# Degrowth

> Executive privilege shielding the Fast and Furious investigation collides with European austerity as global leaders pivot from climate change to the radical economics of degrowth.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 419
- **Published:** 2012-06-21
- **Length:** 2h 43m
- **Topics:** [Fast and Furious](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fast-and-furious.md), Degrowth, [Eurozone Crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurozone-crisis.md), Syria Proxy War, [DEA](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dea.md), [Stuxnet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stuxnet.md), [G20](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/g20.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth

## About this episode

Attorney General Eric Holder faces a historic contempt of Congress vote as President Barack Obama invokes executive privilege to shield Fast and Furious documents. This move directly contradicts Obama’s 2007 campaign pledge to never use such powers to hide information from the public. The investigation remains centered on nearly 2,000 firearms provided to Mexican drug cartels and the subsequent death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

European leaders José Manuel Barroso and Herman Van Rompuy are pushing a Second Single Market Act to enforce deeper fiscal integration and a new carbon tax across the Eurozone. Meanwhile, Senator John McCain is advocating for a coalition of the willing to bypass the UN Security Council for military intervention in Syria. In the United States, the DEA continues to prioritize marijuana enforcement despite Administrator Michelle Leonhart’s inability to distinguish its risks from heroin during a heated C-SPAN hearing with Representative Jared Polis.

Dave Barnett’s bizarre on-air speech lapse triggers theories about scramble ray technology while the Jerry Sandusky trial introduces a Histrionic Personality Disorder defense. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak also deconstruct the Rio+20 Earth Summit’s shift toward sustainability and the radical International Conference on Degrowth in Montreal. The Marinov Garrison receives a formal knighthood as the show analyzes the geopolitical implications of the Euro 2012 quarter-finals.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/transcript.md.

### 1. Dave Barnett On-Air Incident, Scramble Ray Theory (0:00–3:13)

Texas Rangers announcer Dave Barnett experienced a nonsensical speech episode during a game broadcast, which the team later attributed to a migraine. A theory is proposed that such incidents are the result of "scramble ray" technology being tested on media personalities to control speech. The discussion references similar past incidents involving Al Sharpton and a woman at the Oscars.

Keywords: dave barnett, [texas rangers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas-rangers.md), [al sharpton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-sharpton.md), migraine, neurological symptoms, scramble ray

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Bridget Brown Gold Investment Clip, South Carolina Map Gaffe (3:14–6:36)

A debate occurs regarding whether a clip of Bridget Brown on CTV explaining gold investments had been played on the show previously. The conversation shifts to a famous 2007 clip of Miss Teen South Carolina struggling to explain why many Americans cannot locate the U.S. on a world map. The hosts challenge each other to find the specific episode where the gold clip first appeared.

Keywords: bridget brown, [gold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gold.md), [ctv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ctv.md), [south carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-carolina.md), [miss teen usa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miss-teen-usa.md), [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Eric Holder Contempt of Congress, Executive Privilege Invocation (6:37–11:00)

The House Oversight Committee voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress regarding the Fast and Furious investigation. President Barack Obama invoked executive privilege to withhold specific documents, a move criticized as a reversal of his previous stance on transparency. The investigation centers on nearly 2,000 weapons provided to drug cartels and the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Keywords: [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), [darrell issa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darrell-issa.md), [fast and furious](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fast-and-furious.md), [executive privilege](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-privilege.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [brian terry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brian-terry.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Barack Obama 2007 Executive Privilege Stance (11:00–12:29)

A 2007 clip features then-candidate Barack Obama criticizing the George W. Bush administration for using executive privilege to hide information from Congress. Obama stated at the time that he would never hide behind such privilege if elected. This historical footage is contrasted with his current administration's actions regarding the Eric Holder investigation.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [executive privilege](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-privilege.md), [transparency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transparency.md), 2007 campaign

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Chris Matthews Ethnic Flavor Comment, Race Baiting Allegations (12:29–14:44)

MSNBC host Chris Matthews and former Mayor Willie Brown suggested that the Republican pursuit of Eric Holder has an "ethnic flavor" or racial motivation. This is characterized as a "race card" strategy intended to mobilize black voters for the upcoming election. The segment also confirms that the "Gold Stupidity" clip was previously aired in September 2011 on episode 343.

