# En Banc

> A federal court halts the White House ballroom project while the tech world gathers in San Francisco to honor the legacy of the late John C. Dvorak.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1893
- **Published:** 2026-08-09
- **Length:** 3h 33m
- **People:** [Adam Curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/adam-curry.md) (host), [John C Dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/john-c-dvorak.md) (host)
- **Topics:** White House Ballroom, [John C. Dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), Meta Lawsuit, Jason Arday, WNBA Challenge, Sunscreen Risks, Dumb Phones
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc

## About this episode

President Donald Trump faces a significant legal setback as the DC Circuit Appeals Court blocks the $400 million White House ballroom project and a planned 250-foot arch on the National Mall. The 2-1 ruling designates the president as a tenant rather than an owner, requiring Congressional approval for major structural changes to the grounds. While above-ground construction is halted, military and medical facilities within a new presidential bunker are permitted to proceed for national security reasons.

In San Francisco and Oakland, the technology community gathered to memorialize the late John C. Dvorak, with CBS LA reporter Victoria Recano revealing his secret mentorship. Meanwhile, academic fraud allegations hit the University of Cambridge as Professor Jason Arday faces claims of resume fabrication and plagiarism. In New Mexico, a judge ordered Meta to pay $567 million for child safety failures on Facebook and Instagram, while Michigan health official Abdul El-Sayed faces scrutiny over his wife Sarah Jukaku's private medical practice opting out of the very Medicare system he defends. Additionally, Senator Elizabeth Warren drew public laughter for her border security claims, and Representative Matt Gaetz explored controversial research linking sunscreen use to increased skin cancer risks.

Guitarist Steve Stevens and the legendary Willie Nelson provide a masterclass in performance longevity, while Keith Olbermann returns to his Countdown podcast following a health-induced hiatus. The community honors the induction of Sir Hasmaticus II into the No Agenda Round Table, punctuated by global meetup reports from Fremantle to Snohomish where producers toasted the legacy of John C. Dvorak with Kirkland Bordeaux.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/transcript.md.

### 1. Darren O'Neill and Larry Blytner, Billy Idol Concert Review (0:00–2:28)

Hosts Darren O'Neill and Larry Blytner open the program discussing a recent Billy Idol concert. They remark on the 70-year-old singer's high energy and physical fitness during the performance. Adam Curry joins the conversation to share an anecdote about Billy Idol dating Downtown Julie Brown during his time at MTV.

Keywords: [darren o'neill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darren-o-neill.md), larry blytner, billy idol, [steve stevens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-stevens.md), downtown julie brown

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/1.md)

### 2. John C. Dvorak Memorial, San Francisco Services and Tributes (2:30–13:08)

Adam Curry reports on the memorial services held in San Francisco and Oakland for the late John C. Dvorak. The event gathered family, friends, and former colleagues from the early days of PC Magazine and the computing industry. Speakers highlighted Dvorak's unique role in critiquing technology products to drive industry improvements.

Keywords: [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [mimi dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mimi-dvorak.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [oakland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oakland.md), [pc magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pc-magazine.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Sir Patrick Coble, Custom Shadow Box Tribute (13:10–15:29)

Sir Patrick Coble, a former Marine and long-time producer, created two custom shadow boxes to honor the show's history. The boxes contained various artifacts including an HO scale model of the Zephyr, an MTV patch, and a first-generation iPod. These items represented the professional journey and personal interests of the podcast hosts.

Keywords: [patrick coble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patrick-coble.md), shadow box, ho scale, [zephyr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zephyr.md), [mtv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mtv.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Victoria Recano, CBS LA Reporter and Dvorak Mentorship (15:29–17:54)

CBS LA entertainment reporter Victoria Recano spoke at the memorial regarding John C. Dvorak's secret mentorship. She described how he helped her navigate her career and provided professional critiques. Following the formal service, attendees gathered at Bar Kona and Violetta Pizza for a final celebration of Dvorak's life.

Keywords: victoria recano, cbs la, [los angeles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/los-angeles.md), [mimi dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mimi-dvorak.md), bar kona

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Gitmo Nation Meetup Reports, New Show Openings (17:54–20:13)

The hosts discuss the high volume of meetup reports arriving from across the globe following Dvorak's passing. Sir Patrick Coble suggested utilizing the show's "boots on the ground" network for more frequent field reporting. Artist Mike Riley has also returned to contribute new artwork for the community.

