# Never Say No to a Soldier > A media giant faces bankruptcy and Google's advertising dominance is challenged by banner blindness while the Netherlands grapples with a disappearing industrial base. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 20 - **Published:** 2008-03-06 - **Length:** 1h 5m - **Topics:** [Ziff Davis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ziff-davis.md), Google DoubleClick, Ask.com, [Gordon Ramsay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gordon-ramsay.md), National Insurance, AOL Yahoo merger - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier ## About this episode Ziff Davis has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to freeze debts and restructure under an oversight group, though the media giant continues to settle payments with its contractors. The recording on March 6, 2008, captures a volatile moment for tech giants as the European Union prepares to approve the Google and DoubleClick merger despite mounting privacy concerns and a significant decline in Google stock. These shifts in the digital landscape coincide with a reported drop in AdSense revenue as users develop banner blindness. Ask.com has pivoted its business model to target married women managing households, moving away from its legacy as Ask Jeeves to focus on curated lifestyle results. In the UK, government officials propose raising alcohol taxes to combat binge drinking, even as statistics suggest 24-hour pub licensing has reduced crime. Meanwhile, the Netherlands faces an industrial identity crisis following the sale of ABN Amro, shifting the national reputation from manufacturing toward tourism and retail. Cultural tensions also surface regarding the 1942 film Iceland and the patriotic song You Can't Say No to a Soldier, which is contrasted with the modern juvenile humor of the Podsafe Music Network. Gordon Ramsay faces scrutiny for the transatlantic differences in business attitudes seen on Kitchen Nightmares, where American restaurateurs prove more receptive to aggressive consulting than their European counterparts. The session concludes with an investigation into secret Otis elevator express codes and the rumored merger between AOL and Yahoo. Technical difficulties and power brownouts in Northern California forced the use of continuous ping commands to maintain the Skype connection throughout the recording. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/transcript.md. ### 1. Ziff Davis Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Filing (0:01–2:41) Ziff Davis filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection following years of financial instability. The filing serves to freeze company debts and allow for refinancing under an oversight group while operations continue. Despite the legal status, the company remains in business and continues to settle outstanding payments with contractors. Keywords: [ziff davis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ziff-davis.md), [chapter 11](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chapter-11.md), [bankruptcy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bankruptcy.md), [publishing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/publishing.md), [podshow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podshow.md), [debt restructuring](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/debt-restructuring.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Recording Date and Production Schedule (2:41–3:22) The recording takes place on Thursday, March 6, 2008. A decision was made to release the audio immediately rather than waiting until Friday to ensure timely delivery of information. The production maintains a "no agenda" philosophy focused on minimizing hassle and maximizing efficiency. Keywords: march 6, [2008](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2008.md), recording date, [production](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/production.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [schedule](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/schedule.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/2.md) ### 3. English Tea Traditions and Milk Placement (3:24–5:48) Listener feedback from South London addresses the English tradition of putting milk in tea cups before the tea. Historically, this practice prevented low-quality 1700s-era porcelain from cracking due to the heat of the water. Modern variations, such as placing tea bags directly into milk before adding water, are criticized as departures from proper brewing methods. Keywords: [tea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tea.md), [milk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/milk.md), porcelain, english tradition, south london, [brewing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brewing.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Tea Bag Innovation and High-End Packaging (5:48–8:16) The evolution of tea packaging includes the American invention of the string and tag, likely popularized by Lipton. High-end tea purveyors at events like the San Francisco Fancy Food Show now utilize silk or mesh plastic pyramid bags. These innovations are often viewed as marketing tactics that prioritize expensive packaging over the quality of the tea itself. Keywords: lipton, silk tea bags, pyramid bags, fancy food show, [pg tips](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pg-tips.md), [packaging](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/packaging.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/4.md) ### 5. UK National Insurance and Binge Drinking Taxes (8:16–11:30) An interview at a UK Job Center for a National Insurance number led to a discussion about the British binge drinking culture. The UK government has proposed raising alcohol taxes as a solution, despite statistics suggesting that 24-hour pub licensing has actually decreased alcohol-related crime by spreading out consumption. Comparisons are drawn to Spain, where drinking habits are perceived as more moderate. Keywords: national insurance, job center, [binge drinking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/binge-drinking.md), alcohol tax, pub hours, [spain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spain.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/5.md) ### 6. British Cultural Stereotypes and Canadian Media (11:31–14:34) Canadian television programs like "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" on the CBC offer a different perspective on British stereotypes compared to the nostalgic American view. Historical references to Hogarth etchings illustrate a long-standing association between the British and public drunkenness. Additionally, historical anecdotes suggest that South Carolina once considered becoming a monarchy prior to the Civil War. Keywords: [cbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbc.md), this hour has 22 minutes, hogarth, [stereotypes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stereotypes.md), [monarchy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monarchy.md), [south carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/south-carolina.