# Zeds

> A high-stakes Senate hearing on the future of the HHS clashes with new warnings of lethal viruses and a bipartisan push to unseal the Epstein files.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1796
- **Published:** 2025-09-04
- **Length:** 3h 38m
- **People:** [Adam Curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/adam-curry.md) (host), [John C Dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/john-c-dvorak.md) (host)
- **Topics:** RFK Jr., [Epstein Files](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epstein-files.md), [Osterholm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/osterholm.md), AI Psychosis, Machete Amnesty, Warp Speed, [C-SPAN](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds

## About this episode

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. faced a contentious Senate Finance Committee hearing where Senator Ron Wyden and Senator Elizabeth Warren challenged his 2026 health agenda. The testimony centered on the ousting of CDC Director Dr. Susan Menendez and allegations regarding the Office of Refugee Resettlement, while Kennedy countered with plans to shift HHS focus toward chronic disease and ultra-processed foods. Over 1,000 HHS employees have reportedly signed a letter demanding Kennedy’s resignation as the administration pivots away from federal mRNA research grants.

Dr. Michael Osterholm warned of a lethal new virus discovered in Chinese bats during a CBS Mornings appearance to promote his book, The Big One. Simultaneously, the West Coast Health Alliance formed between Washington, Oregon, and California to issue independent vaccine guidance, bypassing the CDC. In Florida, Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo and Governor Ron DeSantis announced a total ban on state vaccine mandates for schools and daycares. Meanwhile, Donald Trump demanded Pfizer release all internal data on the success of Operation Warp Speed, and Congressmen Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna launched a bipartisan petition to force the release of the Department of Justice files on Jeffrey Epstein.

John C. Dvorak recommends the Max Flat Clinch Stapler for those still handling physical dossiers in an increasingly digital world. Adam Curry celebrates his 61st birthday with a wave of peerage elevations and the official title of Secretary General of Podcasting. The show deconstructs a hot mic moment between Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin that reveals a surprising shared interest in biotechnology and anti-aging peptides.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/transcript.md.

### 1. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Senate Finance Committee Hearing (0:00–4:58)

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. testified before the Senate Committee on Finance regarding the 2026 health care agenda. During the hearing, Senator Elizabeth Warren criticized Kennedy for the ousting of CDC Director Dr. Susan Menendez, while Kennedy alleged Warren had previously voted against Menendez's confirmation. Over 1,000 HHS employees have reportedly signed a letter calling for Kennedy's resignation, citing risks to public health.

Keywords: [robert f. kennedy jr.](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-f-kennedy-jr.md), [senate finance committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/senate-finance-committee.md), [elizabeth warren](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elizabeth-warren.md), [big pharma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/big-pharma.md), susan menendez

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Michael Osterholm, The Big One Pandemic Warning (5:00–10:43)

Dr. Michael Osterholm appeared on CBS Mornings to promote his new book, "The Big One: How We Must Prepare for Future Deadly Pandemics." Osterholm warned of a potential "combo" virus that is as infectious as COVID-19 but as lethal as MERS or SARS, which he claims has been discovered in bats in China within the last year. The timing of the book release and media appearance is noted as coinciding with the RFK Jr. Senate hearings.

Keywords: [michael osterholm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-osterholm.md), [cbs mornings](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-mornings.md), the big one, [coronavirus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/coronavirus.md), [bats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bats.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/2.md)

### 3. mRNA Vaccine Funding, Public Health System Debate (10:44–16:09)

A debate regarding the future of public health infrastructure centers on the Trump administration's reported decision to stop funding certain mRNA vaccine technology grants. Critics argue the public health system is being destroyed by a move toward "magic smoke and mirrors," while others contend that profitable corporations like Pfizer and Moderna should fund their own research rather than relying on government subsidies.

Keywords: [mrna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mrna.md), [pfizer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pfizer.md), [moderna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moderna.md), [public health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-health.md), [grants](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grants.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Senator Ron Wyden, Office of Refugee Resettlement Allegations (16:09–20:23)

Senator Ron Wyden accused Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of overseeing the "disappearance" of hundreds of children from Office of Refugee Resettlement facilities. Wyden alleged that children were rounded up at night and flown to Guatemala against their will. The exchange included references to Kennedy's past flights on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet as a counter-argument to his claims of being a protector of children.

