# Dead Hand of Bureaucracy > A deep dive into the theater of international conflict, the militarization of the CIA, and the bureaucratic machinery behind the modern Thanksgiving holiday. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 463 - **Published:** 2012-11-22 - **Length:** 3h 14m - **Topics:** [Iron Dome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iron-dome.md), [Susan Rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [Benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [Sinterklaas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sinterklaas.md), [Drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [Nigel Farage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nigel-farage.md), [Ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy ## About this episode Susan Rice faces intense scrutiny over her Benghazi talking points as the Congressional Black Caucus defends her potential Secretary of State nomination against claims of incompetence. The diplomatic row at the United Nations coincides with a fragile Gaza ceasefire, which critics suggest served as a convenient distraction for Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration during a period of domestic fiscal tension. Israel’s Iron Dome system is characterized as a high-stakes marketing demonstration for Israel Aircraft Industries, following multi-billion dollar defense contracts with Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Media outlets like CNN and the BBC are criticized for staged war reporting, including a retracted Reuters video featuring a supposedly wounded man in Gaza. Meanwhile, the FBI continues its six-week cycle of homegrown terror arrests, utilizing Facebook surveillance and entrapment-style stings to build cases against individuals recruited via social media. John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry celebrate a traditional Austin Thanksgiving with heirloom pumpkins and ham radio milestones. The duo analyzes the Dutch Sinterklaas controversy involving Black Pete and the historical codification of the holiday by Abraham Lincoln. The session concludes with a look at the jewel wasp’s parasitic life cycle and a knighting ceremony for the show’s most dedicated executive producers. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/transcript.md. ### 1. Thanksgiving Traditions, Heirloom Pumpkins and Personal Plans (0:00–2:43) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the Thanksgiving edition of the podcast from Austin, Texas and a bunker in Washington State. Dvorak describes his family's preparation of a pumpkin pie made from an heirloom pumpkin that resembles a squash. Curry discusses his plans to spend the holiday alone in Austin while his co-host hosts a large family gathering. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), heirloom pumpkin, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [washington state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-state.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Thanksgiving History, Abraham Lincoln and Black Friday Origins (2:44–8:09) The origins of Thanksgiving are analyzed, with the hosts characterizing the holiday as "bogative" and historically inaccurate. John C. Dvorak explains that the modern holiday was codified by Abraham Lincoln in 1863 following activism by writer Sarah Hale, rather than originating solely from a 1621 event with Pilgrims. The discussion covers the transition from "Harvest Home" traditions and the commercial shift of the holiday to benefit retailers, leading to the creation of Black Friday. Keywords: [abraham lincoln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abraham-lincoln.md), [sarah hale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-hale.md), harvest home, [black friday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-friday.md), [pilgrims](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pilgrims.md), thanksgiving history [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Sinterklaas Tradition, Black Pete Racism Controversy in Netherlands (8:10–10:34) The Dutch holiday tradition of Sinterklaas and his helper, Black Pete (Zwarte Piet), faces annual accusations of racism in the Netherlands. An activist was reportedly arrested in Amsterdam for protesting the fictional character without a permit. Supporters of the tradition argue the character's appearance is due to soot from chimneys rather than racial caricature, while critics point to its 19th-century origins during a period of systemic inequality. Keywords: [sinterklaas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sinterklaas.md), [zwarte piet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zwarte-piet.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md), [st. nicholas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/st-nicholas.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Family Thanksgiving Meals, Cereal Indulgence and Personal Anecdotes (10:36–12:47) A host describes a "mini Thanksgiving" meal consisting of chicken and eggnog shared with his daughter and her boyfriend before they traveled to Corpus Christi. The segment details a morning spent eating sugary cereals like Honey Smacks and Honey Nut Cheerios, which are usually restricted. Plans for the remainder of the holiday include eating merguez sausage and watching television. Keywords: [corpus christi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corpus-christi.md), honey smacks, honey nut cheerios, mexican family, thanksgiving dinner [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Texas Cannibalism Reports, Holiday Crime Trends (12:50–13:42) Reports of cannibalism in Texas are discussed as a recurring, albeit gruesome, holiday news trend. The hosts reference past cases where individuals allegedly killed and consumed family members or partners. They note that such sensational stories often resurface or occur around the Thanksgiving season. Keywords: [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [cannibalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cannibalism.md), crime trends, holiday news, [murder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/murder.