# Gross, Surprising & Scary

> A chilling coincidence in Colorado and a global push for digital surveillance reveal the hidden architecture behind modern crises and the emerging drone economy.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 429
- **Published:** 2012-07-27
- **Length:** 2h 47m
- **Topics:** [Aurora shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aurora-shooting.md), Drone surveillance, [Eurozone crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurozone-crisis.md), [Magnitsky Act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/magnitsky-act.md), [Agenda 21](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agenda-21.md), [James Holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md), [War on Cash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-on-cash.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary

## About this episode

A specialized disaster life support drill at Rocky Vista University in Parker, Colorado, mirrored the Aurora theater shooting on the same day, involving a scenario where a gunman fires on moviegoers. This coincidence, alongside discrepancies in the appearance of suspect James Holmes and his mysterious Tennessee license plates, raises significant questions about the official narrative. The media response is further scrutinized as talk show hosts on The View and former DHS Director Michael Chertoff use the tragedy to advocate for behavioral detection technology and brain scanners.

Global instability intensifies as Moody's considers downgrading the credit ratings of Germany, Holland, and Luxembourg while the European Stability Mechanism faces legal delays. In the Middle East, a series of coordinated bombings across Iraq appear to target pipeline infrastructure, and the BBC is accused of staging footage from Aleppo using campfires and inserted sound effects. Meanwhile, the United States government champions the Magnitsky Act for Russian whistleblowers while simultaneously prosecuting domestic figures like Bradley Manning, and the USDA launches a People's Garden registry that critics link to Agenda 21 surveillance.

Technological creep dominates the domestic front as Congressman Ted Poe warns of 30,000 drones in American skies by 2020 and the FAA integrates unmanned aerial vehicles into national airspace. The hosts explore the absurdity of burrito-delivery drones and the new Visa Citizen Card in the UK, which merges government ID with prepaid debit. Between technical glitches attributed to Microsoft surveillance, the crew prepares for the Hot Pockets mobile studio tour with a new Zoom H4n recorder and a healthy dose of skepticism regarding Greenland's ice melt data.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/transcript.md.

### 1. Mobile Studio Equipment, Zoom H4n Recorder Purchase (0:00–2:19)

The hosts discuss the purchase of a Zoom H4n recorder for $69 to serve as a backup for their computer-based recording setup. This equipment is part of a new mobile studio being assembled for the upcoming Hot Pockets tour. The device features XLR jacks and is noted for its utility in conducting field interviews.

Keywords: zoom h4n, [mobile studio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mobile-studio.md), xlr jacks, [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md), recording equipment

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/1.md)

### 2. James Holmes, Aurora Shooting Photo Discrepancies (2:20–5:04)

A comparison of photos featuring Aurora theater shooter James Holmes suggests potential discrepancies between his original appearance and his courtroom appearance with orange hair. Observations focus on differences in nose shape and ear structure, leading to claims of psychological programming or the use of a body double. The discussion highlights how mugshots typically focus on ears as unique identifiers similar to fingerprints.

Keywords: [james holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md), [aurora shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aurora-shooting.md), [facial recognition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facial-recognition.md), [psychological warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/psychological-warfare.md), mugshots

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/2.md)

### 3. The View, Mental Illness Commentary Skepticism (5:05–7:23)

The hosts criticize the commentary on the daytime talk show The View regarding James Holmes' courtroom demeanor. They mock the hosts' assertions about the intersection of high intelligence and mental disease. The segment highlights the repetitive use of the phrase "I do believe" by media personalities as a linguistic filler.

Keywords: [the view](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-view.md), [mental illness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-illness.md), [james holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md), media commentary, [acting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/acting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Rocky Vista University, Active Shooter Drill Coincidence (7:24–9:31)

A specialized disaster life support drill was held at Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine in Parker, Colorado, on the same day as the Aurora theater shooting. The drill reportedly involved a scenario where a shooter fires at people in a movie theater. This coincidence is presented as a hallmark of a staged event or false flag operation, with criticism directed at the mainstream media for failing to report the parallel.