Keywords: [ron wyden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-wyden.md), office of refugee resettlement, [guatemala](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/guatemala.md), [jeffrey epstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-epstein.md), [human trafficking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/human-trafficking.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/4.md)

### 5. HHS Chronic Disease Strategy, CDC Reform Plans (20:24–26:49)

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. outlined an HHS shift from "sick care" to a "healthcare system" focusing on the root causes of chronic disease, including ultra-processed foods and fluoride in drinking water. He announced plans to end gain-of-function research and reduce animal testing. Kennedy also defended the removal of CDC officials, citing the agency's "nonsensical" policies during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Keywords: [hhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hhs.md), [chronic disease](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chronic-disease.md), [fluoride](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fluoride.md), [gain-of-function](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gain-of-function.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Rural Hospital Funding, One Big Beautiful Bill (26:49–29:28)

Senator Mike Crapo and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. discussed the "One Big Beautiful Bill," which allocates $50 billion over five years to support rural hospitals. Kennedy stated this represents a 50% increase in funding for rural communities to prevent further hospital closures. The discussion also referenced coordination with Dr. Mehmet Oz regarding CMS oversight.

Keywords: rural hospitals, [medicaid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicaid.md), one big beautiful bill, senator crapo, [dr. oz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dr-oz.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Summer COVID-19 Surge, Wastewater Monitoring Precautions (29:29–34:20)

Health officials in Yolo County, California, and Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, report an uptick in COVID-19 levels based on wastewater monitoring. Despite symptoms being described as "cold-like," officials are recommending indoor masking for high-risk individuals. The CDC continues to recommend boosters, though some reports indicate a temporary lapse in vaccine availability between seasonal formulations.

Keywords: [covid-19](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/covid-19.md), [wastewater](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wastewater.md), yolo county, [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [masks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/masks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Peter Chin-Hong, NPR Vaccine Guidance Segment (34:20–41:55)

Dr. Peter Chin-Hong appeared on NPR's "Consider This" to answer listener questions regarding the latest FDA vaccine guidance. The segment addressed the recommendation for adults over 65 to receive vaccinations twice a year due to waning immunity. Chin-Hong also discussed how individuals under 65 with pre-existing conditions, such as obesity or depression, might qualify for boosters.

Keywords: peter chin-hong, [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [boosters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boosters.md), [pre-existing conditions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pre-existing-conditions.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Off-Label Vaccine Prescriptions, Pharmacy Access Issues (41:56–46:47)

A discussion regarding "off-label" use of COVID-19 vaccines explains that clinicians can prescribe shots for groups not officially listed in FDA recommendations. However, barriers remain regarding whether pharmacists will honor these prescriptions and whether insurance companies will cover the costs. The shift toward pharmacy-based vaccination is contrasted with traditional doctor-office visits.

Keywords: off-label, [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [walgreens](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walgreens.md), [cvs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cvs.md), [prescriptions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prescriptions.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Pediatric Vaccination, West Coast Health Alliance (46:48–52:28)

The governors of Washington, Oregon, and California have launched the West Coast Health Alliance to issue independent vaccine recommendations, citing the politicization of the CDC. While the alliance aims to follow guidance from the American Academy of Pediatrics, concerns are raised regarding insurance coverage for healthy children and the potential for "shadow systems" of public health.

Keywords: [pediatric vaccines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pediatric-vaccines.md), west coast health alliance, [washington](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington.md), [oregon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oregon.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Joseph Ladapo, Florida Vaccine Mandate Removal (52:30–57:02)

Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo and Governor Ron DeSantis announced plans to end all vaccine mandates in Florida law, including those for daycare and schools. Ladapo framed the decision as a matter of "medical freedom" and bodily autonomy, stating that the government does not have the right to dictate what individuals put into their bodies.

Keywords: [joseph ladapo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joseph-ladapo.md), [ron desantis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ron-desantis.md), [florida](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florida.md), [vaccine mandates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccine-mandates.md), [medical freedom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-freedom.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Donald Trump, Operation Warp Speed Pivot (57:04–58:59)

Donald Trump posted a message on Truth Social demanding that Pfizer and other drug companies release data justifying the success of COVID-19 vaccines. Trump expressed a desire to clear up the "mess" regarding the success or failure of the drugs, signaling a potential pivot in his stance on Operation Warp Speed and the pharmaceutical industry.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [truth social](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/truth-social.md), [operation warp speed](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/operation-warp-speed.md), [pfizer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pfizer.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/12.md)

### 13. SSRI Studies, Chronic Disease in Children (58:59–1:00:27)

A discussion during the Senate hearings touched on the lack of long-term studies regarding SSRIs and other drugs prescribed to children. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. argued that the CDC and NIH have failed to investigate the potential links between these medications and behavioral issues, advocating for new leadership to prioritize such research.