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Executive Producer Credits, Palindrome Donations and Ham Radio (13:42–19:38) The hosts acknowledge executive producers and associate executive producers who support the show through the value-for-value model. Notable donations include a $1,212.12 contribution from Dame Molly Kincaid and a $1,122.12 palindrome donation from Sir Robert Rock. The segment also touches on the growing interest in ham radio among the audience, mentioning the "Daily Morse Code" website. Keywords: [producer credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producer-credits.md), molly kincaid, [robert rock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-rock.md), [palindrome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/palindrome.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Wedding Gift Donations, 463 Club and Knighting Requests (19:40–21:45) A listener from Christina Lake, Maine, donates to the "463 Club" as a wedding present for her fiancé, Richard Harriman, to help him reach the rank of Knight. The hosts discuss the concept of giving podcast donations as holiday or wedding gifts. The segment concludes with a mention of Baron Von Pelzmacher returning to support the show from Belgium. Keywords: 463 club, richard harriman, [wedding gift](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wedding-gift.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), christina lake [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Listener Feedback, Global Donations and Media Skepticism (21:47–29:01) Donations arrive from various locations, including Pennsylvania, Indiana, and the South of France, with listeners expressing gratitude for the show's media analysis. One donor, Devin Smith, contributes from France, while another from Virginia mentions using mortgage refinancing funds to support the podcast. The hosts emphasize that their goal is to help listeners laugh at the absurdity of the news rather than feeling frustrated by it. Keywords: david hoffman, [south of france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-of-france.md), [alexandria virginia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexandria-virginia.md), [media analysis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-analysis.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Baby Announcements, Helsinki Donors and Job Karma (29:02–35:59) A donation from Ron Pepper includes a hidden message for a friend in France, revealing a pregnancy announcement. Other contributions come from Lori Jutila in Helsinki and an anonymous "job seeker" in Amsterdam who requests "job karma" for an upcoming interview. The segment features various "karma" soundbites requested by donors for personal health and professional success. Keywords: baby announcement, [helsinki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/helsinki.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [job search](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-search.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Iron Dome Domain, Australian Skeptics Conference (36:00–38:14) Adam Curry discusses registering the domain "irondouche.com" following the eight-day conflict in Israel involving the Iron Dome system. Additionally, a listener named Maynard announces a meetup in Melbourne, Australia, during the Australian Skeptics National Conference. A 38-minute YouTube video compiling show clips is also highlighted for its production value. Keywords: [iron dome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iron-dome.md), irondouche.com, [maynard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maynard.md), [melbourne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/melbourne.md), australian skeptics [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/10.md) ### 11. NBC Up All Night, If You See Something Say Something Jingle (38:15–40:30) The hosts react to a scene from the NBC sitcom "Up All Night" that features a "neighborhood watch" melody similar to their own "If You See Something, Say Something" jingle. They jokingly accuse the show's writers of stealing their audio branding. The segment concludes with a thank you to the live chat room participants. Keywords: [nbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc.md), up all night, [jingle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jingle.md), [neighborhood watch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/neighborhood-watch.md), [sitcom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sitcom.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Susan Rice, Benghazi Talking Points and UN Diplomacy (40:30–46:18) The potential nomination of Susan Rice to succeed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State is criticized following the Benghazi attack controversy. The hosts analyze Rice's reliance on "intelligence community" talking points, which they argue were intentionally misleading. They describe her diplomatic style at the United Nations as arrogant and snotty, suggesting she was set up to fail by the State Department. Keywords: [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [intelligence community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-community.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Racial Rhetoric, Congressional Black Caucus and Susan Rice Defense (46:19–54:29) The defense of Susan Rice by the Congressional Black Caucus is examined, specifically the claims that criticism of her is rooted in racism and sexism. Representative Marsha Fudge and others are shown labeling words like "incompetent" as racial code words. The hosts contrast this with the tenure of Condoleezza Rice and feature a critique from Michael Meyers of the New York Civil Rights Coalition regarding the use of the "race card" in 21st-century politics. Keywords: [soledad o'brien](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soledad-o-brien.md), marsha fudge, [james clyburn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clyburn.md), [racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racism.md), [sexism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexism.md), [condoleezza rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/condoleezza-rice.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Alan West, Tea Party Symbolism and Election Loss (54:30–57:41) The political career and recent election loss of Florida Representative Alan West are discussed. Media commentators are heard describing West as a "symbol" of the Tea Party who was "played" by the movement. The hosts question the narrative that the Tea Party is racist given that West, a Black Republican, was one of its most prominent figures. Keywords: alan west, [tea party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tea-party.