# Meat Hands

> Russia secures its energy future with the South Stream pipeline while the Dutch housing market faces a government-mandated freeze and the ITU targets internet sovereignty.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 468
- **Published:** 2012-12-09
- **Length:** 2h 26m
- **Topics:** [South Stream](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-stream.md), [Fiscal Cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), ITU Dubai, Dutch Austerity, Syrian Opposition, [Robin Hood Foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robin-hood-foundation.md), Black Boxes
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands

## About this episode

Vladimir Putin officially launched construction of the South Stream gas pipeline this week, signaling a major shift in European energy logistics that may render Syrian transit routes obsolete. The project, a joint venture between Gazprom and European partners, aims to deliver Russian natural gas via the Black Sea, effectively bypassing traditional bottlenecks. This geopolitical maneuver coincides with the Obama administration's public frustration over Qatar allegedly diverting weapons intended for Libyan rebels to extremist factions within the Syrian opposition.

In the Netherlands, the housing market faces a total freeze as the government implements strict austerity measures and eliminates tax deductions for interest-only mortgages. Adam Curry reports from Amsterdam on the rise of the Electronic Patient Dossier and a transition toward cashless farmers' markets, while John C. Dvorak analyzes the U.S. fiscal cliff and the expiration of the Alternative Minimum Tax. Meanwhile, the International Telecommunication Union conference in Dubai faces scrutiny over leaked documents proposing global internet regulations that would treat digital traffic like traditional telephony roaming.

Technical difficulties from a 1690s-era Amsterdam apartment couldn't stop the knighting of Sir Wiley and Sir Steven during this episode's Value for Value ceremony. Adam Curry experiments with new donation clips from a young girl named Lizzie, including the instant classic line, "Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton." The hosts also find time to sweeten dry C-SPAN footage of Senator Carl Levin with upbeat tracks from the Bohunks.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Gitmo Nation Episode 468 (0:00–2:21)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open Episode 468 of the No Agenda show on December 9, 2012. Curry broadcasts from a mobile setup in Amsterdam, Netherlands, while Dvorak joins from Northern Silicon Valley. The hosts discuss technical difficulties with the remote audio configuration and Curry's recent move into a new rental property in the Dutch lowlands.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [podcast intro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-intro.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Amsterdam Living Conditions, Mickey's Illness, and Paparazzi (2:24–7:00)

Adam Curry describes the challenges of settling into a small, historic 1690s-era apartment in Amsterdam. He reports that his wife, Mickey, has been hospitalized at an emergency room with a severe bladder infection. Curry also expresses frustration with Dutch paparazzi following him and his ill wife during their daily errands in the city.

Keywords: [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [rotterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rotterdam.md), [mickey curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mickey-curry.md), bladder infection, [paparazzi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paparazzi.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Dutch Social Etiquette, Zombification, and Referee Violence (7:00–9:52)

Adam Curry observes a lack of social etiquette in Amsterdam, describing residents as "zombies" who bump into others without apologizing. The hosts link this perceived decline in societal respect to a recent news event where a youth soccer referee was kicked to death by teenage players. They also note the surreal atmosphere of crowded cafes during a period of national austerity.

Keywords: [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [social etiquette](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-etiquette.md), [zombies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zombies.md), soccer referee, [respect](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/respect.md), [austerity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austerity.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Health Insurance Challenges and San Francisco Transit Fares (9:53–12:49)

The hosts compare the Dutch healthcare system to the United States, noting that the Netherlands lacks national insurance and requires private coverage. John C. Dvorak highlights a new policy in San Francisco where the Board of Supervisors and Muni are considering shifting transit discounts from seniors to low-income residents. They argue this will lead to higher fares for those who can afford them and turn buses into shelters for the homeless.

Keywords: [health insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/health-insurance.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [muni](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/muni.md), income-based fares

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Economic Depression Cycles, Mayan Calendar, and Dutch Street Organs (12:49–16:44)

John C. Dvorak discusses the psychological impact of the 40-year economic depression cycle, while Adam Curry mentions the upcoming end of the Mayan calendar on December 21, 2012. Curry shares an anecdote about a traditional Dutch street organ in an Amsterdam market playing "Havah Nagila" and Turkish music instead of traditional Dutch tunes. They also clarify that Dutch "coffee shops" remain open to foreigners despite rumors of a "weed pass" restriction.

