# Civil Society

> A deep dive into the militarization of the American state, the pharmaceutical industry's role in school shootings, and the tactical obfuscation of the Benghazi investigation.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 470
- **Published:** 2012-12-16
- **Length:** 2h 38m
- **Topics:** [Sandy Hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [Benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [Pre-crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-crime.md), Spectrum auctions, [Civil Society](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-society.md), O-1 Visa, SSRI drugs
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society

## About this episode

The Sandy Hook Elementary shooting has triggered a wave of media assassination and political theater, with CNN host Piers Morgan leading an aggressive push for gun control while President Barack Obama faces scrutiny for his public display of emotion. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze the discrepancies in early ballistics reports and the convenient timing of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s concussion, which has delayed her testimony regarding the Benghazi attack.

Beyond the domestic tragedy, the United States continues to expand its militaristic footprint as the White House renews its authority under the War Powers Resolution for operations in Africa and Kosovo. In the media, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Lisa Van Susteren promote a shift toward mental health surveillance and pre-crime legislation, suggesting that biological predispositions or chemical imbalances should justify forced medication. Meanwhile, the FCC moves to seize broadcast television spectrum for mobile carriers, and the NSA continues its warrantless surveillance of internet traffic through AT&T infrastructure in San Francisco.

Adam Curry reports from his tenth day of exile in Amsterdam, navigating the bureaucratic hurdles of the O-1 visa process for his wife, Micky Curry. The duo explores the rise of the civil society meme as a tool for globalism and mocks actor Matt Damon for his comments on social justice and taxation. The episode concludes with a knighting ceremony for major donors and a look at the Dutch Christmas tradition of chocolate wreaths.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Episode 470, Gitmo Nation Media Assassination (0:00–2:06)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 470 of the No Agenda show on December 16, 2012. Curry reports from his tenth day of exile in Amsterdam, while Dvorak remains in Northern Silicon Valley. They briefly discuss a Dutch Christmas tree decorated with chocolate wreaths and the lack of bugs in the cold climate.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Amsterdam Exile, Celebrity Privacy, and Social Media Surveillance (2:08–4:24)

Adam Curry describes the experience of living in a small Amsterdam neighborhood where he and his wife, Micky, were photographed by a stranger in a cafe. The photo was posted to gossip websites with claims that they were not getting along because they were both on their phones. This leads to a discussion about the lack of privacy faced by A-list celebrities in the United States.

Keywords: [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [paparazzi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paparazzi.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), celebrity privacy, [exile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/exile.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Federal Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1990 (4:24–5:49)

The discussion shifts to gun control following a recent shooting, noting that European locals often criticize American gun culture. A claim is made that the Federal Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1990, pushed by Bill Clinton, created "sitting ducks" by disarming school staff. The Libertarian Party's stance is cited, suggesting that armed principals or janitors previously deterred such attacks.

Keywords: [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [nra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nra.md), [libertarian party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libertarian-party.md), [school safety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/school-safety.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Piers Morgan, CNN International, and NRA Debate (5:49–7:54)

Adam Curry critiques CNN International's coverage of the gun debate, specifically focusing on host Piers Morgan. A clip is played featuring Morgan arguing with an NRA representative and Congressman Gary Ackerman. Morgan is criticized for his aggressive stance on gun control and his past involvement in the British phone-hacking scandal.

Keywords: [piers morgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/piers-morgan.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [nra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nra.md), [gun lobby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-lobby.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Militarization of the American State and Media Violence (7:55–9:43)

The hosts argue that the United States has become a militaristic state, citing President Obama's "kill list" and frequent drone strikes. They suggest that the prevalence of violent entertainment, including movies and video games, contributes to a culture of violence. They contrast the government's push for gun control with the heavy presence of armed soldiers seen in media coverage of domestic tragedies.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [video games](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/video-games.md), [militarism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/militarism.md), [gun lobby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-lobby.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/5.md)

### 6. War Powers Resolution, Military Operations in Africa and Kosovo (9:44–11:12)

President Obama reportedly sent a letter to Congress to re-up his authority under the War Powers Resolution of 2001. The document outlines ongoing military operations in Afghanistan, Africa, Kosovo, and Egypt, as well as maritime interception operations. The hosts note the lack of mainstream media reporting on the continued military presence in these regions.

