# Almost Live From GitmoNation

> A bilateral military agreement between the U.S. and Canada sets the stage for a new era of domestic emergency response and cross-border intervention.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 43
- **Published:** 2008-08-17
- **Length:** 1h 39m
- **Topics:** [Gitmo Nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [Saakashvili](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/saakashvili.md), Mauritania coup, Anthrax investigation, [Fairness Doctrine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fairness-doctrine.md), Spanish collapse, Ghost Recon
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation

## About this episode

The United States and Canada have formalized a mutual military assistance agreement allowing armed forces to cross borders during domestic emergencies, signaling a shift toward integrated North American martial law protocols. This development coincides with the branding of Gitmo Nation, a new paradigm of governance where TSA secondary screenings are triggered by name-match errors in RFID passport systems. In the Caucasus, the conflict between Russia and Georgia over South Ossetia exposes the strategic value of regional oil pipelines and the limitations of Western diplomatic influence.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili faces intense scrutiny following reports from Dutch media regarding his personal conduct and mental state, while an English Pravda report questions the Russian fluency of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. In Mauritania, a bloodless coup has installed a former EU ambassador as Prime Minister, potentially disrupting Chinese mineral and oil acquisitions in Africa. Meanwhile, the Spanish economy faces a total collapse as a glut of 500,000 unfinished residential properties turns new developments into ghost towns. Domestically, the FBI case against the late Bruce Ivins regarding the 2001 anthrax attacks is under fire from scientists questioning the validity of the government's microbial forensics.

President George W. Bush appeared at the Beijing Olympics with a mysterious arm scrape, fueling rumors of a fall while he navigated the diplomatic tensions of the games. The murder of Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney has reignited public interest in the Clinton body count, as Hillary Clinton prepares a roll call vote strategy for the Democratic National Convention. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak analyze these geopolitical maneuvers while reviewing the ammoniated blue cheese and grass-fed steaks of San Francisco's Larkspur Steakhouse.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/transcript.md.

### 1. Gitmo Nation Branding and Mulder-Scully Dynamic (0:01–2:35)

The hosts establish "Gitmo Nation" as a new mantra for the current state of governance, with one host broadcasting from Gitmo Nation East (UK) and the other from Gitmo Nation West (Silicon Valley). A listener feedback message compares the duo to Mulder and Scully from The X-Files, highlighting the dynamic between conspiracy theories and skepticism.

Keywords: [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [x-files](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/x-files.md), mulder, scully, [reptilians](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reptilians.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/1.md)

### 2. TSA Secondary Screening and the Nebraska Adam Curry (2:35–8:58)

A host recounts a recent experience with TSA secondary screening triggered by an RFID passport scan. Customs agents revealed the "M" on the landing card stands for "match," indicating a name-match with another individual named Adam Curry in Nebraska who is currently under government surveillance. The discussion highlights flaws in watch list systems that rely primarily on names rather than unique identifiers like birth dates.

Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [rfid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rfid.md), [secondary screening](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secondary-screening.md), [passport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/passport.md), [nebraska](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nebraska.md), watch list

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/2.md)

### 3. US-Canada Military Cooperation Agreement (8:59–9:52)

A brief report mentions a February 2008 agreement signed between the United States and Canada regarding mutual military assistance. The agreement suggests that armed forces from both nations could assist each other during domestic emergencies or potential martial law scenarios, functioning similarly to a bilateral NATO arrangement.

Keywords: [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [united states](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-states.md), military agreement, [martial law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/martial-law.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Russia-Georgia Conflict and South Ossetian Geopolitics (9:53–14:31)

The conflict in Georgia is analyzed through the lens of historical border shifts dating back to the Stalin era. While Western media portrays Russia as the aggressor, alternative perspectives suggest Georgia initiated hostilities against South Ossetians. The region's strategic value is noted for its oil pipelines and its role as the "Florida of the ex-Soviet Union," supplying the majority of citrus fruits to Russia.