Keywords: [mayan calendar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mayan-calendar.md), [economic depression](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-depression.md), [40-year cycle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/40-year-cycle.md), street organ, [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), havah nagila

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Dutch Housing Market Collapse and Interest-Only Mortgages (16:45–19:37)

Adam Curry reports on the collapse of the Dutch housing market driven by new austerity measures from Brussels. The government is ending tax deductions for interest-only mortgages, forcing homeowners to convert to principal-repayment plans. This shift has frozen the market as property values decline and homeowners struggle with increased monthly costs.

Keywords: [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [housing market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/housing-market.md), interest-only mortgage, [austerity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austerity.md), [brussels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brussels.md), [tax deductions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-deductions.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Fiscal Cliff, National Debt, and Sean Hannity (19:37–23:40)

John C. Dvorak explains the "fiscal cliff" and the impending expiration of tax cuts, including the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). They debate the nature of the $16 trillion U.S. national debt, noting that much of it is owed to domestic entitlements and the Federal Reserve rather than foreign powers. A clip of Sean Hannity is played, where the Fox News host argues that going over the cliff is a "noble endeavor" to control deficits.

Keywords: [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [national debt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-debt.md), [alternative minimum tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alternative-minimum-tax.md), [federal reserve](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-reserve.md), [sean hannity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-hannity.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Doha Climate Change Conference and Siemens (23:41–25:45)

The hosts critique the climate change conference in Doha, Qatar, noting a journalist's observation that the event's logo resembles the Comedy Central logo. Adam Curry mentions a Siemens representative promoting green infrastructure as a corporate "bonanza." They characterize the conference as a legislative "gouge" with little actual progress.

Keywords: [doha](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doha.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [democracy now](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy-now.md), [siemens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/siemens.md), [comedy central](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comedy-central.md), [logo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/logo.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Syria Conflict, Chemical Weapons, and Intervention Rhetoric (25:46–29:03)

The hosts analyze the shifting rhetoric regarding the Syrian Civil War and the threat of chemical weapons. They play clips from PBS analysts discussing a "soft landing" for President Bashar al-Assad and the possibility of U.S. air strikes. Adam Curry questions the logic of bombing chemical weapon stockpiles, suggesting such an intervention could lead to a catastrophe.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [chemical weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemical-weapons.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [intervention](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intervention.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/9.md)

### 10. South Stream Pipeline, Gazprom, and Geopolitics (29:04–33:17)

Vladimir Putin marks the start of the South Stream gas pipeline construction, which will deliver Russian gas to Europe via the Black Sea and the Balkans. Adam Curry argues that Russia is backing away from Syria because the South Stream project makes the Syrian transit route less vital. They discuss Hillary Clinton's efforts to block Russian energy influence in favor of the Nabucco pipeline through Turkey.

Keywords: [south stream](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-stream.md), [gazprom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gazprom.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [nabucco pipeline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nabucco-pipeline.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Qatar Weapons Transfers and Syrian Opposition (33:17–37:52)

The Obama administration is reportedly blaming Qatar for delivering weapons to the wrong militant groups within the Syrian opposition. Adam Curry references a New York Times article suggesting that weapons originally intended for Libya ended up with jihadists in Syria. The hosts conclude that the U.S. is now "stuck" with a chaotic situation in Syria while Russia secures its energy future through new pipelines.

Keywords: [qatar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/qatar.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Nabucco Pipeline Failure and Patriot Missiles in Turkey (38:00–41:27)

The hosts discuss the failure of the Nabucco pipeline project, which aimed to bring gas from Azerbaijan through Iraq and Syria to Turkey. They note that Turkey is requesting Patriot missiles from the Netherlands for defense. Adam Curry predicts that the Syrian conflict will worsen as various armed factions gain access to chemical weapons, regardless of President Assad's actions.

Keywords: nabucco, [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [azerbaijan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/azerbaijan.md), [patriot missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-missiles.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Lizzie Donation Clips and Hillary Clinton Jingle (41:27–44:46)

Adam Curry introduces a new series of donation clips featuring a young girl named Lizzie. The clips include humorous phrases like "Don't eat me, Hillary Clinton" and "Bah humbug, slave." Curry explains the difficulty of recording children and plans to process the audio for better dynamic range before using them in future episodes.

