# Madoff has left the building > A former president commandeers the podium while royal carriages are besieged in London and the Madoff legacy ends in a suspicious Soho suicide. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 260 - **Published:** 2010-12-12 - **Length:** 2h 5m - **Topics:** Clinton takeover, [London riots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london-riots.md), Madoff suicide, [Green Climate Fund](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-climate-fund.md), Nutmeg high, [Haiti earthquake](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti-earthquake.md), [WikiLeaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building ## About this episode Bill Clinton seized the White House press podium this week as President Barack Obama departed for a holiday party, leaving the former commander-in-chief to advocate for a controversial tax agreement. The spectacle highlighted a bizarre power dynamic as Clinton, appearing ashen from a new vegan diet, used a bullets-and-ricochet metaphor to describe the current state of American governing. Meanwhile, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs faced intense questioning regarding the President’s ongoing struggle to quit smoking despite a new Surgeon General report on the lethal nature of secondhand smoke. In London, thousands of students stormed the Treasury building on Whitehall to protest a narrow vote by MPs to triple university tuition fees. The unrest turned chaotic as police utilized kettling tactics, which inadvertently pushed rioters toward a vehicle carrying Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall. Across the Atlantic, the suicide of Mark Madoff in his Soho loft on the second anniversary of Bernie Madoff’s arrest has sparked theories of a faked death and a South American escape. Additionally, the COP 16 climate talks in Cancun concluded with the World Bank being named trustee of a new one-hundred-billion-dollar Green Climate Fund, a move critics label as a globalist land grab. Adam Curry celebrates seven days of quitting nicotine cold turkey and issues a direct challenge to the President to show similar leadership. The segment takes a turn into the bizarre as Fox News warns parents that teenagers are using large quantities of nutmeg to achieve a prisoner's high. John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry also examine the return of H1N1 in Britain and the suspicious timing of a Russian mob hit on Hollywood publicist Ronnie Chasen. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/transcript.md. ### 1. No Agenda Episode 260 Introduction and Global Greetings (0:01–2:08) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open episode 260 of the No Agenda show from their respective locations in Southern California and Silicon Valley. The hosts exchange greetings with their "human resources" in the chat room and acknowledge listeners from "ships at sea" and various military branches. They briefly mention the impact of government energy-sapping news before transitioning into the day's primary topics. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [podcast introduction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-introduction.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/1.md) ### 2. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on President Obama's Smoking (2:08–4:58) White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs addresses media inquiries regarding President Barack Obama's ongoing struggle with cigarette smoking. The discussion follows a new Surgeon General report emphasizing the extreme dangers of secondhand smoke. Gibbs explains that the President smokes for enjoyment and relaxation to manage the pressures of the office, while the hosts criticize the secrecy surrounding the habit. Keywords: [robert gibbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-gibbs.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), secondhand smoke, [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), smoking addiction [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Adam Curry Quits Smoking and Challenges President Obama (4:58–12:48) Adam Curry reveals he has successfully completed seven days without smoking nicotine, quitting cold turkey alongside his wife. He compares the difficulty of quitting nicotine to his previous experience giving up marijuana, describing the physical cravings and irritability. Curry issues a public challenge to President Obama, labeling the President's inability to quit as a sign of weakness in leadership. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [nicotine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nicotine.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [addiction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/addiction.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Bill Clinton Takes Over White House Press Briefing (12:48–18:34) Former President Bill Clinton makes a surprise appearance in the White House press room to advocate for a tax agreement, eventually taking over the podium as President Obama departs for a Christmas party. The hosts comment on Clinton's physical appearance, describing him as ashen and thin due to a vegan diet. They analyze the awkward power dynamic and Clinton's use of a "bullets and ricochet" metaphor regarding political governing. Keywords: [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [tax cuts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tax-cuts.md), white house press room, [robert gibbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-gibbs.