# Hatman

> A reported breakthrough in the Persian Gulf meets skepticism as the DNC grapples with a scathing election autopsy and the intelligence community faces a leadership vacuum.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1871
- **Published:** 2026-05-24
- **Length:** 2h 47m
- **People:** [Adam Curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/adam-curry.md) (host), [John C Dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/john-c-dvorak.md) (host)
- **Topics:** Iran Peace Deal, DNC Autopsy, [Tulsi Gabbard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tulsi-gabbard.md), [Strait of Hormuz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strait-of-hormuz.md), Crypto Sanctions, [Thomas Massie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-massie.md), Green Card Policy
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman

## About this episode

Donald Trump announced a breakthrough peace deal with Iran via Truth Social, though Iranian state media and the BBC remain skeptical of a formal ceasefire. Secretary of State Marco Rubio indicates progress on uranium enrichment and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, while Pakistan’s army chief facilitates high-stakes mediation in Tehran. The potential 60-day memorandum of understanding aims to lift U.S. blockades and release frozen assets amid leadership transitions in the Iranian government.

The U.S. Treasury Department recently froze $500 million in cryptocurrency linked to the Iranian regime as Tehran attempts to launch a Bitcoin-based insurance platform for cargo ships. Domestically, DNC Chairman Ken Martin faces resignation calls following a 192-page election autopsy that critics say fails to address Kamala Harris’s disconnect with rural voters. In Kentucky, Representative Thomas Massie suffered a primary defeat after opposing the SAVE Act, while Senator John Cornyn faces backlash for maintaining the Senate filibuster against MAGA-aligned voter ID legislation. Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security issued a memo requiring non-immigrants to return home to apply for green cards, signaling a major shift in visa processing.

Retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward became the center of a bizarre conspiracy theory involving hyper-realistic masks during a Fox News appearance, which the hosts attribute to aggressive studio lighting. ABC News correspondent Selena Wang faced ridicule for mistaking White House gunfire for fireworks during a live report. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard announced her resignation to care for her husband, leaving Aaron Lucas as the acting director during the ongoing Persian Gulf crisis.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/transcript.md.

### 1. Gaylord Opryland Hotel, K-Love Music Awards, Technical Issues (0:00–4:50)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show from Nashville, Tennessee, where Curry is attending the K-Love Music Awards at the Gaylord Opryland Hotel. Curry describes the "biodome" environment of the hotel and a worship service led by Pastor Levi Lusko. Technical difficulties are noted, including a failing SSD drive and the transition to using a Roadcaster Pro on Linux.

Keywords: [nashville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nashville.md), gaylord opryland hotel, k-love music awards, contemporary christian music, levi lusko, ssd failure

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Donald Trump, Iran Peace Deal, BBC Analysis (4:51–14:11)

Donald Trump announced on Truth Social that a peace deal with Iran has been largely negotiated, though Iranian state media and the BBC express skepticism. Secretary of State Marco Rubio suggests progress is being made regarding uranium enrichment and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. The hosts analyze the conflicting reports and the lack of concrete evidence regarding a formal ceasefire or blockade lifting.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [iran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iran.md), [strait of hormuz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strait-of-hormuz.md), [marco rubio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marco-rubio.md), [bbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc.md), [nuclear weapons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nuclear-weapons.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Pakistan Mediation, Iranian Leadership, 60-Day Ceasefire Negotiations (14:12–19:00)

Pakistan's army chief is acting as a key mediator between the United States and Iran, facilitating talks in Tehran. Reports from BBC Persian suggest the discussions center on a memorandum of understanding for a 30 to 60-day ceasefire to negotiate the lifting of U.S. blockades and the release of frozen assets. Uncertainty remains regarding who is officially speaking for the Iranian government following recent leadership changes.

Keywords: [pakistan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pakistan.md), [tehran](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tehran.md), ismail baghaieh, [mullahs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mullahs.md), [memorandum of understanding](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memorandum-of-understanding.md), [shia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Financial War, Shipping Insurance, Strait of Hormuz Tolls (19:00–25:49)

The conflict in the Persian Gulf is characterized as a financial war involving maritime insurance and shipping blockades. While the U.S. claims CENTCOM is enforcing a blockade to prevent commerce, Iran is reportedly attempting to implement a tolling system for vessels entering the Strait of Hormuz. Thousands of sailors remain trapped on commercial vessels due to the ongoing stalemate and lack of insurance coverage.

