# This That and the Other > Corporate giants embrace state-run communism and the Senate bypasses public debate on defense spending while global banks settle massive drug money laundering cases for a fraction of their profits. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 469 - **Published:** 2012-12-13 - **Length:** 3h 10m - **Topics:** GE China, HSBC Scandal, [NDAA 2013](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ndaa-2013.md), Halal Housing, [Fiscal Cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), Sandy Relief, [Pre-crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-crime.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other ## About this episode GE Chairman Jeffrey Immelt is under fire for praising Chinese state-run communism as an efficient economic model while advising President Barack Obama on domestic job creation. Immelt’s comments to Charlie Rose suggest a corporate pivot toward the 12th five-year plan to secure jet engine contracts, even as the White House touts a $120 million Daimler investment that yielded only 115 union positions. This alignment between multinational corporations and state-controlled markets signals a shift in global trade priorities that bypasses traditional American labor interests. In Washington, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid utilized late-night unanimous consent to advance HR 4310, the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, without public debate or a formal roll-call vote. Simultaneously, the U.S. Justice Department, led by Lanny Breuer, finalized a $1.9 billion settlement with HSBC for laundering $700 billion in Mexican drug cartel funds, notably avoiding criminal prosecution for bank executives. On the domestic front, the NTSB and MADD are pushing for universal ignition interlock devices, a move critics label as pre-crime surveillance, while the Wall Street Journal reports on new Army manuals that prohibit soldiers in Afghanistan from criticizing the Taliban or pedophilia to maintain cultural sensitivity. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the technical hurdles of building a proprietary podcasting rig via Foxconn while navigating the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam. The 12-12-12 Concert for Sandy Relief is exposed as a high-priced branding exercise for JPMorgan Chase, featuring a bizarre rhetorical appearance by the ghost of Keith Moon via Brian Williams. Between discussions of Syrian rebels using PS3 controllers and the suspicious death of nurse Jacintha Saldana, the hosts grant the territory of France to Baron Stephen von Pelsmacher. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/transcript.md. ### 1. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, Custom Podcast Rig Development (0:00–6:08) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discuss the technical challenges of setting up a temporary podcast studio in Amsterdam. Curry describes his frustration with current hardware routing and proposes developing a proprietary, all-in-one "No Agenda" podcasting box. They explore the possibility of sourcing manufacturing through Chinese vendors like Foxconn to create a simplified rig with built-in compression and mix-minus capabilities. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [foxconn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/foxconn.md), yamaha, [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [studio equipment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/studio-equipment.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Netherlands Austerity, Halal Housing, Religious Row (6:09–10:26) Adam Curry reports on social changes in the Netherlands, including the government's use of commercial bill collectors to enforce austerity measures. A significant debate has emerged regarding "halal housing," which involves government-funded architecture designed to accommodate Islamic cultural practices such as gender segregation within the home. The BBC and other international outlets have labeled the controversy a "religious row" as the immigrant population grows in Western Europe. Keywords: [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), halal housing, [austerity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austerity.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [muslim community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/muslim-community.md), [tax collection](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-collection.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, Extreme Spokespeople (10:26–12:20) The discussion shifts briefly to Jared Taylor and his organization, American Renaissance. Taylor is identified as a prominent spokesperson for extreme viewpoints on race and immigration. The hosts compare the American approach to private housing with the Dutch government's involvement in social engineering through public works. Keywords: [jared taylor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jared-taylor.md), american renaissance, [white nationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-nationalism.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), spokespeople [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Right-to-Work Laws, Michael Moore, European Healthcare Myths (12:21–15:39) Adam Curry critiques a Michael Moore appearance on Current TV regarding Michigan's transition to a right-to-work state. Curry disputes Moore's claim that Europe enjoys "universal free healthcare," noting that residents in the Netherlands pay monthly premiums to private insurers. The conversation defines right-to-work legislation as a union-busting measure that removes the obligation for employees to pay union dues. Keywords: right-to-work, [michigan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michigan.md), [michael moore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-moore.md), [healthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare.md), [unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unions.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [cnn international](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn-international.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Union Labor History, Strike Felonies, Workplace Urination (15:40–22:48) The hosts examine the evolution of labor unions, citing personal experiences with the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) and AFTRA. They discuss the legislative history that made general strikes and "wildcat" strikes, such as those at Walmart, federal felonies. A tangent explores the difficulty of firing unproductive workers in non-right-to-work states, including a humorous hypothetical about employees urinating on products. Keywords: [sag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sag.md), [aftra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aftra.md), [wildcat strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wildcat-strike.md), [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), [assembly line](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assembly-line.md), [buzzkill jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzkill-jr.md), [labor laws](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/labor-laws.