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [republican party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republican-party.md), [election results](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/election-results.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Israel-Gaza Conflict, Media Theater and Jerusalem Missiles (57:42–1:02:09) The hosts characterize the eight-day conflict between Israel and Hamas as "theater" for domestic political consumption and military promotion. They critique British Foreign Secretary William Hague's statements regarding long-range missiles targeting Jerusalem. The segment suggests that journalists in Gaza are participating in a staged propaganda war where explosions are timed for the cameras. Keywords: [william hague](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-hague.md), [jerusalem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerusalem.md), [hamas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamas.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Anderson Cooper, Reuters Video Retraction and Media Credibility (1:02:10–1:03:38) CNN's Anderson Cooper is featured retracting a video segment that allegedly showed a wounded man in Gaza who was later seen standing and conscious. The footage, sourced from Reuters, is cited as an example of the "media war" where both sides use staged images to influence public opinion. Cooper admits the network could not independently verify the timeline of the images. Keywords: [anderson cooper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anderson-cooper.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [reuters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reuters.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), video verification [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Iron Dome Promotion, Missile Defense Sales to Qatar (1:03:39–1:06:33) The conflict in Israel is framed as a high-profile demonstration for the Iron Dome missile defense system. CNN's coverage is described as a promotional tour for Israel Aircraft Industries. The hosts link the "success" of the system to recent multi-billion dollar defense contracts with Qatar and Saudi Arabia for similar American-made missile defense technology. Keywords: [iron dome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iron-dome.md), [missile defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/missile-defense.md), [qatar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/qatar.md), [saudi arabia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saudi-arabia.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [radar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radar.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/17.md) ### 18. BBC World Service, Staged War Reporting Parody (1:06:33–1:09:29) The hosts parody the dramatic style of war reporting used by the BBC World Service and CNN. They play a clip of BBC reporter Jon Donison reacting to an airstrike in Gaza City, which they suggest follows a predictable script designed to create a sense of danger for the audience. The segment mocks the "be safe" platitudes often exchanged between anchors and field reporters. Keywords: [bbc world service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc-world-service.md), jon donison, [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [war reporting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-reporting.md), [parody](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parody.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Ben Wiedemann, Yellow Cake Reporting and CNN Fixers (1:09:30–1:12:39) CNN senior correspondent Ben Wiedemann is criticized after a hot-mic moment captures him joking with a producer during a "scary" report from Gaza. The hosts trace Wiedemann's career from a local fixer in Jordan to the reporter who originally broke the debunked story about "yellow cake" uranium in Libya. They argue that many high-level correspondents lack traditional journalistic credentials and function as state mouthpieces. Keywords: ben wiedemann, [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [yellow cake](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yellow-cake.md), [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md), [cairo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cairo.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Gaza Ceasefire, Domestic Distractions and Hillary Clinton (1:12:39–1:14:07) The announcement of a ceasefire in Gaza is viewed as a way for Hillary Clinton to exit her role as Secretary of State on a "high note" while distracting from the Benghazi investigation. The hosts argue the conflict served to divert public attention from the "fiscal cliff" and domestic austerity measures in both the U.S. and Israel. Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [gaza ceasefire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza-ceasefire.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [austerity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austerity.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Victoria Nuland, State Department Press Briefing and Turkey (1:14:08–1:18:04) State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland faces tough questioning from Reuters reporter Matt Lee regarding Turkey's characterization of Israel as a "terrorist state." Lee challenges Nuland on the effectiveness of "quiet diplomacy" while civilians die. Nuland refuses to publicly disagree with Turkey, an ally, leading to a tense exchange about rhetorical attacks against Israel. Keywords: [victoria nuland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria-nuland.md), [matt lee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-lee.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [diplomacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diplomacy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Barack Obama, Drone Strike Irony and Self-Defense (1:18:05–1:19:37) President Obama's statement that "no country on earth would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens" is highlighted for its perceived irony. The hosts point out that the U.S. frequently uses drones to fire missiles into Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. They argue that by Obama's own logic, those nations would have a right to defend themselves against American drone strikes. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [yemen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yemen.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [self-defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/self-defense.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/22.md) ### 23. British Parliament, William Hague and Two-State Solution (1:19:38–1:25:14) Rehearsed questions in the British Parliament regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict are analyzed. Foreign Secretary William Hague discusses the closing "window of opportunity" for a two-state solution due to Israeli settlement expansion. The hosts argue these sessions are scripted performances intended to maintain a diplomatic status quo while facilitating arms sales. Keywords: [william hague](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/william-hague.md), [british parliament](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/british-parliament.md), [two-state solution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/two-state-solution.md), [jerusalem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerusalem.md), [settlements](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/settlements.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Iron Dome Skepticism, Wag the Dog and Conflict Longevity (1:25:15–1:31:32) The hosts express skepticism regarding the technical claims of the Iron Dome, noting a lack of diverse video evidence of interceptions. They characterize the ongoing regional conflict as a "Wag the Dog" scenario that persists because it is profitable for the global weapons industry. The segment addresses the intense emotional reactions from listeners on both sides of the Zionist/Palestinian debate. Keywords: [iron dome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iron-dome.md), [wag the dog](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wag-the-dog.md), [zionism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zionism.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [military industrial complex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-industrial-complex.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/24.md) ### 25. Holiday Wine Recommendations, Beaujolais and Thanksgiving Cooking (1:31:32–1:36:41) John C. Dvorak provides wine recommendations for Thanksgiving dinner, suggesting a Beaujolais Village from Costco or a 2010/2011 vintage. He notes that Beaujolais pairs perfectly with turkey, while California Chardonnay is a viable alternative. The hosts also discuss the merits of heritage turkeys versus cheaper alternatives. Keywords: [beaujolais](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beaujolais.md), [costco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/costco.md), [chardonnay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chardonnay.md), thanksgiving wine, [cooking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cooking.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Hurricane Sandy Relief, New Jersey Recovery and Chinese Restaurants (1:36:42–1:40:42) A listener from New Jersey describes the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, noting that his family survived seven days without heat, water, or power. He credits the podcast as "hurricane relief for the soul" during the recovery. He also observes that local Chinese restaurants were the only businesses to remain open and serve food immediately following the storm. Keywords: [hurricane sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md), [new jersey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-jersey.md), [power outage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/power-outage.md), chinese food, [recovery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recovery.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Ham Radio Community, EchoLink and 8888 Donations (1:40:42–1:47:31) The podcast's ham radio community is highlighted through a series of "8888" donations, which in amateur radio parlance signifies "love and kisses." Listeners encourage John C. Dvorak to join the community on EchoLink node 3373. Adam Curry discusses his progress in amateur radio, mentioning his "General Class" exam success and upcoming call sign changes. Keywords: [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [echolink](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echolink.md), [morse code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morse-code.md), [8888](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/8888.md), [amateur radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amateur-radio.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/27.md) ### 28. USS Liberty, Historical Accuracy and Listener Corrections (1:47:33–1:51:33) The hosts address listener corrections regarding a previous segment that confused the 1967 USS Liberty incident with the 1964 USS Maddox. John C. Dvorak recalls writing an op-ed about the USS Liberty years ago and receiving strange, angry feedback. They emphasize that while they occasionally make errors during live broadcasts, they strive for accuracy in their analysis of historical events. Keywords: [uss liberty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uss-liberty.md), uss maddox, [historical accuracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/historical-accuracy.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), 1967 [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/28.md) ### 29. Retail Activism, No Agenda Propagation and Canadian Football (1:51:33–1:56:14) A listener describes "hitting people in the mouth" by changing the browser homepages on smartphones in an AT&T store to the podcast's website. Another donor from Calgary, Alberta, asks for "getting laid karma" and support for the Calgary Stampeters in the Canadian Football League's Grey Cup. The hosts celebrate these creative methods of propagating "The Formula." Keywords: at&t store, calgary stampeters, canadian football league, retail activism, [propagation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propagation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Ohio Election Ads, Paul Ryan and Grandma Parody (1:56:15–1:58:53) The saturation of campaign advertisements in Ohio during the 2012 election is discussed. A listener references a controversial ad depicting a politician pushing an elderly woman off a cliff. The hosts clarify that the ad was a Super PAC production targeting Paul Ryan's budget proposals, though it was frequently associated with Mitt Romney in the public consciousness. Keywords: [ohio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ohio.md), election ads, [paul ryan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-ryan.md), [mitt romney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitt-romney.md), [super pac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/super-pac.