Keywords: [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md), [patrick coble](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/patrick-coble.md), [mike riley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-riley.md), [podcasting 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting-2-0.md), x

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Donald Trump Hair Analysis, Vasectomy Theory Tangent (20:14–21:45)

Larry Blytner analyzes Donald Trump's recent public appearances, noting that his hair appears larger and less stable in the wind. This leads to a tangent regarding the historical perception of vasectomies in the 1800s. The hosts discuss a theory that the procedure was once viewed as a "youth-making" experience that altered masculine behavior.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), hairspray, toupee, [vasectomy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vasectomy.md), [testosterone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/testosterone.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Steve Stevens and Joe Satriani, Guitar Virtuoso Anecdotes (21:46–24:01)

Adam Curry recalls interviewing guitarist Steve Stevens in the late 1980s and receiving a signed Hammer guitar. The discussion shifts to Joe Satriani's instructional style, focusing on the importance of facial expressions during performance. An anecdote about Ted Nugent playing Eddie Van Halen's guitar illustrates that "tone is in the hands."

Keywords: [steve stevens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-stevens.md), joe satriani, [eddie van halen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eddie-van-halen.md), [ted nugent](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ted-nugent.md), hammer guitar

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Mohegan Sun Performance, Gold and Platinum Record Manufacturing (24:03–27:08)

Larry describes a Billy Idol performance at the Mohegan Sun in Uncasville, Connecticut, where the singer repeatedly mispronounced the town's name. Adam explains the technical reality of gold and platinum record awards from the 1980s. He notes that early awards were often playable metal "mothers" that had to be spun backward to hear the music.

Keywords: mohegan sun, [connecticut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/connecticut.md), gold records, [michael jackson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-jackson.md), aerosmith

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Spotify Podcast Licensing, Fair Use Parody Disputes (27:09–30:13)

Adam Curry details the show's ongoing refusal to host content on Spotify due to restrictive contracts and unwanted advertising. He explains how algorithmic detection often flags parody songs played on the show as copyright violations. The hosts advocate for the use of independent Podcasting 2.0 apps to avoid corporate censorship.

Keywords: [spotify](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spotify.md), soundexchange, [copyright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright.md), [fair use](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fair-use.md), [parody](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parody.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Larry Blytner's Future, Pastor Jimmy and Media Deconstruction (30:14–32:29)

Larry Blytner reflects on his role in the show and his commitment to continuing media deconstruction on Thursdays. He mentions his increasing involvement with Pastor Jimmy and his desire to see the "Gitmo Nation" grow healthier. The hosts compare the current show dynamic to a "morning zoo" format without the traditional industry tropes.

Keywords: larry blytner, [pastor jimmy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pastor-jimmy.md), [detroit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/detroit.md), [media deconstruction](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/media-deconstruction.md), [gitmo nation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gitmo-nation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Morning Zoo Radio History, Ross Brittain and Mr. Leonard (32:29–36:09)

The hosts reminisce about the "Morning Zoo" era of New York radio, specifically mentioning Ross Brittain and the character "Mr. Leonard." Larry shares a story about being fired from WNEW by proxy of Frank Sinatra. They criticize the modern homogenization of radio syndication through hosts like Elvis Duran.

Keywords: ross brittain, [z100](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/z100.md), wnew, mr. leonard, elvis duran

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Frank Sinatra Uber Driver, Aaron Neville Playlist (36:10–37:45)

Adam recounts a recent Uber ride in Oakland where the driver shared photos of himself having drinks with Frank Sinatra at the Stars restaurant. The driver's playlist, featuring George Michael and Aaron Neville, sparked a conversation about the "good old days" of celebrity culture. Larry jokes about this being his own eventual retirement path.

Keywords: [frank sinatra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/frank-sinatra.md), aaron neville, [george michael](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-michael.md), [uber](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uber.md), stars restaurant

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Steve Stevens Signature Guitars, Godin Instruments (37:46–39:17)

The hosts discuss Steve Stevens' signature guitar line with the Canadian company Godin. They remark on the unique designs, including open headstocks and nylon string configurations. The conversation touches on the decline of live instrumentation in favor of synthesized electronic music.