Keywords: rocky vista university, [aurora](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aurora.md), [false flag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/false-flag.md), disaster drill, medical students

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Gun Control Legislation, Ammunition Sales Restrictions (9:31–11:43)

Congresswomen Carolyn Maloney and Jan Schakowsky are advocating for new gun safety legislation focusing on high-capacity ammunition and online bullet purchases. The discussion centers on the strategy of restricting ammo as a workaround for the Second Amendment. Representative Schakowsky questions the necessity of individuals purchasing 6,000 rounds of ammunition online.

Keywords: [carolyn maloney](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carolyn-maloney.md), jan schakowsky, [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [ammunition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ammunition.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Second Amendment Interpretations, Hunting vs Tyranny (11:44–15:34)

The hosts contrast political and celebrity interpretations of the Second Amendment, criticizing President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg for framing gun rights primarily around hunting and sport. Rapper and actor Ice-T is praised for stating that the right to bear arms is the last defense against tyranny. The segment disputes claims that certain rifles are advertised as being able to bring down commercial airliners.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [michael bloomberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-bloomberg.md), [ice-t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice-t.md), [second amendment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/second-amendment.md), [gun rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Newsroom TV Show, Obama Gun Record Analysis (15:35–19:03)

A segment from the HBO show Newsroom is analyzed for its portrayal of President Obama's record on gun control. The show argues that despite rhetoric from the NRA and conservative media, Obama received "F" grades from the Brady Campaign for failing to pass restrictive legislation. The clip suggests Obama has signed more repeals of federal gun policies than George W. Bush, making him an accidental ally to the gun lobby.

Keywords: [newsroom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newsroom.md), [aaron sorkin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aaron-sorkin.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [nra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nra.md), brady campaign

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Michael Chertoff, Behavioral Detection and Radicalization (19:04–22:02)

Former Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff discusses the need for better detection of early warning signs of derangement or terrorism. He references the Fort Hood shooting and Major Nidal Hassan as examples of a "failure of imagination" in identifying radicalization. The hosts suggest Chertoff is using these tragedies to promote advanced surveillance technology and brain scanners.

Keywords: [michael chertoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-chertoff.md), [homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/homeland-security.md), [fort hood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fort-hood.md), [nidal hassan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nidal-hassan.md), [radicalization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radicalization.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Aurora Shooting Eyewitness, Suspicious Testimony Analysis (22:05–26:27)

An eyewitness account of the Aurora shooting is scrutinized for its use of specific technical language, such as "casualties" and "10-24" location codes. The witness describes a man propping open an emergency door and signaling someone during the movie trailers. The hosts question the validity of the testimony, suggesting the witness sounds like an intelligence plant or a trained professional.

Keywords: [aurora shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aurora-shooting.md), [eyewitness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eyewitness.md), police jargon, theater security, [james holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/9.md)

### 10. SWAT Gear Confusion, Tennessee License Plates (26:28–29:10)

The capture of James Holmes is discussed, specifically how he allegedly attempted to blend in with police by wearing tactical gear. Questions are raised regarding why Holmes, a student in Colorado originally from California, had Tennessee license plates on his vehicle. The hosts suggest the presence of a second shooter and criticize the official narrative provided by local authorities.

Keywords: swat gear, [james holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md), [tennessee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tennessee.md), [license plates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/license-plates.md), aurora police

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Media Blame, Video Games and Children at Midnight (29:13–31:42)

The hosts react to media experts blaming violent video games and fantasy media for real-world violence. They also debate the appropriateness of parents bringing young children to midnight screenings of violent PG-13 films. One host shares a personal anecdote about a mistake made in the 1990s involving exposing a child to Gulf War news coverage and the video game Doom.

