# Flaming Groovies > A massive explosion in Indianapolis raises questions about drone strikes while the liquidation of Hostess Brands signals a sugar-coated end to an American corporate era. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 462 - **Published:** 2012-11-18 - **Length:** 2h 26m - **Topics:** [Drone Strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strike.md), Pillar of Cloud, Twinkie Shortage, THAAD Sale, [Fiscal Cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [Amateur Radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amateur-radio.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies ## About this episode Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak investigate a massive explosion in Indianapolis, suggesting the blast site at the home of Dion Longworth may have been a drone strike rather than a gas leak. The hosts cite restricted scene access and connections to defense contractors like Straylight Optical as evidence of a potential cover-up. Meanwhile, the escalation of Operation Pillar of Cloud in Gaza is analyzed as a strategic media war, with the hosts scrutinizing the timing of Israeli military actions against upcoming election cycles. Secondary reports cover the liquidation of Hostess Brands, resulting in 18,500 job losses following a strike by the Baker's Union. In Washington, theories emerge that Hillary Clinton intentionally sabotaged Susan Rice's bid for Secretary of State to eliminate a 2016 political rival. The U.S. government has notified the Federal Register of a $6.5 billion THAAD missile sale to Qatar, despite reports of counterfeit Chinese electronic components found in the thermal weapon sights. Additionally, the Eurozone officially enters a recession while Greek journalist Costas Vaxevanis faces a retrial for leaking the Lagarde List of tax evaders. Adam Curry celebrates passing his amateur radio General Class license exam and plans to pursue the Extra Class license to help make Morse code popular again. The show also highlights a blunt quote from Curry in Wired magazine regarding an iOS 6 podcast bug that caused massive data spikes for listeners. Between discussions of the fiscal cliff and the Jimmy Savile scandal, the hosts prepare for a live Thanksgiving broadcast while mocking the traditional American pilgrim narrative. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/transcript.md. ### 1. Amateur Radio General Class License, Adam Curry (0:00–9:07) Adam Curry announces he passed the amateur radio General Class license exam and plans to pursue the Extra Class license in December. The hosts discuss the culture of ham radio, including the volunteer examiners and the technical appeal of the hobby. Curry expresses interest in software-defined radio (SDR) and making Morse code popular again. Keywords: [amateur radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amateur-radio.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), general class license, volunteer examiners, [hams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hams.md), [morse code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morse-code.md), [echolink](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echolink.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Indianapolis Gas Explosion, Drone Strike Theory (9:08–17:43) The hosts investigate a massive explosion in Indianapolis, suggesting it may have been a drone strike rather than a gas leak. They cite reports of restricted scene access, two distinct blasts, and a mysterious noxious gas incident at Riley Children's Hospital. Connections are drawn between victim Dion Longworth and defense contractors like Straylight Optical and Surrey Satellite. Keywords: [indianapolis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indianapolis.md), [gas explosion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gas-explosion.md), [drone strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strike.md), [ntsb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ntsb.md), dion longworth, straylight optical, surrey satellite [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Israel-Gaza Conflict, Media Disinformation (17:44–22:13) The discussion focuses on the 2012 conflict between Israel and Gaza, characterized as a "Twitter war" filled with propaganda. Reports from Democracy Now and other outlets are scrutinized for claims regarding targeted kindergartens and civilian casualties. The hosts highlight a specific incident involving the Egyptian Prime Minister holding a child at Shifa Hospital. Keywords: [gaza strip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza-strip.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [hamas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamas.md), [disinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disinformation.md), shifa hospital, egyptian prime minister, [f-16](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/f-16.md), [airstrikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airstrikes.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/3.md) ### 4. CNN War Reporting, Media Sensationalism (22:13–28:19) The hosts critique sensationalist war reporting from CNN and ABC News during the Gaza conflict. They mock reporters for wearing helmets in safe zones and using dramatic scripts about incoming missiles without audible evidence. Specific criticism is directed at Diane Sawyer and Christiane Amanpour for perceived bias in their questioning regarding U.S. obligations to Israel. Keywords: [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [war reporting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-reporting.md), [gaza city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza-city.md), sarah seidner, [diane sawyer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diane-sawyer.md), [christianne amanpour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christianne-amanpour.