# Punch a Puppy!

> From the Ritz Carlton to the ruins of Haiti, the world of the hyper-elite is unmasked through wine markups, pipeline sabotage, and the global khat trade.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 458
- **Published:** 2012-11-04
- **Length:** 2h 36m
- **Topics:** Khat trade, Pipeline wars, [Hurricane Sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md), Putin health, Saffron market, Fascism decree, [Gary Johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gary-johnson.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy

## About this episode

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak broadcast from San Francisco following a high-stakes charity gala for the Reconstructive Surgery Foundation. The event, attended by elite medical venture capitalists from firms like Kleiner Perkins, serves as a backdrop for a deep dive into the political leanings of the hyper-wealthy. Curry details his interactions with billionaire donors while exposing the massive wine markups at the Ritz Carlton Parallel 37, where rare bottles like the 1947 Cheval Blanc command five-figure prices.

The global landscape shifts as Hurricane Sandy's aftermath reveals a stark disparity between media narratives and reality. While NBC hosts benefit concerts featuring Bruce Springsteen, reports from Haiti indicate a rice price surge and a cholera outbreak following a controversial visit by Bill and Hillary Clinton to a South Korean-run garment factory. In the Balkans, Madeleine Albright faces war criminal accusations during a Prague book signing, while in Russia, Vladimir Putin struggles with health rumors following a suspicious back injury in Vladivostok. Meanwhile, the Afghan saffron market collapses as Iranian smugglers seize control of the trade, and new theories suggest U.S. drone strikes in Yemen are targeting the khat stimulant supply chain rather than terrorist cells.

Technical glitches and ham radio failures haunt the session as Curry battles a severe Texas mold allergy and an infected eye treated with chamomile tea. Between critiques of the British two-pound coin's resemblance to Osama bin Laden and John C. Dvorak's meta-prepper strategy of using silent electric vehicles to raid neighbors, the duo introduces the What's John Eating segment featuring a seasonal persimmon. The broadcast concludes with a stern warning about the sustainability of the No Agenda model and a look at Gary Johnson's unconventional stance on puppy punching.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak Open Show from San Francisco (0:00–1:28)

Adam Curry broadcasts from a hotel in San Francisco while dealing with an infected eye, which he treats with chamomile tea bags provided by his wife. John C. Dvorak joins from Northern Silicon Valley as they prepare for their Sunday morning session. The hosts exchange banter about the local environment and the physical ailments associated with traveling for charity events.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), chamomile tea, eye infection

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Reconstructive Surgery Foundation Charity Benefit and Medical Venture Capitalists (1:29–3:09)

Adam Curry describes hosting an annual charity benefit for a research foundation that sends plastic surgeons to treat burn victims and children with cleft palates in developing countries. The event is attended by high-level medical venture capitalists and investors from firms like Kleiner Perkins. The discussion highlights the immense wealth within the medical finance community compared to traditional tech sectors.

Keywords: research foundation, reconstructive surgery, venture capitalists, [kleiner perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kleiner-perkins.md), [genentech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/genentech.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Political Leanings of the Ultra-Wealthy and Social Status Quo (3:09–5:18)

The hosts analyze the political affiliations of the hyper-rich, noting that many billionaires like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates identify as Democrats. They argue that the elite prefer the Democratic Party because it maintains the social status quo and prevents class mobility that might disrupt their positions. The conversation suggests that modern Republicans have moved toward big government, making them less distinct from their counterparts.

Keywords: [democrats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democrats.md), [republicans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/republicans.md), [warren buffet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/warren-buffet.md), [bill gates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-gates.md), [social classes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-classes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Interaction with Venture Capitalist Wives and Celebrity Status (5:19–6:53)

Adam Curry recounts his experience interacting with the wives of venture capitalists at the charity gala, noting that his "celebrity" status from his MTV days still resonates with that demographic. He jokes about his ability to solicit large donations based on his recognizable persona and hair. The hosts discuss the boundary between their public podcasting personas and their roles within elite social circles.

