# CIA vs MI6

> Intelligence agency infighting spills into the public record as the UK phone hacking scandal reveals deeper ties between the Murdoch empire and global espionage networks.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 323
- **Published:** 2011-07-21
- **Length:** 2h 29m
- **Topics:** MI6 vs CIA, [Phone Hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phone-hacking.md), CERN Climate, Cyprus Explosion, [Drone Strikes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drone-strikes.md), [Eurobonds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurobonds.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6

## About this episode

The UK phone hacking scandal involving News International and Piers Morgan is a proxy war between MI6, the CIA, and the FBI. Prime Minister David Cameron faces intense scrutiny in Parliament over his ties to Andy Coulson and the BSkyB bid as whistleblowers George Webley and Sean Hoare are found dead under suspicious circumstances. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, allegedly funded by intelligence-linked David Potter, releases a report on US drone casualties in Pakistan that directly challenges Pentagon narratives.

Global tensions escalate as a massive explosion at a Cypriot army base destroys the island's power grid, revealing a struggle for oil interests between Russia and Turkey. In the United States, President Obama nominates Richard Cordray to lead the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau while the military navigates the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. Scientific integrity is questioned as CERN researchers are reportedly instructed to suppress cosmic ray data that conflicts with established climate models, and Harvard psychologist Marc Hauser resigns amid a data falsification scandal.

Adam Curry reports live from a campground in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, while navigating the technical hurdles of the Hot Pockets 2008 RV tour. John C. Dvorak breaks out a physical train whistle to celebrate the producer community as they analyze the Japanese Women's World Cup victory as a rigged morale boost for the post-Fukushima economy. The duo explores the Biltmore Estate and mocks the irony of its forty-three inaccessible bathrooms.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Episode 323, Reporting from South Carolina (0:01–1:35)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 323 of the No Agenda show on July 21, 2011. Curry reports live from a campground in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, while Dvorak joins from Northern Silicon Valley. The hosts greet the audience and the live chat room participants at noagendastream.com.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [south carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-carolina.md), mount pleasant

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Hot Pockets 2008 Tour, Mobile Connectivity Challenges (1:36–4:57)

Curry provides an update on the technical logistics of the "Hot Pockets 2008 Tour" while traveling in an RV. He describes managing multiple 3G networks including AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to maintain a broadcast signal despite campground Wi-Fi issues. The discussion covers the difficulties of jailbreaking iPhones for tethering and Verizon's restrictive bandwidth policies.

Keywords: 3g connection, [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), [verizon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/verizon.md), [t-mobile](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/t-mobile.md), wireless tethering

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Meeting Jimmy from Free Hollow Books, Virginia (4:58–7:18)

The tour stopped in Salem, Virginia, to meet with Jimmy from Free Hollow Books, who provided the crew with homegrown produce. Curry notes that many listeners work for government agencies or organizations with high-level security clearances. These individuals reportedly use the show as a psychological release from their professional roles within "evil organizations."

Keywords: jimmy, free hollow books, [salem](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/salem.md), [virginia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virginia.md), [security clearances](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-clearances.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Asheville Meetup, Stewart Green's Trailer Park (7:19–8:41)

Curry describes visiting Stewart Green's well-maintained trailer park in North Carolina before attending a last-minute meetup in Asheville. The event was attended by various producers, including Lauren Clawhammer. The hosts remark on the hospitality of the local community and the scenic drive through the region.

Keywords: stewart green, [asheville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/asheville.md), [north carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-carolina.md), trailer park, [meetup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetup.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Producer Donations, Satellite Internet Limitations (8:43–10:18)

Curry acknowledges donations from producers Ciro Picirio and Glenn Woodfin, the latter of whom provided silver dollars. A listener named Jerry shared his struggles with satellite internet in the mountains, which is limited to 400 megabytes per day. This limitation forces him to be selective about which podcast episodes he can download.

Keywords: ciro picirio, glenn woodfin, silver dollars, [satellite internet](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satellite-internet.md), bandwidth caps

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Biltmore Estate Visit, Anderson Cooper Irony (10:20–13:09)

The tour visited the Biltmore Estate in Asheville, the largest privately owned house in the United States. Curry complains about the forty-dollar admission fee and the irony of the house having forty-three bathrooms that visitors cannot use. He jokingly refers to the estate as the family home of "Anderson Vanderbilt Pooper."