Keywords: [war powers resolution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-powers-resolution.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [kosovo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kosovo.md), [egypt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/egypt.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Adam Lanza, Psychotropic Drugs, and Prepper Culture (11:13–12:53)

The discussion focuses on the Sandy Hook shooter, Adam Lanza, and reports that he may have been on psychotropic medication. His mother is described as a "prepper" or survivalist who was stockpiling food and guns in anticipation of an economic collapse. The hosts highlight the contradictory nature of early police and media reports regarding the shooter's identity and motives.

Keywords: [adam lanza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-lanza.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [psychotropic drugs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychotropic-drugs.md), [survivalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/survivalism.md), [preppers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/preppers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Clint Van Zandt, FBI Profiling, and Media Dramatization (12:54–18:13)

NBC News featured ex-FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt to explain the psychology behind mass shootings. The hosts criticize the media for creating a "script" that links different shootings, such as those involving Gabby Giffords and the Aurora theater. They accuse Brian Williams and Van Zandt of dramatizing the events and potentially laying the groundwork for a government conspiracy narrative.

Keywords: clint van zandt, [brian williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brian-williams.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), [mind control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mind-control.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/8.md)

### 9. China School Attacks, Sanjay Gupta, and Lisa Van Susteren (18:14–20:39)

A comparison is made between American shootings and a recent incident in China where 22 children were slashed at an elementary school. The segment introduces Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Lisa Van Susteren, whom the hosts identify as a CIA consultant. They argue that the media focus is shifting from gun control to the pharmaceutical industry and mental health surveillance.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [sanjay gupta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanjay-gupta.md), lisa van susteren, [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), knife attacks

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Mental Health Legislation, Pre-Crime, and Forced Treatment (20:45–23:54)

Lisa Van Susteren advocates for new legislation that would allow authorities to intervene before a crime is committed if an individual shows "warning signs" of mental instability. These signs include anger, isolation, and a fascination with guns. The hosts compare this to "pre-crime" and express concern that such laws would allow the state to forcibly medicate or institutionalize citizens based on perceived threats.

Keywords: [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md), [legislation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/legislation.md), [pre-crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-crime.md), [psychiatry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychiatry.md), [civil liberties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-liberties.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Sanjay Gupta on Brain Predisposition and Mental Illness (23:53–29:26)

Dr. Sanjay Gupta discusses the idea that people may be biologically predisposed to violence due to chemical imbalances or DNA. He compares mental illness to physical diseases like diabetes or cancer to justify medical treatment. The hosts criticize this perspective, suggesting it leads to a society where professionals, rather than judges, decide who should be medicated or detained.

Keywords: [sanjay gupta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanjay-gupta.md), [dna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna.md), [mental illness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-illness.md), [neurology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/neurology.md), [pharmaceutical industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-industry.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Neighbor Testimony on Adam Lanza's Character (29:26–30:46)

A news clip features a neighbor of Adam Lanza who describes him as a normal, quiet kid who did not exhibit antisocial behavior or a noticeable obsession with guns. The hosts highlight this as conflicting information that contradicts the dominant media narrative of Lanza as a deeply troubled individual.

Keywords: [adam lanza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-lanza.md), [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [witness testimony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/witness-testimony.md), [news reporting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/news-reporting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/12.md)

### 13. SSRI Drugs and School Shooting Statistics (30:46–33:28)

The hosts discuss the correlation between school shootings and the use of SSRI antidepressants, citing a list from SSRIstories.com. They mention specific cases from 2001 to 2008 where shooters were reportedly using or withdrawing from drugs like Prozac and Paxil. They argue that the focus should be on the effects of these drugs rather than bullying or gun laws.