Keywords: [video games](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/video-games.md), violent movies, [parenting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parenting.md), terminator 3, doom

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Dutch Surnames, Napoleon's Registry History (31:42–34:03)

A discussion about a donor named Joseph van Spanje leads to an exploration of the history of Dutch surnames. The hosts explain how Napoleon forced residents of the Lowlands to register official names, leading to humorous or literal surnames based on parentage or location. They joke about the origins of various eccentric Dutch family names.

Keywords: [napoleon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/napoleon.md), dutch names, [genealogy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/genealogy.md), [lowlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lowlands.md), joseph van spanje

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Producer Credits, Dallas Slave Meetup Announcement (34:04–36:55)

The hosts acknowledge executive producer Joseph van Spanje from Plano, Texas, and discuss an upcoming "slave meetup" in Dallas. They also plug a new iPhone app called Camera DC, created by producer Dwayne Cawthron in Austin. The segment transitions into a discussion about high-end binoculars and "hydrogen optics."

Keywords: [plano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plano.md), [dallas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dallas.md), slave meetup, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), camera dc

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Hydrogen Optics, Australian Donor Humor (36:56–39:47)

The hosts investigate the concept of "hydrogen optics" in binoculars, expressing skepticism about the technology's validity. They then read a donation from AJ2 in South Australia, who jokes about a "carob tax" and shares a pun about a job crushing cans being "depressing."

Keywords: hydrogen optics, [binoculars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/binoculars.md), [south australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-australia.md), carob tax, [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Hot Pockets Tour Logistics, Producer Acknowledgments (39:48–44:22)

Logistics for the Hot Pockets 2009 tour are discussed, including a send-off meetup in Austin and a subsequent event in Dallas. Several producers are thanked for their financial support, including donors from New Orleans, Canada, and Texas. The hosts emphasize their "value for value" model and encourage listeners to propagate the show's formula.

Keywords: [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md), [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [dallas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dallas.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Eurozone Crisis, Moody's Credit Downgrades (44:23–46:02)

The European Stability Mechanism (ESM) and the credit ratings of major European nations are under pressure as Moody's considers negative revisions for Germany, Holland, and Luxembourg. The German Supreme Court has delayed the implementation of the ESM, causing market uncertainty. The hosts mock the spreading financial instability across the eurozone.

Keywords: [eurozone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurozone.md), [moody's](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moody-s.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [esm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/esm.md), [credit rating](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/credit-rating.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Celebrity Island Shopping, Greece Economic Woes (46:03–48:30)

Actors Robert De Niro and John Travolta are reported to be vacationing in Greece while filming the movie "Killing Season." The hosts speculate that the actors are scouting Greek islands for purchase as the country's economic crisis forces the sale of national assets. They criticize the PR-heavy nature of the news reports.

Keywords: [robert de niro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-de-niro.md), [john travolta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-travolta.md), [greece](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greece.md), killing season, [real estate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/real-estate.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/17.md)

### 18. European Big Four, Rome Crisis Summit (48:31–50:55)

The leaders of Italy, Germany, France, and Spain—dubbed the "Big Four"—met in Rome to discuss solutions to the European debt crisis. The hosts compare this grouping to the "Big Three" of the WWII era and dismiss the summit as a theatrical performance that will fail to prevent eventual conflict in Europe.

Keywords: big four, [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), [mario monti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mario-monti.md), mariano rajoy, [rome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rome.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Swiss Gun Culture, Domestic Drone Hearings (50:57–54:26)

The hosts discuss the high rate of gun ownership in Switzerland as a counterpoint to American gun control debates. The conversation shifts to a Congressional hearing on domestic drones featuring Professor Todd Humphreys from the University of Texas. Humphreys is criticized for his ties to the military-industrial complex and his advocacy for encrypted GPS signals.