Keywords: [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [south ossetia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-ossetia.md), [stalin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stalin.md), citrus fruit, [oil pipelines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil-pipelines.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Mikheil Saakashvili, Dutch Media, and Personal Conduct (14:32–19:45)

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili's public behavior is scrutinized, specifically a BBC clip showing him chewing on his necktie while on the phone. The Dutch media has followed the leader closely due to his marriage to Sandra Roelofs, a Dutch national. Rumors from the Dutch alternative press regarding Saakashvili's personal life and mental state are discussed alongside his use of European Union flags despite Georgia not being a member.

Keywords: [mikheil saakashvili](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mikheil-saakashvili.md), sandra roelofs, [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), tie eating

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Condoleezza Rice and Russian Expertise Critique (19:46–21:32)

An article in the English version of Pravda questions the competence of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The piece criticizes her purported expertise on Russia, claiming her command of the Russian language is elementary and her understanding of modern Russian geopolitics is inferior to that of informed bloggers.

Keywords: [condoleezza rice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/condoleezza-rice.md), [pravda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pravda.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [linguistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/linguistics.md), [diplomacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diplomacy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Media Propaganda and Fox News Outtakes (21:32–26:04)

The narrative surrounding the Russia-Georgia conflict is cited as an example of successful media propaganda, comparing it to public perceptions of the Iraq War. A specific incident on Fox News is highlighted where a young girl and her mother thanked Russia for saving their lives, causing visible discomfort for the news anchors who attempted to cut the segment short.

Keywords: [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md), [media bias](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-bias.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Fairness Doctrine and Internet Regulation (26:05–27:38)

The potential reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine is discussed, with concerns that the FCC might attempt to apply these regulations to the internet and political blogs. The hosts suggest that if forced to provide "equal time" for opposing views, bloggers might simply use automated scripts to post nonsensical boilerplate text at the end of their entries.

Keywords: [fairness doctrine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fairness-doctrine.md), [fcc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fcc.md), [rush limbaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rush-limbaugh.md), [blogs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blogs.md), [free speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-speech.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/8.md)

### 9. ISP Whitelisting and Sanctioned Website Portals (27:39–28:18)

A rumor is mentioned regarding a cable network CEO considering a move toward a "sanctioned website list." This model would restrict users to approved portals rather than allowing open access to the entire World Wide Web, though the hosts express skepticism that such a restrictive measure could succeed in the current market.

Keywords: [isp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isp.md), [internet censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/internet-censorship.md), [whitelisting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whitelisting.md), web portals, cable networks

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Mauritania Coup and Global Resource Competition (28:19–32:18)

A bloodless coup in Mauritania occurred nearly simultaneously with the conflict in Georgia, resulting in a former European Union ambassador being installed as Prime Minister. The event is significant due to Mauritania's role as a major supplier of oil and minerals to China, leading to speculation about whether the coup was a strategic move by Western interests to disrupt Chinese resource acquisition in Africa.

Keywords: [mauritania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mauritania.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil.md), [coup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/coup.md), [west africa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/west-africa.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Tbilisi Modernization and Flickr Photography (32:19–33:12)

The city of Tbilisi is noted for its spectacular modernization projects and unique architectural mix. Listeners are encouraged to view photos of the Georgian capital on Flickr, where the city is described as a "photographer's dream" due to its visual appeal.

Keywords: [tbilisi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tbilisi.md), [flickr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flickr.md), [architecture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/architecture.md), [photography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photography.md), [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Global Geopolitical Maneuvers and Missile Defense (33:12–36:14)

The U.S. agreement to install nuclear missiles in Poland is viewed as a provocation toward Russia, potentially in response to Russian interests in Cuba. A "Mulder moment" theory is proposed, suggesting that Western powers are intentionally agitating Russia and China to incite conflict between the two eastern powers over resources.