Keywords: lizzie, donation clips, [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [soundboard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soundboard.md), [podcast production](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-production.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Executive Producer Credits and Super Karma Coins (44:47–50:16)

The hosts thank high-tier donors, including Sir Ernie and Sir Robert, for their contributions tied to the 12-12-12 date. Baron Stephen Pelsmacher is recognized for a $999.99 donation to help with the costs of Curry's European relocation. An anonymous donor contributes $500 with a message of "fuck you both," prompting Curry to play random jingles from the soundboard.

Keywords: sir ernie, sir robert, [stephen pelsmacher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-pelsmacher.md), super karma coins, [12-12-12](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/12-12-12.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Associate Executive Producers and Value for Value (50:17–53:37)

Additional donors are credited, including Black Knight McTank and Luke Wonderhelm. Wiley Harp becomes an Associate Executive Producer with a $312.12 donation as a birthday gift to himself. The hosts reiterate their "Value for Value" model, encouraging listeners to support the show financially or by propagating the "No Agenda" formula.

Keywords: black knight mctank, luke wonderhelm, [wiley harp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wiley-harp.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Revised Election Job Numbers and Jack Welch (53:38–55:21)

The hosts discuss the downward revision of job creation numbers for September and October 2012, which were originally released before the presidential election. They argue this vindicates Jack Welch, who was criticized for suggesting the books were "cooked" by the Obama administration. They compare the tactic to previous administrations using security alerts for political gain.

Keywords: job numbers, [jack welch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jack-welch.md), [2012 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2012-election.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [chicago politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago-politics.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Mandatory Black Boxes in Vehicles (55:22–1:00:37)

The U.S. government is accelerating plans to mandate black box data recorders in all new vehicles by 2014. While framed as a safety measure, the hosts argue these devices are intended for revenue generation, such as automated speeding tickets and mileage taxes. They express concern over the lack of privacy protections and the potential for the IRS to use the data.

Keywords: black boxes, [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [mileage tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mileage-tax.md), [irs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/irs.md), [department of transportation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-transportation.md), [revenue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/revenue.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Electronic Patient Dossiers and Cashless Markets (1:00:38–1:05:03)

Adam Curry discusses the implementation of the Electronic Patient Dossier (EPD) in the Netherlands, which shares medical data directly with insurance companies. He also notes a trend toward cashless transactions at traditional Dutch farmers' markets, where vendors now prefer debit cards over physical currency. The hosts view these developments as signs of increasing surveillance in "Gitmo Nation."

Keywords: electronic patient dossier, health records, [insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insurance.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [cashless](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cashless.md), [debit cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debit-cards.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Secret Service Security Breach and Skyfall Promotion (1:05:05–1:09:47)

The hosts critique a news report about a Secret Service security breach involving lost computer tapes, which they identify as a viral marketing promotion for the James Bond film "Skyfall." They also mention a "Marfan virus" scare coinciding with the release of the "Lincoln" movie, suggesting a pattern of news stories being used to promote Hollywood films.

Keywords: [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), [security breach](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-breach.md), skyfall, [james bond](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-bond.md), marfan syndrome, [abraham lincoln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abraham-lincoln.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Senator Jeff Bingaman and the Fiscal Cliff Hearing (1:09:48–1:13:28)

John C. Dvorak plays clips from a Congressional hearing where Senator Jeff Bingaman repeatedly questions economist Kevin Hassett about defaulting on the national debt. Dvorak characterizes the Senator's questioning as "leading the witness," as Hassett consistently denies that defaulting is his position despite the Senator's insistence.

Keywords: jeff bingaman, [kevin hassett](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kevin-hassett.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [national debt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-debt.md), [default](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/default.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Robin Hood Foundation and 12-12-12 Concert (1:13:29–1:16:56)

The hosts criticize the "12-12-12" concert for Hurricane Sandy relief, noting it primarily benefits the Robin Hood Foundation rather than victims directly. They highlight the foundation's ties to Jamie Dimon and Chase Bank, questioning the ethics of a charity with over $300 million in net assets and high executive salaries.

Keywords: [robin hood foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robin-hood-foundation.md), 12-12-12 concert, [jamie dimon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jamie-dimon.md), [chase bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chase-bank.md), [hurricane sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md), [charity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charity.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Charity Executive Salaries and Stevie Wonder (1:16:58–1:20:12)

Adam Curry examines the 2010 tax filings for the Robin Hood Foundation, revealing that Stevie Wonder was paid $500,000 for a performance. He lists several executives earning over $200,000 annually and notes the foundation's extensive investments in global stocks and bonds. The hosts argue that "100% of every dollar" claims are misleading when the money goes to other non-profits rather than individuals.