Keywords: [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md), [gun ownership](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-ownership.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), todd humphreys, [gps spoofing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gps-spoofing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Burrito Delivery Drones, FAA Airspace Integration (54:28–59:22)

During a Congressional hearing, Professor Todd Humphreys suggests that drones could eventually be used for commercial tasks like delivering burritos to doorsteps. The hosts mock this trivialization of surveillance technology. The discussion also covers the FAA's plan to accelerate the adoption of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) into national airspace by 2015.

Keywords: [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), burrito delivery, [faa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/faa.md), [uav](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uav.md), todd humphreys

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Win Lose or Drone, Pakistan Kill List (59:22–1:01:40)

Congressman Ted Poe of Texas warns the House of Representatives about the impending arrival of 30,000 drones in American skies by 2020. Meanwhile, the hosts update their "kill list" website following reports of 12 suspected militants killed by drone strikes in Pakistan. They satirize the weekly "terror meetings" held by the President to approve targets.

Keywords: congressman poe, [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [drone strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [kill list](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kill-list.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Somalia Drone Congestion, Presidential Executive Order (1:01:41–1:04:53)

A United Nations report indicates that the skies over Somalia have become dangerously congested with drones operating out of Djibouti. President Obama issued an executive order declaring a national emergency regarding Somalia, targeting the assets of those threatening stability or civilians. The hosts interpret this as a move to protect US drone operations and strategic interests in the region.

Keywords: [somalia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/somalia.md), [djibouti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/djibouti.md), [al-shabaab](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-shabaab.md), [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), [drone base](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-base.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Airmen Bill of Rights, Pilot Certification Changes (1:04:54–1:07:34)

The Airmen Bill of Rights (HR 1335) is criticized for introducing new burdens on licensed pilots, including stricter medical and psychological testing. The hosts argue that the FAA's plan to revamp the NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) system is an unnecessary multi-million dollar project. They suggest these changes are designed to eventually phase out human pilots in favor of autonomous systems.

Keywords: [faa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/faa.md), airmen bill of rights, [notam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/notam.md), medical certificate, [pilots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pilots.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Skype Technical Issues, Gitmo Nation Anthem (1:07:35–1:10:31)

The hosts experience technical difficulties with Skype, jokingly attributing the audio glitches to Microsoft's surveillance of calls. While restarting the connection, they play the "Gitmo Nation National Anthem," a satirical song about being "human resources" and "distracted slaves."

Keywords: [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [national anthem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-anthem.md), [technical glitch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technical-glitch.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Iraq Bombing Patterns, Pipeline Sabotage Speculation (1:10:31–1:12:50)

A series of coordinated attacks across Iraq, including car bombs in Taji and Baghdad, resulted in the deadliest day of violence in the country for the year. The hosts observe that the locations of the bombings appear to form a straight line, suggesting the attacks may be targeting pipeline infrastructure rather than just security forces.

Keywords: [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md), [baghdad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baghdad.md), taji, car bombs, [pipelines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pipelines.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Fiction (1:12:51–1:16:52)

Reports from Russia Today highlight a resurgence of Al-Qaeda in Iraq under the leadership of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The hosts argue that al-Baghdadi is a fictional creation used for propaganda purposes, noting that he has been reported killed multiple times. They suggest the story is being amplified to distract from the ongoing conflict in Syria.

Keywords: [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [abu bakr al-baghdadi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi.md), [iraq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iraq.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [russia today](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia-today.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Syria Media Staging, BBC Aleppo Report (1:16:53–1:21:36)

A BBC report from Aleppo is scrutinized for appearing staged, with the hosts pointing out "burning barricades" that look like small campfires. They criticize the use of inserted sound effects for fighter jet strafing runs and explosions that occur off-camera. The segment argues that the media is creating a "beautifully edited package" to sell a specific narrative of the Syrian civil war.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [aleppo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aleppo.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [media staging](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-staging.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Syrian Defector Blurring, YouTube Privacy Tools (1:21:36–1:25:20)