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/30.md) ### 31. Drone Fatality App, Palindrome Dates and European Memes (1:58:54–2:00:35) A student listener is reportedly developing a mobile app that uses GPS and demographic data to calculate a user's statistical chance of being killed by a drone strike. Additionally, European listeners point out the palindrome date of 21-11-12, which aligns with the show's interest in numerical patterns and memes. Keywords: drone app, [gps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gps.md), [palindrome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/palindrome.md), 21-11-12, [memes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memes.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/31.md) ### 32. New York Photography, Tanning Mom and Jersey Culture (2:00:36–2:04:22) A professional photographer in New York requests a plug for his services while waiting for his "Knight Ring." The hosts also acknowledge a donation from Nutley, New Jersey, referencing the "Tanning Mom" media sensation as a symbol of local culture. The segment features several "6969" donations, a recurring theme among the show's supporters. Keywords: [photography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photography.md), tanning mom, [new jersey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-jersey.md), nutley, [6969](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/6969.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/32.md) ### 33. Ham Gear Inheritance, Kia Soul and Atlas Shrugged (2:04:23–2:06:47) A listener describes inheriting ham radio equipment from his late grandfather and offers to share duplicates with the hosts. Another donor mentions spotting an "Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker on a Kia Soul, leading to a discussion about the car's quality and the "walking hamsters" advertising campaign. The segment includes a request for an "Atlas Shrugged" audio jingle. 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Keywords: canadian postal service, [hitchhiking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hitchhiking.md), [bruns clothing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruns-clothing.md), [south dakota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-dakota.md), [american made](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/american-made.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/34.md) ### 35. Podcast Awards, The Young Turks and Content Theft (2:11:53–2:16:40) The hosts discuss their lack of nomination for "Best Produced Podcast" at the annual Podcast Awards. They criticize Cenk Uygur and "The Young Turks" (TYT) for allegedly stealing their media analysis and using terms like "Bat Signal." While acknowledging the show's open-source nature, they express frustration that larger networks profit from their original ideas without attribution. 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Keywords: [job search](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-search.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [small business](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/small-business.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/36.md) ### 37. Show Production Evolution, Birthday Call-outs and Thanksgiving Gratitude (2:20:39–2:25:07) Adam Curry reflects on the evolution of the show's production values since its inception four years ago. The hosts express mutual gratitude for their partnership and thank the "Gitmo Slaves" and artists who maintain the show's infrastructure. The segment includes a list of birthday acknowledgments for listeners born around the Thanksgiving holiday. Keywords: [production values](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/production-values.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [legislation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/legislation.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [gratitude](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gratitude.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/37.md) ### 38. Knighting Ceremony, Dames of the Round Table and New Traditions (2:25:08–2:27:42) A formal knighting ceremony is held for several high-level donors, including Molly Kincaid and Richard Harriman. The hosts discuss expanding the "Round Table" traditions to better include the growing number of "Dames," settling on a new celebratory theme of "Chippendales and Champagne." 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Keywords: [ptsd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ptsd.md), [mdma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mdma.md), [ecstasy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ecstasy.md), hiv testing, [adhd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adhd.md), [vyvanse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vyvanse.