Keywords: [poland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poland.md), [cuba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cuba.md), [missiles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/missiles.md), [nigeria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nigeria.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/12.md)

### 13. George W. Bush at the Beijing Olympics (36:14–38:24)

President George W. Bush's appearance at the Beijing Olympics is discussed, including a visible scrape on his arm that sparked rumors of a fall. An anecdote from a Yale classmate claims that Bush previously refused to visit China while his father was the U.S. Ambassador there because he had no interest in leaving the United States.

Keywords: [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [beijing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beijing.md), [olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/olympics.md), [yale](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yale.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Larkspur Steakhouse Restaurant Review (38:25–48:16)

The hosts review Larkspur Steakhouse, a Bradley Ogden restaurant located inside a Bloomingdale's in San Francisco. The review covers the "ammoniated" blue cheese dressing, the "bland" grass-fed New York strip, and the high-quality Caymus 2005 Cabernet. The culinary highlight was the "C&C" discovery: a pairing of cantaloupe sorbet with Calvados.

Keywords: bradley ogden, larkspur steakhouse, bloomingdale's, [calvados](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/calvados.md), [cantaloupe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cantaloupe.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Parenting Crisis in Paris and Boissy-Saint-Léger (48:17–55:14)

A host describes a stressful evening spent tracking his daughter via text and Google Earth after she and a friend ended up at the end of a train line in Boissy-Saint-Léger at 1:00 AM. The situation was complicated by dead phone batteries and language barriers, but eventually resolved when the teenagers were assisted by a local couple and returned safely to their hotel.

Keywords: [paris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paris.md), [disneyland paris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disneyland-paris.md), boissy-saint-léger, [google earth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google-earth.md), [parenting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parenting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Virgin America and Airline Industry Protectionism (55:16–59:51)

A rant regarding Virgin America highlights the lack of lounge access for Virgin Atlantic gold card members, illustrating the legal separation required between domestic and international carriers. The discussion touches on the "open skies" agreement and the restrictive laws that prevent foreign-owned airlines from operating domestic U.S. routes directly.

Keywords: [virgin america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virgin-america.md), [virgin atlantic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virgin-atlantic.md), [jetblue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jetblue.md), [richard branson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-branson.md), aviation law

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Lost Luggage and Richard Branson's Apology (59:51–1:02:38)

After a bag was delayed on a Virgin Atlantic flight, a host contacted Richard Branson's executive office to complain about the service. The company responded with a formal apology, 10,000 frequent flyer miles, and a 200-pound credit. An anecdote is shared about a flight director offering "pole dancers" as a joke in response to a request for better service.

Keywords: [virgin atlantic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virgin-atlantic.md), lost luggage, [richard branson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-branson.md), [frequent flyer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/frequent-flyer.md), [compensation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/compensation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Customs Regulations and Global Drug Smuggling (1:02:39–1:06:05)

The irony of strict customs enforcement for personal items like watches and cameras is contrasted with the massive volume of illegal drugs entering the West from Afghanistan. The hosts speculate that the "war on terror" infrastructure may actually facilitate a "grey market" for drug trafficking to fund covert weapons purchases, reminiscent of the Iran-Contra affair.

Keywords: [customs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/customs.md), [smuggling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smuggling.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [heroin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heroin.md), [iran-contra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran-contra.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Spanish Economic Collapse and Real Estate Glut (1:06:07–1:11:58)

The Spanish government cut short its summer holiday to address a collapsing economy driven by a massive overdevelopment of residential property. With a glut of 500,000 unfinished flats and a 50% drop in sales, towns like Seseña have become "ghost towns." The crisis is expected to spread across Europe, potentially causing a short-term rise in the U.S. dollar.