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Operation Pillar of Cloud, Israeli Election Cycles (28:20–31:36) A correlation is presented between major Israeli military operations and upcoming election dates, suggesting military action is used to influence voters. The hosts review a timeline including Operation Pillar of Cloud, Cast Lead, and Grapes of Wrath. They also express skepticism regarding the effectiveness of the Iron Dome defense system. Keywords: operation pillar of cloud, [idf](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/idf.md), [iron dome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iron-dome.md), [israeli elections](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israeli-elections.md), operation cast lead, grapes of wrath [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Obama-Netanyahu Relations, ASEAN Clip (31:36–37:33) The hosts discuss the strained relationship between President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu following the 2012 U.S. election. A recurring "Clip of the Week" featuring a Cambodian official discussing ASEAN is introduced as a humorous explanation for complex global events. They also mock a Skype-based news debate interrupted by explosions in Gaza. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [benjamin netanyahu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-netanyahu.md), [mitt romney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitt-romney.md), [asean](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/asean.md), [cambodia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cambodia.md), [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Pallywood, Al Jazeera Reporting Tactics (37:34–41:55) The segment explores "Pallywood" phenomena where video footage from Gaza allegedly depicts staged injuries for the media. The hosts analyze an Al Jazeera report on the destruction of Hamas leadership offices and civilian homes. They question the logic of news reports claiming the same house was hit multiple times while remaining standing. Keywords: pallywood, [al jazeera](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-jazeera.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [hamas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamas.md), [ismail haniyeh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ismail-haniyeh.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Gaza Conflict Origins, Iranian Involvement Claims (41:56–45:02) The hosts debate the catalyst for the 2012 Gaza escalation, specifically a report of an Israeli helicopter shooting a teenager. They analyze statements from the Knesset blaming Iran for rocket fire and compare the timing of the conflict to U.S. "orange alerts" used during the Bush administration for political leverage. Keywords: [hamas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamas.md), [knesset](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knesset.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [50 caliber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/50-caliber.md), [electioneering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electioneering.md), orange alerts, [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Hostess Brands Liquidation, Twinkie Shortage (45:02–47:18) Hostess Brands announces it is going out of business and liquidating assets following a strike by the Baker's Union. The closure results in 18,500 job losses across the United States. The hosts joke about the cultural impact of losing Twinkies just as marijuana is being legalized in some states. Keywords: hostess brands, [twinkies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twinkies.md), baker's union, [bankruptcy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bankruptcy.md), [wonder bread](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wonder-bread.md), ho-hos [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/9.md) ### 10. No Agenda Donation Segment, Dame Astrid (47:18–50:38) The hosts thank donors and executive producers for supporting the show through the value-for-value model. Dame Astrid and iCoding Technology are highlighted for their contributions. The segment includes a discussion on "karma" and the use of candles in the bathtub, referencing a joke from a previous episode. Keywords: [dame astrid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dame-astrid.md), icoding technology, [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [chemtrails](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemtrails.md), [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Thanksgiving Show Planning, Holiday Traditions (50:38–54:46) The hosts discuss their decision to record a show on Thanksgiving Day despite the holiday. They mock the traditional American narrative of pilgrims and Indians, calling it a "cock-and-bull story." A tangent follows regarding the lack of Thanksgiving celebrations in Europe and the general ignorance of the public regarding the holiday's origins. Keywords: [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [pilgrims](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pilgrims.md), training centers, holiday flights [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Sponsor segment: No Agenda Merchandise, Super Karma Coins (54:48–57:53) The hosts promote No Agenda merchandise, including the 12-12-12 Super Karma Coin and a new Christmas novel by Scott McKenzie. They congratulate Dame Astrid and Sir Mark for a design award. The segment concludes with a discussion on the technical aspects of the show's jingles and microphone sensitivity. Keywords: karma coin, [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [scott mckenzie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-mckenzie.md), [kindle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kindle.md), shopping mall award, [jingles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jingles.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Formula One Austin, Aerosmith Performance (57:55–1:00:29) The hosts discuss the Formula One race held at the Circuit of the Americas in Austin, Texas. Adam Curry describes the atmosphere in the city and the presence of various corporate sponsors. They also comment on Aerosmith's performance at the track, leading to a brief debate about the band's age and relevance. Keywords: [formula one](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/formula-one.