Keywords: [chris matthews](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-matthews.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [willie brown](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/willie-brown.md), [eric holder](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-holder.md), race baiting, ethnic flavor

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Thom Hartmann Monkey Comment, Arizona Radio Controversy (14:46–19:33)

Talk show host Thom Hartmann highlighted a local Arizona radio host who allegedly compared President Obama to a monkey. The discussion suggests Hartmann is intentionally ratcheting up racial tensions for a national audience on Russia Today. A listener from Washington D.C. called in to express fear and outrage over the Arizona broadcast, questioning why the host was not arrested.

Keywords: [thom hartmann](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thom-hartmann.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [arizona](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/arizona.md), [russia today](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia-today.md), [race relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/race-relations.md), monkey comment

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/6.md)

### 7. G20 Summit Logo, Jose Manuel Barroso Blames North America (19:36–22:36)

The G20 summit logo is analyzed for perceived Illuminati symbolism, specifically a pyramid with a central eye. During the summit, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso blamed the global financial crisis on "unorthodox practices" originating in North America. This rhetoric is dismissed as an attempt by European leaders to deflect responsibility for the Eurozone's internal failures.

Keywords: [g20](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/g20.md), [jose manuel barroso](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jose-manuel-barroso.md), [illuminati](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illuminati.md), [financial crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/financial-crisis.md), [mexico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mexico.md), north america

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Nigel Farage Criticizes Barroso, EU Mafia Rhetoric (22:36–26:17)

Nigel Farage criticized José Manuel Barroso, calling him an "idiot" and a "communist" following Barroso's defensive comments at the G20. Barroso's speech, asserting that Europe would not take lessons in democracy or economics, is described as having the tone of a "mafia thug." The segment posits that the U.S. financial sector is systematically working to bring down the Euro to maintain dollar dominance.

Keywords: [nigel farage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nigel-farage.md), [jose manuel barroso](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jose-manuel-barroso.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [democracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy.md), [euro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/euro.md), [financial sector](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/financial-sector.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Herman Van Rompuy Economic Union Plan (26:18–29:14)

European Council President Herman Van Rompuy, referred to as "Haiku Herman," outlined a plan for deeper fiscal and economic integration within the Eurozone. He emphasized that the Euro is an "irreversible project" and promised a finalized framework for economic union by the end of the year. The hosts note his apparent stress and the repetitive nature of his reassurances to global markets.

Keywords: [herman van rompuy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/herman-van-rompuy.md), [european council](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-council.md), economic union, [fiscal integration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-integration.md), [monetary union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monetary-union.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Single Market Act II, European ID Cards, Carbon Tax (29:15–33:15)

The "Second Single Market Act" is detailed as a 12-step program to integrate 27 European nations through increased regulation. Key points include a "European marketing passport" for venture capital, mandatory professional licensing for doctors and architects, and a cross-border electronic identification (eID) framework. Point nine of the plan introduces a carbon tax based on CO2 emissions and energy content, payable to Brussels.

Keywords: single market act, biometric id, [carbon tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-tax.md), [licensing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/licensing.md), [brussels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brussels.md), [venture capital](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/venture-capital.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Finland Rejects ESM Bond Purchases, Hillary Clinton Visit (33:19–34:22)

Finland has rejected a proposal to use European Stability Mechanism (ESM) funds to purchase government bonds without collateral, potentially blocking the necessary ratification. The segment notes that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is visiting Finland simultaneously. This visit is framed as a potential move to influence or disrupt the Finnish government's stance on the Eurozone rescue fund.