Keywords: [lloyds of london](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lloyds-of-london.md), [maritime insurance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maritime-insurance.md), [centcom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/centcom.md), [marco rubio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marco-rubio.md), [strait of hormuz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strait-of-hormuz.md), [shipping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/shipping.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Iran Crypto Sanction Evasion, Bitcoin Insurance, Oil Prices (25:50–30:25)

The U.S. Treasury Department reports freezing nearly $500 million in cryptocurrency linked to the Iranian regime to sever military financial lifelines. Iran is allegedly launching a digital insurance platform for cargo ships that accepts Bitcoin to bypass international banking sanctions. Market analysts observe that while regional tensions are flaring, the price of crude oil has fluctuated as the narrative of a potential deal develops.

Keywords: [bitcoin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bitcoin.md), [cryptocurrency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cryptocurrency.md), [u.s. treasury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/u-s-treasury.md), [sanctions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sanctions.md), [crude oil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crude-oil.md), [stablecoin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stablecoin.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Democratic National Committee, 2024 Election Autopsy, Ken Martin (30:27–35:44)

DNC Chairman Ken Martin released a 192-page draft autopsy of the 2024 election, drawing criticism from party insiders for its timing and content. The report suggests Kamala Harris failed to connect with rural voters and lacked sufficient negative firepower against Donald Trump. Critics within the party, including former aides to Harris and Bernie Sanders, are calling for Martin's resignation amid falling fundraising numbers.

Keywords: [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), [ken martin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ken-martin.md), [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), election autopsy, [rural voters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rural-voters.md), [fundraising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fundraising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Mayor Zohran Mamdani, Twitch Livestreams, Political Social Media Strategy (35:45–41:22)

New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani is utilizing Twitch and podcasts to bypass traditional media and connect directly with voters. The strategy, compared to FDR's fireside chats and Fiorello LaGuardia's radio broadcasts, involves "relatable" content and answering questions about city budgets and personal interests. The hosts discuss the trend of politicians using social media to circumvent pointed questions from reporters.

Keywords: [zohran mamdani](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zohran-mamdani.md), [twitch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitch.md), [new york city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-york-city.md), [gavin newsom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gavin-newsom.md), [fdr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fdr.md), fiorello laguardia

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Thomas Massie, Kentucky Primary Defeat, Israel Policy (41:22–51:02)

Representative Thomas Massie's recent primary defeat in Kentucky is analyzed through the lens of his voting record and opposition to the SAVE Act. While some attribute his loss to spending by pro-Israel groups and Miriam Adelson, others argue he lost support in his red district by obstructing the Trump agenda. The hosts also touch on Ken Paxton's involvement in local Texas legal matters affecting the Fredericksburg area.

Keywords: [thomas massie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-massie.md), [ken paxton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ken-paxton.md), [victor davis hanson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victor-davis-hanson.md), [kentucky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kentucky.md), [libertarian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libertarian.md), [miriam adelson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/miriam-adelson.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/8.md)

### 9. John Cornyn, SAVE Act, Senate Filibuster (51:02–53:12)

Senator John Cornyn is criticized for his stance on the SAVE Act and his perceived obstruction of the MAGA agenda as he nears the end of his term. The discussion focuses on the difficulty of passing voter ID legislation without nuking the Senate filibuster, as Democrats are expected to block the measure. The hosts suggest that outgoing Republican senators are increasingly out of step with the party's base.

Keywords: [john cornyn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-cornyn.md), [save america act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/save-america-act.md), [voter id](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/voter-id.md), [filibuster](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/filibuster.md), [mitch mcconnell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mitch-mcconnell.md), [maga](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maga.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Robert Harward, Fox News Mask Conspiracy, Biden Impersonators (53:13–59:14)

Social media users have circulated a conspiracy theory that Retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward wore a hyper-realistic mask during a Fox News interview due to unusual shadows on his neck. The hosts dismiss the "Maskgate" theory as a result of studio lighting and digital smoothing filters. The segment transitions into a discussion about rumors regarding Joe Biden impersonators being used for public appearances.

