# The Convincables

> Diplomatic tensions rise as the State Department funds Pakistani media campaigns while domestic officials push for expanded biometric surveillance and new cybersecurity executive orders.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 446
- **Published:** 2012-09-23
- **Length:** 2h 45m
- **Topics:** [Benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [TSA](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [Hillary Clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), Debt Jubilee, [Cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md), [Pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), iOS 5
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables

## About this episode

The U.S. State Department spent $70,000 on Urdu-language television advertisements in Pakistan to distance the Obama administration from the Innocence of Muslims video. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and spokesperson Victoria Nuland face scrutiny over the effectiveness of these PSAs as violent protests continue in Peshawar. Investigations into the film's production now link the project to Stanley Inc., a government contractor previously involved in unauthorized access to passport records.

Senator Joe Lieberman and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano testified before a Senate hearing regarding the rise of homegrown terrorism and the implementation of a layered aviation security approach. While Napolitano pushed for expanded passenger biometrics, Lieberman identified the Fort Hood and Little Rock recruiting station attacks as the primary justifications for increased surveillance. Meanwhile, the FBI has begun interviewing survivors of the Benghazi consulate attack at a military base in Germany, fueling theories that Ambassador Chris Stevens was involved in a covert weapons recovery mission to retrieve MANPADS from Libyan rebels.

Technical glitches in Apple iOS 5 have caused podcast downloads to spike tenfold, forcing a transition to independent hosting infrastructure to protect listener data plans. The hosts also perform a knighting ceremony for top donors Patrick Wilson and Joe Collins while debating the merits of a biblical Debt Jubilee as a 2012 election strategy. Richard Stallman concludes the program with a critique of global internet censorship and the criminalization of non-commercial file sharing.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/transcript.md.

### 1. Chicago Travel Anecdotes and TSA Security Bypasses (0:00–4:24)

The hosts recount a recent trip to Chicago for a conference, highlighting a successful attempt to bypass standard TSA lines using a "priority" status bluff. They discuss the psychological effect of appearing authoritative with props like clipboards, hard hats, or reconstructed security badges. The conversation transitions from personal travel stories to the broader culture of airport security.

Keywords: [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md), [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [priority line](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/priority-line.md), [airport security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airport-security.md), clipboard, hard hat

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Janet Napolitano and TSA Layered Security Initiatives (4:24–12:53)

Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano testifies before a Senate hearing led by Joe Lieberman regarding new TSA initiatives. Napolitano describes a "layered approach" to aviation security, involving intelligence sharing and new technology at airport gates. The discussion critiques her mention of "risk-based" security and the push for passenger biometrics to reduce wait times.

Keywords: [janet napolitano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-napolitano.md), [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md), [biometrics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/biometrics.md), [joe lieberman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-lieberman.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Joe Lieberman and Homegrown Terrorism Threats (12:54–17:37)

Senator Joe Lieberman praises the FBI and Department of Homeland Security for their work since 9/11, specifically citing the leadership of Bob Mueller. Lieberman identifies homegrown terrorism, such as the Fort Hood shooting and the Little Rock recruiting station attack, as the most significant current threats to the U.S. homeland. The hosts question the lack of evidence for the assertion that these agencies have made the public significantly safer.

Keywords: [joe lieberman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-lieberman.md), [bob mueller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bob-mueller.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [fort hood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fort-hood.md), [homegrown terrorism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homegrown-terrorism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/3.md)

### 4. iOS 5 Podcast Download Bug and Infrastructure Changes (17:37–19:28)

A technical issue within Apple's iOS 5 and iTunes is identified where podcasts are reportedly downloading ten times, potentially exhausting user data plans. The show has transitioned its MP3 hosting to producer-run infrastructure to better monitor these anomalies. This glitch results in a 100MB show consuming a full gigabyte of data for mobile users.

Keywords: ios 5, [itunes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/itunes.md), podcast downloads, [data caps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-caps.md), [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Debt Jubilee Proposal and 2012 Election Strategy (19:29–24:23)

A producer's donation sparks a discussion on the biblical concept of a "Debt Jubilee" from the Book of Leviticus, which suggests forgiving debts every 50 years. The hosts speculate that Mitt Romney could win the 2012 election by promising a debt jubilee instead of further quantitative easing for banks. They contrast this with their own support for third-party candidate Gary Johnson.