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Barack Obama, Daimler Investment, Union Job Costs (22:48–24:11) President Barack Obama's speech in Detroit regarding a $120 million investment by Daimler is analyzed. The hosts question the efficiency of the investment, noting that the large sum only resulted in the creation of 115 union jobs. They mock the high per-job cost and the focus on manufacturing turbochargers for internal combustion engines. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [daimler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daimler.md), [detroit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detroit.md), [mercedes-benz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mercedes-benz.md), turbochargers, [manufacturing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manufacturing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Jeffrey Immelt, General Electric, Chinese Communism Praise (24:13–26:55) GE Chairman Jeffrey Immelt's interview with Charlie Rose is scrutinized for his praise of the Chinese government's efficiency. Immelt, who advises the President on jobs, suggests that state-run communism "works" and encourages his team to study China's 12th five-year plan. The hosts characterize these statements as corporate pandering intended to facilitate GE's sales of jet engines to the Chinese market. Keywords: [jeffrey immelt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-immelt.md), [general electric](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/general-electric.md), [charlie rose](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charlie-rose.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [communism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/communism.md), five-year plans [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/7.md) ### 8. 12-12-12 Concert, Robin Hood Foundation, Executive Compensation (26:56–34:29) The 12-12-12 Concert for Sandy Relief is criticized as a "circle jerk" for wealthy elites rather than an effective charity event. Financial analysis of the Robin Hood Foundation's Form 990 reveals high executive salaries, including over $1.2 million for CEO David Saltzman, and millions spent on "entertainment" for the performers. The hosts argue that the $50 million raised is a rounding error for sponsor JPMorgan Chase and that the funds are often invested in limited partnerships rather than distributed directly to victims. Keywords: [robin hood foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robin-hood-foundation.md), [chase bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chase-bank.md), [paul mccartney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-mccartney.md), [bon jovi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bon-jovi.md), david saltzman, [hurricane sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Wyclef Jean, Artists United for Haiti, Hurricane Sandy Scams (34:29–37:00) An email solicitation from Avery Jean, related to Wyclef Jean, is exposed as a potential scam targeting graphic designers for Hurricane Sandy relief. Investigation reveals that "Artists United for Haiti" had its non-profit status revoked by the IRS for failing to file tax returns for three years. The organization's website is currently a parked domain that redirects mobile users to adult content apps. Keywords: [wyclef jean](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wyclef-jean.md), avery jean, [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [hurricane sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md), [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md), charity scams [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Brian Williams, Keith Moon Ghost, Corporate Sponsorship (37:00–44:43) NBC anchor Brian Williams is mocked for his commentary during the Sandy relief concert, specifically his rhetorical reference to the deceased Keith Moon as if he were on stage. The hosts criticize the heavy corporate branding of the event, noting the irony of Pink Floyd performing in front of giant JPMorgan Chase and State Farm logos. They suggest the event served primarily as a PR vehicle for banks and insurance companies. Keywords: [brian williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brian-williams.md), [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), keith moon, [the who](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-who.md), [pink floyd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pink-floyd.md), [jpmorgan chase](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jpmorgan-chase.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Mickey Curry Health, Stedelijk Museum, No Agenda Racing (44:43–48:42) Adam Curry provides an update on his wife Mickey's recovery from a back infection while in Amsterdam. He shares an anecdote about visiting the reopened Stedelijk Museum of Modern Art, criticizing exhibits that featured scotch-taped pictures and unconventional displays. The segment also announces the launch of the No Agenda Motorcycle Racing Team website. Keywords: [mickey curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mickey-curry.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), stedelijk museum, modern art, [no agenda racing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-racing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/11.md) ### 12. 12-12-12 Donations, Silent Knights, Baron von Pelsmacher (48:42–51:13) The hosts acknowledge a massive influx of donations totaling $1,212.12 to commemorate the date December 12, 2012. Several "Silent Knights" are recognized for their contributions, including Zachary Giesemann and Ian Field. Long-time supporter Baron Stephen von Pelsmacher is welcomed back for his continued high-level financial support of the program. Keywords: [12-12-12](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/12-12-12.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), zachary giesemann, stephen von pelsmacher [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Alternative Minimum Tax, Fiscal Cliff, Tax Planning (51:13–55:09) John C. Dvorak warns listeners about the impending impact of the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) as the U.S. approaches the "fiscal cliff." He explains that many middle-class taxpayers could face unexpected tax bills of $2,000 to $10,000 because the AMT eliminates standard deductions. The hosts criticize the mainstream media for failing to warn the public about this specific financial threat. Keywords: [amt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amt.md), [alternative minimum tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-minimum-tax.md), [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [tax deductions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-deductions.