Keywords: venture capitalists, celebrity class, [richard stallman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-stallman.md), [fundraising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fundraising.md), [hair](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hair.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Ritz Carlton San Francisco and Parallel 37 Restaurant Review (6:53–9:08)

The hosts review their dining experience at Parallel 37, the restaurant inside the Ritz Carlton San Francisco. They critique the hotel's transition under Marriott ownership, noting a shift toward a "W Hotel" aesthetic to compete with the Four Seasons. While the tasting menu was considered decent, they express disappointment in the lack of a professional sommelier.

Keywords: [ritz carlton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ritz-carlton.md), parallel 37, [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [marriott](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marriott.md), tasting menu

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Wine List Markups and 1947 Cheval Blanc Pricing (9:11–13:35)

A detailed critique of the wine list at Parallel 37 reveals extreme markups, with the hosts claiming prices are four times the retail value. They highlight the presence of rare bottles like a 1947 Cheval Blanc and a 1945 Petrus priced at $16,000 each. The segment concludes with a discussion of the 2009 Far Niente Cabernet Sauvignon they eventually consumed.

Keywords: cheval blanc, petrus, wine markup, far ninte, [sommelier](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sommelier.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Silver Exchange and Ham Radio Technical Difficulties (13:35–15:28)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discuss a physical meeting where they exchanged silver pieces, including a KGB challenge coin and a Liberty Dollar. Adam expresses frustration that his portable ham radio failed to pick up any signals from John's vehicle during his drive into San Francisco. John explains he opted not to drive his electric car due to bridge traffic and toll issues.

Keywords: [challenge coins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/challenge-coins.md), liberty dollar, [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md), [silver](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silver.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Adam Curry Job Interview and Podcast Economics (15:30–16:50)

Adam Curry reveals he recently attended his first traditional job interview in an attempt to find a more stable income source, as radio and podcasting fees are currently insufficient. He humorously ranks the profession of "podcaster" below "rodeo clown" in terms of financial viability. The segment is interrupted by technical audio delays requiring a reconnection.

Keywords: [job interview](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-interview.md), [radio industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radio-industry.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [income](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/income.md), rodeo clown

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Environmental Allergies and Texas Mold Alerts (16:51–18:34)

The hosts discuss Adam's ongoing health issues, which John attributes to the psychological stress of moving to a new environment like Texas. Adam clarifies that he is suffering from a severe mold allergy triggered by high local alerts. He describes the difficulty of managing the condition with medication while adjusting to the different allergens found in the Austin area.

Keywords: [allergies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/allergies.md), [mold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mold.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), ragweed, cedar

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Executive Producer Donations and Parliamentary Grumble Karma (18:35–21:54)

The hosts acknowledge significant donations from executive producers, including Vicky Poole from Memphis and Daniel Mack from Minneapolis. They perform various "karma" sound triggers, such as the Atlas Shrugged and Italian Girl clips, in exchange for the financial support. Daniel Mack specifically requests a "de-douching" and joins the "4-5-8 club" based on the episode number.

Keywords: vicky poole, ronald dreslinski jr, daniel mack, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/10.md)

### 11. No Agenda Art and Formula Propagation (21:55–24:16)

Adam and John encourage listeners to support the show through the website and to propagate the "No Agenda formula" to new listeners. They credit Daniel McDonald for the episode artwork and mention the No Agenda Art Generator. The hosts also acknowledge the "human resources" in the live chat room and the global audience following the show.

Keywords: [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [producers guild](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers-guild.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [chat room](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chat-room.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Fossil Fuel Appreciation Day and Daylight Savings Scam (24:16–26:42)

The hosts label the end of Daylight Savings Time as "Fossil Fuel Appreciation Day," arguing that the time change actually increases energy consumption by 1-2%. They debunk the myth that the practice was created for farmers, instead suggesting it is an oil-based scheme to force more heating and lighting use. Historical references to the Uniform Time Act of 1966 are mentioned.