Keywords: debt jubilee, leviticus, [mitt romney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitt-romney.md), [quantitative easing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/quantitative-easing.md), [gary johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gary-johnson.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Austin Scooter Rally and Travel Plans (24:24–27:45)

A donor from Minnesota mentions an upcoming trip to Austin for the fourth annual scooter rally, which is open to all classic scooters like Vespas and Piaggios. The hosts discuss the local culture of Austin and confirm their own upcoming travel plans to Los Angeles.

Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), scooter rally, piaggio, [vespa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vespa.md), [travel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/6.md)

### 7. PayPal Subscription Cancellations and Listener Retention (27:45–32:07)

The hosts address reports of PayPal automatically cancelling listener subscriptions without authorization from the show or the users. They express frustration over the loss of recurring donors and the difficulty of navigating PayPal's interface to rectify these errors. A joke is made about deleting old episodes to encourage timely donations and engagement.

Keywords: [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), [subscriptions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subscriptions.md), [listener donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/listener-donations.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Nuclear Facility Security and Activist Terminology (32:07–33:38)

Congressman Mike Turner proposes legislation to move security oversight of nuclear weapons facilities from the Department of Energy to the Pentagon. This follows a security breach at a Tennessee facility involving an 82-year-old nun and other anti-war protesters. The hosts note the increasing use of the term "activist" as a pejorative in mainstream media reporting.

Keywords: [nuclear security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-security.md), [mike turner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-turner.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [activists](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/activists.md), [shepard smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shepard-smith.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Pakistan Protests and US State Department Ads (33:38–36:54)

Violent protests erupt in Peshawar, Pakistan, leading to the burning of movie theaters in response to an online video mocking the Prophet Muhammad. The U.S. State Department spends $70,000 on Urdu-language television advertisements to distance the government from the film. The hosts argue that the true source of Pakistani anger is ongoing U.S. drone strikes rather than the video itself.

Keywords: [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), peshawar, [prophet muhammad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prophet-muhammad.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Victoria Nuland and State Department Social Media Metrics (36:54–41:00)

State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is questioned by reporter Matt Lee regarding the negative feedback on the department's Facebook ads in Pakistan. Nuland struggles to provide specific engagement metrics, eventually claiming that a "silent majority" supports the U.S. despite overwhelmingly negative public comments. The hosts praise the reporter for challenging the government's spin on the effectiveness of the PSA campaign.

Keywords: [victoria nuland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria-nuland.md), [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [metrics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metrics.md), [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Hillary Clinton and Hina Rabbani Khar Energy Deal (41:00–49:04)

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton meets with Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar to discuss bilateral relations and the conflict in Afghanistan. Khar thanks the U.S. for assistance in adding hundreds of megawatts to the Pakistani power grid, a deal involving electricity transfers from India. The hosts analyze the diplomatic language used to describe regional stability and the TAPI pipeline.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), hina rabbani khar, [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [energy sector](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/energy-sector.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Innocence of Muslims Video and Stanley Inc. Investigation (49:06–54:39)

An investigation by a YouTube user named Montagraph links the "Innocence of Muslims" video to a company called Stanley Inc., a government contractor acquired by CGI Group. Stanley Inc. was previously involved in a controversy regarding the unauthorized access of Barack Obama's passport records. The hosts suggest the video's shifting titles and distribution patterns indicate a psychological operation by intelligence contractors.

Keywords: [innocence of muslims](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/innocence-of-muslims.md), [youtube](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube.md), stanley inc, cgi group, passport records

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Benghazi Consulate Attack and Weapons Recovery Theory (54:40–1:01:18)

The FBI begins interviewing 30 American survivors of the Benghazi consulate attack at a military base in Germany. The hosts discuss a theory that Ambassador Chris Stevens was involved in a weapons recovery mission to retrieve MANPADS and other arms previously supplied to Libyan rebels. They question the legitimacy of the group Ansar al-Sharia, suggesting it may be a front for intelligence operations.

Keywords: [benghazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benghazi.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [chris stevens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-stevens.md), [ansar al-sharia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ansar-al-sharia.md), [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Saturday Night Live and Media Bias in Election Coverage (1:01:18–1:07:15)

The hosts criticize a Saturday Night Live sketch parodying Fox & Friends and Mitt Romney's "47 percent" comments, arguing that the show is inciting racial hatred. They compare the perceived biases of Fox News and MSNBC, suggesting that mainstream media is actively pandering to specific voter blocks. A discussion follows regarding a CBS focus group that showed strong white voter support for Obama.