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Baron of France, Knighthood Bestowals, No Agenda Formula (55:11–59:24) In a humorous segment, the hosts "grant" the territory of France to Baron Stephen von Pelsmacher, expanding his fictional domain from Belgium. They also bestow a knighthood upon Jacob Scott Milligan at the request of his father-in-law, Paul Barnhart. The segment concludes with a reminder of the show's "Value for Value" funding model. Keywords: [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [belgium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belgium.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), paul barnhart, jacob scott milligan [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Harry Reid, HR 4310, NDAA Late Night Slippage (59:25–1:07:36) John C. Dvorak presents a C-SPAN clip of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid interrupting a floor speech to pass legislative amendments via unanimous consent. Analysis reveals that the bill in question, HR 4310, is the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for 2013. The hosts highlight how major defense legislation is "slipped" through the Senate late at night without debate or a formal roll-call vote. Keywords: [harry reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harry-reid.md), hr 4310, [ndaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ndaa.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [senate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate.md), [unanimous consent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unanimous-consent.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Nancy Pelosi, Kwanzaa Shopping, Ageism Debate (1:07:37–1:11:46) A clip of Nancy Pelosi discussing the importance of holiday rituals, including Kwanzaa and Jewish holidays, is played. The hosts mock her use of the word "subterfuge" and her focus on "shopping" for Kwanzaa. They debate whether her confusing rhetoric is a result of age or general incompetence, while Curry shares anecdotes about his Uncle Don. Keywords: [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [kwanzaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kwanzaa.md), [christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas.md), subterfuge, [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood, Pedophilia Undertones, PBS (1:11:47–1:14:36) John C. Dvorak shares a clip from the PBS children's show "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood," which follows the BBC news on his local station. He points out what he perceives as creepy or inappropriate dialogue regarding "three kisses" as a toll for a toy car. The hosts discuss the strange nature of modern children's programming produced by the Fred Rogers company. Keywords: daniel tiger, [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), fred rogers, [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [pedobear](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pedobear.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Army Manual Taboos, Cultural Marxism, Afghan Culture (1:14:39–1:17:55) The Wall Street Journal reports on a new 75-page U.S. Army manual that lists taboo topics for soldiers in Afghanistan. Soldiers are reportedly instructed to avoid criticizing the Taliban, pedophilia, or Islam, and to refrain from advocating for women's rights to avoid offending local cultural sensibilities. The hosts label this as "Cultural Marxism" and political correctness taken to a dangerous extreme. Keywords: [taliban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taliban.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [islam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/islam.md), [pedophilia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pedophilia.md), [wall street journal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street-journal.md), [cultural marxism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cultural-marxism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Troy Fisher, Child Pornography Charges, Portland Opera (1:17:55–1:20:06) A news report from Portland, Oregon, details the indictment of theater employee Troy Fisher on 14 counts of possessing child pornography. The segment features parents of child actors fiercely defending Fisher, calling him a "hero" who taught their children values. The hosts compare the situation to the Penn State scandal and discuss the legal definitions of child pornography. Keywords: troy fisher, [portland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portland.md), [child pornography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/child-pornography.md), [broadway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadway.md), [honey boo boo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/honey-boo-boo.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Executive Producer Credits, 469 Club, Knighthood Ceremonies (1:20:07–1:26:54) The hosts read letters and credits for high-tier donors, including Sir Thomas Poolyard in Bahrain and Sir Dwayne Melanson. They celebrate the formation of the "469 Club" for donors contributing amounts matching the episode number. Several listeners are knighted, and the hosts discuss the "Mexican liver shot" in boxing during a discussion about a donor's upcoming shoulder surgery. Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), 469 club, [dwayne melanson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dwayne-melanson.md), [janice kang](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janice-kang.md), thomas poolyard [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Associate Producer Credits, London Meetup, De-douching (1:26:55–1:32:08) Associate producers are recognized, including Dmitri Fedoseev, who suggests a No Agenda meetup in London. Adam Curry proposes an "end of the world" meetup in Amsterdam on December 21, 2012. The segment includes "de-douching" rituals for listeners who have transitioned from "freeloaders" to donors. Keywords: dmitri fedoseev, [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [meetup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetup.md), [de-douching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/de-douching.