The hosts mock a news clip showing a captured pro-Assad colonel whose face is blurred, joking that he failed to sign a talent release. This leads to a discussion about YouTube's new face-blurring tool for dissidents. They warn that while the public sees a blurred image, the original unblurred footage remains on Google's servers, potentially endangering activists.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [aleppo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aleppo.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [youtube](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube.md), face blurring

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Chemical Weapons Bluff, Soledad O'Brien Interview (1:25:21–1:28:44)

CNN's Soledad O'Brien interviews a retired Syrian Brigadier General regarding the regime's threat to use chemical weapons against external aggression. The General dismisses the threat as a "big bluff" regarding international intervention but warns the weapons could be used internally. The hosts criticize the scripted nature of the interview and the media's focus on WMDs.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [chemical weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemical-weapons.md), [soledad o'brien](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soledad-o-brien.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [wmd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wmd.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Light Chemical Weapons, UC Davis Pepper Spray (1:28:45–1:32:40)

A Syrian defector claims the regime has already used "light chemical weapons" against its people, which the hosts equate to tear gas or pepper spray. They compare this to the use of pepper spray by US police against students at UC Davis, arguing that by the media's own definition, the US government uses chemical weapons on its own citizens.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [pepper spray](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pepper-spray.md), [uc davis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uc-davis.md), [chemical weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chemical-weapons.md), [tear gas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tear-gas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Operation Damascus Volcano, Satellite Signal Hijacking (1:32:42–1:35:22)

The NATO-led operation in Syria, titled "Operation Damascus Volcano," reportedly involves the hijacking of Syrian satellite television signals. The hosts discuss reports that the NSA is broadcasting fake patriotic clips and news using Syrian logos and graphics to confuse the population. They also note that Pakistan and South Africa abstained from the UN Security Council vote on Syria.

Keywords: operation damascus volcano, [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), satellite hijacking, [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/31.md)

### 32. UK Involvement in Syria, UN Resolution Failure (1:35:23–1:37:34)

British military officials suggest that the UK will find it difficult to avoid intervention in Syria, following the pattern set in Libya. The failure of the UN Security Council to pass a Chapter 7 resolution due to Russian and Chinese vetoes is discussed. The hosts argue that the US and its allies will likely proceed with military action regardless of UN approval.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [un security council](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/un-security-council.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Magnitsky Act, US Whistleblower Hypocrisy (1:37:34–1:42:48)

The Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act, sponsored by Senator John McCain, seeks to penalize Russian officials involved in the death of whistleblower Sergei Magnitsky. The hosts highlight the hypocrisy of the US government championing whistleblower rights in Russia while aggressively prosecuting domestic whistleblowers like Bradley Manning. They describe the act as a "gulag list" managed by Hillary Clinton and Tim Geithner.

Keywords: [magnitsky act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/magnitsky-act.md), [sergei magnitsky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sergei-magnitsky.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [whistleblowers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblowers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Wedding Gifts, Navy Seabees Karma (1:42:50–1:47:46)

The hosts process donations including a wedding gift for the Hot Pockets tour and a request for "consulting karma" for the Navy Seabees in Port Hueneme, California. Other donors seek "house selling karma" and "job interview karma." The segment includes a refusal to read a donation in a "gay Indian" accent and a shout-out to long-term $5 donors.

Keywords: [cheshire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cheshire.md), [port hueneme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/port-hueneme.md), navy seabees, [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/34.md)

### 35. European Tour Prospects, Birthday Shout-outs (1:47:47–1:51:18)

A donor from Helsinki, Finland, requests a European tour before a potential war starts. The hosts discuss the declining value of the Euro against the Dollar, noting it makes donating more expensive for Europeans. The segment concludes with a series of birthday shout-outs for listeners in Canada and the US.