Keywords: [finland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/finland.md), [esm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/esm.md), [government bonds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/government-bonds.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [collateral](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/collateral.md), euro stability

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Julian Assange Ecuador Embassy Asylum, Sweden Extradition (34:23–36:40)

Julian Assange sought asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London to avoid extradition to Sweden on sexual assault allegations. A theory is presented that the U.S. may have covertly facilitated this to avoid the embarrassment of a domestic trial. The situation is linked to Ecuador's ongoing legal dispute with Chevron over environmental pollution, suggesting Assange is being "taken out of the loop."

Keywords: [julian assange](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/julian-assange.md), [ecuador](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ecuador.md), [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [chevron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chevron.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Executive Producer Credits, John Pacificy, Jeroen Huttinga (36:41–40:52)

New executive producers are acknowledged for their financial support under the value-for-value model. John Pacificy from Tampa, Florida, and Jeroen Huttinga from Wageningen (currently based in Greece) are credited. Huttinga, a freelance worker, requested karma to help secure a new gig during the summer months in the struggling Greek economy.

Keywords: john pacificy, jeroen huttinga, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [greece](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greece.md), [freelance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freelance.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Knighting Ceremony, Alexander Selznyov, Marinov Garrison (40:53–45:33)

Alexander Selznyov and the Marinov family are recognized for their contributions, with the three Marinov children being knighted as the "Marinov Garrison." The segment also promotes the No Agenda art generator, the mobile app, and the availability of show torrents via Bitlove. It concludes with a recurring audio clip of a child using profanity to describe the show's "formula."

Keywords: alexander selznyov, [borislav marinov](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/borislav-marinov.md), [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), bitlove, [art generator](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/art-generator.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Katastroika Documentary, Privatization in Greece and Russia (45:34–47:50)

The crowdsourced documentary "Katastroika" is recommended for its analysis of austerity measures and privatization in Greece. The film draws parallels between the current Greek crisis and the privatization of Russia that created the oligarchs. It argues that public services like rail, electricity, and water are being targeted for private takeover, effectively turning citizens into "slaves."

Keywords: katastroika, [greece](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greece.md), [privatization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privatization.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [oligarchs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oligarchs.md), [austerity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austerity.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Hedge Fund Research, Sealy Posturepedic Mattress Scam (47:54–50:39)

An anecdote describes a meeting in Austin with a researcher for hedge funds who claimed responsibility for exposing a "scam" involving Sealy Posturepedic. The researcher noted the suspicious volume of mattress advertisements on television despite low consumer turnover. The hosts discuss the potential of using their deconstruction skills for financial gain in the private sector.

Keywords: [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [hedge funds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hedge-funds.md), sealy posturepedic, mattress industry, [stock market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stock-market.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Jerry Sandusky Trial, Histrionic Personality Disorder Defense (50:41–56:25)

The trial of Jerry Sandusky is discussed with a focus on "The Second Mile" charity, which has been dissolved following the scandal. Sandusky's defense is expected to utilize a diagnosis of Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) to explain his behavior. The segment also mentions a "Pedobear" mascot appearing outside the courthouse and criticizes the legal system's handling of the case.

Keywords: [jerry sandusky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerry-sandusky.md), [penn state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/penn-state.md), second mile charity, histrionic personality disorder, [pedobear](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pedobear.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/17.md)

### 18. PBS NewsHour Teasers, Adolf Hitler Segment (56:25–57:44)

The PBS NewsHour is criticized for using "shelf" content and sensationalist teasers during a slow news period. Teasers included segments on a Native American poet, labor unions, and how Americans in Germany viewed the rise of Adolf Hitler. The hosts mock the delivery and content choices of the public broadcaster.

Keywords: [pbs newshour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs-newshour.md), [adolf hitler](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adolf-hitler.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [labor unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/labor-unions.md), native american language

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Stuxnet Cyber Weapon, Morris Worm History (57:44–1:02:37)

A PBS segment claiming the U.S. was the first to use offensive cyber weapons via Stuxnet is challenged. The hosts recount the history of the Morris Worm from the 1980s and discuss long-standing Russian and Chinese cyber operations. An anecdote about Kevin Mitnick illustrates how social engineering, such as leaving "confidential" discs in offices, is used to distribute malware.