Keywords: [stevie wonder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stevie-wonder.md), alex colletti, [executive pay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-pay.md), [robin hood foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robin-hood-foundation.md), [990 forms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/990-forms.md), [investments](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/investments.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Sandy Relief and Charitable Giving Skepticism (1:20:12–1:24:21)

The hosts continue their critique of the Robin Hood Foundation, noting that it distributes funds to other organizations like the SEIU and the Audubon Society. They advise listeners to provide direct aid, such as water and blankets, to victims in New Jersey and Staten Island rather than donating to large, elitist foundations.

Keywords: sandy relief, [robin hood foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robin-hood-foundation.md), [seiu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seiu.md), [audubon society](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audubon-society.md), [charity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charity.md), [elitism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elitism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Twitter Icons and Social Movements (1:24:23–1:28:48)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discuss the phenomenon of users changing their Twitter icons to support social causes. They joke about starting their own movement or getting listeners to adopt a "No Agenda" icon, noting that many people forget to change their icons back after a trend ends.

Keywords: [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md), icons, movements, [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/24.md)

### 25. HSMM-Mesh Network and Amateur Radio (1:28:48–1:32:51)

Adam Curry discusses the HSMM-Mesh network in Austin, Texas, where amateur radio operators use modified Linksys routers to create a high-powered Wi-Fi mesh network. As a licensed ham radio operator, Curry expresses interest in the technology's ability to provide long-range, decentralized communication using specialized antennas and software.

Keywords: hsmm-mesh, [amateur radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amateur-radio.md), linksys, [wifi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wifi.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/25.md)

### 26. International Donations and European Travel (1:32:52–1:38:04)

The hosts read donations from international listeners in Sweden, Germany, and Portugal. Sir Mike in Saskatoon credits "No Agenda" karma for his successful divorce and a new relationship. Adam Curry acknowledges a donation from Jose Abreu in Portugal intended to help fund his "teepee" or temporary housing during the European tour.

Keywords: [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [portugal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portugal.md), [saskatoon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saskatoon.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Birthday Karma and Numerology Donations (1:38:05–1:42:19)

A series of "69.69" and "12.12" donations are read, with listeners requesting "karma" for birthdays and new business ventures. The hosts discuss the organic emergence of these numerological donation patterns within the "No Agenda" community. James Shea from West Virginia breaks the trend with a "68.68" donation, jokingly refusing to participate in the "69" theme.

Keywords: [6969](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/6969.md), [12-12-12](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/12-12-12.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [numerology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/numerology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Orlando Douchebags and McAfee Hit Job (1:42:20–1:46:59)

Eric Henry in Orlando requests a "douchebag" call-out for his local peers, noting a lack of "No Agenda" knights in the area. David Humphries in Dallas sends a donation and requests a "two to the head" for John McAfee, characterizing the legal troubles of the software founder as a "hit job."

Keywords: [orlando](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/orlando.md), [john mcafee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mcafee.md), [ice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [douchebags](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/douchebags.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Double Nickels and Value for Value History (1:47:01–1:50:56)

Sir Stone in South Dakota is thanked for a "double nickels on the dime" ($55.10) donation, a legacy gimmick from the show's early days. He credits the "No Agenda" community for helping him succeed on Etsy. The segment concludes with various $50 donations from Florida, Zurich, and Iowa.

Keywords: [double nickels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/double-nickels.md), [etsy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/etsy.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [saskatoon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saskatoon.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Knighting Ceremony for Sir Wiley and Sir Steven (1:50:59–1:54:34)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak perform a formal knighting ceremony for Wiley Harp and Steven Pelsmacher. They are officially dubbed "Sir Wiley" and "Sir Steven" of the No Agenda Roundtable in recognition of their significant financial support. The hosts recite the traditional list of "hookers and blow" rewards associated with the honor.