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Dutch Cultural Shifts and Industrial Decline (14:36–17:46) The international perception of the Netherlands has shifted from windmills and wooden shoes to a reputation for drugs and tourism. Domestic critics argue that the Dutch government has sold off its industrial base, leaving the country with little manufacturing or independent banking following the sale of ABN Amro. Shopping districts like the Kalverstraat in Amsterdam remain busy, but local shoe manufacturing has nearly vanished. Keywords: [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), wooden shoes, [hippies](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hippies.md), industry, [abn amro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abn-amro.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Post-War German Relations and Bicycle Jokes (17:46–20:28) Cultural tensions between the Netherlands and Germany regarding World War II, specifically the "return my bicycle" joke, have largely faded among younger generations. Germany is now viewed as a reliable and essential economic partner for the Dutch. The shift in attitude reflects a broader move toward European integration and neighborly cooperation. Keywords: [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [world war ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-ii.md), [bicycles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bicycles.md), [diplomacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diplomacy.md), [economy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/economy.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/8.md) ### 9. 1942 War Morale and "You Can't Say No to a Soldier" (20:29–26:31) In 1942, a pivotal and desperate year for the Allied forces, the film "Iceland" featured a song by Sammy K titled "You Can't Say No to a Soldier." The lyrics encouraged women to be "dutiful" to servicemen to maintain morale during the war effort. This era of desperate patriotism and industrial productivity is contrasted with the perceived insincerity of later conflicts like the Vietnam War. Keywords: [1942](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/1942.md), [world war ii](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-war-ii.md), iceland movie, sammy k, [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [patriotism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patriotism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Gordon Ramsay and Transatlantic Business Cultures (26:32–30:31) Gordon Ramsay's "Kitchen Nightmare" series highlights differences between American and European business attitudes. American restaurateurs are generally more receptive to consultants and motivated by "kick-ass" turnarounds, while European subjects often react with sensitivity or hostility to outside advice. The shows are noted for heavy editing and the use of sound effects to enhance dramatic tension. Keywords: [gordon ramsay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gordon-ramsay.md), [kitchen nightmares](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kitchen-nightmares.md), [bbc america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc-america.md), [consulting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/consulting.md), [reality tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reality-tv.md), [business culture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/business-culture.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Juvenile Humor and "99 Words for Boobs" (30:35–31:31) A song from the Podsafe Music Network titled "99 Words for Boobs" is presented as a modern, juvenile contrast to the propaganda songs of the 1940s. The track uses various slang terms and pop culture references, such as Elmer Fudd and Scooby Snacks, to list synonyms for breasts. Keywords: podsafe music network, [elmer fudd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elmer-fudd.md), [humor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/humor.md), [songwriting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/songwriting.md), [2008](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2008.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Google DoubleClick Merger and Stock Performance (31:32–33:57) The European Union is expected to approve the merger between Google and DoubleClick, despite concerns from advertising agencies regarding market monopoly. Critics worry that the combination of Google's search data and DoubleClick's cookies creates significant privacy risks. Meanwhile, Google's stock has seen a significant decline, with some analysts predicting it could drop as low as $150. Keywords: [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [doubleclick](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doubleclick.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [antitrust](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antitrust.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [stock market](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stock-market.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/12.md) ### 13. AdSense Revenue Decline and Banner Blindness (33:58–37:11) Web publishers report a disconnect between increasing traffic and decreasing AdSense revenue, suggesting that users have developed "banner blindness." The human brain appears to parse out advertising frames, focusing only on the central content, a phenomenon compared to an aircraft's "T-scan" instrument focus. This fatigue has made traditional display ads less effective over time. Keywords: [adsense](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adsense.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), banner ads, [click-through rate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/click-through-rate.md), [web design](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/web-design.md), curry's [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/13.md) ### 14. SEO Strategies and Google System Instability (37:12–40:24) The search engine optimization (SEO) industry continues to evolve with complex strategies involving PageRank and hidden expert groups. Recently, Google services including Gmail, Google Groups, and Calendar have experienced technical instability and file upload issues. These glitches, combined with shifting ad effectiveness, contribute to the volatility of the company's market standing. Keywords: [seo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seo.md), sem, [gmail](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gmail.md), google groups, page rank, [ajax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ajax.