Keywords: [daylight savings time](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daylight-savings-time.md), [fossil fuels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fossil-fuels.md), [energy consumption](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-consumption.md), [benjamin franklin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-franklin.md), [1966](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1966.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Taylor Swift Financial Strategy and Used Goods Press Release (26:43–32:02)

A press release from GoBankingRates regarding Taylor Swift's "money management wins" is analyzed and ridiculed. The hosts discuss her father's background at Merrill Lynch and criticize the advice listed, such as buying "used" antiques and starting a college fund despite her $165 million net worth. They mock the marketing strategy of selling albums at Walgreens and Papa John's.

Keywords: [taylor swift](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taylor-swift.md), [merrill lynch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merrill-lynch.md), gobankingrates, [antiques](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antiques.md), college fund

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Hurricane Sandy Impact on Haiti and Rising Rice Prices (32:02–34:58)

While US media focused on New York and New Jersey, Hurricane Sandy caused over 50 deaths and massive crop destruction in Haiti. The hosts report that rice prices in southern Haiti skyrocketed from $2.50 to $4.00 per cup following the storm. They highlight the ongoing cholera outbreak and the dire conditions for those still living in tents since the 2010 earthquake.

Keywords: [hurricane sandy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hurricane-sandy.md), [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [cholera](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cholera.md), rice prices, [port-au-prince](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/port-au-prince.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Bill and Hillary Clinton Haiti Visit and South Korean Garment Factory (34:59–39:02)

The Clintons visited Haiti one week before Hurricane Sandy to open a $300 million South Korean-run garment factory in the north. Adam Curry criticizes the project as a form of modern enslavement and plays clips of a seemingly "sloshed" Bill Clinton speaking at the event. The hosts argue that international aid money is being mismanaged while the southern part of the country starves.

Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [south korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-korea.md), garment center

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/15.md)

### 16. NBC Hurricane Sandy Benefit Concert and Jersey Strong Meme (39:04–41:23)

The hosts critique the NBC benefit concert for Hurricane Sandy victims, featuring Bruce Springsteen and Jon Stewart. They mock the "Jersey Strong" slogan as a derivative of Lance Armstrong's "LiveStrong" campaign. Adam expresses skepticism about the Red Cross's fundraising tactics and the "jammed lines" reported during the telethon.

Keywords: [nbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc.md), [bruce springsteen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruce-springsteen.md), [jon stewart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jon-stewart.md), [red cross](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-cross.md), jersey strong

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Red Cross Absence in Staten Island and Political Theater (41:24–43:12)

Staten Island officials and residents criticized the American Red Cross for being absent during the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. The hosts discuss the "forgotten borough" status of Staten Island and mock visits from politicians like Chuck Schumer and Janet Napolitano. They also ridicule Anderson Cooper's claim of having deep family roots in the borough.

Keywords: [staten island](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/staten-island.md), [red cross](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-cross.md), [chuck schumer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chuck-schumer.md), [janet napolitano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-napolitano.md), [anderson cooper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anderson-cooper.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/17.md)

### 18. National Guard Gas Station Security and Looting Reports (43:12–45:34)

Reports from residents in New Jersey suggest that the National Guard is using M16s to guard gas stations, a detail largely omitted from mainstream news coverage. Adam Curry shares anecdotes about widespread looting along the Jersey Shore that is being ignored in favor of patriotic human-interest stories. The segment highlights the disparity between televised reports and the reality on the ground.

Keywords: [national guard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-guard.md), gasoline rationing, [looting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/looting.md), [jersey shore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jersey-shore.md), [m16](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/m16.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/18.md)

### 19. President Obama FEMA Response and Heroism Narratives (45:35–49:52)

President Obama's weekly address regarding Hurricane Sandy is analyzed, specifically his instruction for citizens to call FEMA rather than help neighbors directly. The hosts critique the "produced" stories of heroism, such as the evacuation of newborns at NYU and Coast Guard rescues. They argue that these narratives mask the fact that many elderly residents in Manhattan remained without food or assistance for days.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [fema](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fema.md), [red cross](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-cross.md), nyu medical center, [coast guard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/coast-guard.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Gasoline Rationing and 1970s Energy Crisis Fractals (49:53–52:45)

The implementation of odd-even gasoline rationing in New Jersey is compared to the energy crisis of the 1970s. Adam Curry recalls "auto-free Sundays" in the Netherlands as a similar historical measure. The hosts suggest that the current infrastructure failures and government responses are repeating cycles from forty years ago.