Keywords: [saturday night live](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saturday-night-live.md), [fox and friends](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-and-friends.md), [mitt romney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitt-romney.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [racial politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racial-politics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Peter Schiff at the Democratic National Convention (1:07:16–1:10:14)

Peter Schiff conducts interviews at the Democratic National Convention, asking attendees if they support banning or capping corporate profits. The footage shows many participants agreeing that profit limits would lead to higher wages and lower prices. The hosts discuss the prevalence of anti-corporate sentiment and the lack of a positive economic message from the Republican party.

Keywords: [peter schiff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-schiff.md), [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), corporate profits, [wages](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wages.md), [capitalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/capitalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Houston Police Shooting of Double Amputee (1:10:15–1:12:29)

Houston police officers shoot and kill a double amputee in a wheelchair at a group home after he allegedly threatened them with a metal object that turned out to be a pen. The victim had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. The hosts use the incident to highlight the escalation of force by domestic law enforcement.

Keywords: houston police, double amputee, [schizophrenia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schizophrenia.md), [police brutality](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police-brutality.md), pen

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Cindy Lee Garcia Legal Challenge Against YouTube (1:12:29–1:15:48)

Actress Cindy Lee Garcia loses a legal bid to have the "Innocence of Muslims" trailer removed from YouTube. An LA court judge ruled against her because she could not produce a written agreement with the filmmakers. The hosts discuss the legal precedent of takedown requests for actors who claim they were misled about the nature of a film project.

Keywords: cindy lee garcia, [youtube](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube.md), [innocence of muslims](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/innocence-of-muslims.md), [copyright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright.md), sally kirkland

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Georgian Prison Scandal and Putin-Clinton Rivalry (1:15:49–1:19:51)

Protests erupt in Tbilisi, Georgia, following the release of videos showing prison guards torturing inmates. The scandal threatens the pro-Western government of Mikhail Saakashvili ahead of parliamentary elections. The hosts frame the event as a geopolitical move by Vladimir Putin to undermine U.S. influence in the strategically important Caucasus region.

Keywords: [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [tbilisi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tbilisi.md), prison abuse

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Pussy Riot and the Amnesty International Peace Prize (1:19:52–1:26:08)

Yoko Ono and Amnesty International award the Lennon Ono Grant for Peace to the Russian punk group Pussy Riot. The hosts point out that Amnesty's director, Suzanne Nossel, is a former State Department official under Hillary Clinton, suggesting the award is a political tool. Other recipients include the family of Rachel Corrie and author John Perkins, whom the hosts label a "sellout."

Keywords: [pussy riot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pussy-riot.md), [yoko ono](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yoko-ono.md), [amnesty international](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amnesty-international.md), suzanne nossel, [john perkins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-perkins.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Reality TV Tech Shows and Career Reflections (1:26:09–1:27:51)

The hosts discuss the rise of tech-themed reality shows on Bravo, such as "Start-Ups: Silicon Valley" featuring Sarah Austin. They reflect on their own careers in media and the difficulty of finding authentic success in an industry increasingly dominated by superficial "socialite" tech coverage.

Keywords: [bravo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bravo.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [sarah austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-austin.md), [reality tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reality-tv.md), [career](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/career.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Julian Assange and the Swedish Embassy Proposal (1:27:51–1:29:55)

Ecuador proposes a plan to transfer Julian Assange from its London embassy to its embassy in Sweden to allow him to face questioning regarding sex crime allegations. This move is intended to provide a legal compromise while maintaining his asylum status. The hosts note that mainstream U.S. media has largely ignored this diplomatic development.

Keywords: [julian assange](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/julian-assange.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md), [ecuador](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ecuador.md), [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Pakistan Blasphemy Laws and US Extradition Precedents (1:29:56–1:33:41)

Protesters in Pakistan demand that the creators of the "Innocence of Muslims" video be handed over to face blasphemy charges, citing the U.S. precedent of pursuing foreign nationals like Julian Assange for crimes against America. The hosts also critique the $70,000 media buy by the U.S. embassy in Pakistan, questioning the low cost for such a large television market.