Keywords: biltmore estate, george vanderbilt, [asheville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/asheville.md), [anderson cooper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anderson-cooper.md), robber barons

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Live Oak Farms, Solar Powered Agriculture (13:10–14:47)

The crew visited Live Oak Farms north of Charleston, South Carolina, which operates entirely on solar power. Curry describes purchasing raw milk, fresh eggs, and homemade jam from the facility, which utilizes fifty large solar panels. He also mentions missing a planned stop at an Exxon station owned by listeners Marvin and Joshua due to scheduling constraints.

Keywords: live oak farms, [charleston](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/charleston.md), [raw milk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raw-milk.md), [solar panels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/solar-panels.md), [agriculture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agriculture.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/7.md)

### 8. C-SPAN Coverage, UK Parliament Hearings (14:49–16:18)

Curry criticizes C-SPAN for broadcasting British parliamentary hearings instead of focusing on United States government activities. He argues that the UK phone hacking scandal is being used as a distraction from domestic budget issues. The hosts suggest that C-SPAN is neglecting its primary duty to monitor the American government.

Keywords: [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [uk parliament](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk-parliament.md), phone hacking scandal, budget debate, [media distraction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-distraction.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Rigged Sports, Japanese Women's World Cup Victory (16:19–18:05)

The hosts claim that the Japanese victory in the Women's World Cup was rigged to provide an economic and morale boost following the Fukushima disaster. They argue that professional sports are often manipulated for political or social reasons. This theory posits that the United States team was permitted to lose to facilitate this narrative.

Keywords: [women's world cup](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/women-s-world-cup.md), [japan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/japan.md), [fukushima](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fukushima.md), [rigged sports](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rigged-sports.md), [soccer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soccer.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/9.md)

### 10. NASCAR Army Car Win, MK Ultra Theory (18:06–20:55)

A recent NASCAR race where the Army-sponsored car won is cited as evidence of rigged outcomes in professional racing. The hosts discuss a congresswoman's complaints about government funding for racing sponsorships and jokingly suggest she is under MK Ultra mind control. They also touch upon the history of NASCAR originating from moonshine running in the South.

Keywords: [nascar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nascar.md), army car, tony stewart, [mk ultra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mk-ultra.md), military sponsorship

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/10.md)

### 11. UK Parliament Theatrics, Claire Perry Moon Landing Comments (20:56–24:16)

The hosts review clips from the UK Parliament, comparing the behavior of MPs to Monty Python characters. MP Claire Perry is heard referencing the anniversary of the moon landing and "conspiracy theorists" while questioning the Prime Minister. The discussion explains "Checkers" as a government-owned country house used for official and social gatherings.

Keywords: [david cameron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-cameron.md), claire perry, [moon landing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moon-landing.md), [checkers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/checkers.md), [uk parliament](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uk-parliament.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Phone Hacking Scandal, Intelligence Agency Rivalries (24:17–27:41)

The hosts theorize that the UK phone hacking scandal is actually a proxy war between intelligence agencies like MI6, the CIA, and the FBI. They criticize mainstream media outlets like NPR and the New York Times for their enthusiastic coverage of the scandal. The segment also touches on David Cameron's use of the Americanism "the buck stops here."

Keywords: [phone hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phone-hacking.md), [mi6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mi6.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/12.md)

### 13. David Cameron, Refusal to Answer Direct Questions (27:42–32:09)

Clips from parliamentary hearings show Prime Minister David Cameron repeatedly refusing to name the company hired to perform background checks on Andy Coulson. MPs John Cryer and Denis Skinner challenge Cameron on his meetings with News International regarding the BSkyB bid. Cameron is also heard muttering "gotcha" under his breath during a heated exchange.

Keywords: [david cameron](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-cameron.md), john cryer, denis skinner, coulson, [background checks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/background-checks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Media Hypocrisy, Government Surveillance vs. Tabloid Tactics (32:10–35:27)

The hosts argue that the public outrage over tabloid phone hacking is misplaced compared to the lack of concern regarding mass government surveillance. They cite programs like Echelon and the AT&T "vacuum cleaner" building in San Francisco as examples of systemic privacy violations. They suggest the media focuses on Murdoch to avoid reporting on government crimes.

