# Jean versus Sean

> A celebrity feud over the Haitian presidency ignites as the TSA rolls out invasive scanners and the United Nations plots a global migration framework in the Alps.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 233
- **Published:** 2010-09-09
- **Length:** 2h 12m
- **Topics:** [Wyclef Jean](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wyclef-jean.md), TSA Scanners, UN Alpine Retreat, Haiti Elections, Bettencourt Scandal, Cashless Ireland
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean

## About this episode

Wyclef Jean and Sean Penn are locked in a public feud after the musician accused the actor of cocaine use during a concert at Hot 97. The conflict erupted following Penn’s public skepticism regarding Jean’s bid for the Haitian presidency. This celebrity clash highlights the deepening political instability in Haiti as international organizations and high-profile figures struggle for influence over the earthquake-ravaged nation.

In the United States, the Obama administration faces a wave of high-level departures as economic advisor Christina Romer and budget director Peter Orszag resign. Meanwhile, the TSA is under fire for deploying new full-body scanners at airports like LAX, where Adam Curry reports that the machines now produce explicit anatomical detail. In Europe, the Dutch government remains in a three-month deadlock without a coalition, while French authorities raid the home of L'Oreal heiress Liliane Bettencourt amid a campaign finance scandal involving President Nicolas Sarkozy. Global governance is also on the move as UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon convenes a private retreat in the Austrian Alps to bypass sovereign states on migration and climate policy.

Adam Curry clarifies that a viral tabloid photo of him was not a bong but a fireplace tool, debunking rumors of a pregnancy for his wife Mickey. John C. Dvorak offers a tactical tip for SFO travelers to avoid scanners by using the Virgin America terminal. The show concludes with a knighting ceremony for Sir Era Dardarian and Sir Larry Stewart, recognizing their contributions to the value-for-value model.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/transcript.md.

### 1. No Agenda Episode 233, Gitmo Nation Media Assassination (0:01–1:28)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open Episode 233 of the No Agenda show, broadcasting from Amsterdam and Northern Silicon Valley. The hosts discuss their current locations, technical setups, and the upcoming Dutch No Agenda meetup. Curry notes his return to the "Gitmo Nation Lowlands" and his readiness to analyze the news.

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), episode 233

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Mickey Curry Pregnancy Rumors, Tabloid Photo Theft (1:29–5:24)

Adam Curry recounts how Dutch tabloids falsely reported that his wife, Mickey, was pregnant after seeing a photo of her drinking water. The tabloids allegedly stole a photo Curry had posted to Twitpic, which featured him using a hollow French stick to stoke a potbelly stove. Curry clarifies that the "bong-like" object in the photo was actually a fireplace tool and confirms Mickey is not pregnant.

Keywords: [mickey curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mickey-curry.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), tabloids, twitpic, [copyright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright.md), [pregnancy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pregnancy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/2.md)

### 3. TSA Security Conflict, Full-Body Scanner Opt-Out (5:25–11:16)

Adam Curry describes a confrontation with TSA agents at LAX while attempting to fly to Amsterdam. Curry opted out of the full-body x-ray scanner due to health concerns, triggering a "manual pat down" and a swab for explosives. He critiques the new transparency of the scanner images, noting that they now display more anatomical detail than previous blurred versions.

Keywords: [tsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tsa.md), [lax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lax.md), x-ray machine, full-body scanner, [radiation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radiation.md), [pat down](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pat-down.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/3.md)

### 4. SFO Security Tip, Virgin America Terminal (11:17–12:45)

John C. Dvorak provides a travel tip for San Francisco International Airport (SFO), suggesting passengers use the Virgin America terminal entrance. He notes that the far-left security line often lacks the full-body scanners, allowing travelers to avoid the machines and the associated hassle of opting out.

Keywords: [sfo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sfo.md), san francisco international airport, [virgin america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virgin-america.md), [security checkpoint](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/security-checkpoint.md), [travel tip](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel-tip.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Dutch Government Formation Crisis, Horse Meat Consumption (12:47–15:15)

Adam Curry reports on the ongoing failure of the Dutch parliament to form a coalition government after three months of negotiations. He observes that the lack of government has not negatively impacted daily life, though the financial crisis has led to a surplus of horses being sent to slaughterhouses. The hosts briefly discuss the culinary merits and ethics of eating horse meat.