Keywords: [stuxnet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stuxnet.md), morris worm, [cyber warfare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-warfare.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), kevin mitnick, [malware](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/malware.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/19.md)

### 20. DEA Administrator Michelle Leonhart, Marijuana vs Heroin (1:02:37–1:07:34)

During a C-SPAN hearing, Representative Jared Polis grilled DEA Administrator Michelle Leonhart on the relative health risks of marijuana compared to heroin and methamphetamine. Leonhart repeatedly refused to state that marijuana is less dangerous, insisting that "all illegal drugs are bad." The exchange is highlighted as an example of law enforcement ignoring scientific data.

Keywords: michelle leonhart, [dea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dea.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [heroin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heroin.md), [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [jared polis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jared-polis.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Prescription Drug Abuse, DEA Priority Contradictions (1:07:35–1:10:44)

Representative Jared Polis continued his questioning of Michelle Leonhart, pointing out that the DEA's top priority is prescription drug abuse, which implies those drugs are a greater threat than marijuana. Leonhart struggled to reconcile the agency's priorities with its classification of marijuana as a Schedule 1 substance. Polis argued that Colorado's medical marijuana regime has successfully helped combat prescription drug addiction.

Keywords: michelle leonhart, [prescription drugs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prescription-drugs.md), painkillers, [addiction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/addiction.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [colorado](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/colorado.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Marinol Synthetic Marijuana, Abbott Labs Acquisition (1:10:45–1:14:18)

The pharmaceutical product Marinol, a synthetic form of THC known as dronabinol, is identified as a competitor to natural marijuana. Solvay Pharmaceuticals, the maker of Marinol, was recently acquired by Abbott Labs. The segment suggests that the government's continued crackdown on natural marijuana is intended to protect the market share of patented synthetic alternatives.

Keywords: [marinol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marinol.md), [abbott labs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abbott-labs.md), solvay pharmaceuticals, dronabinol, [synthetic marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/synthetic-marijuana.md), [patents](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patents.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Bath Salts Zombie Meme, Gil Kerlikowske on CNN (1:14:19–1:18:18)

CNN and White House Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske are criticized for promoting the "zombie drug" narrative regarding bath salts. The media coverage followed an attack by Rudy Eugene in Miami, which was initially blamed on the designer drug. The hosts argue that the "epidemic" is being manufactured to justify new federal legislation banning various chemical compounds.

Keywords: [bath salts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bath-salts.md), [gil kerlikowske](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gil-kerlikowske.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), zombie drug, [rudy eugene](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rudy-eugene.md), designer drugs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Public Law 107-40, Global Military Deployments (1:18:19–1:21:58)

President Obama sent a report to Congress citing Public Law 107-40 (the 2001 AUMF) to justify ongoing military operations in Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Egypt. The hosts argue that using a post-9/11 law to justify troops in Egypt or the pursuit of Joseph Kony is a "legal scam." They question how these modern conflicts relate to the original 2001 attacks against the United States.

Keywords: public law 107-40, [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [egypt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/egypt.md), kony, [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [war on terror](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/war-on-terror.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Roberto Mangabeira Unger, Obama's Professor Criticizes Administration (1:22:00–1:23:46)

Harvard Law Professor Roberto Mangabeira Unger, a former teacher of Barack Obama, released a video criticizing the Democratic Party and the President. Unger described the administration's policies as an "abdication" that merely puts a "human face" on the program of its adversaries. He criticized the reliance on fiscal stimulus and bailouts for the rich over genuine economic opportunity.

Keywords: roberto mangabeira unger, [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [harvard law](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvard-law.md), [democratic party](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democratic-party.md), [economic policy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economic-policy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Rodney King Death, Swimming Instructor Irony (1:23:46–1:26:18)

The death of Rodney King by drowning in his swimming pool is discussed in the context of his history as a swimming enthusiast and instructor. King had previously spoken to NPR about the importance of "water safety" for the black community. The hosts speculate on the suspicious nature of the death, linking it to a broader pattern of racial tension in the media involving Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.