Keywords: [ssris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ssris.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [nih](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nih.md), [chronic disease](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chronic-disease.md), [mental health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mental-health.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Mail-in Ballots, West Coast Political Corruption (1:00:28–1:05:04)

A tangent explores the voting systems in the Pacific Northwest, noting that Oregon and Washington utilize 100% mail-in ballots. The discussion links these "shadow systems" to broader themes of political corruption and the influence of the American Academy of Pediatrics on regional health policy.

Keywords: [mail-in ballots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mail-in-ballots.md), [dominion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dominion.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [oregon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oregon.md), [washington](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/14.md)

### 15. C-SPAN, YouTube TV, ESPN 4K Broadcasts (1:05:04–1:10:18)

C-SPAN is reportedly joining the YouTube TV lineup, a shift from its traditional funding model via cable providers. The discussion covers the presence of ads on C-SPAN's web stream and the "Moment of Zen" placeholders on YouTube TV. Additionally, technical glitches in ESPN's 4K college football feeds are noted, where commercial breaks are often replaced by silent stadium shots.

Keywords: [c-span](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/c-span.md), [youtube tv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/youtube-tv.md), [espn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/espn.md), [4k](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/4k.md), [advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/advertising.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Treasury Department, Tax-Free Tips for Content Creators (1:10:19–1:16:28)

The U.S. Treasury Department released a list of 68 occupations that may qualify for a $25,000 tax deduction on tips. Notably, the list includes "Digital Content Creators" who produce podcasts and live streams, alongside traditional tipped roles like bartenders, dancers, and caddies. The inclusion of "escorts" and "self-enrichment teachers" is also highlighted.

Keywords: [treasury department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treasury-department.md), [taxes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxes.md), [tips](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tips.md), digital content creators, [podcasts](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasts.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/16.md)

### 17. Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin Hot Mic Incident (1:16:30–1:22:56)

A hot mic captured Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin discussing biotechnology and organ transplants during a military parade in Beijing. While some outlets linked the conversation to allegations of state-sanctioned organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners, a deconstruction suggests the leaders were discussing life extension and mortality. Putin's interest in peptides and anti-aging treatments is also noted.

Keywords: [xi jinping](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xi-jinping.md), [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [organ harvesting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/organ-harvesting.md), [falun gong](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/falun-gong.md), [peptides](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peptides.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Jesse Watters, Man on the Street Beach Interviews (1:22:57–1:27:06)

A segment from Jesse Watters' Fox News show features "Man on the Street" interviews at the Jersey Shore, highlighting the perceived lack of geographical and political knowledge among beachgoers. Participants struggled to identify the leader of China or the location of major world conflicts, providing comedic commentary on the American public.

Keywords: [jesse watters](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jesse-watters.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [jersey shore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jersey-shore.md), [geography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geography.md), [satire](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satire.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Generation Z, Anxiety Over Refueling Cars (1:27:06–1:29:33)

A study from the United Kingdom reports that 62% of individuals aged 18-24 experience anxiety when refueling their cars. The survey suggests young drivers worry about positioning the vehicle correctly at the pump or using the wrong fuel type. This trend is linked to the rise of ride-sharing services and electric vehicles among younger populations.

Keywords: [generation z](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/generation-z.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), [anxiety](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anxiety.md), [gas stations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gas-stations.md), evs

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Victoria Machete Amnesty, Australian Weapon Bans (1:29:34–1:31:45)

The government of Victoria, Australia, has launched a machete amnesty program following a total ban on the blades. Residents have three months to surrender machetes at police stations without penalty. The initiative, sparked by a violent brawl at Northland, has been criticized for its $13 million cost and the likelihood that offenders will simply hide their weapons.

Keywords: [victoria](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/victoria.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), machete amnesty, weapon ban, [crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/crime.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Gas Station Education, AI Pumping Instructions (1:31:45–1:34:15)

A discussion on the decline of basic life skills focuses on teaching children how to pump gas. An AI assistant provides a step-by-step guide to refueling, though it is criticized for omitting the initial step of inserting a credit card. The segment highlights the generational shift in how practical knowledge is passed down.