Keywords: gasoline rationing, [new jersey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-jersey.md), [energy crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-crisis.md), odd-even days, [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Fake Dumpster Diving News and Media Manipulation (52:46–55:32)

Adam Curry critiques an NBC news report showing people "dumpster diving" for food in Manhattan, labeling it as staged or "fake" news designed to provide a false sense of balance. He argues that the media is suppressing real stories of looting and starvation while promoting the Red Cross. The hosts express frustration with the "text $10" culture of slacktivism.

Keywords: [nbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-news.md), [dumpster diving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dumpster-diving.md), [manhattan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manhattan.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md), [red cross](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-cross.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Hillary Clinton Croatia Visit and Natural Gas Pipeline Wars (55:33–59:56)

Hillary Clinton's visit to Croatia is linked to the competition between the Russian South Stream pipeline and the Western-backed Nabucco pipeline. The hosts explain that Russia bypassed Croatia in favor of Hungary for the South Stream route due to political stalling. Clinton is accused of "cock-blocking" Russian energy interests by promoting Liquid Natural Gas (LNG) terminals in the Adriatic.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [croatia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/croatia.md), [gazprom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gazprom.md), [nabucco pipeline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nabucco-pipeline.md), [south stream](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-stream.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Telegraph Industry History and Modern Infrastructure Sabotage (59:59–1:01:30)

John C. Dvorak draws a historical parallel between modern pipeline competition and the "telegraph wars" of the 1860s. He describes how companies like Western Union would send goons to cut down competitors' poles. This historical context is used to emphasize the importance of independent communication methods like ham radio in the face of corporate sabotage.

Keywords: [telegraph](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telegraph.md), [western union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/western-union.md), [civil war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-war.md), [infrastructure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/infrastructure.md), [ham radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ham-radio.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Madeleine Albright Confrontation and Serbian War Criminal Accusations (1:01:30–1:05:38)

During a book signing in Prague, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was confronted by Serbian activists calling her a war criminal for her role in the 1990s bombings. Audio from the event captures Albright shouting "disgusting Serbs, get out!" at the protesters. The hosts discuss the long-standing animosity toward the Clinton administration's foreign policy in the Balkan region.

Keywords: [madeleine albright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/madeleine-albright.md), [prague](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prague.md), [serbia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/serbia.md), [war crimes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-crimes.md), book signing

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Vladimir Putin Health Rumors and Siberian Crane Stunt (1:05:39–1:08:36)

Speculation regarding Vladimir Putin's health intensified after he appeared to limp during the Asia-Pacific conference in Vladivostok. While the Kremlin attributed his absence to a minor back strain from a hang-gliding stunt with Siberian cranes, rumors suggest a more serious injury. The hosts analyze the importance of the "alpha male" image to Putin's political reputation.

Keywords: [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [moscow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moscow.md), siberian cranes, back injury, [al jazeera](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-jazeera.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Putin Assassination Attempt Rumors and Russian Mob Influence (1:08:45–1:11:49)

The hosts discuss a tip from a Russian source claiming that Putin's back pain is a cover-up for an assassination attempt involving a bomb blast on a road near Vladivostok. They explore theories ranging from drug addiction to being under the control of the Russian mob or "MK-Ultra" style subdual. The conversation notes the extreme secrecy surrounding the private lives of Russian leaders.

Keywords: [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [assassination attempt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assassination-attempt.md), [vladivostok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladivostok.md), [russian mob](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-mob.md), mk-ultra

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Putin PR Strategy and Red Book Predictions (1:11:50–1:15:54)

John C. Dvorak makes a "Red Book prediction" that Putin will soon perform a highly visible, manly stunt to prove his physical fitness, such as a parachute jump or big-game hunting. They discuss how his previous PR stunts, like fishing, were allegedly staged with divers. The hosts conclude that something is definitely wrong with the Russian leader despite official denials.

