and high-octane gasoline. Industry insiders claim that Naphtha exports continue unrestricted because a total ban would collapse global production of everyday items like trash bags, revealing the sanctions as partially symbolic.

Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), naphtha, [sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctions.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), petroleum products

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Benghazi Connection, De Havilland Comet Flight Anecdote (2:08:23–2:12:04)

Adam Curry shares a story from his infancy involving a flight from London to Uganda that stopped in Benghazi, Libya. During refueling, his parents briefly believed he had been kidnapped, only to find he had crawled to the back of the De Havilland Comet jet, establishing a personal, historical connection to the city.

Keywords: [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [uganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uganda.md), de havilland comet, childhood story, [aviation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aviation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/34.md)

### 35. State Department Reassignments, Hillary Clinton Plastic Surgery Theory (2:12:06–2:14:38)

The hosts report that State Department officials allegedly "fired" over the Benghazi report were actually just reassigned to different desks. They also speculate that Hillary Clinton's recent absence from the public eye is a cover for extensive plastic surgery in preparation for a future presidential run.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), eric boswell, [plastic surgery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plastic-surgery.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Syrian Conflict, Nerve Gas Claims and YouTube Defections (2:14:38–2:17:13)

Mainstream media reports claim the Assad regime has used nerve gas against rebels, supported by "shaky cam" YouTube videos. The hosts express skepticism regarding the authenticity of these videos and the high-profile defection of the Syrian military police chief, which was also announced via social media.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), nerve gas, [al jazeera](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-jazeera.md), [military police](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-police.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Demand a Plan Parody, Voiceover Production Advice (2:17:15–2:20:25)

The hosts review a parody of the "Demand a Plan" gun control celebrity PSA. While they agree with the message of disarming the government, they criticize the poor production quality and amateur voiceover work, offering professional advice on how to use high-quality vocal talent for political messaging.

Keywords: [demand a plan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/demand-a-plan.md), [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [parody](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parody.md), [voiceover](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voiceover.md), [production quality](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/production-quality.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/37.md)

### 38. SpaceX Grasshopper Test, Elon Musk and Private Rocketry (2:20:25–2:23:44)

SpaceX released video of its "Grasshopper" rocket successfully hovering and landing vertically. The hosts express skepticism toward Elon Musk's ventures, characterizing the private space industry as a playground for wealthy "douchebags" rather than a revolutionary leap for humanity.

Keywords: [spacex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spacex.md), [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), grasshopper rocket, reusable rockets, [technology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Space Expedition Corporation, Commercial Space Flight Scams (2:23:44–2:29:57)

The hosts deconstruct the business model of the Space Expedition Corporation (SXC) and Virgin Galactic, calling them "fantasy rides" for the ultra-rich. They argue that paying $95,000 for a suborbital flight that barely reaches 100 kilometers is a marketing scam designed to sell "astronaut wings" and expensive training courses rather than actual space exploration.

Keywords: sxc, michiel mol, [richard branson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-branson.md), [space tourism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/space-tourism.md), astronaut wings

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Visioneers Movie, Spontaneous Human Combustion and Cloud Failures (2:29:57–2:31:28)

John C. Dvorak recommends the 2008 film "Visioneers," which features themes of spontaneous human combustion. The hosts also discuss the Christmas Day failure of Amazon's cloud services, which caused widespread outages for Netflix and other streaming platforms.

Keywords: visioneers, zach galifianakis, [spontaneous human combustion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spontaneous-human-combustion.md), [netflix](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netflix.md), [amazon web services](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon-web-services.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/40.md)

### 41. APRS Technology, Ham Radio Licensing and Geek Culture (2:31:29–2:36:41)

Adam Curry promotes the Automatic Packet Reporting System (APRS) as "Twitter for ham radio." He encourages listeners to obtain their FCC licenses, dispelling the myth that the tests are difficult and challenging "geek girls" in the media to prove their credentials by becoming licensed amateur radio operators.

Keywords: [aprs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aprs.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [fcc license](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fcc-license.md), geek girls, [communication](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/communication.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Dan Burton, Congressional Oversight and Executive Power (2:36:41–2:43:08)

The show concludes with a clip of former Congressman Dan Burton discussing the power of congressional investigations. Burton recounts his aggressive use of subpoenas during the Clinton administration and reflects on how an Attorney General can protect a President from legal accountability, while the hosts sign off for the year.

Keywords: dan burton, [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [subpoenas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subpoenas.md), [congressional oversight](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congressional-oversight.md), [janet reno](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-reno.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/473-mac-and-cheese/chapter/42.md)

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