Keywords: [rodney king](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rodney-king.md), [drowning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drowning.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [trayvon martin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trayvon-martin.md), [george zimmerman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-zimmerman.md), race violence

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Rio+20 Summit, Sustainability Definition, C-FACT Troublemakers (1:26:19–1:30:04)

The Rio+20 Earth Summit is described as a shift from "global warming" rhetoric to "sustainability" and finance. Members of the organization C-FACT attended a pre-meeting in Brazil to ask participants to define sustainability, resulting in vague answers about "happiness" and "enough for all and forever." The hosts characterize the summit as part of an Agenda 21 plan to increase government control over resources.

Keywords: rio+20, [agenda 21](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agenda-21.md), [sustainability](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sustainability.md), c-fact, [copenhagen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copenhagen.md), iclei

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/27.md)

### 28. International Conference on Degrowth, Neo-Modernism (1:30:05–1:35:46)

The "International Conference on Degrowth in the Americas" held in Montreal is highlighted for its radical environmental and economic platform. The movement advocates for the end of GDP as a measure of well-being and a voluntary decline in the importance of the economy. Described as "neo-modern," the group seeks a democratic revolution to end the "productivist consumerist model" of Western society.

Keywords: degrowth, [montreal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/montreal.md), [gdp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gdp.md), [capitalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/capitalism.md), neo-modernism, [environmentalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/environmentalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Donor Acknowledgments, Wedding Karma, IBEW Scuffle (1:35:48–1:39:52)

A series of donations are acknowledged, including wedding karma for Todd Simons and Dame Melissa. A donor from Florida mentioned an email scuffle with an IBEW union member regarding a newsletter about Leo Gerard. The hosts discuss the power of union leaders and their connections to major public relations firms like Omnicom and WPP.

Keywords: todd simons, jason geary, gregory wilcox, [ibew](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ibew.md), leo gerard, minuteman

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Job Karma Requests, Slide Whistle Debate (1:39:52–1:43:50)

Listeners Rich Semmel, Sean Pyle, and Jared Reynolds requested "job karma" and birthday shout-outs. A lighthearted debate continues regarding the use of the slide whistle during the show, with donors voting both for and against the sound effect. Jared from Port Angeles requested "trains good, planes bad" karma and a sandwich from Mimi.

Keywords: rich semmel, sean pyle, jared reynolds, [job karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/job-karma.md), [slide whistle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slide-whistle.md), [port angeles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/port-angeles.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/30.md)

### 31. South Korea Internet Identification System, Cyber Bullying Meme (1:43:50–1:46:15)

A listener in South Korea describes the country's "real name" internet identification system, which was expanded in 2009 to combat cyberbullying. The government used the suicides of celebrities as a pretext for the law, which requires users to verify their identity with citizen ID numbers. The hosts speculate that a similar "script" involving celebrity depression could be used to implement internet censorship in the West.

Keywords: [south korea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-korea.md), internet identification, cyber bullying, [kim kardashian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kim-kardashian.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/31.md)

### 32. New Listeners from TWiT, Wedding Shout-outs (1:46:15–1:50:21)

Several new listeners joined the show following Adam Curry's appearance on the TWiT network with Leo Laporte. One donor, Levi Brader Lund, requested a radio-style introduction for his bride, Caitlin, to help her approve of the podcast. Other donations came from London and South Carolina, with various requests for "getting laid" karma and Father's Day tributes.

Keywords: [leo laporte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leo-laporte.md), [twit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twit.md), [john galt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-galt.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), [wedding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wedding.md), [radio voice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radio-voice.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Knight Foundation Grant, University of Nebraska Drone Lab (1:50:27–1:54:58)

The Knight Foundation awarded a $50,000 "prototype grant" to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln's Drone Journalism Lab. Led by Professor Matt Waite, the project explores using unmanned aircraft for news gathering and data collection. The hosts criticize the grant as an "outrage," noting that the technology is inexpensive and that they have been performing "drone journalism" through reporting for years without funding.