Keywords: [robert harward](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-harward.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [mission impossible](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mission-impossible.md), maskgate, [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), internet sleuths

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/10.md)

### 11. White House Shooting, Nasir Best, Surveillance Realities (59:14–1:04:14)

A suspect identified as Nasir Best was fatally shot by Secret Service agents near the White House after entering a restricted area. Despite Best having a history of mental health issues and prior interactions with law enforcement, the hosts argue this proves that government surveillance systems like Palantir and Flock cameras are not as effective as public perception suggests. They emphasize that law enforcement often fails to track known individuals despite advanced technology.

Keywords: nasir best, [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), [palantir](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/palantir.md), flock cameras, [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Selena Wang, White House Gunfire Reaction, Metric System Usage (1:04:15–1:06:59)

ABC News correspondent Selena Wang's reaction to gunfire at the White House is critiqued after she initially mistook the shots for fireworks. The hosts mock her for continuing to report for several seconds before taking cover. They also question her use of "meters" to describe the distance, jokingly suggesting it indicates foreign influence in American journalism.

Keywords: [selena wang](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/selena-wang.md), [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md), [white house](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-house.md), [fireworks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fireworks.md), [metric system](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/metric-system.md), [reporting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reporting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Trump Administration, Green Card Policy Shift, H-1B Visas (1:06:59–1:12:43)

A new Department of Homeland Security memo requires non-immigrants in the U.S. to return to their home countries to apply for green cards. This policy shift aims to return to the original intent of immigration law and impacts students, temporary workers, and tourists. While immigration attorneys warn of potential lawsuits and family disruptions, the hosts support the move as a way to prevent people from staying indefinitely during processing.

Keywords: [uscis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/uscis.md), [green cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/green-cards.md), [h-1b visa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/h-1b-visa.md), [department of homeland security](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-homeland-security.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [trump administration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump-administration.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Tulsi Gabbard Resignation, Aaron Lucas, Intelligence Community Vacancies (1:12:44–1:23:20)

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard announced her resignation to support her husband, who was diagnosed with a rare bone cancer. Aaron Lucas will serve as the acting director, though critics note the lack of Senate-confirmed leadership in key intelligence positions during the conflict with Iran. The hosts discuss the media's portrayal of her departure and her history of clashing with the intelligence establishment.

Keywords: [tulsi gabbard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tulsi-gabbard.md), aaron lucas, [dni](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dni.md), bone cancer, [john ratcliffe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-ratcliffe.md), [nctc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nctc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Russiagate Declassification, James Clapper, Admiral Michael Rogers (1:23:22–1:28:19)

Newly declassified emails from 2016 reveal that then-NSA Director Michael Rogers raised concerns about the integrity of the intelligence product regarding Russian interference in the DNC hack. James Clapper reportedly pressured agencies to align on a "team sport" narrative despite Rogers' warnings about insufficient review time. These documents have been referred to the Justice Department for further investigation by Attorney General Pam Bondi.

Keywords: [james clapper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-clapper.md), [michael rogers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-rogers.md), [nsa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nsa.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [russiagate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russiagate.md), [dnc hack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc-hack.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Joe DiGenova, Florida Grand Jury, Spygate Investigation (1:28:20–1:30:15)

Joe DiGenova has reportedly been tapped to oversee a federal grand jury investigation in Fort Pierce, Florida, focusing on former officials involved in the Trump investigations. The probe, overseen by Judge Aileen Cannon, targets "deep state" actors and the origins of the Spygate scandal. The hosts debate the likelihood of this investigation producing significant results compared to previous efforts.

Keywords: [joe digenova](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-digenova.md), [spygate](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spygate.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), eileen cannon, [doj](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/doj.md), [grand jury](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grand-jury.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Pentagon UFO Files, Kazakhstan Sighting, Chinese Spy Balloons (1:30:15–1:33:01)

The Pentagon has released over 50 declassified videos and accounts of unidentified aerial phenomena, including footage from Kazakhstan and military encounters with orange orbs. The report includes audio from astronauts and footage of an F-16 shooting down an object over Lake Huron in 2023. Experts maintain that the footage does not prove extraterrestrial life, while the hosts link the timing to upcoming Hollywood releases.