Keywords: [steve stevens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-stevens.md), godin guitars, nylon strings, [willie nelson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/willie-nelson.md), electronic music

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Willie Nelson Anecdotes, Westbury Music Fair (39:18–42:19)

Larry tells a story about meeting Willie Nelson behind a tour bus while fronting a country band called the Cadillac Cowboys. He describes a later performance where an elderly Nelson played a rapid-fire set without breaks. The hosts marvel at the enduring power of musical stardom and the fan reactions Nelson still receives in his 90s.

Keywords: [willie nelson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/willie-nelson.md), westbury music fair, cadillac cowboys, ventura freeway, stardom

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Abdul El-Sayed, Medicare and Systemic Racism Claims (42:20–47:28)

Michigan health official Abdul El-Sayed is criticized for claiming that Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates are a product of structural racism. The hosts reveal that El-Sayed's wife, psychiatrist Sarah Jukaku, operates a private practice that opted out of Medicare. They highlight the irony of her running an "out-of-network" cash-only business while her husband critiques the system.

Keywords: [abdul el-sayed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abdul-el-sayed.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [medicaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicaid.md), [systemic racism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/systemic-racism.md), sarah jukaku

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Jason Arday Plagiarism Scandal, UK Academic Fraud (47:28–53:51)

Professor Jason Arday is compared to George Santos following revelations of extensive lies on his resume and plagiarism in his PhD dissertation. Arday claimed to have been non-verbal until age 11 and to have run 30 marathons in 35 days. Despite these fabrications, he held high-ranking positions at the University of Cambridge and the University of Glasgow.

Keywords: jason arday, [george santos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-santos.md), [university of cambridge](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/university-of-cambridge.md), [plagiarism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plagiarism.md), [autism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/autism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/16.md)

### 17. White House Ballroom Project, Fox News Coverage (53:52–57:07)

Fox News reports on the legal challenges facing President Trump's proposed White House ballroom and a 250-foot arch on the National Mall. A federal appeals court ruled that the president lacks unilateral authority to construct the ballroom using private funds. The report also mentions a new helipad for Marine One on the South Lawn.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [national park service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-park-service.md), [marine one](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marine-one.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/17.md)

### 18. ABC News Report, Trump Ballroom Legal Roadblocks (57:07–1:03:21)

ABC News provides a critical perspective on the $400 million White House ballroom project. The DC Circuit Appeals Court ruled 2-1 that the president is a "tenant" rather than an owner and must seek Congressional approval for major structural changes. Trump has indicated he will appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.

Keywords: [abc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc-news.md), dc circuit appeals court, stephen portnoy, en banc, [supreme court](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/supreme-court.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/18.md)

### 19. White House Security Bunker, FDR Era Soviet Spies (1:03:21–1:06:25)

The hosts discuss the security exceptions in the ballroom ruling, which allow underground construction of a new presidential bunker to continue. They speculate on the need to replace the World War II-era bunker due to potential historical surveillance by Soviet spies in FDR's cabinet. This leads to a discussion on modern surveillance in Airbnbs.

Keywords: [fdr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fdr.md), richard leon, [east wing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/east-wing.md), soviet spies, [airbnb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/airbnb.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/19.md)

### 20. CBS News Coverage, National Park Service Oversight (1:06:26–1:08:25)

CBS News reports that while the above-ground ballroom construction is blocked, military and medical facilities being built underground are permitted for national security reasons. The report emphasizes that the White House grounds are technically a national park under Congressional oversight. The hosts note a shift in CBS's reporting style toward more straightforward news delivery.

Keywords: [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [national park service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-park-service.md), ellison, [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [national security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-security.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Media Deconstruction Methodology, Network vs Cable News (1:08:26–1:11:52)

The hosts explain the "3x3 Experiment" methodology for comparing how different networks cover the same story. They discuss the differences between broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) and cable outlets like CNN and Fox News. They criticize the "echo chamber" effect of panel discussions where all participants share the same opinion.

Keywords: [3x3 experiment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/3x3-experiment.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [newsnation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newsnation.md), [brooke baldwin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brooke-baldwin.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Unusual Church Sermons, Preacher Smidridge in Oklahoma (1:11:52–1:16:50)

Larry recounts a bizarre experience at a New York Catholic church where a priest gave a graphic sermon titled "Jesus is my lover." This is followed by a clip of an aggressive Oklahoma preacher, identified as Preacher Smidridge, who berates his congregation for falling asleep and threatens to refuse to perform a wedding for a "sorry" church member.