Keywords: [ssri](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ssri.md), [prozac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prozac.md), paxil, [school shootings](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/school-shootings.md), [bullying](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bullying.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Armed Citizens as Deterrents to Mass Shootings (33:29–35:47)

The discussion highlights several instances where armed citizens or staff members stopped school shootings, including events in Pearl, Mississippi, and Grundy, Virginia. They argue that "gun-free zones" criminalize self-defense and that the presence of armed individuals acts as a deterrent. A 2002 terrorist attack in an Israeli school is also cited as an example of an armed teacher stopping a massacre.

Keywords: [self-defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/self-defense.md), pearl mississippi, grundy virginia, [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [gun laws](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-laws.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Barack Obama's Public Crying and Drone Policy (35:49–38:01)

The hosts question the sincerity of President Obama's public display of emotion following the Sandy Hook shooting. They contrast his tears for American children with his lack of public mourning for children killed by U.S. drone strikes in the Middle East. They characterize his behavior as "acting" and "political theater."

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [political theater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-theater.md), [compassion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/compassion.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Sandy Hook Security Measures and Target Obfuscation Theory (38:02–40:23)

The security plan at Sandy Hook Elementary, which included a video monitor and doorbell system, is described as "security theater" similar to the TSA. Adam Curry posits a theory that mass shootings might sometimes be used to obfuscate a specific target by killing many people simultaneously. He notes that the school principal, who implemented the security measures, was one of the first victims.

Keywords: [sandy hook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sandy-hook.md), [security theater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-theater.md), [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [conspiracy theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/conspiracy-theory.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Ballistics Discrepancies and Hillary Clinton's Concussion (40:24–42:54)

The hosts discuss conflicting reports regarding the weapons used in the Sandy Hook shooting, specifically the use of a Bushmaster rifle versus handguns. The topic then shifts to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who reportedly sustained a concussion after fainting due to a stomach virus. This injury resulted in her being unable to testify before Congress regarding the Benghazi attack.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [concussion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/concussion.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [ballistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ballistics.md), [bushmaster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bushmaster.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Hillary Clinton's Health and Benghazi Testimony Delay (42:54–46:49)

Official statements from the State Department explain that Hillary Clinton is recovering at home and has been advised by doctors to avoid strenuous activity, including reading or using a computer. Dr. Sanjay Gupta provides medical commentary on the necessity of "brain rest" after a concussion. The hosts suggest the timing of the injury is convenient for avoiding the Benghazi investigation.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [concussion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/concussion.md), [department of state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-state.md), [sanjay gupta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanjay-gupta.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Jason Chaffetz and Missing Benghazi Witnesses (46:50–50:51)

Congressman Jason Chaffetz accuses the State Department of hiding survivors and witnesses of the Benghazi attack. He claims that 20 Americans were evacuated to Germany but have not been made available for interviews. Chaffetz expresses frustration over the lack of subpoenas and suggests that Susan Rice's withdrawal from the Secretary of State nomination is linked to the upcoming Blue Ribbon Commission report.

Keywords: [jason chaffetz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jason-chaffetz.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [subpoenas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subpoenas.md), [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Watergate Parallels and the Book Family of Secrets (50:52–53:11)

The hosts compare the current Benghazi "cover-up" to the Watergate scandal. They reference the book *Family of Secrets* by Russ Baker, which suggests that Bob Woodward had intelligence ties and that the downfall of Richard Nixon may have been a coordinated setup. They argue that the media eventually turns on officials once a competitive storyline develops.

Keywords: [watergate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/watergate.md), [richard nixon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-nixon.md), [bob woodward](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bob-woodward.md), [family of secrets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/family-of-secrets.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Susan Rice's Withdrawal and Immigration Reform (53:12–55:25)

Susan Rice explains her decision to withdraw from consideration for Secretary of State, citing a desire to avoid a politicized confirmation process that would distract from President Obama's agenda. She mentions priorities such as immigration reform and deficit reduction. The hosts question if she was "set up" by the administration to act as a buffer for the Benghazi fallout.

Keywords: [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [secretary of state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secretary-of-state.md), [immigration reform](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration-reform.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/21.md)

### 22. No Agenda Art, Buzzkill Jr., and Missing Posters (55:25–58:15)

The hosts thank their production team and discuss the need for new artwork for the show, noting a decline in submissions. They mention a story about missing posters in New York City and criticize Mayor Bloomberg's administration for a lack of humor regarding public art and activism.