Keywords: [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md), zapatero, [real estate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/real-estate.md), [economic collapse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-collapse.md), [madrid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/madrid.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Rocketboom and the John Edwards Campaign (1:11:58–1:13:44)

Financial ties between the John Edwards campaign and the video blog Rocketboom are examined. Fred Baron, Edwards' finance director, reportedly invested $800,000 in Rocketboom, which is run by his son, Andrew Baron. This connection raises questions about conflicts of interest when Rocketboom was granted exclusive access to the campaign plane.

Keywords: rocketboom, [john edwards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-edwards.md), andrew baron, fred baron, [sony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sony.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Bruce Ivins and the Anthrax Investigation (1:13:45–1:16:52)

Scientists are expressing doubt regarding the government's case against the late Bruce E. Ivins, the military researcher accused of the 2001 anthrax attacks. The discussion focuses on the "new scientific methods" used to link spores to Ivins's flask and the suspicious nature of his suicide via Tylenol (paracetamol) overdose.

Keywords: [bruce ivins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruce-ivins.md), [anthrax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthrax.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), paracetamol, [tylenol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tylenol.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Bill Gwatney Murder and the Clinton Body Count (1:16:52–1:19:39)

The murder of Bill Gwatney, chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party and a close friend of the Clintons, has reignited interest in the "Clinton body count" conspiracy theory. The hosts discuss the long list of Clinton associates who have died under mysterious circumstances, including suicides and unsolved homicides, suggesting a pattern of intimidation.

Keywords: bill gwatney, [arkansas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arkansas.md), [clinton body count](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/clinton-body-count.md), [vince foster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vince-foster.md), whitewater

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Democratic Convention Strategy and Roll Call Votes (1:19:39–1:26:10)

A theory is proposed that Hillary Clinton is using a "roll call vote" at the Democratic National Convention to intimidate superdelegates into switching their support from Barack Obama. The involvement of Lady de Rothschild and the website "Together for Us" is cited as evidence of a high-level power play to secure the nomination for Clinton despite Obama's delegate lead.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [superdelegates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/superdelegates.md), [rothschild](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rothschild.md), [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Obama Heckling Incident in Portland (1:26:11–1:27:46)

A listener correction clarifies a previous segment regarding Barack Obama being booed at a rally. The report explains that the boos were actually directed at a group of hecklers, and Obama was praised for his calm handling of the situation and his willingness to engage in a brief Q&A with the protesters.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [portland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portland.md), [hecklers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hecklers.md), civil discourse, [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Land Bridge Chronology Correction (1:27:47–1:28:36)

The hosts acknowledge a factual error regarding the land bridge between mainland Europe and the United Kingdom. While a host previously suggested Romans walked across it, the land bridge actually disappeared approximately 100,000 years ago, long before the Roman era.

Keywords: land bridge, romans, [archaeology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/archaeology.md), [history](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/history.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Waco Siege and Clinton Administration Ties (1:28:37–1:30:41)

The 1993 Waco siege is revisited, noting that four members of Bill Clinton's former security detail were killed during the action. The hosts discuss the numerous ties between the Clintons and the events at Waco, using it as an example of how the internet allows for the aggregation of "truth" that corporate media often ignores.

Keywords: [waco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/waco.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [security detail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-detail.md), [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon and Military Recruitment (1:30:42–1:38:06)

The 2001 video game *Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon* is highlighted for its "prediction" of a 2008 conflict in the Republic of Georgia involving Russian ultra-nationalists. The discussion explores the link between Ubisoft, the U.S. Army's *America's Army* game, and the use of video games as training and recruitment tools for children.

Keywords: [tom clancy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tom-clancy.md), ghost recon, [ubisoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ubisoft.md), [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [recruitment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recruitment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/27.md)

### 28. No Agenda Marketing and Sign-off (1:38:08–1:38:50)

The hosts conclude the program by encouraging listeners to share the show with friends to help grow the audience from 40,000 to 100,000. They reiterate the "Gitmo Nation" theme and sign off from their respective locations in the UK and Northern California.

Keywords: [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/43-almost-live-from-gitmonation/chapter/28.md)

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