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/4.md) ### 5. No Agenda Executive Producers and the 260 Club (18:35–20:53) The hosts acknowledge the impact of recent cyber attacks on PayPal, which have slowed down listener donations. They recognize three individuals—Steven Pelsmacher, Sir Sean Connolly, and Aaron Ramroth—as executive producers for their $260 contributions to the show. Aaron Ramroth, an American expat in Amsterdam, is highlighted as a new donor who enjoys the show during his commute. Keywords: [paypal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paypal.md), steven pelsmacher, [sean connolly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-connolly.md), aaron ramroth, [executive producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-producers.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/5.md) ### 6. No Agenda Dice and Green Santa Children's Programming (20:53–25:41) A listener announcement confirms that custom No Agenda dice have arrived from the manufacturer three weeks early and are being shipped to donors. The hosts then critique a new children's media trend featuring "Green Santa," which they characterize as environmentalist propaganda. They argue the show encourages children to monitor their parents' carbon footprints and ecological behaviors. Keywords: [no agenda dice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-dice.md), green santa, [environmentalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/environmentalism.md), [children's television](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/children-s-television.md), [lapland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lapland.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Nutmeg and Banana Peels as Teenage Hallucinogens (25:42–30:07) A Fox News report warns parents about teenagers using large quantities of nutmeg to achieve a marijuana-like hallucinogenic high. The hosts compare this "new" trend to the 1960s "prisoner's high" and the urban legend of smoking banana peels, famously referenced in the song Mellow Yellow. They mock the alarmist nature of the reporting while discussing the physical side effects of consuming excessive spices. Keywords: nutmeg, [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [hallucinogens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hallucinogens.md), mellow yellow, teenage drug use [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Bill Clinton and World Bank Funding for Haiti (30:07–38:39) Bill Clinton discusses the political situation in Haiti, using the word "imbroglio" to describe the election disputes involving President René Préval. The hosts question Clinton's claim that the World Bank released $70 billion to $90 billion for reconstruction projects, noting the figure seems impossibly high for the region. They criticize the focus on holding elections while citizens remain in "tented areas" suffering from cholera. Keywords: [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), [bill clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-clinton.md), [world bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-bank.md), [rene preval](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rene-preval.md), earthquake reconstruction [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Cholera Vaccine Stockpiles and Sarah Palin's Haiti Visit (38:40–41:46) The World Health Organization considers a global stockpile of cholera vaccines following the outbreak in Haiti, which was allegedly introduced by UN peacekeepers. The hosts discuss the high cost of the Swedish-made Dukoral vaccine compared to a cheaper Indian alternative. Additionally, they question the sincerity of Sarah Palin's recent visit to Haiti, labeling it a "celebrity stop-off." Keywords: cholera vaccine, [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), [sarah palin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-palin.md), [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), shantha biotechnics [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Satellite Demeter Detects Radio Waves Before Haiti Earthquake (41:47–43:27) Data from the French satellite Demeter reportedly showed a 360% increase in ultra-low frequency radio waves in the ionosphere above Haiti in the month preceding the 2010 earthquake. The hosts briefly touch upon theories regarding "earthquake machines" and man-made seismic events. They suggest listeners investigate the research links provided in the show notes for further technical details. Keywords: demeter satellite, ultra low frequency, [ionosphere](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ionosphere.md), [haiti earthquake](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti-earthquake.md), earthquake machines [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Nobel Peace Prize Controversy and BBC Commentary (43:27–45:46) The BBC reports on the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, which has strained relations between Norway and China. The hosts highlight a specific BBC clip that refers to Barack Obama's previous win as an "embarrassment." They mock the British pronunciation of the President's name and the political nature of the award. Keywords: [nobel peace prize](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nobel-peace-prize.md), liu xiaobo, [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), bbc world, [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/11.md) ### 12. German Soldiers Stationed on French Soil (45:46–48:41) For the first time since World War II, German soldiers are being stationed in France as part of a reciprocal military cooperation agreement near Strasbourg. The hosts express skepticism about the necessity of this move, citing the historical conflicts between the two nations. They joke about the potential for "flashbacks" among the local population seeing German military uniforms in the Alsace region. Keywords: [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [strasbourg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strasbourg.md), [military cooperation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/military-cooperation.md), alsace [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/12.md) ### 13. London Student Riots Over Tuition Fee Increases (48:42–53:16) Thousands of students in London protest against a government plan to triple university tuition fees from £3,000 to £9,000. Protesters broke into the Treasury building on Whitehall while MPs voted on the measure, which passed with a narrow majority. The hosts discuss the privatization of student loans and the increasing financial burden placed on the "human resources" of the United Kingdom. Keywords: [london riots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london-riots.md), [tuition fees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tuition-fees.md), [westminster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/westminster.md), vince cable, [student loans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/student-loans.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Police Kettling Tactics and Attack on Prince Charles (53:16–59:29) During the London tuition protests, the car carrying Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, was intercepted and attacked by rioters in the West End. The hosts analyze the police tactic of "kettling"—corralling protesters for hours—and suggest it may have backfired by causing groups to spread out and target the royal vehicle. They question the security lapse that allowed an unprotected car into a riot zone. Keywords: [kettling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kettling.md), [prince charles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prince-charles.md), [camilla parker bowles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/camilla-parker-bowles.md), [london police](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london-police.md), royal variety performance [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Analysis of a 15-Year-Old Protester's Speech (59:31–1:06:20) A 15-year-old student delivers an articulate speech regarding the London protests, rejecting the label of a "post-ideological generation." The youth describes the experience of being kettled by police and accuses the media of misrepresenting students as vandals. The hosts discuss the sophistication of the speech and the growing solidarity between students and striking labor unions like the RMT. Keywords: [student protests](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/student-protests.md), [ideology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ideology.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [g20](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/g20.md), [london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/london.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Comparison of Global Protests and US Education Trends (1:06:21–1:09:15) The hosts compare the active rioting in the UK to the lack of significant protest in the United States, where they claim the public is distracted by reality television. They discuss the University of California system's tuition hikes and its shift toward recruiting high-paying international students from China and India. An anecdote is shared regarding the influx of Chinese students obtaining pilot licenses in the US due to restrictions in their home country. Keywords: [university of california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-california.md), [student protests](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/student-protests.md), pilot licenses, [international students](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/international-students.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Reality TV Distractions and Sarah Palin's Caribou Skinning (1:09:17–1:13:28) The hosts critique American reality television shows like "Bridalplasty," where contestants compete for plastic surgery procedures. They contrast the public's comfort with graphic surgical scenes to the "cringe" reaction many had toward Sarah Palin skinning a caribou on her television show. They argue that basic survival skills like butchering an animal for food are being replaced by superficial cultural obsessions. Keywords: bridalplasty, [sarah palin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-palin.md), [reality television](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reality-television.md), caribou, [plastic surgery](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plastic-surgery.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Competitive Culture and the Police State in the UK (1:13:28–1:17:30) A clip of a football coach discussing the importance of winning in America prompts a discussion on the decline of competitive spirit in favor of "participation" culture. The hosts also reference a UK magazine, "Counter Terror Business," which showcases advanced surveillance and security technology. They suggest that the increasing police state in the UK may eventually lead to more widespread civil unrest and riots. Keywords: vince lombardi, competitive atmosphere, counter terror business, [police state](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/police-state.md), [guy fawkes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guy-fawkes.