Keywords: [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [podcast art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-art.md), [buzzkill jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzkill-jr.md), [bloomberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bloomberg.md), [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Executive Producer Donations and Calgary Stampede (58:17–1:00:39)

Sir Richard Bagwell and DJ Anonymous are thanked for their donations. The conversation briefly turns to the Calgary Stampede in Canada, with Adam Curry reminiscing about "barrel racing" and the atmosphere of the event. They discuss "job karma" and "home safety karma" for the donors.

Keywords: [calgary stampede](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/calgary-stampede.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), barrel racing

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Micky Curry's Immigration Issues and O-1 Visa Process (1:00:39–1:04:45)

Adam Curry details the bureaucratic hurdles involved in getting his wife, Micky, back into the United States. Despite being eligible for a green card, she must apply for an O-1 visa due to travel restrictions. Curry lists the various fees paid to lawyers, the Department of Homeland Security, and labor unions like SAG and the AMPTP to expedite the process.

Keywords: [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), o-1 visa, [department of homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-homeland-security.md), [sag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sag.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Knighting Ceremony and Listener Feedback (1:04:46–1:07:27)

The hosts acknowledge Anthony Leone for achieving knighthood through his donations. They discuss the upcoming "apocalypse" on December 21, 2012, based on the Mayan calendar. They also address a listener who found the podcast depressing, with the hosts arguing that the listener is "missing the joke" of their media analysis.

Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [apocalypse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apocalypse.md), [mayan calendar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mayan-calendar.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/25.md)

### 26. No Agenda Formula and Media Assassination (1:07:27–1:09:03)

The hosts wrap up the first half of the show by reminding listeners how to donate and support the program. They emphasize that their "Executive Producer" credits are real and can be used as legitimate credentials. They reiterate their mission of "media assassination" and analyzing the news through their unique lens.

Keywords: [media assassination](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-assassination.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [formula](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/formula.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Andrea Mitchell on Susan Rice and Racial Politics (1:09:05–1:13:17)

NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell appears on *The Rachel Maddow Show* to discuss Susan Rice's withdrawal. Mitchell frames the situation as a loss for "women of color" and suggests that Republicans forced her out. The hosts criticize Mitchell for using "racial cards" and argue that Rice was actually left to "twist in the wind" by the Obama administration.

Keywords: [andrea mitchell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrea-mitchell.md), [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [rachel maddow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rachel-maddow.md), [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md), [sexism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/27.md)

### 28. John Kerry's Qualifications and the War on White Dudes (1:13:17–1:17:08)

The hosts discuss John Kerry as the likely successor for Secretary of State, with Dvorak mockingly calling him "superbly qualified." They argue that the media is using the Susan Rice situation to discredit Republicans as "old racist white dudes." They claim there is a broader "war on white dudes" occurring in modern political discourse.

Keywords: [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md), [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [andrea mitchell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrea-mitchell.md), [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Chris Christie's Health and 2016 Presidential Run (1:17:08–1:19:39)

The media has begun focusing on New Jersey Governor Chris Christie's weight as a potential issue for a 2016 presidential campaign. Reporters suggest that his medical records will become as scrutinized as tax returns. The hosts discuss how "health-focused" the current era has become and how obesity is being used as a political weapon.

Keywords: [chris christie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-christie.md), [obesity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obesity.md), [2016 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2016-election.md), [medical records](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-records.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/29.md)

### 30. NATO Patriot Missiles in Turkey and Dutch Smart Defense (1:19:41–1:22:53)

NATO has decided to deploy two Patriot missile batteries to the Turkish-Syrian border, with the Netherlands providing the equipment and 400 troops. NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen praised the Dutch for their "smart defense" contributions despite economic austerity. The hosts suggest the missiles are ineffective and part of a larger military scam.