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/39.md) ### 40. Indianapolis Explosion Investigation, Drone Strike Theory and Pilot Morale (2:33:10–2:38:24) The investigation into a massive neighborhood explosion in Indianapolis is upgraded to a criminal homicide probe. While authorities search for a "white van" and suspect natural gas, the hosts maintain a theory involving a potential drone strike or a cover-up of a government-related incident. They also discuss the low pay and poor working conditions for military drone pilots, suggesting it could lead to rogue actions. Keywords: [indianapolis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indianapolis.md), [explosion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/explosion.md), [drone strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strike.md), [criminal investigation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/criminal-investigation.md), white van [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/40.md) ### 41. Spitfire Pilots, V1 Buzz Bombs and WWII Drone Origins (2:38:25–2:40:58) A 79-year-old ham radio operator from Hastings, England, shares stories of World War II Spitfire pilots defending against V1 "buzz bombs." He describes how pilots would fly alongside the unmanned rockets and use their wingtips to physically flip the bombs off course and into the sea. The hosts characterize these early rockets as the original, less sophisticated ancestors of modern drones. Keywords: spitfire, [v1 rocket](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/v1-rocket.md), buzz bomb, [world war ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-ii.md), hastings england [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/41.md) ### 42. CIA Militarization, Body Counts and the War on Terror (2:40:58–2:42:51) Jeremy Scahill of *The Nation* appears on MSNBC to discuss the militarization of the CIA and the use of "body counts" as a metric for success on Capitol Hill. He argues that the reliance on drone strikes and assassinations may be creating more terrorists than it eliminates. The hosts compare this to the discredited statistical reporting used during the Vietnam War. 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Keywords: [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), terror sting, [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [lone wolf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lone-wolf.md), [inspire magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inspire-magazine.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/43.md) ### 44. Future Terror Plots, Risk Scores and Border Security Software (2:46:10–2:51:03) The hosts speculate on future "terror events" that might be used to justify new security measures, such as TSA at ferry terminals or train stations. They analyze a BBC report on new SAS software that assigns "risk scores" to travelers based on cash payments, age, and travel history. They compare this to credit scores, calling the normalization of individual risk profiles "disgusting." Keywords: risk score, [border security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/border-security.md), sas software, [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/44.md) ### 45. NASA Mars Rover, Curiosity Results and PR Hype (2:51:03–2:52:37) NASA's public relations strategy regarding the Curiosity rover on Mars is criticized for creating artificial suspense. The hosts mock the agency's tendency to tease "exciting new results" that often turn out to be minor scientific findings, such as the presence of water or soil composition. They characterize these announcements as a recurring cycle of hype and disappointment. 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Keywords: blind sheik, omar abdel-rahman, [morsi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morsi.md), [egypt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/egypt.md), [terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terrorism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/47.md) ### 48. Elmo Puppeteer Scandal, Kevin Clash and Sesame Street (2:59:19–3:01:59) The resignation of Kevin Clash, the puppeteer behind Elmo, following allegations of inappropriate relationships with minors is examined. The hosts react to the "Being Elmo" documentary and express surprise that the story hasn't sparked a broader investigation into the culture at Sesame Street. They criticize the media for treating the scandal as a joke rather than a serious criminal matter. Keywords: kevin clash, [elmo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elmo.md), [sesame street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sesame-street.md), puppetry, [scandal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scandal.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/48.md) ### 49. Dutch Prince Friso, Consumption Tax and GDP Spending (3:02:00–3:05:08) Reports on the "minimal consciousness" of Dutch Prince Friso following a skiing accident are briefly mentioned. The discussion shifts to a *Morning Joe* segment where guests proposed a consumption tax (VAT) to address the fiscal cliff. The hosts challenge the claim that government spending is only 24% of GDP, asserting the true figure is closer to 40% when all factors are included. Keywords: prince friso, [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [consumption tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/consumption-tax.md), [gdp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gdp.md), [morning joe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morning-joe.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/49.md) ### 50. Climate Change Memes, Carbon Tax and U.S. Oil Reserves (3:05:09–3:08:50) The IMF's new "4 degrees" climate change meme is identified as a precursor to a proposed $23 per ton carbon tax. Simultaneously, a GAO report estimating U.S. oil reserves at three trillion barrels is discussed, contradicting "peak oil" theories. The hosts argue that fracking and new extraction technologies have fundamentally changed the energy landscape, though they personally favor nuclear power. Keywords: [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [carbon tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-tax.md), [imf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/imf.md), [gao](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gao.md), [oil reserves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil-reserves.md), [fracking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fracking.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/463-dead-hand-of-bureaucracy/chapter/50.md) ### 51. Chris Matthews, Taxing the Rich and Nigel Farage (3:08:50–3:11:27) MSNBC's Chris Matthews is heard advocating for "putting teeth marks into the neck of the rich" through higher tax rates. In contrast, a clip of Nigel Farage in the European Parliament is played, where he denounces the "dead hand of bureaucracy" and the high salaries of EU officials. The hosts praise Farage's rhetorical style and his defense of national democracy and free markets. 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