# Planes Trains and Lyndon LaRouche > Economic instability looms as Lyndon LaRouche forecasts the rise of the Amero while intelligence agencies consolidate power under a single national security czar. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 41 - **Published:** 2008-08-03 - **Length:** 1h 35m - **Topics:** [Lyndon LaRouche](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lyndon-larouche.md), Amero currency, [Bruce Ivins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruce-ivins.md), [High-speed rail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/high-speed-rail.md), Mike McConnell, [Blackwater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackwater.md), [Beijing Olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beijing-olympics.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche ## About this episode Lyndon LaRouche predicts a total collapse of the U.S. dollar and a transition to a North American Union using a purely electronic currency called the Amero. This forecast follows a July 22nd webcast where LaRouche alleged that George Soros and British interests are funding Barack Obama to dismantle the American political landscape. The economic outlook remains grim as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac face insolvency while U.S. auto manufacturers report staggering losses of $15.5 billion. Mike McConnell now oversees a consolidated intelligence apparatus including the CIA, NSA, and FBI, sparking concerns over private security firms like Blackwater operating domestically. In the United Kingdom, realtors are slashing asking prices by 25 percent as the housing market mirrors the subprime collapse in California. Meanwhile, the FBI investigation into the death of anthrax scientist Bruce Ivins faces scrutiny following claims of a Tylenol-induced suicide. International tensions rise as high-level pedophile networks in Belgium and the Island of Jersey are linked to potential political blackmail schemes involving the Marc Dutroux case. In Beijing, air pollution remains a critical threat to the Olympics despite the deployment of industrial electrostatic precipitators. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak navigate technical failures and virtual routing issues before discussing the dangerous hobby of train surfing. A terminally ill man known as Bruno the Kid recently filmed himself clinging to a German ICE train at 330 kilometers per hour using industrial suction cups. The hosts also praise Dan Rather for his investigative work on HDNet while mocking the repetitive media talking points exposed by Jon Stewart and David Letterman. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/transcript.md. ### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Technical Difficulties and Software Updates (0:01–3:32) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from the United Kingdom and Northern California, respectively. They describe a 21-minute delay caused by audio routing issues and reverb plates. Curry suspects a recent Mac software update or a new version of Skype may have misconfigured his virtual routing device network. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [curry manor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/curry-manor.md), [software update](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/software-update.md), routing, [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [mac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mac.md), [windows](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Software Availability, PC vs Mac and Download Site Quality (3:32–7:29) The discussion compares the volume of software available for Windows PCs versus Apple Macs. While PCs offer more options for specific tools like Flash to AVI converters, the hosts note that users must often wade through spyware and deceptive websites. They recommend trusted repositories such as Version Tracker and Tucows while lamenting the decline of user-friendly download interfaces. Keywords: [mac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mac.md), pc, flash converter, [spyware](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spyware.md), version tracker, tucows, freeloader [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Drop.io Twitter Integration, Micro-blogging and RSS Feed Adoption (7:30–11:28) A host describes an accidental "bonehead move" where a test message on Drop.io automatically posted to Twitter, leading thousands of followers to flood the service with notes. The conversation shifts to the mechanics of micro-blogging, noting that Twitter acts as a push technology compared to traditional blogs. They observe that while blog traffic is high, only a small fraction of users utilize RSS feeds. Keywords: [drop.io](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drop-io.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), micro-blogging, [rss feeds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rss-feeds.md), [daily source code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daily-source-code.md), [automation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/automation.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Executive Order Consolidation, National Security and Private Security Firms (11:29–13:52) A new executive order reportedly consolidates oversight of the CIA, NSA, and FBI under a single national security official, Mike McConnell. Concerns are raised regarding the creation of a new layer of bureaucracy and the potential for private companies like Blackwater to handle domestic security. The discussion touches on fears regarding FEMA detention camps and increased government surveillance. Keywords: [executive order](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-order.md), mike mcconnell, [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [blackwater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackwater.md), [fema](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fema.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/4.md) ### 5. US Financial History, Wall Street and the Civil War (13:53–17:04) The conversation draws parallels between the current US financial state and the bankruptcy of the government following the Buchanan administration in the 1860s. They discuss how Wall Street financed the Civil War to keep the country together. Modern variables are introduced, including the global dependence on oil and China's strategy of stockpiling resources to hedge against a devaluing dollar. Keywords: [civil war](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civil-war.md), [wall street](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wall-street.md), [james buchanan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-buchanan.md), [gold standard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gold-standard.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Global Economic Meltdown, Oil Prices and Halliburton Production Costs (17:05–22:53) The hosts analyze the insolvency of major financial institutions, including the failure of the Bank of Florida and the subsidization of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They debate the relationship between oil prices and the dollar, with one host citing a Halliburton source regarding the skyrocketing costs of oil derricks due to Chinese demand. They predict a rapid collapse of the current financial bubble. Keywords: [fannie mae](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fannie-mae.md), [freddie mac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freddie-mac.md), [fdic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fdic.md), [oil prices](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oil-prices.md), [halliburton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/halliburton.