Keywords: [phone tapping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phone-tapping.md), [echelon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/echelon.md), [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [rupert murdoch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rupert-murdoch.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Louise Mensch, Piers Morgan Phone Hacking Allegations (35:28–41:51)

MP Louise Mensch accused Piers Morgan of being open about using phone hacking during his time as an editor at the Daily Mirror. Morgan appeared on CNN with Wolf Blitzer to vehemently deny the allegations, calling Mensch a coward for not repeating the claims outside of parliamentary privilege. The hosts discuss the potential for edited manuscripts of Morgan's book containing incriminating anecdotes.

Keywords: [louise mensch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/louise-mensch.md), [piers morgan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/piers-morgan.md), [wolf blitzer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wolf-blitzer.md), [daily mirror](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daily-mirror.md), parliamentary privilege

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Whistleblower Deaths, George Webley and Sean Hoare (41:52–44:26)

The deaths of two whistleblowers related to the phone hacking scandal, George Webley and Sean Hoare, are discussed as suspicious events. Webley, a BBC composer and host, died in May, while Hoare was found dead more recently. The hosts suggest that the scandal involves deeper intelligence connections than the media is reporting.

Keywords: george webley, sean hoare, [whistleblowers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/whistleblowers.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [heart attack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/heart-attack.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Bureau of Investigative Journalism, Drone Strike Casualties (44:26–46:50)

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism released a report claiming that US drone strikes in Pakistan have killed significantly more civilians than the Pentagon admits. The report identifies specific children and individuals killed since August 2010. The US government has rejected these findings, maintaining that no civilians were killed during the period in question.

Keywords: [bureau of investigative journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bureau-of-investigative-journalism.md), [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [civilian casualties](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/civilian-casualties.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/17.md)

### 18. David Potter, Scion and MI6 Connections (46:51–50:12)

The hosts investigate David Potter, the founder of Scion and a primary funder of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. They speculate that Potter's history in the tech industry, including the creation of Symbian, suggests deep ties to British intelligence. They propose that the Bureau's reporting on US drone strikes may be part of an MI6 operation against the CIA.

Keywords: david potter, scion, [symbian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/symbian.md), [mi6](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mi6.md), intelligence funding

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Executive Producer John Turek, Rocky Mountain Logistics (50:14–54:27)

John Turek is thanked as an Executive Producer for the episode. The hosts discuss his career move from a large ISP to a smaller school and debate whether the RV tour should attempt to cross the Rocky Mountains to reach Denver. They express concern that the vehicle may not handle the steep grades and high altitudes of the mountain range.

Keywords: john turek, [comcast](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comcast.md), [pennsylvania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pennsylvania.md), [rocky mountains](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rocky-mountains.md), [denver](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denver.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/19.md)

### 20. No Agenda PR, New Domain Names and Products (54:27–57:58)

The hosts list several new domain names and products created by the "No Agenda" community, including isahappyslave.com and a dedicated card game. They promote handcrafted iPad stands featuring the show's logo and a new meetup organization website. A portion of the proceeds from these community-driven projects supports the show's production.

Keywords: isahappyslave.com, no agenda card game, ipad stands, [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [domains](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/domains.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Propagating the Formula, Mind Controlled Children (57:58–59:52)

Curry describes the success of the show's branding, noting that children of listeners on the road have memorized the show's jingles and slogans. He emphasizes the importance of "propagating the formula" to grow the audience. The hosts joke about the lack of signage on the RV and the "mind control" effect of their repetitive audio elements.

Keywords: propagating the formula, [jingles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jingles.md), [mind control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mind-control.md), [road trip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/road-trip.md), [branding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/branding.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Contessa Brewer, MSNBC Debt Ceiling Interview (59:53–1:02:22)

MSNBC anchor Contessa Brewer is criticized for her interview style during a discussion on the US debt ceiling. The hosts play a clip where Brewer questions a congressman's authority by asking if he is an economist. They argue that the media often invites guests only to undermine their expertise for entertainment purposes.