Keywords: [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), dutch parliament, [coalition government](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/coalition-government.md), [horse meat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/horse-meat.md), [financial crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/financial-crisis.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Executive Producer Donations, No Agenda Ring Design (15:16–21:01)

The hosts acknowledge high-tier donors, including Executive Producer Paul Couture and others who contributed to the show's "Value-for-Value" model. They discuss the design of the official No Agenda signet ring, which features a reverse logo intended to leave an impression. Several listeners are "de-douched" following their initial financial contributions.

Keywords: [paul couture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paul-couture.md), larry stewart, [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [donation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donation.md), [signet ring](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/signet-ring.md), [11 labs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/11-labs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/6.md)

### 7. No Agenda Meetups, Global Gathering of Excellent Resources (21:02–24:55)

Adam Curry promotes several upcoming listener events, including the Dutch No Agenda meeting in Amsterdam and the "Naggers" (No Agenda Global Gathering of Excellent Resources) events scheduled for October 10, 2010. They also highlight community-driven projects like challenge coins and the "No Agenda Nation" mapping site.

Keywords: [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), no agenda naggers, [challenge coins](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/challenge-coins.md), [10-10-10](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/10-10-10.md), [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Severed Human Feet Discoveries, Sweden and Shark Attacks (24:55–27:07)

The hosts track a series of macabre news reports involving severed human feet found in Sweden and inside a tiger shark's stomach. While officials often claim no foul play is suspected, the hosts speculate on more sinister origins. One theory discussed involves a potential connection to international sports match-rigging syndicates.

Keywords: [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), tiger shark, severed foot, forensic investigation, [sports rigging](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sports-rigging.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Joy Behar Show, Child Predator Manual Hoax (27:08–37:59)

John C. Dvorak analyzes a segment from The Joy Behar Show regarding a supposed 170-page "manual" for child predators. Dvorak argues the manual is likely a media fabrication or a "gateway" for increased email surveillance and censorship. The hosts suggest such documents could be used by law enforcement to plant evidence or ruin political enemies through false accusations.

Keywords: [joy behar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-behar.md), [hln](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hln.md), vinny palitan, child predator, [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md), false accusations

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Wyclef Jean, Sean Penn Cocaine Allegations (38:00–41:21)

Wyclef Jean, during a concert at Hot 97, publicly accused actor Sean Penn of using cocaine after Penn questioned Jean's qualifications for the Haitian presidency. The hosts discuss the ongoing political drama in Haiti following the earthquake and the involvement of high-profile celebrities and international organizations in the country's affairs.

Keywords: [wyclef jean](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wyclef-jean.md), [sean penn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sean-penn.md), [haiti](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haiti.md), hot 97, [presidential election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/presidential-election.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Jerry Bruckheimer's Chase, Federal Law Enforcement Glamorization (41:21–46:20)

The hosts critique the trailer for the NBC series "Chase," produced by Jerry Bruckheimer, which follows U.S. Marshals. They argue the show is part of a broader media effort to glamorize federal law enforcement over local police. Dvorak highlights the "pre-crime" narrative in the show's marketing, where federal agents focus on where a criminal is going rather than what they have done.

Keywords: [jerry bruckheimer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jerry-bruckheimer.md), [nbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc.md), [us marshals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/us-marshals.md), federal law enforcement, [pre-crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-crime.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/11.md)

### 12. White House Resignations, Christina Romer and Peter Orszag (46:21–52:45)

The hosts discuss the departures of key Obama administration figures, including economic advisor Christina Romer and budget director Peter Orszag. They criticize Romer for her failed unemployment projections and Orszag for his ties to the Council on Foreign Relations. The segment highlights the lack of private-sector experience among the administration's top officials.

Keywords: [christina romer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/christina-romer.md), [peter orszag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-orszag.md), [rahm emanuel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rahm-emanuel.md), [council of economic advisers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/council-of-economic-advisers.md), [unemployment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unemployment.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Barack Obama Labor Day Speech, Off-Script Dog Comment (52:45–58:15)

President Barack Obama's Labor Day speech is analyzed, specifically an ad-libbed comment where he claimed opponents "talk about me like a dog." The hosts mock the mainstream media's panicked reaction to the President going off-script. They argue that the media's frustration stems from the disruption of their pre-planned chyrons and talking points.