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/14.md) ### 15. Ask.com Pivot to Household Management (40:25–42:45) Ask.com, formerly Ask Jeeves, has shifted its business model to target married women managing households. The search engine now emphasizes curated results for topics like cooking and home life, similar to the human-powered model of Mahalo. Early investors recall the company's high-profile IPO which was largely built on its "Jeeves" brand character. Keywords: ask.com, [ask jeeves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ask-jeeves.md), [search engines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/search-engines.md), mahalo, cooking recipes, [investment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/investment.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Technical Difficulties and Connection Maintenance (42:45–45:27) A sudden router failure and power brownout caused a temporary disconnection during the recording. To maintain the Skype connection and prevent the line from going idle, a continuous ping command was initiated to a remote server. The hosts attribute these issues to poor local utility infrastructure and high bandwidth usage during the work week. Keywords: [skype](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skype.md), [router](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/router.md), [bandwidth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bandwidth.md), ping, [technical support](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technical-support.md), [connectivity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/connectivity.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Search Engine History and Madison Avenue Flair (45:27–48:15) The historical dominance of Google is attributed to its clean interface and speed during the 56k modem era, though its technology was not significantly more advanced than AltaVista. AltaVista's decline is linked to mismanagement by Digital Equipment Corporation and later Compaq. The discussion notes that while geeks run the technology, the advertising business still requires the "finesse" of traditional Madison Avenue salesmanship. Keywords: [altavista](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/altavista.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [compaq](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/compaq.md), [digital equipment corporation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/digital-equipment-corporation.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md), [madison avenue](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/madison-avenue.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/17.md) ### 18. BRIC Nations Fashion and Runway Anecdotes (48:16–51:39) The acronym BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) is being used in the fashion industry to identify emerging market trends for 2008. An anecdote from a fashion show in Amsterdam involving designer Paul Schulte describes the behind-the-scenes atmosphere of the runway. The story concludes with a humorous interaction with a model regarding her upcoming divorce. Keywords: bric, [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md), [india](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/india.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [fashion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fashion.md), paul schulte [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Tobacco Sponsorship and Listener Support (51:39–54:07) A listener from Ohio suggested that the program should seek sponsorship from tobacco companies due to the frequent sound of lighters on air. Other listeners expressed strong support for the show's monetization, arguing that content creators deserve payment for their work. The hosts are exploring various funding models, including listener donations and potential grants. Keywords: [tobacco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tobacco.md), [sponsorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sponsorship.md), [monetization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monetization.md), [listener donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/listener-donations.md), [grants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grants.md), [ohio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ohio.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Elevator Secret Codes and Express Modes (54:07–57:21) There is a persistent urban legend regarding secret "express mode" codes for Otis and Schindler elevators. By pressing the "close door" button and a floor button simultaneously, users may be able to bypass other stops. The hosts are soliciting information from elevator technicians to confirm these hidden maintenance features and other computer-coded shortcuts. Keywords: otis elevators, schindler, secret codes, express mode, [hacking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hacking.md), [maintenance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maintenance.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Potential Yahoo and AOL Merger (57:21–1:00:31) Speculation is mounting regarding a potential merger between AOL and Yahoo as a response to Microsoft's interest in the space. Analysts note that the homepages of both services have become nearly identical in layout and function. The departure of visionary leaders like Steve Case has left AOL appearing "rudderless" as it struggles to maintain its former cultural relevance. Keywords: [yahoo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yahoo.md), [aol](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aol.md), [steve ballmer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-ballmer.md), [steve case](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-case.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [marketwatch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketwatch.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/20-never-say-no-to-a-soldier/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Private Email Hosting and Spam Prevention (1:00:31–1:03:31) Maintaining private email servers is presented as a more secure alternative to relying on major providers like Gmail or Yahoo. Using a private host allows for better control over spam filters and prevents data loss if a major service provider decides to terminate an account. Technical details regarding MX records and secondary servers are discussed as methods for ensuring reliable communication. 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