Keywords: [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [pr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pr.md), red book prediction, [hunting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hunting.md), back brace

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Afghanistan Saffron Price Collapse and Iranian Market Control (1:15:55–1:18:38)

Saffron farmers in Afghanistan's Herat province are facing a price collapse, with kilos dropping from $5,000 to $1,000. The hosts report that much of the Afghan crop is smuggled into Iran and repackaged as Iranian saffron. They discuss the culinary uses of the spice and the Afghan government's failure to market their high-quality product independently of the opium trade.

Keywords: [saffron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saffron.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), pashtun zargun, spice trade

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Syria Ambassador Death and Middle East Political Watchdogs (1:18:39–1:21:01)

Adam Curry shares an anecdote from a contact regarding the death of the US Ambassador in Libya, claiming the situation was ordered from the United States and went wrong when the official suffocated. The hosts discuss how people in the Middle East are much more politically engaged and informed about tribal dynamics than the average American.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [tunisia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tunisia.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [middle east](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/middle-east.md), [politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/politics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Yemen Khat Trade and Drone Strike Rationale (1:21:01–1:24:29)

A new theory is proposed suggesting that US drone strikes in Yemen are related to controlling the "khat" (Qat) drug trade rather than just counter-terrorism. Khat is a mild stimulant leaf chewed extensively in the region. Adam Curry's source claims the trade is massive in San Francisco and that the US is targeting specific tribes to monopolize or disrupt the drug routes.

Keywords: [khat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/khat.md), [yemen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yemen.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [stimulants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stimulants.md), [drug trade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drug-trade.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Drug Scheduling and Khat Classification in the US (1:24:30–1:27:41)

The hosts examine the US government's drug scheduling system, noting that Khat is classified as a Schedule 1 substance, the same as heroin and marijuana. They criticize the logic of the scheduling, pointing out that highly addictive pharmaceuticals like OxyContin are in lower categories. The discussion highlights the legal status of Khat in other countries like Israel and Ethiopia.

Keywords: [khat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/khat.md), [schedule 1](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schedule-1.md), [dea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dea.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [heroin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heroin.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Khat Consumption Methods and Global Legal Status (1:27:41–1:31:51)

The physiological effects of Khat, caused by the alkaloid cathinone, include euphoria and appetite suppression. The hosts discuss how the leaves are chewed or consumed as tea, often within Somali immigrant communities in Europe and North America. They compare it to other regional stimulants like betel nut used in Southeast Asia.

Keywords: [khat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/khat.md), cathinone, [somalia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/somalia.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [euphoria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/euphoria.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Investigating the Khat Market in San Francisco and Austin (1:31:52–1:35:51)

Adam Curry expresses interest in finding Khat in Austin to test its effects, while John C. Dvorak suggests it is likely hidden in plain sight in Middle Eastern or Somali markets in San Francisco. They conclude that the mainstream media has ignored the "Khat connection" to Yemeni politics for years. The hosts vow to follow up on the prevalence of the drug in the US.

Keywords: [khat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/khat.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [somali community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/somali-community.md), [drug enforcement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drug-enforcement.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Argo Movie Connection to Benghazi and HPV Vaccine Scams (1:35:52–1:38:08)

A listener donation prompts a discussion about the movie "Argo" being used as a propaganda tool released shortly after the Benghazi events. The hosts also touch upon the "Gardasil" HPV vaccine, labeling it a scam pushed by Merck. They argue that medical providers use false positives from defective scanning machines to pressure parents into vaccinating children.

Keywords: [argo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/argo.md), [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [gardasil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gardasil.md), [hpv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hpv.md), [merck](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merck.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Meta-Prepper Strategy and Electric Vehicle Stealth (1:38:10–1:41:57)

John C. Dvorak explains his "meta-prepper" strategy, which involves keeping a list of local preppers so he can seize their supplies during a collapse. He notes that his electric vehicle allows him to approach their locations silently. The hosts also acknowledge a donation from a "cellist friend" in Spring, Texas, and discuss the concept of "science karma."