Keywords: [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [labor day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/labor-day.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [wolf blitzer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wolf-blitzer.md), media orchestration

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/13.md)

### 14. United Nations Alpine Retreat, Global Governance Agenda (58:16–1:01:22)

Fox News reported on a private retreat in the Austrian Alps attended by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and 60 top officials. The meeting's agenda reportedly included restoring climate change as a global priority and establishing a framework for international migration governance. The hosts view this as a move toward bypassing sovereign nation-states in favor of direct global governance.

Keywords: [ban ki-moon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ban-ki-moon.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), [austria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austria.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), global redistribution of wealth

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/14.md)

### 15. No Agenda Nation Map, Eric the Shill (1:01:22–1:07:54)

The hosts explore the "No Agenda Nation" website, created by a listener named Eric the Shill, which maps the locations of the show's producers and knights globally. They note the geographical spread of the audience, including a humorous placement of a "HAARP" icon on the map, while lamenting the lack of listeners in regions like Manitoba and Iceland.

Keywords: [no agenda nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-nation.md), mapping, [demographics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/demographics.md), [harp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harp.md), [global listeners](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/global-listeners.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Listener Donations, Knighting Ceremony (1:07:55–1:17:23)

In a formal segment, the hosts perform a "knighting ceremony" for listeners who have donated $1,000 or more to the show. Sir Era Dardarian, Sir Larry Stewart, and Sir Charles Jordan are officially recognized. The hosts reiterate their commitment to the "Value-for-Value" model, which eschews traditional advertising in favor of direct listener support.

Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), sir era dardarian, sir larry stewart

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Japanese Energy Harvesting, Human Body Heat Technology (1:17:24–1:20:16)

A group of 23 Japanese companies, including Toyota and Honda, have launched a campaign to develop technology that harvests energy from human body warmth and movement. The goal is to power small electronics like television remotes. The hosts jokingly compare the concept to "The Matrix," where humans are used as biological batteries.

Keywords: [japan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/japan.md), [toyota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/toyota.md), [honda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/honda.md), energy harvesting, body heat

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Flu Vaccine Blitz, Early Seasonal Rollout (1:20:17–1:27:34)

The hosts examine the early and aggressive marketing of the 2010 flu vaccine, which combines the seasonal flu and H1N1 (swine flu) strains into a single shot. They question why the vaccine is being released in early September, a month earlier than usual. Dvorak suggests the rollout is a coordinated effort by the pharmaceutical industry to maximize profits following the "hoax" of the previous year's pandemic.

Keywords: [flu shot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flu-shot.md), [swine flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/swine-flu.md), [h1n1](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/h1n1.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [pharmaceutical industry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-industry.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Media Fear Mongering, Zombie Preparedness Classes (1:27:35–1:33:49)

A KTVU news package on the flu vaccine is critiqued for its use of "sadistic" imagery and fear-based messaging directed at parents. The hosts pivot to a report about the University of Baltimore offering a class on zombie cinema and pop culture. They suggest that the cultural obsession with zombies may be a form of social conditioning for future crises.

Keywords: [ktvu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ktvu.md), deborah villalon, university of baltimore, [zombies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zombies.md), [pop culture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pop-culture.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/19.md)

### 20. San Francisco Gun Shop Controversy, Vibrancy Argument (1:33:50–1:36:08)

The reopening of the only gun shop in San Francisco sparked protests from local activists. One resident argued before the Board of Supervisors that the shop should be closed because 14% of the neighborhood—children—cannot enter the premises. The hosts mock this "vibrancy" argument, noting its potential application to bars and other age-restricted businesses.

Keywords: [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), mission street, [gun control](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gun-control.md), [board of supervisors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/board-of-supervisors.md), business regulation

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/20.md)

### 21. L'Oreal Heiress Investigation, Liliane Bettencourt (1:36:08–1:37:47)

French police raided the home of Liliane Bettencourt, the heiress to the L'Oreal fortune, as part of an investigation into illegal campaign contributions to President Nicolas Sarkozy. The probe examines whether Bettencourt was manipulated into giving gifts worth over 1 billion euros to various associates.