Keywords: [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [blasphemy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blasphemy.md), [julian assange](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/julian-assange.md), [extradition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/extradition.md), media buy

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Listener Donations and Australian Travel Observations (1:33:42–1:38:01)

The hosts read letters from donors in Michigan, Louisiana, and Canada. One listener describes discovering the podcast through an Indian dating site, while another from Melbourne discusses the local culture in Perth and Victoria. The segment focuses on the "value for value" model and the personal sacrifices listeners make to support the show.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [ann arbor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ann-arbor.md), [melbourne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/melbourne.md), [perth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/perth.md), [dating sites](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dating-sites.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Gold Rush Economics and Monetary Policy (1:38:01–1:39:48)

A listener's note compares the economic impact of the 1849 Gold Rush to modern monetary policy under Ben Bernanke. The discussion explores how physical gold mining created infrastructure and jobs, whereas modern quantitative easing primarily benefits the banking sector without stimulating the broader economy.

Keywords: [gold rush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gold-rush.md), 1849, [ben bernanke](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ben-bernanke.md), [keynesian economics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keynesian-economics.md), [recession](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recession.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Chevy Volt Incentives and Nuclear Engineering (1:39:48–1:43:49)

The hosts discuss a $10,000 price reduction and attractive lease deals for the Chevy Volt as General Motors attempts to clear inventory. They debate the merits of the electric vehicle, its manufacturing costs, and the social stigma of driving a "subsidized" car. The segment also features a note from a nuclear reactor designer who supports the show.

Keywords: [chevy volt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chevy-volt.md), [electric cars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-cars.md), [nuclear reactors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-reactors.md), [subsidies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subsidies.md), [general motors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/general-motors.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/25.md)

### 26. No Agenda Racing and Electric Vehicle Mechanics (1:43:49–1:49:43)

Sir Andrew Gardner provides an update on the No Agenda racing team's performance at the Virginia International Raceway. The conversation shifts back to the technical specifications of the Chevy Volt, including its 220V charging requirements, the transition between battery and gas engine, and a strange aerodynamic thumping sound caused by opening the rear windows at high speeds.

Keywords: [racing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/racing.md), virginia international raceway, [chevy volt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chevy-volt.md), battery charging, [aerodynamics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aerodynamics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Job Karma and Podcast Monetization Trends (1:49:44–1:54:17)

The hosts grant "job karma" to listeners seeking new employment and discuss rumors that Apple may introduce a way for podcasters to charge for content. They reiterate their commitment to the ad-free, donation-based model despite the financial challenges of maintaining an independent media operation.

Keywords: [job karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-karma.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [monetization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monetization.md), [ads](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ads.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Value for Value Model and Adult Industry Comparisons (1:54:17–1:58:58)

The hosts compare the "value for value" model of their podcast to the monetization strategies used by adult industry stars like Bobby Eden. They discuss the profitability of webcam performances and branded products like the Fleshlight, contrasting these commercial ventures with their own reliance on listener donations to remain "uncompromised."

Keywords: [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [bobby eden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bobby-eden.md), webcam, [fleshlight](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fleshlight.md), [monetization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monetization.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Knighting Ceremony and Manhattan Project National Park (1:58:59–2:03:30)

The hosts perform a knighting ceremony for top donors Patrick Wilson and Joe Collins. They then discuss a bill passed by the House to establish the Manhattan Project National Historical Park in Tennessee, New Mexico, and Washington. Dennis Kucinich's opposition to the bill is highlighted, as he argues against celebrating the technology that created the atomic bomb.

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [manhattan project](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manhattan-project.md), [dennis kucinich](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dennis-kucinich.md), [nuclear weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-weapons.md), [oak ridge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oak-ridge.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/29.md)

### 30. India Ballistic Missile Tests (2:03:31–2:05:09)

India successfully test-fires the nuclear-capable Agni-3 ballistic missile from a base in Odisha. The missile has a range of over 3,000 kilometers and follows a previous test of the Agni-4. The hosts note that this significant military development received minimal coverage in the American press compared to news about Iran.

Keywords: [india](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/india.md), agni-3, [ballistic missile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ballistic-missile.md), nuclear capable, [odisha](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/odisha.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Scottish Independence Referendum and Welfare State Debate (2:05:09–2:07:39)

Thousands march in Edinburgh in support of Scottish independence ahead of a planned 2014 referendum. Scottish Nationalist Party leader Alex Salmond meets with Prime Minister David Cameron to discuss the breakaway. The hosts discuss the debate over whether an independent Scotland could sustain its welfare state using North Sea oil revenues.