Keywords: [catholic church](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/catholic-church.md), [oklahoma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oklahoma.md), baptist, preacher smidridge, homily

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Mike Rowe, Gen Z Screen Time Statistics (1:16:51–1:18:27)

Television host Mike Rowe critiques Generation Z for a lack of community involvement and excessive screen time. He cites statistics showing the average young person spends over 2,000 hours a year on digital devices. Rowe argues that this demographic is failing to volunteer for traditional civic organizations like the Lions Club or Boy Scouts.

Keywords: [mike rowe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-rowe.md), [gen z](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gen-z.md), [screen time](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/screen-time.md), kiwanis club, trust fund kids

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Dumb Phones Trend, Ditching Social Media (1:18:27–1:21:08)

A growing trend among young people involves replacing smartphones with "dumb phones" or flip phones to escape social media addiction. A startup called Dumb.co reports thousands of active users for devices that only support practical tools like Uber and Maps. The hosts discuss the benefits of unplugging to avoid digital grooming and rabbit holes.

Keywords: dumb.co, [flip phones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flip-phones.md), [signal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/signal.md), [telegram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telegram.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Meta Legal Penalties, New Mexico Child Safety Ruling (1:21:08–1:26:01)

A New Mexico judge ordered Meta to pay $567 million to overhaul safety features on Facebook and Instagram to protect minors. This ruling follows a previous $375 million penalty, bringing the total judgment to nearly $1 billion. The state used "public nuisance" laws to argue that Meta failed to protect children from sexual exploitation and mental health harms.

Keywords: [meta](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meta.md), [facebook](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/facebook.md), [instagram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/instagram.md), [new mexico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-mexico.md), public nuisance

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Internet ID Requirements, Government Monetization of Social Media (1:26:02–1:29:58)

The hosts warn that child safety laws are being used as a pretext to implement mandatory digital IDs for all internet users. They point to Illinois, where politicians have proposed taxes on social media companies based on user counts. New Mexico's Attorney General is criticized for celebrating the Meta judgment as a financial victory rather than a safety one.

Keywords: [digital id](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/digital-id.md), [jb pritzker](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jb-pritzker.md), [brandon johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brandon-johnson.md), [illinois](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illinois.md), [new mexico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-mexico.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Parental Rights, California Medical Privacy Laws (1:29:59–1:33:02)

The discussion shifts to laws in California and Illinois that allow children as young as 12 to hide medical records from their parents. The hosts argue this undermines the family unit and aligns with the "it takes a village" philosophy. They characterize these policies as a form of state indoctrination that encourages children to view their parents as "problematic."

Keywords: [gavin newsom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gavin-newsom.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [illinois](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/illinois.md), [hillary clinton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillary-clinton.md), [parental rights](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parental-rights.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Scott Libeto, Newsmax Report on Staten Island Protest (1:33:03–1:37:34)

Staten Island activist Scott Libeto, known for his appearances on Planet Rage, reportedly organized a protest against politician Zoran Mamdani from his hospital bed. Despite recently suffering a major cardiac event, Libeto chartered a plane to fly a banner over New York City. Newsmax covered the story, highlighting Libeto's commitment to his political causes during recovery.

Keywords: scott libeto, [planet rage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/planet-rage.md), [newsmax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newsmax.md), [zoran mamdani](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zoran-mamdani.md), [staten island](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/staten-island.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Elizabeth Warren, Border Security Claims and Public Reaction (1:37:35–1:40:18)

Senator Elizabeth Warren faced public laughter after claiming she has been "tough on the border" during a panel discussion. The hosts argue that such claims are delusional given her previous policy stances. They also discuss the general rise of identity politics and the lack of accountability for political figures on both sides of the aisle.

Keywords: [elizabeth warren](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elizabeth-warren.md), [border security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/border-security.md), [open borders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/open-borders.md), [identity politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/identity-politics.md), [megan kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/megan-kelly.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Sunscreen and Cancer Risks, Matt Gaetz Interview (1:40:19–1:45:14)

Representative Matt Gaetz interviewed a researcher regarding a study of 470,000 people that suggests sunscreen users may face a higher risk of certain skin cancers. The discussion explores the idea that blocking Vitamin D synthesis and exposure to chemicals like oxybenzone may be harmful. The hosts also touch on how diet, specifically high-fructose corn syrup vs. cane sugar, affects health.