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [circuit of the americas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/circuit-of-the-americas.md), aerosmith, [green day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-day.md), qualifying [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton Sabotage Theory (1:00:30–1:06:14) The hosts theorize that Hillary Clinton intentionally sabotaged Susan Rice's chances of becoming Secretary of State by sending her to discuss Benghazi on talk shows. They suggest Clinton views Rice as a political rival for the 2016 election. A brief musical tangent features the band Flamin' Groovies. Keywords: [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [david petraeus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-petraeus.md), [secretary of state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secretary-of-state.md), flamin' groovies [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Benghazi Cover-up, The Economist Analysis (1:06:17–1:09:28) The discussion continues regarding the Benghazi investigation and the defense of Susan Rice by the House Democratic Caucus. The hosts criticize Eleanor Holmes Norton for injecting race and gender into the debate. They also mock an article in The Economist that dismissed the possibility of a cover-up. Keywords: [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [susan rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-rice.md), [eleanor holmes norton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eleanor-holmes-norton.md), [the economist](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-economist.md), [cover-up](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cover-up.md), [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/15.md) ### 16. General Mark Hertling Retirement, Military Coup Theory (1:09:29–1:13:49) Lieutenant General Mark Hertling's quiet retirement from the U.S. Army Europe is scrutinized as part of a larger trend of top brass departures. The hosts compare the current political climate to Watergate and the "Business Plot" against FDR. They reference General Smedley Butler's book "War is a Racket." Keywords: mark hertling, us army europe, [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [smedley butler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smedley-butler.md), [watergate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/watergate.md), [fdr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fdr.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Jane Harman, Senate Confirmation Hearings (1:13:50–1:16:44) Rumors circulate that Jane Harman may replace David Petraeus at the CIA. The hosts discuss Senator John McCain's threat to filibuster nominations and the relevance of Senate confirmation hearings. They suggest McCain acts as a "shill" to create controlled controversy for the administration. Keywords: [jane harman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jane-harman.md), [david petraeus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-petraeus.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [filibuster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/filibuster.md), woodrow wilson center, [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/17.md) ### 18. THAAD Missile Sale, Qatar Defense Contract (1:16:46–1:23:23) The U.S. government notifies the Federal Register of a $6.5 billion sale of Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) systems to Qatar. The hosts detail the involvement of contractors like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. They highlight past failures of the THAAD system and the high "other" costs associated with the deal. Keywords: [thaad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thaad.md), [qatar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/qatar.md), [lockheed martin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lockheed-martin.md), [raytheon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raytheon.md), [federal register](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/federal-register.md), [arms sales](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arms-sales.md), [patriot missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriot-missiles.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/18.md) ### 19. White House SoundCloud, Chinese Counterfeit Components (1:23:23–1:25:03) The White House launches an official presence on SoundCloud to share speeches and audio. In a separate news item, the hosts discuss the discovery of counterfeit electronic components from China in the thermal weapon sights of the THAAD missile system. Keywords: [soundcloud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soundcloud.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), counterfeit parts, [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [missile defense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/missile-defense.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Jordan Revolution, King Abdullah II (1:25:03–1:30:47) Protests erupt in Jordan over rising fuel prices and government corruption, with demonstrators calling for the fall of the regime. The hosts discuss King Abdullah II's lineage and the use of U.S.-supplied non-lethal weapons against protesters. A tangent explains the origin of the band name "Steely Dan" from a William S. Burroughs novel. Keywords: [jordan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jordan.md), [king abdullah ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/king-abdullah-ii.md), [amman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amman.md), [arab spring](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arab-spring.md), [fuel prices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fuel-prices.md), [steely dan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steely-dan.md), william s. burroughs [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Wired Magazine, iPhone Podcast Bug (1:30:48–1:33:55) Adam Curry is quoted in Wired magazine regarding a bug in iOS 6 that caused massive, expensive data spikes for podcast listeners. The article includes Curry's blunt criticism of Apple's "arrogant" refusal to address the issue. The hosts celebrate the inclusion of the quote in a Condé Nast publication. Keywords: [wired magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wired-magazine.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [ios 6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ios-6.md), podcast bug, [bandwidth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bandwidth.md), cocksuckers, traffic spike [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/21.md) ### 22. No Agenda Knighting, Listener Donations (1:33:55–1:42:38) The hosts conduct a lengthy donation segment, reading notes from listeners contributing $69.69 and other amounts. Topics include wolf hunting in Minnesota, Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged," and a listener's recovery from bladder cancer. They also play clips of Hillary Clinton and discuss the "Paul is Dead" conspiracy. Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), yeti knight, wolf hunting, [ayn rand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ayn-rand.md), [paul mccartney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-mccartney.md), [bladder cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bladder-cancer.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Financial Karma, Dutch Name Reading (1:42:41–1:48:25) A listener requests "financial karma" after his debit card was compromised by scammers. Adam Curry reads a donor's name in a Dutch accent per a special request. The segment concludes with a first birthday shout-out for Alexander Hoffmann, the grandson of a producer. Keywords: financial karma, debit card fraud, [dutch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dutch.md), alexander hoffmann, [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), carindale [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/23.md) ### 24. New Knights, Holiday Show Strategy (1:48:26–1:51:03) The hosts officially knight several donors who reached the $1,000 level, including Sir Dan, Sir Greg, Sir Papa, and Sir Alan. They debate the merits of producing "padded" or best-of shows during the Christmas and New Year's holidays versus recording live episodes. Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [round table](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/round-table.md), [christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christmas.md), new year's, padded shows, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/24.md) ### 25. Austin Startup Culture, Illegal Music Idea (1:51:04–1:53:34) Adam Curry discusses his experiences with the Austin startup and incubator scene, expressing frustration with "euro trash fever" and people seeking free consulting. He jokingly suggests reviving the "Daily Source Code" with illegal music to see if listeners would donate to support the risk. Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [startups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/startups.md), [incubators](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/incubators.md), [daily source code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daily-source-code.md), [music licensing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/music-licensing.md), [bob heil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bob-heil.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/25.md) ### 26. UK Twitter Libel, Pedophile Accusation Warnings (1:53:34–1:59:02) The BBC broadcasts a report warning UK citizens that retweeting accusations of pedophilia can lead to libel lawsuits. The hosts argue this is a coordinated effort to protect politicians in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal. They clarify the legal differences between libel and slander while mocking the "internet protocol" tracking threats. Keywords: [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [libel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libel.md), [slander](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slander.md), david lee travis, [jimmy savile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jimmy-savile.md), [internet protocol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-protocol.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Fiscal Cliff, Economic Recession Warnings (1:59:03–2:07:39) The hosts analyze the impending "fiscal cliff," involving the expiration of Bush-era tax cuts and the onset of sequestration. They play clips of Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson explaining the potential for a stock market crash and a return to recession. The segment explores how both political parties might view "going over the cliff" as a tactical advantage. Keywords: [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [bush tax cuts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bush-tax-cuts.md), [sequestration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sequestration.md), [erskine bowles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/erskine-bowles.md), alan simpson, [moody's](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moody-s.md), [recession](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recession.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/27.md) ### 28. Mortgage Interest Deduction, Nevada City Homeless Permits (2:07:39–2:11:14) Alan Simpson criticizes the home mortgage interest deduction, arguing it primarily benefits the wealthy and should be capped. In a separate story, Nevada City, California, implements a program to issue permits to homeless individuals, allowing them to sleep in public spaces. Keywords: mortgage deduction, [middle class](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/middle-class.md), alan simpson, nevada city, homeless permits, [licensing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/licensing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/28.md) ### 29. Bill Clinton, Advertising Conference Speech (2:11:15–2:17:26) Bill Clinton receives a $200,000 fee to speak at an advertising conference in the Netherlands. The hosts play clips of Clinton discussing "explanation as empowerment" and contrast his rhetoric with his historical denial of the Monica Lewinsky affair. They criticize the audience for applauding a "pathological liar." Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [monica lewinsky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monica-lewinsky.md), explanation, [empowerment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/empowerment.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/462-flaming-groovies/chapter/29.md) ### 30. Cybersecurity Act Failure, Presidential Policy Directive 20 (2:17:28–2:21:18) The Cybersecurity Act fails to pass the Senate again, leading to predictions of an upcoming executive order. The hosts argue the bill was primarily about protecting corporate copyrights rather than national security. They mention the existence of a classified Presidential Policy Directive (PPD-20) regarding cyber warfare. 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