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Listener Donations and EU Law Implementation in the UK (1:17:30–1:21:45) The hosts thank several donors, including Daniel Hutner and Andrew Glenn from the UK. Andrew Glenn's note highlights the "High Speed 2" rail project, which he claims will save zero time due to airport-style security requirements. The discussion also touches on a Daily Mail article reporting that a vast majority of UK laws are now being implemented directly from the European Union without public awareness. Keywords: monica goldsmith, stephen m. dean, daniel hutner, [ups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ups.md), high speed 2 [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Airman History and Global Warming Cycles (1:21:45–1:25:34) A donation from Baron von Pelsmacher triggers a discussion about Manston, a large RAF airfield used during World War II for damaged planes returning from Europe. The hosts then pivot to a Weather Channel report on the 1930s Dust Bowl, arguing that current climate patterns are part of a natural 10-year cycle rather than man-made global warming. They acknowledge several "human resource" donors turning 55 in 2010. Keywords: manston, [world war ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-ii.md), dust bowl, [weather channel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weather-channel.md), [global warming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-warming.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/20.md) ### 21. No Agenda New Year Promotions and Selling Baronies (1:25:34–1:32:16) The hosts discuss a proposal for a "No Agenda New Year" promotion based on the numerology of 2011. They announce a plan to "sell baronies," allowing donors to purchase official titles and districts within "Gitmo Nation." The segment concludes with the knighting of "Dame Ruby," the godchild of Baron von Pelsmacher, as the hosts embrace the idea of creating their own alternative monarchy. Keywords: [numerology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/numerology.md), baronies, [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), dame ruby, [monarchy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monarchy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Cancun COP 16 Climate Talks and the Green Climate Fund (1:32:17–1:38:36) The COP 16 climate talks in Cancun, Mexico, conclude with the establishment of the Green Climate Fund, which aims to raise $100 billion annually. The hosts criticize the appointment of the World Bank as the fund's trustee, arguing the money will be used for "elitist pricks" rather than environmental protection. They also mention the "REDD" acronym for reducing emissions, characterizing it as a land grab from poor nations. Keywords: [cancun](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cancun.md), [cop 16](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cop-16.md), [green climate fund](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-climate-fund.md), [world bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-bank.md), [carbon credits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-credits.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Mark Madoff Suicide and Fake Death Theories (1:38:36–1:44:39) The hosts analyze the reported suicide of Mark Madoff, son of Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff, who was found dead in his Soho loft on the second anniversary of his father's arrest. They express skepticism regarding the official story, suggesting the suicide may have been faked to allow Madoff to escape to South America with offshore funds. They point to the involvement of a high-profile lawyer and the lack of a traditional ambulance as suspicious details. Keywords: mark madoff, [bernie madoff](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bernie-madoff.md), [suicide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suicide.md), [paraguay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paraguay.md), fake death [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Ronnie Chasen Murder and Russian Mob Theories (1:44:41–1:51:44) The investigation into the murder of Hollywood publicist Ronnie Chasen (born Veronica Cohen) is discussed, with the hosts citing "insider" tips that it was a Russian mob hit over a music deal. They connect this to Randy Quaid's claims about "star whackers" and the Russian mob's presence in Southern California. The segment also mentions Dog the Bounty Hunter's involvement in the Quaid saga and his promotion of a "sketchy" social network called SoAct. Keywords: [ronnie chasen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ronnie-chasen.md), [beverly hills](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beverly-hills.md), [russian mob](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-mob.md), [randy quaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/randy-quaid.md), dog the bounty hunter [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/24.md) ### 25. WikiLeaks CIA Honeypot and Cyber Command Theories (1:51:45–1:56:21) The hosts revisit the WikiLeaks controversy, debating whether the organization is a CIA honeypot or a tool of the Pentagon's Cyber Command. They argue that the leaks benefit the military-industrial complex by providing a pretext for internet crackdowns and increased security spending. They note that despite the "embarrassment" to the State Department, the leaks have not resulted in significant policy changes or the shutdown of the WikiLeaks site. Keywords: [wikileaks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikileaks.md), [cia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cia.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [cyber command](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cyber-command.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/260-madoff-has-left-the-building/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Portugal Financial Fractal and Hamburger Helper Charity (1:56:22–1:59:33) The hosts identify a "financial fractal" where countries like Portugal and Ireland initially deny needing IMF assistance before eventually accepting bailouts. They also critique a "Feeding America" advertisement for Hamburger Helper, questioning the nutritional value of the product. They describe the food as a "helper" used to stretch small amounts of protein with pasta and additives. 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