Keywords: [helsinki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/helsinki.md), [finland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/finland.md), [euro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/euro.md), [exchange rate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/exchange-rate.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/35.md)

### 36. MKUltra Theories, Hot Pockets Tour Meetups (1:51:19–1:54:42)

Producer Mike requests that the hosts convince his fiancée that James Holmes is an "MKUltra patsy." The hosts also discuss a send-off meetup in Austin and acknowledge several birthday requests. A "Do Not Resuscitate Slave" joke is made in reference to a senior citizen knighthood request.

Keywords: [mkultra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mkultra.md), [james holmes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-holmes.md), [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md), producer mike, [dnr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Bar Exam Karma, Tour Funding Appeals (1:54:43–1:58:49)

Donations are read from listeners seeking karma for the Pennsylvania Bar Exam and general "generic karma" for life's challenges. The hosts appeal for more financial support to fund the upcoming "money-losing" tour through the sparse parts of the American West.

Keywords: [bar exam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bar-exam.md), [pennsylvania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pennsylvania.md), [climate gate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-gate.md), tour funding, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Tour Route Planning, Kansas City Barbecue (1:58:49–2:02:45)

The hosts detail their travel route through Oklahoma City, Topeka, and Denver. They debate the merits of Kansas City barbecue and discuss the technical upgrades to their mobile studio, including a new mixer and dual-monitor setup. A "mini boner show" is announced as an exclusive for newsletter subscribers.

Keywords: [oklahoma city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oklahoma-city.md), [topeka](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/topeka.md), [kansas city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kansas-city.md), [barbecue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barbecue.md), [mobile studio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mobile-studio.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Supermarket Layouts, War on Food (2:02:45–2:06:55)

A debate ensues over the standard layout of supermarkets, with one host claiming produce is always on the left to discourage healthy shopping. The discussion shifts to the "war on food," specifically the rising price of corn and the prevalence of genetically modified ingredients in packaged goods. Listeners are encouraged to learn to cook and shop at farmers' markets.

Keywords: [supermarkets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supermarkets.md), produce, [monsanto](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monsanto.md), [corn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/corn.md), [food prices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/food-prices.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Bloomberg Alcohol Survey, War on Cash (2:06:56–2:09:44)

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is reportedly drafting a survey to track residents' alcohol consumption, which the hosts see as a precursor to new restrictions. Simultaneously, the UK Treasury Minister David Gauk has labeled paying tradesmen in cash as "morally wrong" due to tax evasion. This is framed as part of a global "war on cash" aimed at forcing all transactions into trackable digital systems.

Keywords: [michael bloomberg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-bloomberg.md), [alcohol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alcohol.md), [cash transactions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cash-transactions.md), [vat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vat.md), digital money

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Visa Citizen Card, National ID Surveillance (2:09:45–2:11:54)

A new "Visa Citizen Card" in the UK combines government-recognized photo ID with a prepaid debit card. The hosts criticize the product as a tool for total surveillance, allowing the government and corporations to track a citizen's age, identity, and spending in one "piece of plastic." They compare it to the long-discussed national ID card in the United States.

Keywords: [visa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/visa.md), citizen card, [national id](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-id.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), prepaid card

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Oswaldo Paya Death, Cuba Blockade Skepticism (2:11:54–2:14:16)

The death of Cuban dissident Oswaldo Paya in a car crash is discussed. Paya was a prominent figure in the pro-democracy movement and a Nobel Peace Prize nominee. The hosts question why the US maintains a blockade on Cuba while ignoring major political figures and events within the country, suggesting the entire policy is a "scam of epic proportions."

Keywords: oswaldo paya, [cuba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cuba.md), [castro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/castro.md), [nobel peace prize](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nobel-peace-prize.md), [blockade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blockade.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Olympic Twitter Ban, Little Steven Police State (2:14:17–2:17:28)

Greek athlete Vula Papakristou was expelled from the Olympics for a "politically incorrect" tweet about West Nile mosquitoes and African immigrants. In a separate incident, musician Steven Van Zandt (Little Steven) criticized England as a "police state" after a curfew was enforced during a Bruce Springsteen concert, though he later backpedaled on his comments.