Keywords: [knight foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knight-foundation.md), [university of nebraska](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-nebraska.md), [drone journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-journalism.md), matt waite, prototype grant

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Indian Consumer Culture, Return Policies, Karma Success (1:55:00–1:56:45)

A discussion on Quora regarding how outsiders view Americans highlights the shock Indians feel toward U.S. return policies, such as those at Costco. The hosts suggest this cultural difference explains why listeners in India rarely donate to the show. Additionally, a listener reports that "job karma" helped him pass a medical board exam despite a poor performance during the interview.

Keywords: [india](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/india.md), [costco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/costco.md), return policy, [consumerism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/consumerism.md), quora, [medical board](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-board.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Knighting of the Marinov Garrison, American Cultural Quirks (1:56:45–1:59:57)

The three sons of Sir Borislav Marinov are officially knighted into the No Agenda Roundtable. The hosts then review a list of things that shock foreigners about America, including the drinking age, spray cheese, the ability to drink tap water, and the lack of shame regarding "bastard children." They also discuss a study claiming Americans' heads are getting larger, which they link to success in television.

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), yasin marinov, simeon marinov, darren marinov, spray cheese, [tap water](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tap-water.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Syria Proxy War, John McCain's AEI Speech (1:59:57–2:05:06)

Senator John McCain delivered a speech at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) calling for military intervention in Syria. McCain accused the Assad regime of using helicopter gunships to massacre civilians and claimed Russia was refurbishing these weapons. The discussion frames the conflict as a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Russia over oil and gas pipelines to Europe.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [aei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aei.md), [bashar al-assad](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bashar-al-assad.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), helicopter gunships

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Bosnia Precedent, Coalition of the Willing for Syria (2:05:06–2:09:36)

John McCain argued that the U.S. should follow Bill Clinton's example in Bosnia and Kosovo by bypassing the UN Security Council to intervene in Syria. He called for a "coalition of the willing" to change the military balance of power on the ground. The hosts criticize McCain as a "warmonger" and suggest that Turkey is being positioned to lead the military intervention with U.S. backing.

Keywords: [john mccain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-mccain.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [bosnia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bosnia.md), [kosovo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kosovo.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [nato](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nato.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Brett McGurk Withdrawal, Ron Paul on Syria Propaganda (2:09:38–2:12:16)

Brett McGurk withdrew his nomination for Ambassador to Iraq following a scandal involving "racy" emails with a Wall Street Journal reporter, Gina Chan, whom he later married. Meanwhile, Ron Paul criticized the "war propaganda" being used to justify an attack on Syria, calling the evidence "bogus." The hosts note that Syria has been on a Pentagon "hit list" for over a decade.

Keywords: brett mcgurk, gina chan, iraq ambassador, [ron paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-paul.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Syrian Listener Feedback, Damascus Broadcast Invitation (2:12:17–2:15:09)

Listeners from Syria and Lebanon provide feedback on the possibility of Adam Curry traveling to Damascus for an interview. They warn that the NBN station is linked to the Amal movement and that Curry would be framed as a "rebel against the West" due to his MTV past. One listener suggests Beirut as a safer alternative, while another recommends a specific club in Damascus called the Crazy Horse.

Keywords: [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), [damascus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/damascus.md), [beirut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beirut.md), [mtv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mtv.md), nbn, [pipeline theory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pipeline-theory.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/39.md)

### 40. State Department Warnings, Leo Laporte's Big Bottom Comment (2:15:12–2:19:21)

A listener warns Adam Curry that the invitation to Syria could be a trap to take him "off the grid" and away from U.S. law. The conversation shifts to Leo Laporte's recent comments about Curry's "huge voice" and his use of a "Big Bottom" audio processor. Curry explains his studio setup, which includes a "Warsanis" box that provides his signature sound.