Keywords: [matt gaetz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-gaetz.md), [sunscreen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sunscreen.md), [melanoma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/melanoma.md), [vitamin d](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vitamin-d.md), mexican coke

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/30.md)

### 31. WNBA Gender Debate, Clay Travis $10 Million Challenge (1:45:15–1:51:30)

Clay Travis of Outkick Sports offered $10 million to any WNBA championship team that can beat a high school boys' basketball team. The challenge is intended to highlight the physical differences between biological males and females in professional sports. A Minneapolis news anchor criticized the offer as a "sexist joke," while the hosts defend it as a valid test of athletic parity.

Keywords: [wnba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wnba.md), [clay travis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/clay-travis.md), outkick sports, [caitlin clark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/caitlin-clark.md), las vegas aces

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/31.md)

### 32. Royce White and Enes Kanter Freedom, WNBA Declarations (1:51:31–1:56:23)

Former NBA players Royce White and Enes Kanter Freedom have satirically declared their intent to play in the WNBA to protest current gender eligibility guidelines. Stephen A. Smith commented on the situation, arguing that allowing biological men to compete in women's leagues is "ridiculous" and creates an unfair advantage. The hosts support these "points of protest" against gender-neutral sports policies.

Keywords: royce white, enes kanter freedom, [stephen a. smith](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stephen-a-smith.md), [wnba](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wnba.md), [transgender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transgender.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Indiana Fever Coach, Sophie Cunningham and Caitlin Clark (1:56:25–1:59:50)

The head coach of the Indiana Fever is criticized for claiming she is not "scientifically educated" enough to define the difference between men and women. The hosts discuss the physical targeting of players like Caitlin Clark and Sophie Cunningham. They note that a player who committed a flagrant foul against Cunningham later cited "white privilege" on social media.

Keywords: indiana fever, [caitlin clark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/caitlin-clark.md), [sophie cunningham](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sophie-cunningham.md), [identity politics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/identity-politics.md), flagrant foul

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Megyn Kelly, Caitlin Clark and Digital Autism (1:59:51–2:06:32)

Megyn Kelly criticized Caitlin Clark for not taking a stronger public stance on the transgender issue in sports. The hosts discuss the pressure on celebrities to engage in political "pot-stirring." They also touch on the physical appearance of Ariana Grande and the concept of "digitally induced autism" caused by excessive childhood tablet use.

Keywords: [megyn kelly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/megyn-kelly.md), [caitlin clark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/caitlin-clark.md), [ariana grande](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ariana-grande.md), [ozempic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ozempic.md), digital autism

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Keith Olbermann, Countdown Podcast Return (2:06:32–2:10:30)

Keith Olbermann has returned to his "Countdown" podcast after an 88-day hiatus due to heart issues (AFib). The hosts play a parody song mocking Olbermann's aggressive style and his claims that Donald Trump "lost a war" with Iran. They note the irony of Olbermann's doctor advising him to reduce his anger levels given his career as a political pundit.

Keywords: [keith olbermann](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keith-olbermann.md), countdown podcast, afib, [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [planet rage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/planet-rage.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/35.md)

### 36. No Agenda Donations, Artwork and Mike Riley (2:10:35–2:16:18)

The hosts transition to the "Value for Value" segment, encouraging listeners to support the show financially or through artwork. They highlight recent pieces by Mike Riley and Parker Pauly, including a "JCD Buzzkill Shaver" joke. They also mention a "Grim Fauci" piece and discuss the return of the "old art crowd" to the community.

Keywords: [no agenda donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-donations.md), [mike riley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-riley.md), [parker pauly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/parker-pauly.md), [anthony fauci](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthony-fauci.md), [podcasting 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting-2-0.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Executive Producer Credits, Ron V and Lady Butters (2:16:19–2:21:38)

The show acknowledges high-tier donors, including Ron V, who celebrated 40 years of marriage with a $404 donation. Lady Butters and Sir Knives are thanked for their $333 contribution and a note regarding the delivery of Mimi Dvorak's book, "Too Many Eggs." The hosts discuss upcoming meetups in Rhode Island and Connecticut.