Keywords: [ufo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ufo.md), [pentagon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pentagon.md), [kazakhstan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kazakhstan.md), [f-16](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/f-16.md), [chinese spy balloon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chinese-spy-balloon.md), [declassified](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/declassified.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Ebola Outbreak, Democratic Republic of Congo, Deborah Birx (1:33:00–1:40:55)

Health officials in the Democratic Republic of Congo report over 200 deaths in a new Ebola outbreak, leading to flight suspensions and travel restrictions. Dr. Deborah Birx discusses the failure of the African CDC to detect the outbreak early despite hundreds of millions in global investment. Birx defends the Trump administration's funding levels, contradicting narratives that the dismantling of USAID led to the crisis.

Keywords: [ebola](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ebola.md), [drc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drc.md), [deborah birx](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deborah-birx.md), [usaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/usaid.md), [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), african cdc

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Kratom Ban, Tennessee Legislation, AI Lawsuit (1:40:55–1:45:30)

Tennessee has passed a ban on Kratom, a Southeast Asian plant often used to manage pain or opioid addiction. The legislation follows a controversial case involving a teenager's death, though a toxicology report suggests a lethal dose of Benadryl was the primary cause. Lawmakers cited concerns over synthetic "7-hydroxy" versions of the plant, which are significantly more potent than morphine.

Keywords: [kratom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kratom.md), [tennessee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tennessee.md), benadryl, [toxicology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/toxicology.md), 7-hydroxy, gas station heroin

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/19.md)

### 20. NAACP Recruitment Boycott, California Governor Polls, Steve Hilton (1:45:31–1:47:49)

The NAACP is urging black athletes to boycott public universities in states that are redrawing congressional maps to dilute black voting power. In California, a new poll shows Republican commentator Steve Hilton leading the primary for governor with 22%, closely followed by Democrat Javier Becerra. The hosts discuss the potential for two Republicans to advance to the general election under the state's top-two system.

Keywords: [naacp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/naacp.md), college athletes, [steve hilton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/steve-hilton.md), [javier becerra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/javier-becerra.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [redistricting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/redistricting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Elon Musk, OpenAI Lawsuit, Gemini AI Artifacts (1:47:50–1:48:49)

A federal jury has dismissed Elon Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI and Sam Altman, ruling that Musk waited too long to file his claims of illegal enrichment. In a separate story, a Lyft driver was banned after using Google's Gemini AI to generate false images of car damage to charge a passenger. The hosts highlight the increasing presence of AI-generated artifacts in legal and commercial disputes.

Keywords: [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [sam altman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sam-altman.md), [gemini](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gemini.md), [lyft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lyft.md), ai photos

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/21.md)

### 22. CBS Radio Sign-Off, David Ellison, Skydance Media (1:48:50–1:52:33)

CBS Radio is officially silencing its microphones and laying off staff following the company's sale to David Ellison's Skydance Media. The hosts reflect on the history of the network, from Edward R. Murrow to the invention of broadcast news, and its decline in the age of smartphones and podcasts. Adam Curry shares a personal anecdote about buying a house from CBS legend Dallas Townsend in 1990.

Keywords: cbs radio, [david ellison](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-ellison.md), [skydance media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/skydance-media.md), [edward r. murrow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/edward-r-murrow.md), fireside chats, [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Minnesota Classic Car Bill, Driving Restrictions, Surveillance (1:52:33–1:54:08)

A proposed bill in Minnesota seeks to limit the driving of classic cars to weekends and special events, sparking concerns among enthusiasts. While the bill may be tied to cheaper registration fees, the hosts speculate it is a move to phase out older vehicles that lack modern tracking technology. They suggest this fits into a broader narrative of increasing surveillance through data centers and license plate readers.