Keywords: [scotland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scotland.md), [edinburgh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edinburgh.md), [independence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/independence.md), [alex salmond](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alex-salmond.md), [north sea oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-sea-oil.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/31.md)

### 32. NYPD Terrorism Drill on Boardwalk Empire Set (2:07:41–2:09:27)

The NYPD conducts a mock terrorism drill on the Brooklyn set of the HBO show "Boardwalk Empire," which recreates 1920s Atlantic City. The hosts question the realism of using a period-piece movie set for modern tactical training and suggest the event may have been used to film a public service announcement or other propaganda.

Keywords: [nypd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nypd.md), boardwalk empire, [brooklyn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brooklyn.md), terrorism drill, [hbo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hbo.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/32.md)

### 33. James Holmes Court Appearance and Medication Changes (2:09:27–2:11:02)

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes appears in court with a significantly different demeanor, appearing alert and well-groomed compared to his previous dazed state. Reporters speculate that his medication has been changed, though a gag order prevents confirmation. The hosts discuss the "stunning" physical transformation of the defendant.

Keywords: [james holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md), [aurora shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aurora-shooting.md), [court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/court.md), [medication](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medication.md), [haldol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haldol.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Dutch Facebook Party Riot and Social Good Summit (2:11:03–2:13:48)

A teenager's birthday party in a Dutch town turns into a riot after a Facebook invitation goes viral, attracting 4,000 attendees and requiring riot police intervention. The hosts view the story as a distraction from the "Social Good Summit" in New York, where tech leaders and diplomats are meeting to discuss global engagement.

Keywords: [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), riot, social good summit, [mashable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mashable.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Mashable and State Department Collaboration (2:13:49–2:21:01)

Hillary Clinton addresses the Social Good Summit, praising Mashable and its founder Pete Cashmore for creating a platform for global diplomacy. The hosts argue that Mashable has become a "puppet of the New World Order" and is no longer an objective news source. They critique the concept of "social media diplomacy" as a tool for government influence.

Keywords: [mashable](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mashable.md), pete cashmore, [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), social good summit, [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Iran Cyber Attack Allegations and Internet Sovereignty (2:21:02–2:22:49)

U.S. national security officials attribute recent cyber attacks on JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America to the Iranian government. The hosts suggest these allegations may be used to cover for internal technical failures. They also discuss Iran's plans to create a country-wide "intranet" to isolate itself from Western digital influence.

Keywords: [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [cyber attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-attack.md), [jpmorgan chase](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jpmorgan-chase.md), [bank of america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bank-of-america.md), [internet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Senate Hearing on Cybersecurity and Homegrown Threats (2:22:49–2:31:32)

Counterterrorism officials Matthew Olson and Janet Napolitano testify regarding the primary threats to the U.S., identifying Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and cyber attacks as top priorities. The FBI discusses the creation of "cyber task forces" to combat groups like Anonymous and LulzSec. The hosts mock the bureaucratic language and the focus on distant threats over domestic issues.

Keywords: matthew olson, [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [anonymous](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anonymous.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Cybersecurity Executive Order and DHS Personnel (2:31:32–2:36:40)

Janet Napolitano confirms that a cybersecurity executive order is near completion, pending resolution at the highest levels of government. She outlines limitations of the order, including the inability to bypass personnel hiring laws or increase criminal penalties without legislation. The hosts criticize the massive growth of the DHS workforce and the lack of focus on privacy protections.

Keywords: [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), [cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md), [janet napolitano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/janet-napolitano.md), [dhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhs.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Todd Park and Government Data "Jiu-Jitsu" (2:36:41–2:41:42)

U.S. Chief Technology Officer Todd Park speaks at the Social Good Summit about "jiu-jitsu-ing" government data to make it usable for entrepreneurs. The hosts mock his use of buzzwords and "awesomeness" to describe bureaucratic tasks. The segment concludes with a critique of the California high-speed rail project, specifically the funding of the Fresno to Bakersfield section.

Keywords: [todd park](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/todd-park.md), [cto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cto.md), open innovation, [high-speed rail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/high-speed-rail.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Richard Stallman on Internet Censorship and Surveillance (2:41:43–2:45:43)

Free software advocate Richard Stallman speaks on Russia Today about the dangers of internet censorship and the "evil" methods used by governments to stop file sharing. He argues that non-commercial redistribution of published works should be legal and that current enforcement measures abolish basic principles of justice. The hosts close the show by reflecting on Stallman's extreme but "enjoyable" views.

Keywords: [richard stallman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-stallman.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), digital economy act, [sharing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sharing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/446-the-convincables/chapter/40.md)

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