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [interest rates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/interest-rates.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Real Estate Market Collapse, California Housing and UK Realtors (22:54–26:13) The discussion focuses on the collapse of the housing market, noting that prime mortgages are now seeing defaults alongside subprime loans. In California, housing starts have halted despite demographic shifts. Curry shares an anecdote from the UK where realtors are aggressively cutting asking prices by 25% before potential buyers even view a property. Keywords: [subprime mortgages](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subprime-mortgages.md), california real estate, housing starts, [interest rates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/interest-rates.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Lyndon LaRouche, Global Financial Collapse and the Amero (26:15–29:27) The hosts discuss the political figure Lyndon LaRouche and his recent international webcast from Washington D.C. on July 22nd. LaRouche predicts a total collapse of the dollar and a transition to a North American Union featuring the "Amero" as a purely electronic currency. The conversation also touches on LaRouche's views on George Soros and his perceived anti-British stance. Keywords: [lyndon larouche](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lyndon-larouche.md), [george soros](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-soros.md), [north american union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-american-union.md), [amero](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amero.md), [electronic money](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electronic-money.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Stock Market Bottom, Fannie Mae Debt and Auto Industry Losses (29:27–34:11) A debate ensues regarding whether the US economy has reached its bottom, with Dvorak predicting a boom in 2009 before a full depression in 2012. They compare the off-book accounting of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the Enron scandal. The segment also highlights the $15.5 billion in losses reported by US auto manufacturers and the resulting threat to employment. Keywords: [stock market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stock-market.md), [fannie mae](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fannie-mae.md), [freddie mac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/freddie-mac.md), [enron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/enron.md), [detroit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detroit.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/9.md) ### 10. US Public Transportation, Amtrak Efficiency and Airline Bankruptcy (34:13–37:57) The hosts critique the inefficiency of the US rail system, specifically the Amtrak route from the Bay Area to Seattle which averages only 39 miles per hour. They argue that doubling the speed would make rail competitive with driving and flying. The discussion also mentions the financial instability of airlines, citing the potential bankruptcy of Martin Air. Keywords: [amtrak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amtrak.md), [klm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/klm.md), martin air, [public transit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-transit.md), [seattle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seattle.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/10.md) ### 11. High-Speed Rail, European Trains and the Grapevine Mountain Range (37:58–41:33) The feasibility of high-speed rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles is questioned due to the geography of the Grapevine mountains. Dvorak describes the experience of riding European high-speed trains like the TGV to Bordeaux, noting that while fast, the views are often obscured by concrete walls designed to prevent accidents. Keywords: [high-speed rail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/high-speed-rail.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), grapevine, [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [bordeaux](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bordeaux.md), [tgv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tgv.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Train Surfing, Bruno the Kid and Germany's ICE Train (41:35–44:05) An anecdote is shared regarding a terminally ill man known as "Bruno the Kid" who filmed himself "surfing" on the back of Germany's high-speed ICE train using industrial suction cups. The train reached speeds of 330 km per hour. The hosts also discuss the convenience of the ICE train for commuters attending the CeBIT show in Hanover. Keywords: bruno the kid, train surfing, [ice train](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ice-train.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [youtube](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube.md), [leukemia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leukemia.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Bruce Ivins, Anthrax Investigation and Tylenol Suicide Theory (44:05–49:24) The hosts discuss the death of Bruce Ivins, the government scientist linked to the post-9/11 anthrax letters. They express skepticism regarding the official report that Ivins committed suicide using massive quantities of Tylenol and codeine. They suggest the death may have been an assassination or a "wacky" event designed to discredit conspiracy theorists. Keywords: [bruce ivins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bruce-ivins.md), [anthrax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthrax.md), [9-11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), [tylenol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tylenol.md), [codeine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/codeine.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [suicide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suicide.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Jill Dando Murder, Barry George Exoneration and Retaliation Theories (49:25–52:50) The 1999 murder of British television presenter Jill Dando is revisited following the exoneration of Barry George. The hosts discuss theories that Dando was assassinated by a professional hitman as retaliation for the NATO bombing of a Serbian television station during the Bosnian War. They question the original conviction of George, who has a low IQ. Keywords: jill dando, barry george, bosnian war, [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md), browning, [assassination](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/assassination.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Dan Rather, HDNet and Old-Fashioned Investigative Reporting (52:51–54:22) The hosts comment on Dan Rather's current work for Mark Cuban's HDNet. They praise his expensive, old-fashioned style of investigative reporting on topics like the U.S.