Keywords: [l'oreal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/l-oreal.md), liliane bettencourt, [nicolas sarkozy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nicolas-sarkozy.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [campaign finance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/campaign-finance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Muslim Street Prayers in Paris, French Secularism (1:37:48–1:40:49)

A listener report from France describes the increasing frequency of Muslim street prayers in Paris, which the correspondent claims are a form of political protest. The discussion touches on the "blackout" of these issues in French media due to political correctness and the broader cultural tensions regarding immigration and secularism in the country.

Keywords: [paris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paris.md), [france](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france.md), [islam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/islam.md), street prayers, [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [political correctness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-correctness.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/22.md)

### 23. 9/11 Imagery in Advertising, Learn to Anticipate Campaign (1:40:49–1:43:58)

An advertisement in "Le Courrier International" featured the New York skyline with shortened Twin Towers and planes flying nearby, accompanied by the tagline "Learn to Anticipate." The hosts discuss the provocative use of 9/11 imagery and how it reflects Scandinavian cultural attitudes toward not drawing attention to oneself or "standing too tall."

Keywords: [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), twin towers, [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [scandinavia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scandinavia.md), cultural memes

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/23.md)

### 24. 3D Hologram Child, British Columbia Road Safety (1:43:59–1:46:11)

Authorities in British Columbia, Canada, installed a 3D holographic image of a child chasing a ball on a street near an elementary school. The optical illusion is designed to appear as a real person to approaching drivers, forcing them to slow down. The hosts question the safety of such "jump scare" traffic calming measures.

Keywords: [british columbia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/british-columbia.md), [hologram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hologram.md), [road safety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/road-safety.md), [optical illusion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/optical-illusion.md), traffic calming

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Afghanistan Marijuana Fields, Military Patrol Photos (1:46:11–1:48:36)

Photos from Afghanistan show Canadian and U.S. soldiers patrolling through massive fields of shoulder-high marijuana. The hosts contrast these images with reports of the military destroying narcotics, suggesting a contradictory or complicit policy regarding the local drug trade. They question the intended message of propagating these images to the public.

Keywords: [afghanistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afghanistan.md), [marijuana](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marijuana.md), canadian army, [kandahar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kandahar.md), [narcotics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/narcotics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Terry Jones Quran Burning, Media Created Firestorm (1:48:36–1:57:12)

The hosts analyze the international media coverage of Pastor Terry Jones and his plan to burn the Quran in Gainesville, Florida. They argue that the media "created the firestorm" by giving a fringe figure global attention. The segment explores how the story is being used to stir international tension and distract from other geopolitical issues.

Keywords: terry jones, [quran burning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/quran-burning.md), [gainesville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gainesville.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [media manipulation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-manipulation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Ground Zero Mosque, Irish Cashless Society Proposal (1:57:12–2:00:58)

Imam Faisal Abdul Raouf defended the construction of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero, claiming it promotes interfaith understanding. Meanwhile, in Ireland, the Minister of Justice proposed increasing ATM fees to discourage the use of cash, arguing that a cashless society would reduce bank robberies and kidnappings. The hosts dismiss the Irish proposal as a specious excuse to further control the population's finances.

Keywords: [ground zero mosque](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ground-zero-mosque.md), imam faisal abdul raouf, [ireland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ireland.md), [atm fees](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/atm-fees.md), [cashless society](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cashless-society.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Gold Price Predictions, 9/11 Anniversary (2:01:00–2:05:05)

Adam Curry reviews a past prediction that gold would reach $1,500 an ounce; while it currently sits near $1,250, he remains optimistic about its upward trend. The hosts mention a new 3D analysis of the World Trade Center collapse available in their show notes. They conclude by adjusting the schedule for the upcoming Sunday broadcast.

Keywords: [gold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gold.md), [9/11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/9-11.md), [false flag](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/false-flag.md), [predictions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/predictions.md), show schedule

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Nigel Farage EU Speech, Outro and Sign-off (2:05:06–2:12:48)

The episode concludes with a recording of Nigel Farage addressing the European Parliament, where he critiques President Jose Manuel Barroso and the "loathed" state of the European Union. Farage highlights the lack of public endorsement for the Lisbon Treaty and the common currency. The hosts sign off, reaffirming their independent status and thanking their "human resource" producers.

Keywords: [nigel farage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nigel-farage.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [jose manuel barroso](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jose-manuel-barroso.md), [lisbon treaty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lisbon-treaty.md), [democracy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democracy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/233-jean-versus-sean/chapter/29.md)

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