Keywords: contessa brewer, [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [debt ceiling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-ceiling.md), [economics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economics.md), [media criticism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-criticism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Don't Ask Don't Tell, Graphic Military Abuse Stories (1:02:22–1:06:33)

The hosts discuss the ongoing transition regarding the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in the US military. They play clips of graphic stories involving the abuse of gay service members, which they suggest are being used as propaganda to delay or manipulate the repeal process. They express skepticism about the authenticity of some of the more extreme accounts.

Keywords: [don't ask don't tell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/don-t-ask-don-t-tell.md), [military](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military.md), [obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obama.md), [sexual assault](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sexual-assault.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Hillary Clinton, Afghanistan Withdrawal and India Relations (1:06:34–1:09:35)

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is heard speaking in Istanbul and India regarding the US commitment to Afghanistan. She clarifies that while combat troops are drawing down, the US is not "leaving or disengaging" from the region. The hosts interpret this as a signal that the US military presence will remain permanent despite withdrawal narratives.

Keywords: [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [india](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/india.md), [istanbul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/istanbul.md), [troop withdrawal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/troop-withdrawal.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Intelligence Agency Infighting, Shredding Servers (1:09:36–1:12:19)

A producer with inside information reports on "warring factions" within US intelligence agencies regarding drone programs. The source claims that expensive servers are sometimes shredded simply because software won't run on them, illustrating government waste. Curry describes the physical process of industrial hard drive shredding used to destroy data.

Keywords: drone programs, [langley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/langley.md), server shredding, hard drive destruction, [intelligence agencies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence-agencies.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/25.md)

### 26. LulzSec Hacking, Terry Jacks Code Theory (1:12:20–1:17:24)

The hacking group LulzSec targeted Rupert Murdoch's "The Sun" website, redirecting it to a Twitter account claiming Murdoch had died. The hosts analyze the group's use of the 1974 song "Seasons in the Sun" by Terry Jacks, theorizing that the lyrics contain coded messages for intelligence agencies. They question why LulzSec's social media accounts remain active if they are truly a threat.

Keywords: [lulzsec](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lulzsec.md), [rupert murdoch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rupert-murdoch.md), terry jacks, [hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hacking.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/26.md)

### 27. BBC Science Reporting, Marginal Opinions Study (1:17:25–1:20:07)

A review of BBC science coverage by Professor Steve Jones suggests the network should stop giving "false balance" to marginal opinions on topics like global warming and vaccines. The BBC announced it would appoint a science editor to ensure reports align with scientific consensus. The hosts criticize this as a move toward government-sanctioned agendas and the suppression of dissent.

Keywords: [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [steve jones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-jones.md), [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md), [scientific consensus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scientific-consensus.md), impartiality

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/27.md)

### 28. CERN Cloud Experiment, Solar Activity and Climate (1:20:10–1:22:05)

Scientists at CERN have reportedly found a link between cosmic rays and cloud formation, which could significantly impact global temperatures. The hosts claim that the director of CERN instructed researchers not to interpret the results to avoid conflicting with established global warming narratives. They suggest this information is being suppressed to protect carbon tax initiatives.

Keywords: [cern](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cern.md), [cosmic rays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cosmic-rays.md), cloud formation, [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md), [solar activity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/solar-activity.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Marc Hauser, Harvard Falsification Scandal (1:22:05–1:23:56)

Harvard behavioral psychologist Marc Hauser resigned following an inquiry into the falsification of data in his research on monkeys. The hosts find the New York Times coverage of the story vague and "screwy," noting that the specific nature of his wrongdoing was not clearly explained. They question why mundane research on baboons would lead to such a high-profile scandal.

Keywords: marc hauser, [harvard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harvard.md), [behavioral psychology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/behavioral-psychology.md), baboons, data falsification

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Bristol City Council, Zombie Apocalypse Contingency Plan (1:23:57–1:28:44)

The Bristol City Council released a document outlining contingency plans for a "zombie outbreak" in response to a Freedom of Information request. While the Guardian presented the story as a joke, the hosts discuss the trend of government agencies, including the CDC, using zombie scenarios for disaster preparedness. They debate whether these documents are purely tongue-in-cheek or serve a darker purpose.