-Mexico border drug trade, but lament that such content has little impact because it is not picked up by the 24-hour news cycle of major networks. Keywords: [dan rather](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dan-rather.md), hdnet, [mark cuban](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-cuban.md), border wars, [journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/journalism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/15.md) ### 16. MIT Solar Discovery, Hydrogen Storage and Polyunsaturated Oils (54:23–1:00:07) Dvorak dismisses a "major discovery" from MIT regarding solar-powered hydrolysis as a publicity stunt. He details the physical difficulties of storing hydrogen, noting that the atoms are small enough to leach through steel tanks. He also explains the industrial process of using hydrogen to saturate polyunsaturated oils to create margarine. Keywords: [mit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mit.md), daniel nocera, [hydrogen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hydrogen.md), hydrolysis, [margarine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/margarine.md), safflower oil [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars, Hydroxy Boosters and Engine Performance (1:00:07–1:04:37) The hosts discuss the practical drawbacks of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, including the high-pitched "screeching" noise they emit and the danger of 10,000 PSI pressurized tanks. Curry shares his personal experience using a "hydroxy booster" in his car, debating whether his improved fuel mileage is due to the device or changes in his driving habits and engine management. Keywords: fuel cell, hydrogen car, [hydroxy booster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hydroxy-booster.md), engine management, [cruise control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cruise-control.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Ron Paul Rally, Jesse Ventura and Autographed Baseballs (1:04:39–1:07:00) Adam Curry prepares to attend the "Rally for the Republic" in Minneapolis, where Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura are scheduled to speak. Dvorak expresses an interest in starting a collection of autographs specifically on baseballs, requesting that Curry obtain signatures from the political figures at the event. Keywords: [ron paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-paul.md), [jesse ventura](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jesse-ventura.md), rally for the republic, [minneapolis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minneapolis.md), [baseball](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/baseball.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Barack Obama, George Soros and British Influence Claims (1:07:02–1:10:49) The hosts discuss Lyndon LaRouche's claims that Barack Obama is a "programmed" candidate funded by George Soros to destroy Hillary Clinton's campaign. They explore the theory that Soros represents British interests and discuss his historical role in the devaluation of the British pound. Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [george soros](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-soros.md), [lyndon larouche](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lyndon-larouche.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [moveon.org](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moveon-org.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Open Source Software, Joomla vs WordPress and Technical Obsolescence (1:10:50–1:14:40) A host recounts the difficulty of updating a website built on the Joomla content management system after two years of inactivity. The discussion touches on the lack of user-friendliness in open-source projects and the rapid obsolescence of technical knowledge, using the difficulty of navigating Windows 3.1's File Manager as an example. Keywords: joomla, [wordpress](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wordpress.md), [open source](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/open-source.md), windows 3.1, [web 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/web-2-0.md), technical debt [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Media Talking Points, Jon Stewart and David Letterman (1:14:41–1:18:42) The hosts analyze how late-night comedians Jon Stewart and David Letterman use montages to expose repetitive media talking points, such as the "veepstakes." They praise Letterman's "Great Moments in Presidential Speeches" segment, which frequently highlights verbal gaffes by President George W. Bush. Keywords: [jon stewart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jon-stewart.md), [david letterman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-letterman.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), veepstakes, [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Max Mosley, Privacy Law and the Formula One Scandal (1:18:43–1:21:13) Max Mosley, the head of Formula One, won a privacy lawsuit against the News of the World after the publication featured photos of him in a "Nazi-themed" sex orgy. The hosts discuss the legal distinction made by the judge regarding privacy rights in Europe versus the United States, noting Mosley was awarded 60,000 pounds. Keywords: max mosley, [formula one](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/formula-one.md), [news of the world](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/news-of-the-world.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [nazi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nazi.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Pedophile Networks, Marc Dutroux and the Jersey Orphanage Discovery (1:21:14–1:26:16) The discussion turns to historical and emerging reports of high-level pedophile networks in Europe, referencing the Marc Dutroux case in Belgium. They discuss a current investigation on the Island of Jersey involving a former orphanage where a bunker containing torture chambers and remains was allegedly discovered. They suggest these networks are used for political blackmail. Keywords: [marc dutroux](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marc-dutroux.md), [belgium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/belgium.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), island of jersey, orphanage, [blackmail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackmail.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/23.md) ### 24. China Olympics, Air Pollution and Electrostatic Precipitators (1:26:17–1:31:03) As the Beijing Olympics approach, the hosts discuss the severe air pollution in China despite government efforts to clear the air. Dvorak explains the technology of electrostatic precipitators used in industrial smokestacks to remove particulates. They also mention the bankruptcy of The Sharper Image and the impact of the Olympics on China's political climate. Keywords: [beijing olympics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beijing-olympics.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [air pollution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-pollution.md), electrostatic precipitator, sharper image [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/24.md) ### 25. Rush Limbaugh, Presidential Phone Calls and Podcast Content (1:31:03–1:33:48) Rush Limbaugh celebrated his 20th anniversary on air with a joint congratulatory phone call from George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Jeb Bush. The hosts also critique a recent episode of "This Week in Tech" (TWiT) hosted by Leo Laporte, noting a lack of news content during the summer months. Keywords: [rush limbaugh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rush-limbaugh.md), [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [jeb bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeb-bush.md), [leo laporte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leo-laporte.md), [twit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twit.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/41-planes-trains-and-lyndon-larouche/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Show Outro and Final Homework (1:33:51–1:35:01) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak conclude the episode by assigning "homework" to the listeners regarding the Jill Dando and Lyndon LaRouche stories. They sign off from their respective locations in the UK and California, promising to return the following week. 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