Keywords: ron v, lady butters, [sir knives](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sir-knives.md), [too many eggs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/too-many-eggs.md), [rhode island](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rhode-island.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Sponsor segment: Manuka Gold, Health Products and Honey Benefits (2:21:40–2:23:49)

Manuka Gold is featured for their specialty health products made from rare Manuka honey. The company is offering a free travel-size pain relief gel with purchases over $45 and a 20% discount for listeners using the code "TREASURE." The hosts personally endorse the quality and "powerful taste" of the honey products.

Keywords: [manuka gold](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manuka-gold.md), [manuka honey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manuka-honey.md), [pain relief](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pain-relief.md), [treasure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treasure.md), dog health

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/38.md)

### 39. New Knighting, Sir Hasmaticus II and Gigawatt Coffee (2:23:49–2:28:40)

Sir Hasmaticus II is knighted following a $223 donation. Eli the Coffee Guy from Gigawatt Coffee Roasters is thanked for his $208 donation and offers a 20% discount to listeners with the code "ITM20." Linda Lou Patkin of Image Makers Inc is also recognized for her support and her work in professional resume writing.

Keywords: sir hasmaticus ii, [gigawatt coffee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gigawatt-coffee.md), [eli the coffee guy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eli-the-coffee-guy.md), [image makers inc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/image-makers-inc.md), [castle rock](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/castle-rock.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Associate Executive Producers, Global Donor Roll Call (2:28:41–2:37:43)

A long list of donors is read, including Harry Pilgrim, Zadok Brown, and Jennifer Rain. Many donors expressed their condolences for John C. Dvorak, noting his impact as a "pessimistic critical thinking mentor." Contributions arrived from various locations including the Netherlands, Washington State, and New York's Hudson Valley.

Keywords: [harry pilgrim](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/harry-pilgrim.md), zadok brown, jennifer rain, poughkeepsie, [el cerrito](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/el-cerrito.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Birthday List, Anniversary Tributes and Latin Conjugation (2:37:43–2:43:16)

The hosts read more donations tied to John and Mimi's 38th anniversary. Sir Camera Chris receives a birthday shout-out for his 41st birthday. Kevin McLaughlin is thanked for his recurring "boobs" donation. Larry demonstrates his high school Latin skills by conjugating the verb "to be" (sum, es, est).

Keywords: susan kramer, sir camera chris, [kevin mclaughlin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kevin-mclaughlin.md), [latin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/latin.md), [concord](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/concord.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/41.md)

### 42. International Donors, Substitute Teacher Dynamic (2:43:18–2:49:17)

Donations are acknowledged from Japan, Canada, and Sweden. The hosts compare their current role to being "substitute teachers" while Adam Curry takes time off. They encourage listeners to continue the "Value for Value" model to keep the podcast moving forward during the transition period.

Keywords: togo cho, aichi japan, kanakistan, mermaid pei, xenia ohio

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Knighting Ceremony, Sir Hasmaticus II Induction (2:49:18–2:51:04)

Sir Hasmaticus II is formally inducted into the No Agenda Round Table. The ceremony includes the traditional list of "hookers and blow" and instructions for obtaining a custom Knight ring. The segment concludes with a final list of community birthdays, including Ethan (son of Eli the Coffee Guy).

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), sir hasmaticus ii, [no agenda rings](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-rings.md), [round table](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/round-table.md), [birthdays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthdays.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Oregon and Texas Meetup Reports, JCD Memorials (2:51:10–2:54:29)

Audio reports from memorial meetups in Albany, Oregon, and Sunset Valley, Texas, are played. Producers shared their favorite memories of John C. Dvorak and expressed support for his family. The Texas meetup, organized by the Black Viscount, saw nearly 40 attendees gather to "pour one out" for the late host.

Keywords: albany oregon, sunset valley texas, local 512, black viscount, [jcd memorial](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jcd-memorial.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/44.md)

### 45. Austin and Memphis Meetup Audio, Recalibrating BS Detectors (2:54:29–2:58:38)

Additional meetup reports from Austin and Memphis feature producers thanking Dvorak for "recalibrating their BS detectors." One producer noted that NewsGuard reduced the New York Times' credibility score after he reported on Dvorak's birthday. The atmosphere at High Cotton Brewing in Memphis was described as a mix of mourning and celebration.