Keywords: [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [patriot missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-missiles.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Syrian Scud Missiles and Russian Response (1:22:54–1:25:35)

NATO officials express concern over Syria's use of unguided Scud missiles, calling them "indiscriminate weapons." Meanwhile, Iran and Russia warn that deploying Patriot missiles in Turkey could trigger a larger conflict. A report from Russia Today highlights Tehran's warning that this move could lead to a "world war."

Keywords: [scud missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scud-missiles.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md), [russia today](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia-today.md), [world war iii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-iii.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/31.md)

### 32. FCC Incentive Auctions and Broadcast TV Spectrum (1:25:36–1:28:25)

Gordon Smith, head of the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB), expresses concern over FCC plans to hold "incentive auctions" in 2014. The government aims to buy back spectrum from television broadcasters to sell to mobile carriers for 4G services. The hosts argue this will disenfranchise millions of Americans who rely on terrestrial broadcasting and increase government control over communications.

Keywords: [fcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fcc.md), [nab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nab.md), [broadcast television](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadcast-television.md), [spectrum auction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spectrum-auction.md), [digital transition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/digital-transition.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/32.md)

### 33. NSA Surveillance at AT&T Second Street Building (1:28:26–1:30:38)

A long-running lawsuit in San Francisco concerns an AT&T building on Second Street where the NSA reportedly caches internet traffic. The hosts suggest the government wants to move all communication to IP-based systems to ensure total control. Adam Curry discusses his interest in ham radio as a decentralized alternative to state-controlled networks.

Keywords: [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Ham Radio, BBS History, and Spectrum Reallocation (1:30:39–1:34:29)

The hosts reminisce about the era of Bulletin Board Systems (BBS) and the technical challenges of running them on single phone lines. They return to the FCC's plan to reallocate "prime spectrum" from TV to mobile data, noting that the Netherlands already has a highly centralized cable-based television infrastructure.

Keywords: [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [bbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbs.md), [fcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fcc.md), [spectrum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spectrum.md), [telecommunications](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telecommunications.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Terrorist Use of Facebook and Google (1:34:30–1:37:46)

A State Department briefing addresses whether designated terrorist organizations are allowed to hold accounts on U.S. platforms like Facebook and Google. The official response suggests that it is sometimes "advantageous" to keep these accounts open for surveillance purposes. The hosts conclude that the government encourages terrorists to stay on mainstream platforms to make spying easier.

Keywords: [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Google Plus, Mike Elgan, and Social Media Hangouts (1:37:46–1:41:53)

Adam Curry expresses confusion over the value of Google Plus, despite being in thousands of "circles." He mentions that tech journalist Mike Elgan is a proponent of the platform. The hosts discuss the "Hangout" feature and the "No Agenda" community circle, though Curry finds the notification system overwhelming and a "time sink."

Keywords: [google plus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-plus.md), [mike elgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-elgan.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), hangouts, [networking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/networking.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Robin Hood Foundation and Hedge Fund Fees (1:41:54–1:43:25)

A 2007 Bloomberg report raised questions about the Robin Hood Foundation, a high-profile charity. The report alleged that half of the foundation's money was invested in hedge funds run by its own board members, who collected standard industry fees of 2% of assets and 20% of profits. The hosts characterize this as a "scam" benefiting wealthy donors.

Keywords: [robin hood foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robin-hood-foundation.md), [hedge funds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hedge-funds.md), [bloomberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bloomberg.md), [jamie dimon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jamie-dimon.md), [charity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charity.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Hurricane Sandy Relief Bill and Congressional Pork (1:43:26–1:47:44)

A $60 billion relief package for Hurricane Sandy is criticized for containing "pork" unrelated to the storm. Items include $23 million for tree plantings, $2 million for the Smithsonian roof, and $4 million for the FBI to replace vehicles. Most notably, the bill reportedly includes funding for military bases as far away as Guantanamo Bay.