Keywords: [preppers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/preppers.md), [electric vehicles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-vehicles.md), [stealth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stealth.md), [survivalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/survivalism.md), spring texas

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Election Fraud Theories and Absentee Ballot Scams (1:41:59–1:45:21)

The hosts discuss reports from a "White House Insider" regarding how elections are allegedly stolen through double-voting with absentee ballots. They suggest that both the Democratic and Republican parties engage in these tactics to sway results in key districts. The conversation reflects a general distrust in the integrity of the upcoming 2012 presidential election.

Keywords: [election fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/election-fraud.md), [absentee ballots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/absentee-ballots.md), [mitt romney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitt-romney.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [white house insider](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house-insider.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Listener Birthdays and Helicopter Rescue in Northern Ontario (1:45:22–1:49:26)

A donor from Cambridge, Ontario, shares a story about being stranded at a frozen lake and needing a helicopter rescue after a float plane pilot abandoned him. The hosts provide "travel karma" and mock the pilot. They also acknowledge several listener birthdays and discuss John Dvorak's son's success in publishing detective stories on Kindle.

Keywords: [ontario](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ontario.md), [helicopter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/helicopter.md), [travel karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel-karma.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [kindle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kindle.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Gitmo Nation National Anthem and Meta-Prepper Humor (1:49:28–1:52:48)

The hosts play the "Gitmo Nation National Anthem" for the audience and acknowledge a donation from a couple in Boston who recently became "house poor." The donor praises Dvorak's "meta-prepper" jokes as the funniest moment of his career. Adam Curry reiterates the tactical advantage of using an electric vehicle for survivalist scenarios.

Keywords: [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [national anthem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-anthem.md), meta-prepper, [boston](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boston.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Podcast Value Proposition and Funding Frustrations (1:52:50–1:55:55)

Adam Curry delivers a stern message to the audience regarding the low level of donations, comparing the cost of the show to parking fees or movie tickets. He warns that if financial support does not improve, the hosts may have to stop producing the program. He expresses frustration with PayPal's subscription management and the "mediocre" response to recent high-quality content.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), [subscriptions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subscriptions.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/39.md)

### 40. No Agenda Moonshine Branding and Celebrity Moonshine (1:55:57–1:59:29)

The hosts discuss a new potential revenue stream: "No Agenda Moonshine." Adam Curry shares branding ideas developed with Sir Jeff Smith, including the name "Celebrity Moonshine" (pronounced "Celebretty"). They debate the legal aspects of selling alcohol and whether the "hick" branding will appeal to their audience.

Keywords: [moonshine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moonshine.md), [branding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/branding.md), [celebrity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/celebrity.md), [jeff smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff-smith.md), [revenue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/revenue.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/40.md)

### 41. What's John Eating Segment and Persimmon Season (1:59:30–2:02:45)

A new segment titled "What's John Eating?" is introduced, where John Dvorak eats a food item and Adam Curry must guess what it is. Adam correctly identifies a persimmon on the first try, explaining that he saw them in abundance at a San Francisco market recently. The hosts decide to keep the segment despite the audio quality challenges of the Mumble system.

Keywords: [persimmons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/persimmons.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [food](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/food.md), guessing game, [mumble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mumble.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/41.md)

### 42. British Two Pound Coin and Osama Bin Laden Likeness (2:02:45–2:05:02)

A new commemorative two-pound coin in the UK featuring Charles Dickens is criticized because many people believe the profile looks like Osama bin Laden. John Dvorak argues that introducing higher-denomination coins is a tactic to facilitate inflation and cheapen the currency. The hosts view the coin's design as a potential subliminal message.

Keywords: two pound coin, charles dickens, [osama bin laden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osama-bin-laden.md), [england](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/england.md), [currency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/currency.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Media Racial Tension and Subliminal Mind Control (2:05:03–2:07:54)

The hosts analyze a New York Times headline and clips from Bill O'Reilly and Bill Maher, arguing that the media is intentionally stoking racial tension before the election. They point to O'Reilly's comments on "African-American grievance" and Maher's warning that "black people will come after" Romney voters as examples of divisive psychological programming.