Keywords: [austin texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/austin-texas.md), memphis tennessee, high cotton brewing, [newsguard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/newsguard.md), [buzzkill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/buzzkill.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/45.md)

### 46. International Tributes, Perth and Fremantle Australia (2:58:38–3:02:30)

Producers in Western Australia held a somber tribute to Dvorak on a "cold wet day" in Fremantle. They described him as the "uncle they never had" and a captain who led them through different ways of thinking. The Australian contingent expressed their commitment to supporting the show's continuation.

Keywords: [perth australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/perth-australia.md), fremantle, [western australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/western-australia.md), [melbourne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/melbourne.md), [kirkland bordeaux](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kirkland-bordeaux.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Canadian and Delaware Meetups, The Vinegar Book (3:02:31–3:04:47)

A small meetup in Hamilton, Ontario, sparked a question about the status of Dvorak's "Vinegar Book." The hosts clarify that it was more of a pamphlet and may be rolled into a future Dvorak family cookbook. Another report from Wilmington, Delaware, featured long-time listeners sharing their grief and appreciation for the show.

Keywords: hamilton ontario, wilmington delaware, [vinegar book](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vinegar-book.md), dwight the knight, mooncache

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/47.md)

### 48. California and Colorado Meetups, Six-Week Cycle (3:04:47–3:08:20)

Meetup reports from Sonoma County and Denver highlight the impact Dvorak had on listeners' ability to avoid the "six-week news cycle." Producers in Denver City Park shared memories of Dvorak's "I get no spam!" catchphrase. The Sonoma group reminisced about meeting Dvorak in person on several occasions.

Keywords: [sonoma county](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sonoma-county.md), denver colorado, placerville, [six-week cycle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/six-week-cycle.md), soothsayer

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/48.md)

### 49. Snohomish Washington Meetup, Sir Bemros Sighting (3:08:20–3:10:49)

A meetup in Snohomish, Washington, featured a rare public appearance by Sir Bemros. Attendees shared their favorite Dvorak clips, including his "stoned" segments and his impressions of Mark Levin. The group toasted Dvorak with Kirkland Bordeaux, a brand he frequently mentioned on the show.

Keywords: snohomish washington, sir bemros, [mark levin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-levin.md), [kirkland bordeaux](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kirkland-bordeaux.md), sasquatch

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Central Jersey Meetup, 3BR Distillery (3:10:49–3:13:43)

The Central Jersey meetup took place at the 3BR Distillery in Keyport. Producers compared the loss of Dvorak to the retirement of legendary Yankees voice John Sterling. The group shared a final "fist nuts" salute and thanked the distillery owner for hosting the memorial gathering.

Keywords: keyport new jersey, 3br distillery, john sterling, yankees, fist nuts

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Upcoming Meetups Calendar, Global Event Schedule (3:13:43–3:18:11)

The hosts read an extensive list of upcoming meetups scheduled through November 2026. Locations include Zurich, Switzerland; Tbilisi, Georgia; and numerous cities across the United States. Listeners are encouraged to visit noagendameetups.com to find local gatherings and connect with other producers.

Keywords: [noagendameetups.com](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/noagendameetups-com.md), [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [switzerland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/switzerland.md), [north carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-carolina.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/51.md)

### 52. Show Outro, End of Show Mixes (3:18:12–3:20:49)

Darren and Larry conclude the live broadcast from "FEMA Region No. 5." They preview upcoming content on the No Agenda stream and thank Ben Bros for his work in the back room. The episode ends with a series of "End of Show Mixes" from Gary in Gilroy, Sir Chris Wilson, and CSB.

Keywords: ben bros, gary in gilroy, [sir chris wilson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sir-chris-wilson.md), csb, chirac

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/52.md)

### 53. Comic Strip Blogger, Dvorak Twitter Block Story (3:20:50–3:33:53)

Comic Strip Blogger (CSB) shares two stories about John C. Dvorak, including an instance where Dvorak blocked him on Twitter for several years. The conflict arose after CSB suggested Dvorak seek Polish citizenship to gain EU freedom of movement. The segment concludes with a parody song titled "Walk on the Child Side," mocking various media figures and politicians.

Keywords: [comic strip blogger](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/comic-strip-blogger.md), [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [poland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poland.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), woodchippers

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1893-en-banc/chapter/53.md)

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