Keywords: [hurricane sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [pork barrel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pork-barrel.md), [smithsonian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smithsonian.md), [guantanamo bay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guantanamo-bay.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Listener Donations, Brazilian Girlfriends, and Atlas Shrugged (1:47:47–1:52:15)

The hosts read a series of donations from listeners in Holland, Montreal, and Germany. One donor, Ian Prentice, wins an iPad using "No Agenda karma." The hosts joke about Dvorak's inability to correctly pronounce the name "Ian" and discuss a listener's suggestion for Dvorak to record an audiobook of *Atlas Shrugged*.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [atlas shrugged](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atlas-shrugged.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [montreal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/montreal.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Reverse Discrimination and Unemployment Karma (1:52:16–1:55:36)

A donor from Columbus, Ohio, discusses the meme of "reverse discrimination" resulting from modern legislation. Another donor from Orlando, Florida, requests "jobs karma" for a roommate struggling with unemployment. The hosts provide their customary "Shut Up Slave" and "Karma" soundbites in response.

Keywords: reverse discrimination, [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [orlando](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/orlando.md), [illinois](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illinois.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Immigration Struggles and Moving to the Mountains (1:55:37–1:58:42)

Listeners from Florida and North Carolina send donations to support the hosts' struggle with U.S. immigration. One donor describes moving from California to the mountains of North Carolina without police interference. Another message comes from an Argentinian living in Belgium who enjoys the show despite disagreeing with the hosts' beliefs.

Keywords: [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [north carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-carolina.md), [belgium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belgium.md), [argentina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/argentina.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Global Donations and Breast Cancer Support (1:58:43–2:03:54)

Donations arrive from Australia and Ireland, including one from a self-employed author who published an interactive book on iTunes. The final donor of the day, Billy from Kansas, shares that his mother is battling breast cancer. The hosts offer "f-cancer" karma and a "fiscal cliff" jingle for the listeners.

Keywords: [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), [ireland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ireland.md), [breast cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/breast-cancer.md), [chemo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemo.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Show 500 Planning and Amsterdam Studio (2:03:55–2:06:15)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discuss the future of the show, noting that episode 500 will likely occur in Spring 2013. Curry explains that he has set up a full studio in Amsterdam and cannot easily move to other cities like Vienna or Paris due to the equipment and cost. They thank the listeners for their continued financial support.

Keywords: [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [vienna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vienna.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [studio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/studio.md), [2013](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2013.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Knighting Ceremony for Major Donors (2:06:16–2:07:58)

The hosts conduct a formal knighting ceremony for Ralph Nielsen, Mike Keeler, Anthony Leon, Gerald Gionnet, and Felix Schuettel. These individuals are recognized for contributing $1,000 or more to the show. They are welcomed to the "No Agenda Roundtable" with a humorous list of traditional knightly rewards.

Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [roundtable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roundtable.md), [honor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/honor.md), [ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceremony.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Amy Goodman and the Civil Society Meme (2:07:59–2:11:42)

Adam Curry introduces a new "meme" regarding the term "civil society," which he heard Amy Goodman use repeatedly during a climate conference in Doha. Goodman interviewed Todd Stern and Jonathan Pershing, questioning the U.S. role in obstructing UN climate deals. Curry argues that "civil society" is a loaded political term used by the left.

Keywords: [amy goodness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amy-goodness.md), [doha](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doha.md), [greenpeace](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greenpeace.md), [civil society](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-society.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Defining Civil Society and Its Five Enemies (2:11:42–2:15:36)

The hosts analyze the definition of "civil society" as the sector outside of family, state, and market. They discuss five "enemies" of civil society, including despotism, the revival of Republican civic virtues, and specific forms of nationalism. They argue that the concept is designed to undermine traditional institutions like the church and the nation-state.

Keywords: [civil society](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-society.md), [ngos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ngos.md), [nationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nationalism.md), despotism, republican virtues

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Globalism, Multiculturalism, and the Wi-Fi Milieu (2:15:37–2:20:04)

The discussion on civil society concludes with the claim that it promotes globalism and extreme political correctness. Adam Curry shares a tangent about how the Dutch pronounce "Wi-Fi" as "wee-fee," illustrating how language and terms propagate within a specific cultural milieu or "totalizing ideology."