Keywords: [new york times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-times.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [bill o'reilly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-o-reilly.md), [bill maher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-maher.md), [racial tension](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racial-tension.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Obama Champion Meme and Campaign Messaging (2:07:59–2:10:31)

A new campaign meme featuring President Obama as a "champion" for various groups is identified in recent speeches in Iowa and New Hampshire. The hosts argue that this messaging is a late-stage attempt to create a positive association with the President. They question why such a specific rhetorical shift is occurring just days before the election.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), champion, [iowa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iowa.md), [campaign](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/campaign.md), [memes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Sugarland Everyday America Lyrics and Psychological Warfare (2:10:31–2:14:32)

A listener reports that the song "Everyday America" by Sugarland was played at an Obama rally in Dubuque, Iowa. The hosts analyze the lyrics, which mention "living in a great big lie," and suggest it is a subliminal message about the state of the country. They view the choice of music as part of a broader psychological warfare campaign against the electorate.

Keywords: sugarland, everyday america, [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [dubuque](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dubuque.md), [psychological warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychological-warfare.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Ralph Nader on Corporate Welfare and Fascism (2:14:32–2:16:14)

Ralph Nader is featured in a clip discussing "corporate welfare" and the collusion between giant corporations and the government. He argues that both parties support subsidies and bailouts that undermine market discipline. The hosts equate this "corporatism" with the classic definition of fascism, where the state and corporate interests become indistinguishable.

Keywords: [ralph nader](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ralph-nader.md), [corporate welfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporate-welfare.md), [crony capitalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crony-capitalism.md), [fascism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fascism.md), [corporatism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corporatism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Executive Order on Local Partnerships and Homeland Security (2:16:14–2:18:44)

The hosts analyze a recent executive order regarding "local partnerships" for homeland security, which mandates collaboration between federal agencies and the private sector. They list the numerous departments involved, including the Treasury, Defense, and the FBI. Adam Curry argues this is a formalization of fascism by executive decree, allowing the government to use corporate resources for domestic spying.

Keywords: [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md), [fascism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fascism.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [private sector](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/private-sector.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Economic Collapse Predictions and 1893 Cycle Comparison (2:18:45–2:22:38)

John Dvorak predicts an economic collapse in March 2013, drawing parallels to the panic of 1893. He suggests that the "fiscal cliff" and a lack of cooperation in Washington will trigger a major downturn following Obama's re-election. Adam Curry expresses concern about his own financial stability in Texas if these predictions come true.

Keywords: [economic collapse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-collapse.md), 1893, [fiscal cliff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-cliff.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [cycles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cycles.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Gary Johnson on Marijuana Legalization and Puppy Punching (2:22:39–2:26:19)

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson's stance on legalizing marijuana is discussed, with Johnson arguing that 90% of drug problems are related to prohibition. The hosts contrast this with a news story about a man punching a puppy while intoxicated on alcohol, noting that such behavior is rarely associated with marijuana use. They suggest Johnson should adopt a more aggressive messaging style.

Keywords: [gary johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gary-johnson.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [colorado](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colorado.md), [prohibition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prohibition.md), animal abuse

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Show Outro and Dog Cow Favicon History (2:26:21–2:31:49)

The hosts conclude the show with a discussion of the "Dog Cow" favicon on Adam's website, a reference to early Macintosh lore. Adam prepares to fly out of San Francisco on JetBlue, while John remains in Silicon Valley. They remind listeners to support the show and sign off with their traditional "Adios Mofo" catchphrase.

Keywords: dog cow, [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [jetblue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jetblue.md), [adios mofo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adios-mofo.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Ralph Nader and Gary Johnson End-of-Show Mashup (2:31:50–2:36:05)

The episode ends with a series of clips from Ralph Nader and Gary Johnson. Nader calls for a reduction in the $800 billion military budget and criticizes the power of Congress. Johnson encourages voters to "vote libertarian just this one time" to escape the current "tyranny." The segment highlights the marginalization of third parties in the US political system.

Keywords: [ralph nader](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ralph-nader.md), [gary johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gary-johnson.md), [military budget](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-budget.md), [congress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congress.md), [gerrymandering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gerrymandering.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/458-punch-a-puppy/chapter/51.md)

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