Keywords: [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md), [damascus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/damascus.md), [leo laporte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leo-laporte.md), big bottom, warsanis, podcasting rig

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Gardasil Marketing for Older Women, HPV Testing False Positives (2:19:22–2:22:03)

Merck is reportedly targeting women over the age of 26 for the Gardasil HPV vaccine. The hosts describe a "script" where high-throughput testing machines are allegedly rigged to produce false positives, leading to unnecessary and painful biopsies. This process is characterized as a fear-based marketing tactic to drive vaccine sales among adult women.

Keywords: [gardasil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gardasil.md), [hpv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hpv.md), [merck](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merck.md), [cancer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cancer.md), [biopsy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/biopsy.md), [false positives](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/false-positives.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/41.md)

### 42. West Nile Virus in Plano, DEET Side Effects (2:22:04–2:24:22)

A West Nile virus outbreak in Plano, Texas, has led officials to recommend the "four Ds" of protection, including the use of DEET. A producer's research into DEET reveals potential side effects such as altered mental states, parathesias, and "grandiose delusions." The hosts joke that being "belligerent" from DEET exposure could make a citizen a target for drone surveillance.

Keywords: [west nile virus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/west-nile-virus.md), [plano](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plano.md), deet, insect repellent, grandiose delusions

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/42.md)

### 43. FOIA Requests on Drones, Targeted Killing of U.S. Citizens (2:24:23–2:28:38)

The New York Times and the ACLU filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests regarding the targeted killing of American citizens by drones. The CIA and DOJ responded by stating they cannot confirm or deny the existence of such records due to national security concerns. A UN investigator has also warned that U.S. drone strikes may challenge international law, particularly when conducted outside of recognized war zones.

Keywords: [foia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/foia.md), [aclu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aclu.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [department of justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-justice.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [targeted killing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/targeted-killing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/43.md)

### 44. New Silk Road Railway, Belarus Syria Connection (2:28:39–2:32:16)

China is developing a "New Silk Road" railway spanning 10,000 kilometers to connect Asian trading hubs with Rotterdam and Antwerp. The route passes through Belarus, which has recently been accused of providing Syria with deadly military technology. The hosts discuss the geopolitical implications of the rail link and the perceived failure of Russian and Chinese propaganda compared to Western media.

Keywords: [silk road](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silk-road.md), [railway](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/railway.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [belarus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belarus.md), [vladivostok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladivostok.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Russia Today Consulting, Yana the Journalist (2:32:16–2:37:21)

The hosts critique the production quality and talent on Russia Today (RT), suggesting they could improve the network's propaganda as consultants. They discover a Russian journalist named Yana on a dating site who has a degree in journalism and fits their "anchor" criteria. They jokingly offer their services to Vladimir Putin to replace current hosts like Thom Hartmann and Max Keiser with "smoking hot" talent.

Keywords: [russia today](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia-today.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), yana, [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [consulting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/consulting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Euro 2012 Predictions, Germany vs Greece (2:37:23–2:41:46)

Predictions are made for the remaining Euro 2012 football matches, including the upcoming Germany vs. Greece game in Gdańsk. The hosts debate whether Greece will pull off an upset or if Germany will win to maintain political order. Other predictions include Spain beating France and Italy defeating England, with the tournament being viewed through a "geo-socio-political" lens.

Keywords: [euro 2012](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/euro-2012.md), [uefa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uefa.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [greece](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greece.md), [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Outro, Mold Poisoning, Episode 419 Sign-off (2:41:48–2:43:28)

The show concludes with a mention of a host's ongoing struggle with mold poisoning. Listeners are reminded to support the value-for-value model and look forward to the upcoming "420" episode. The hosts sign off from Austin, Texas, and Northern Silicon Valley.

Keywords: mold poisoning, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), 420 club, [austin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/419-degrowth/chapter/47.md)

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