Keywords: [globalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/globalism.md), [multiculturalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/multiculturalism.md), [political correctness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-correctness.md), [wifi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wifi.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Oreo's 100th Birthday and Antarctica Delivery (2:20:04–2:21:49)

A marketing stunt for Oreo's 100th birthday involved delivering 5,000 cookies to scientists in Antarctica. The promotion also included a donation to a "solar-powered penguin cam." The hosts criticize the news media for covering what they describe as a blatant corporate advertisement as if it were a legitimate news story.

Keywords: oreo, [antarctica](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antarctica.md), [south pole](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-pole.md), [penguins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/penguins.md), [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/48.md)

### 49. David Petraeus and Afghanistan War Crimes (2:21:49–2:23:35)

Reports suggest that David Petraeus may have authorized "double tap" drone strikes in Afghanistan, which target rescuers who arrive at the scene of an initial explosion. The hosts argue that this practice is a violation of the Geneva Convention. They express frustration that the American public is not more vocal in protesting these military tactics.

Keywords: [david petraeus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-petraeus.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [war crimes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-crimes.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [geneva convention](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geneva-convention.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Matt Damon on Taxes and Firefighters (2:23:35–2:26:34)

Actor Matt Damon appeared on the *Tavis Smiley Show* and stated that he wants to pay more taxes to support services like firefighters and police. The hosts mock Damon, pointing out that most firefighters are volunteers and that federal taxes primarily fund military operations and drone strikes rather than local infrastructure.

Keywords: [matt damon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-damon.md), [tavis smiley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tavis-smiley.md), [taxes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxes.md), [firefighters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/firefighters.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Social Justice and the Congo Comparison (2:26:35–2:29:18)

Matt Damon argues that paying higher taxes is a matter of "social justice" and suggests that those who complain should look at life in the Congo. The hosts counter that billions in aid to places like Haiti have been stolen by elites. They encourage listeners to "bit torrent" Damon's movies rather than paying for them.

Keywords: [matt damon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-damon.md), [social justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-justice.md), [congo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congo.md), [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [taxes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/51.md)

### 52. Gérard Depardieu's Tax Exile in Belgium (2:29:19–2:31:19)

French actor Gérard Depardieu has moved to the Belgian village of Neuchâtel to avoid high taxes introduced by President François Hollande. Belgium does not have a wealth tax, making it a popular destination for wealthy French citizens. The hosts discuss the "wimpy" sound of European sirens compared to American ones during the segment.

Keywords: [gerard depardieu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gerard-depardieu.md), [belgium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belgium.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [taxes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxes.md), [wealth tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wealth-tax.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/52.md)

### 53. FDA RFID Tracking in Pharmaceutical Drugs (2:31:20–2:32:55)

The FDA has extended a policy regarding the use of RFID chips in pharmaceutical drugs to track counterfeits. The hosts point out that this technology could be used to track individuals who ingest the chips. They reference the Federal Register, which describes RFID as a "promising technology" for the agency's enforcement efforts.

Keywords: [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [rfid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rfid.md), [counterfeit drugs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/counterfeit-drugs.md), [federal register](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-register.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/53.md)

### 54. Protests in Bahrain and Portugal (2:32:57–2:35:59)

Anti-government protests continue in Bahrain, with activists claiming the West supports the monarchy despite human rights violations. In Portugal, thousands have taken to the streets of Lisbon to protest harsh austerity measures in the new national budget. The hosts note that these significant international events receive very little coverage in the U.S. media.

Keywords: [bahrain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bahrain.md), [portugal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portugal.md), [lisbon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisbon.md), [austerity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austerity.md), [human rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/54.md)

### 55. Amsterdam Canal Parade and Final Sign-off (2:36:00–2:38:30)

Adam Curry describes the "Christmas Canal Parade of Lights" in Amsterdam, where participants wear LED-lit Mickey Mouse ears. The hosts conclude the episode, promising an update on Thursday regarding Curry's "exile" status. They sign off with their traditional catchphrases and a final call for donations to support their "media assassination" efforts.

Keywords: [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), canal parade, [sign-off](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sign-off.md), [media assassination](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-assassination.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/470-civil-society/chapter/55.md)

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