Keywords: [minnesota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minnesota.md), [classic cars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/classic-cars.md), [registration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/registration.md), [license plate readers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/license-plate-readers.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md), [data centers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-centers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/23.md)

### 24. SpaceX IPO, AI Infrastructure, Jeff Bezos Productivity (1:54:08–1:59:33)

SpaceX has filed a 308-page prospectus for its IPO, revealing significant investment in AI infrastructure despite heavy losses in that segment. The company's valuation is estimated at $2 trillion, far exceeding traditional sales multiples. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos argues that AI will not take jobs but will instead act as a "bulldozer" for productivity, potentially leading to a labor shortage and deflation in core goods like food.

Keywords: [spacex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spacex.md), [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), [ipo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ipo.md), [anthropic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthropic.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [jeff bezos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeff-bezos.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Value for Value Model, Podcast Apps, No Agenda Art (1:59:34–2:07:26)

The hosts discuss the "Value for Value" funding model and the benefits of modern podcast apps that support live streams and rapid publishing. They review recent artwork submissions from the No Agenda community, including a piece by Nessworks for episode 1870. Adam Curry encourages listeners to contribute time, talent, or treasure to keep the show independent and advertiser-free.

Keywords: [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [podcasting 2.0](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting-2-0.md), [nessworks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nessworks.md), [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [memorial day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memorial-day.md), [nashville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nashville.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Executive Producer Donations, Red Knighting, Health Karma (2:07:26–2:14:15)

Adam and John acknowledge high-tier donors who have contributed $200 or more to the show. Christian Sutton Jensen is knighted as a Red Knight while requesting health karma for his aunt. Catty Bones honors her late husband, Jim, with a posthumous Red Knighthood, and Aaron Lopez becomes a Red Knight as he enters his final year of college, requesting accounting job karma.

Keywords: christian sutton jensen, vincent james, catty bones, aaron lopez, [red knight](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/red-knight.md), [karma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/karma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Associate Executive Producers, V4V Book Model, Small Business Shoutouts (2:14:19–2:23:06)

The donation segment continues with contributions from Associate Executive Producers. Matthew Benjamin Clark discusses applying the Value for Value model to his books, while small business owners like Eli the Coffee Guy and Linda Lupatkin promote their services. The hosts offer advice on the V4V model for authors and play requested jingles for the donors.

Keywords: dame melovation, matt b. clark, [la jolla salt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/la-jolla-salt.md), [gigawatt coffee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gigawatt-coffee.md), [image makers inc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/image-makers-inc.md), [resumes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/resumes.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/27.md)

### 28. No Agenda Meetups, Indianapolis Raffle, Los Angeles Report (2:23:08–2:27:49)

Reports from recent No Agenda meetups in Indianapolis and Los Angeles are shared, featuring audio from producers and servers. The Indianapolis group held a donation raffle, while the Los Angeles group met at The Proud Bird for plane spotting. The hosts emphasize the importance of these local gatherings for building the No Agenda community and regulating the "amygdala."

Keywords: [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [indianapolis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indianapolis.md), [los angeles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/los-angeles.md), proud bird, [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/community.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Peerage Upgrades, Knighting Ceremony, Upcoming Meetups (2:27:52–2:35:15)

Ben Sterling is upgraded to the rank of Viscount, and several new knights are officially brought into the Order of the Heart. The hosts announce a long list of upcoming meetups in locations ranging from Anchorage, Alaska, to Rotterdam, Netherlands. Adam Curry mentions a mini-meetup he attended at Arnold's BBQ in Nashville.

Keywords: [viscount](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viscount.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [order of the heart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/order-of-the-heart.md), [nashville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nashville.md), [anchorage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anchorage.md), [rotterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rotterdam.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Salt Substitutes, K-Love Awards, End of Show Mix (2:35:17–2:47:03)

John Dvorak provides a "Tip of the Day" regarding salt-free seasoning, recommending Badia Complete Seasoning for heart patients. Adam Curry prepares for the K-Love Awards at the Grand Ole Opry, noting that the event will air on TBN. The episode concludes with a custom music mix by Molly Berry and a sign-off from both hosts.

Keywords: badia seasoning, salt substitute, [k-love awards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/k-love-awards.md), tbn, molly berry, [end of show mix](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/end-of-show-mix.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1871-hatman/chapter/30.md)

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