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), sir wiley, sir steven, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [no agenda roundtable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-roundtable.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Obama's Private Inauguration and Hillary's Body Double (1:54:35–1:57:13)

The hosts discuss President Obama's decision to hold his 2013 inauguration ceremony in private, excluding the press. They play a C-SPAN clip featuring Ehud Barak joking about the existence of "two Hillarys" due to her frequent global travel. John C. Dvorak leans into the conspiracy theory that both Obama and Clinton utilize body doubles.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [inauguration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inauguration.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [body double](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/body-double.md), [ehud barak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ehud-barak.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Royal Nurse Suicide and Mike Elgan Douchebaggery (1:57:13–2:00:05)

The hosts discuss the reported suicide of the nurse involved in the Kate Middleton prank call incident, questioning the official narrative and the media's role. Adam Curry also mentions a blog post by Mike Elgan regarding his "douchebag" call-out on the show, noting the negative reaction from Elgan's followers on Google Plus.

Keywords: royal nurse, [suicide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suicide.md), [kate middleton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kate-middleton.md), [mike elgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-elgan.md), [google plus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-plus.md), [media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Federal Marijuana Enforcement and States' Rights (2:00:05–2:04:13)

The hosts examine the conflict between federal law and the legalization of marijuana in Washington and Colorado. They discuss a letter from members of Congress urging the DOJ to respect state laws. John C. Dvorak emphasizes the importance of the 10th Amendment and argues that federal overreach is undermining the constitutional balance of power.

Keywords: [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [washington](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington.md), [colorado](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colorado.md), [states' rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/states-rights.md), [10th amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/10th-amendment.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/33.md)

### 34. European Federalism and One World Government (2:04:13–2:07:10)

Adam Curry compares the U.S. state system to the push for a federalized Europe, noting that Europeans often misunderstand American states' rights. They discuss Switzerland as a model for decentralized power and argue that internationalists are pushing for a "one world government" to protect the assets of the global elite.

Keywords: [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [federalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federalism.md), [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md), [one world government](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/one-world-government.md), [sovereignty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sovereignty.md), [un](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/un.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/34.md)

### 35. ITU Internet Regulation and Dubai Conference (2:07:10–2:10:30)

The hosts analyze leaked documents from the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT-12) in Dubai. They mock proposals from Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia that attempt to apply old telecommunications rules to the internet, such as "internet roaming" and emergency service notifications. They conclude that the regulators do not understand how the internet actually functions.

Keywords: [itu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/itu.md), wcit-12, [dubai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dubai.md), [internet regulation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-regulation.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [roaming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roaming.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/35.md)

### 36. ITU Definition of Spam and Advertising (2:10:30–2:14:04)

The hosts critique the ITU's proposed definition of "spam," which excludes information transmitted over broadcast networks. They argue that the definition is hypocritical, as it protects traditional corporate advertising while criminalizing similar bulk digital communication. John C. Dvorak suggests that all advertising is essentially a form of spam.

Keywords: [spam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spam.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [itu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/itu.md), broadcast networks, [legislation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/legislation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/36.md)

### 37. UN Disability Treaty and Chris Matthews (2:14:09–2:17:21)

The hosts discuss the U.S. Senate's rejection of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. They play a clip of Chris Matthews on MSNBC criticizing opponents of the treaty. Adam Curry argues that the treaty would have ceded U.S. sovereignty to the UN, allowing international bodies to define disability standards for American families.

Keywords: un disability treaty, [rick santorum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rick-santorum.md), [chris matthews](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-matthews.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [sovereignty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sovereignty.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Media Industry Shifts and Anna Wintour Ambassadorship (2:17:23–2:21:46)

The hosts discuss changes in the cable news landscape, including restructuring at Fox News and the move of several pundits to Current TV. They also report on rumors that President Obama may appoint Vogue editor Anna Wintour as Ambassador to the UK or France as a reward for her significant fundraising efforts.

Keywords: [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [anna wintour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anna-wintour.md), [vogue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vogue.md), [ambassadorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ambassadorship.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/38.md)

### 39. C-SPAN Sweetening and Senate Outro (2:21:47–2:26:32)

Adam Curry demonstrates how to "sweeten" boring C-SPAN footage of Senator Carl Levin by adding music from the Bohunks and sound effects. The segment features the Senate passing resolutions for American Diabetes Month and National Nurse-Managed Health Clinic Week. The hosts sign off, promising to return on Thursday with improved audio equipment.

Keywords: [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [carl levin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carl-levin.md), bohunks, ferde grofe, [senate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate.md), [diabetes month](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diabetes-month.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/468-meat-hands/chapter/39.md)

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