Keywords: [bristol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bristol.md), [zombie apocalypse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zombie-apocalypse.md), [the guardian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-guardian.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), contingency plans

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Richard Cordray, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (1:28:46–1:33:20)

President Obama nominated Richard Cordray to lead the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, bypassing Elizabeth Warren who had been setting up the agency. The hosts highlight Cordray's background as a five-time Jeopardy! champion and former Attorney General of Ohio. They mock the "whole bunch of things" Obama claimed the agency is already doing for consumers.

Keywords: [richard cordray](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-cordray.md), [elizabeth warren](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elizabeth-warren.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [cfpb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cfpb.md), [jeopardy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeopardy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Eurobonds, European Debt Crisis and Handshakes (1:33:22–1:37:27)

The hosts discuss the potential implementation of "Eurobonds" to stabilize the European economy following Italy's debt downgrade. They clarify that Eurobonds are a specific financial instrument not limited to Europe. The segment also notes a "dead fish" handshake between Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel during their recent meeting on the crisis.

Keywords: [eurobonds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eurobonds.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [angela merkel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/angela-merkel.md), [nicolas sarkozy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nicolas-sarkozy.md), [debt crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-crisis.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Knighting Ceremony, Producer Donations and Coins (1:37:28–1:40:21)

The hosts acknowledge several high-level donors, including Sir Thomas and Sir Jason Stevens. They discuss "bumping rings" with knights of the show and exchange stories about collecting challenge coins and World Bank pens. David Rudolph Baker is thanked for his contribution toward the No Agenda iPad stands project.

Keywords: [sir thomas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sir-thomas.md), sir jason stevens, [challenge coins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/challenge-coins.md), [world bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-bank.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Healthcare Costs, Birthday Shoutouts (1:40:21–1:42:48)

A listener reports a $3,300 bill for six stitches at an emergency room, prompting a discussion on rising healthcare costs. The hosts read several birthday shoutouts for producers and their family members. Curry mentions the upcoming route for the Hot Pockets tour, which will eventually return to Virginia.

Keywords: [healthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/healthcare.md), [obamacare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obamacare.md), er costs, [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [hot pockets tour](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hot-pockets-tour.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Cyprus Explosion, Oil Interests and Geopolitics (1:42:48–1:46:28)

An explosion of confiscated Iranian weapons at a Cypriot army base destroyed the island's main power plant. The hosts speculate that the conflict in Cyprus is driven by a massive "oil strike" and the interests of Russia and Turkey. They analyze Hillary Clinton's support for Greek austerity as a move that aligns with Turkish interests in the region.

Keywords: [cyprus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyprus.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), oil strike

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/35.md)

### 36. Producer Credits, The Train Whistle (1:46:30–1:51:59)

The hosts read a list of producers who have contributed to the show, including Sir Lawrence, who had to cancel his recurring payment due to financial hardship. They discuss the "de-douching" of new donors and the "must-win-the-future" meme. Dvorak brings out a physical train whistle to celebrate the "all aboard" spirit of the donor community.

Keywords: sir lawrence, sean paladino, jeffrey anderson, train whistle, [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Karma Stories, Stolen Gear and Birthdays (1:52:00–1:55:28)

Several "karma stories" are shared, including a listener who received seven job proposals after a shoutout. Conversely, a listener in Virginia reports being robbed of his electronics, and the hosts offer him "corrective karma." The segment concludes with a final list of birthdays and a mention of pending podcast licenses.

Keywords: [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md), [robbery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robbery.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), podcast licenses

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/37.md)

### 38. World Briefing, Hugo Chavez and Gaddafi (1:55:29–1:58:10)

The hosts review international news from the New York Times, including Hugo Chavez's cancer diagnosis and the possibility of Muammar Gaddafi staying in Libya. They discuss the "interlocutor" role of the Transitional National Council in Libya and the loss of citizenship for 1,800 people in Canada due to fraud.