Keywords: vula papakristou, [olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/olympics.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [bruce springsteen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruce-springsteen.md), little steven

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Argentina Script Parallels, Michelle Obama Botswana Trip (2:17:28–2:21:54)

The hosts explore a theory that the political "script" currently being run in the US mirrors the one used in Argentina and Botswana. They suggest that trade unions are being used to take over government functions, making the population dependent on the state. Michelle Obama's trip to Botswana is framed as a progress check on this global political strategy.

Keywords: [argentina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/argentina.md), [botswana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/botswana.md), [michelle obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michelle-obama.md), trade unions, nestor kirchner

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/44.md)

### 45. 11-Year-Old Stowaway, Manchester Airport Security (2:21:55–2:26:48)

An 11-year-old boy managed to board a Jet 2 flight from Manchester to Rome without a ticket, passport, or boarding pass. The hosts express skepticism about the story, suggesting it may be a "bullcrap" narrative designed to justify increased airport security and more invasive passenger headcounts.

Keywords: manchester airport, stowaway, [rome](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rome.md), [airport security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airport-security.md), jet 2

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/45.md)

### 46. TSA and HPV, Barefoot Security Risks (2:26:51–2:30:16)

A news report claims that travelers can contract HPV (human papillomavirus) and warts by walking barefoot through TSA security checkpoints. The hosts dismiss this as a coordinated PR stunt between the pharmaceutical industry and the Department of Homeland Security to encourage vaccination or justify new security measures.

Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [hpv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hpv.md), [airport security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airport-security.md), [bacteria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bacteria.md), [public relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-relations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/46.md)

### 47. HIV Treatment Guidelines, DC Incarceration Rates (2:30:17–2:34:56)

The International Antiviral Society is urging immediate HIV treatment for all adults who test positive, regardless of immune system strength. The hosts reveal the organization is heavily funded by major pharmaceutical companies like Gilead and Merck. They also highlight a "Democracy Now" report linking high HIV rates in Washington DC to the fact that 75% of African-American men in the city will spend time in prison.

Keywords: [hiv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hiv.md), [aids](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aids.md), [big pharma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/big-pharma.md), [washington dc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-dc.md), [incarceration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/incarceration.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/47.md)

### 48. Tuberculosis in Cats, Olympic Illuminati Symbolism (2:34:57–2:40:50)

UK officials are warning that tuberculosis is being spread to humans by domestic cats. The discussion then shifts to the upcoming London Olympics opening ceremony, which the hosts predict will be filled with "Illuminati" symbolism, including pyramids and ritualistic bell ringing. They also mention a "secret device" intended to keep athletes moving at a specific pace during the parade.

Keywords: [tuberculosis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tuberculosis.md), [cats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cats.md), [olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/olympics.md), [illuminati](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illuminati.md), [big ben](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/big-ben.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Greenland Ice Melt, Climate Change Rhetoric (2:41:01–2:43:27)

NASA satellite images reportedly show that 97% of Greenland's surface ice melted in just four days. The hosts question the math of climate scientists who claim this will lead to a 20-foot rise in sea levels, noting that such a rise has not yet occurred. They criticize the "neuro-linguistic" tactics used in news reports to blame human activity for natural oscillations.

Keywords: [greenland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greenland.md), [nasa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nasa.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [sea level](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sea-level.md), petermann glacier

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/49.md)

### 50. People's Garden Registry, Show Outro (2:43:29–2:47:05)

The USDA is encouraging citizens to register their home gardens on a national map as part of the "People's Gardens" initiative. The hosts link this to Agenda 21 and suggest it will allow drones to identify "unregistered" food sources. The show concludes with tour reminders and a sign-off from Austin and Silicon Valley.

Keywords: [usda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usda.md), [agenda 21](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agenda-21.md), people's garden, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/429-gross-surprising-scary/chapter/50.md)

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