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Mike Elgan, Google Plus, Tech Fanboy Criticism (1:32:08–1:42:50) Tech journalist Mike Elgan is "de-douched" after making a $200 donation following a call-out on a previous show. Elgan's post on Google Plus about the show sparked a wave of negative comments from tech "fanboys" who criticized Adam Curry's hair and the show's "conspiracy theories." The hosts read the insults aloud, comparing the experience to Matt Damon's practice of reading mean tweets to stay humble. Keywords: [mike elgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-elgan.md), [google plus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-plus.md), [twit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twit.md), [pc world](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pc-world.md), [tech journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-journalism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Syrian Opposition Coalition, Moaz al-Khatib, Chicago Lawyer (1:42:51–1:50:01) The Obama administration and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton officially recognize the Syrian Opposition Coalition as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people. Adam Curry notes that the coalition's spokesman, Yasser Tabara, is a lawyer from Chicago, suggesting a familiar "Libya playbook" is being used. The hosts discuss the designation of the al-Nusra Front as a terrorist organization and the sudden appearance of Scud missiles in the conflict. Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), moaz al-khatib, yasser tabara, [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [al-nusra front](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-nusra-front.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Syrian Homemade Tank, PS3 Controller, Media Propaganda (1:50:01–1:54:19) A viral video of a "homemade tank" built by Syrian rebels and controlled by a PlayStation 3 controller is dismissed by the hosts as propaganda. They argue the video is intended to distract from the fact that the rebels are receiving sophisticated Western weaponry. The tank is shown struggling to roll over a small tree branch, which the hosts find comical given the high-stakes nature of the war. Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), homemade tank, playstation 3, [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/24.md) ### 25. Justin Bieber Murder Plot, Peter Mansbridge, CBC News (1:54:19–1:56:15) Canadian news anchor Peter Mansbridge reports on a foiled plot to kill and mutilate pop star Justin Bieber in New Mexico. A convicted killer in prison allegedly hired two men to carry out the attack. The hosts discuss the lack of coverage in the U.S. and joke about trading Bieber for other pop stars like Taylor Swift. Keywords: [justin bieber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/justin-bieber.md), [new mexico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-mexico.md), [peter mansbridge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-mansbridge.md), [cbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbc.md), murder plot [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Morrissey, Kate Middleton, Royal Family Criticism (1:56:16–1:58:33) Singer Morrissey criticizes the British Royal Family following the suicide of a nurse at King Edward VII Hospital. Morrissey claims the Royals feel "no shame" and suggests the palace put immense pressure on the staff after a radio prank. The hosts discuss the "arrogance" of the monarchy and the suspicious nature of the nurse's death. Keywords: morrissey, [kate middleton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kate-middleton.md), [royal family](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/royal-family.md), the smiths, clarence house [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Jacintha Saldana, King Edward VII Hospital, Nurse Suicide (1:58:33–2:02:31) The death of nurse Jacintha Saldana is analyzed following the Australian radio prank involving Kate Middleton's pregnancy. Adam Curry expresses skepticism regarding the official suicide report, noting that the hospital's chairman has deep ties to British intelligence and defense contracts. He suggests Saldana may have been a "scapegoat" or "whacked" to protect the reputation of the Royal Family. Keywords: jacintha saldana, [kate middleton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kate-middleton.md), [suicide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suicide.md), [royal family](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/royal-family.md), australian djs [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/27.md) ### 28. 12-12-12 Producer Credits, Hanukkah, No Agenda Anthem (2:02:31–2:07:35) Additional producers are thanked for their 12-12-12 donations. A message from Lori Swim discusses the history of Hanukkah as a revolution against the Greeks, drawing parallels to modern resistance. Stan Salisbury requests the playing of the No Agenda National Anthem and suggests the creation of an official No Agenda flag. Keywords: [hanukkah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hanukkah.md), maccabees, [stan salisbury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stan-salisbury.md), lori swim, [12-12-12](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/12-12-12.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/28.md) ### 29. 69ers Club, George Carlin, Schiphol Airport Wi-Fi (2:07:36–2:18:00) The hosts acknowledge a series of $69.69 and $71.71 donations, referencing George Carlin's joke about the number 71. Adam Curry mentions the "No Agenda" private Wi-Fi network at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. Baron von Pelsmacher makes a third appearance in the episode to support the "69ers" theme of episode 469. 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Keywords: [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [geek squad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geek-squad.md), [target](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/target.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/30.md) ### 31. Nelson Mandela, Death Prediction, Media Distraction (2:30:45–2:38:16) John C. Dvorak predicts that the impending death of 94-year-old Nelson Mandela will be used as a massive media distraction. He suggests that news organizations already have "packages" prepared and that the event will be timed to bury news about the U.S. fiscal cliff or the Alternative Minimum Tax. The hosts speculate he may pass away between Christmas and New Year's. 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Keywords: [dmitry medvedev](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dmitry-medvedev.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [aliens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aliens.md), men in black, [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/469-this-that-and-the-other/chapter/32.md) ### 33. HSBC Money Laundering, Mexican Drug Cartels, Lanny Breuer (2:42:08–2:47:24) The U.S. Justice Department reaches a $1.9 billion settlement with HSBC for laundering $700 billion in Mexican drug cartel money. Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer is criticized for failing to pursue criminal charges against bank officials. The hosts highlight the "special boxes" designed to fit through teller windows and argue that the global economy is dependent on the flow of illegal drug capital. 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