Keywords: [hugo chavez](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hugo-chavez.md), [gaddafi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaddafi.md), [libya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libya.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [berlusconi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berlusconi.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Kyrgyzstan Earthquake, Vatican Pedophile Cover-up (1:58:11–1:59:47)

A 6.3 magnitude earthquake hit Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, which the hosts link to "earthquake machine" theories. In Ireland, the parliament has blamed the Vatican for covering up pedophile cases. The hosts suggest this may be an extortion tactic by the Irish government to force the Vatican to help with bank bailouts.

Keywords: [kyrgyzstan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kyrgyzstan.md), [earthquake](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/earthquake.md), [vatican](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vatican.md), [ireland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ireland.md), [pedophilia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pedophilia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Afghanistan Banking, Missing Billions and the American Dream (1:59:47–2:03:07)

Wolf Blitzer and CNN report on billions of US taxpayer dollars missing in Afghanistan due to a lack of oversight in the banking system. Senator Claire McCaskill notes that lessons from "pallets of cash" in Iraq have not been learned. The hosts contrast these missing billions with President Obama's rhetoric about the "American Dream" of just getting by.

Keywords: [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [central bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/central-bank.md), [claire mccaskill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/claire-mccaskill.md), [government waste](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/government-waste.md), [american dream](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/american-dream.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Infrastructure Scams, Carmageddon Bonus (2:03:08–2:04:41)

The hosts discuss the state of US infrastructure, noting that Southern states often have better roads due to "pork barrel" projects. They criticize the "Carmageddon" event in Los Angeles as a scam where contractors received millions in bonuses for finishing a job quickly that was intentionally over-scheduled.

Keywords: [potholes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/potholes.md), interstate system, carmageddon, construction bonuses, [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Terror Warnings, Insider Threats and Al-Qaeda Recruitment (2:04:42–2:09:22)

ABC News and Richard Clark report on potential "insider threats" to US nuclear and chemical plants. The warnings suggest that Al-Qaeda is recruiting "disgruntled employees" through its online magazine, Inspire. The hosts mock the timing of these warnings, which coincide with the ten-year anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Keywords: [terror warning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/terror-warning.md), [richard clark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-clark.md), [al-qaeda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-qaeda.md), [insider threat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/insider-threat.md), [inspire magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/inspire-magazine.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Al-Qaeda Leadership, Corporate Merger Rhetoric (2:09:23–2:14:51)

CNN analysts describe the transition of Al-Qaeda leadership to Ayman al-Zawahiri using corporate terminology, comparing it to a bank merger. The hosts argue this rhetoric is a "sales job" for private security firms like Xe (formerly Blackwater). They also touch on the "oil dollar" connection in Cyprus involving Russian oil firms.

Keywords: [ayman al-zawahiri](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ayman-al-zawahiri.md), [osama bin laden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osama-bin-laden.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [blackwater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/blackwater.md), corporate merger

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Congressman Sarbanes, Cyprus Occupation Speech (2:14:52–2:19:59)

Congressman John Sarbanes delivers a speech on the 37th anniversary of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. He cites violations of religious freedom and the continued occupation of "ghost towns" like Famagusta. Sarbanes calls for the reunification of the island and criticizes Turkey's "zero problems" foreign policy as a failure.

Keywords: [john sarbanes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-sarbanes.md), [cyprus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyprus.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [religious freedom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/religious-freedom.md), famagusta

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Cyprus Geopolitics, Russian Influence and Tourism (2:20:00–2:25:26)

The hosts deconstruct the geopolitical situation in Cyprus, noting its strategic proximity to Syria and Lebanon. They discuss the heavy Russian influence on the island and the potential for a "religious war" narrative. A first-hand report describes Cyprus as a "horrible place" dominated by loud Russian tourists.

Keywords: [cyprus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyprus.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [syria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/syria.md), bruce sterling, religious wars

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Show Outro, St. Augustine and Tampa Meetup (2:25:29–2:29:34)

The hosts conclude the episode by discussing the next legs of the "Hot Pockets" tour through Florida. They plan to visit St. Augustine and hold a meetup in Tampa. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak sign off, reminding listeners to support the show through the "value-for-value" model.

Keywords: [st. augustine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/st-augustine.md), [tampa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tampa.md), [jacksonville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jacksonville.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), roadshow

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/323-cia-vs-mi6/chapter/46.md)

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