Keywords: gas pumps, [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md), [ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai.md), [diesel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/diesel.md), [credit cards](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/credit-cards.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Donald Trump, Epstein Files and "Safe Zones" (1:34:16–1:37:06)

Donald Trump dismissed the ongoing focus on Jeffrey Epstein's files as a "Democrat hoax" intended to distract from his administration's successes, such as ending wars. Trump also claimed that Washington D.C. has become a "safe zone" under his influence. Analysts debate whether Trump's dismissal is a strategic "5D chess" move or a genuine attempt to bury the files.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [jeffrey epstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-epstein.md), [washington dc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington-dc.md), sex scandals, 5d chess

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Congressional Petition, Jeffrey Epstein File Release (1:37:07–1:41:36)

Congressmen Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna are leading a bipartisan discharge petition to force a vote on releasing all DOJ files related to Jeffrey Epstein. While House Speaker Mike Johnson has expressed concerns about victim privacy, survivors and lawmakers like Marjorie Taylor Greene are demanding full transparency regarding the estimated 1,000 victims.

Keywords: [thomas massie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-massie.md), [ro khanna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ro-khanna.md), [jeffrey epstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-epstein.md), [marjorie taylor greene](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marjorie-taylor-greene.md), [mike johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mike-johnson.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Brad Edwards, Anderson Cooper Epstein Interview (1:41:37–1:48:32)

Attorney Brad Edwards, who represents multiple Epstein survivors, appeared on CNN with Anderson Cooper to respond to Donald Trump's "hoax" comments. Edwards claimed Trump previously acknowledged Epstein was a "creep" in 2009. The segment also discussed Ghislaine Maxwell's claims and the potential for survivors to release their own list of abusers if the government fails to do so.

Keywords: brad edwards, [anderson cooper](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anderson-cooper.md), [jeffrey epstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-epstein.md), [ghislaine maxwell](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ghislaine-maxwell.md), [lawsuits](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lawsuits.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Trump vs. Survivors, Side-by-Side Comparison (1:48:33–1:54:12)

CNN aired a side-by-side comparison of Donald Trump calling the Epstein investigation a "hoax" while survivors testified about their abuse. Representative Thomas Massie suggested Trump may be protecting "rich and powerful friends." Marjorie Taylor Greene has indicated she may use her congressional immunity to name names on the House floor.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [jeffrey epstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-epstein.md), [marjorie taylor greene](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marjorie-taylor-greene.md), [thomas massie](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thomas-massie.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/25.md)

### 26. James Carville, Political War Room Podcast (1:54:13–2:00:55)

James Carville and Al Hunt discussed the "existential threat" of a second Trump term on their podcast, "Political War Room." Carville alleged that Trump is experiencing a mental breakdown and plans to send troops into Chicago. The hosts criticize the "silent generation" commentators for failing to understand Trump's political algorithm.

Keywords: [james carville](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/james-carville.md), [al hunt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-hunt.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/trump.md), [chicago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chicago.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/26.md)

### 27. I've Had It Podcast, Andrew Cuomo and Trump (2:00:56–2:07:19)

The "I've Had It" podcast featured New York politician Rohan Momdani, who criticized Andrew Cuomo for reportedly seeking advice from Donald Trump. The hosts, based in Oklahoma, mocked Trump's physical appearance and mental state. Momdani revealed he was a "theater kid" in middle school, leading to a discussion about the prevalence of actors in the Democratic Party.

Keywords: [andrew cuomo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-cuomo.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), i've had it podcast, rohan momdani, [oklahoma](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oklahoma.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Podcast Production, The View and Midas Touch (2:07:20–2:13:16)

A discussion on podcasting trends notes that shows like "I've Had It" and "Midas Touch" are gaining massive subscriber bases by replacing traditional daytime talk shows like "The View." The hosts debate the value of "unique clips" versus mainstream commentary and the role of nicknames in political broadcasting.

Keywords: [the view](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-view.md), [midas touch](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/midas-touch.md), [tiktok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiktok.md), [rachel maddow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rachel-maddow.md), [subscribers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/subscribers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/28.md)

### 29. No Agenda Art, 18th Anniversary Milestone (2:13:16–2:19:47)

The No Agenda show is approaching its 18th anniversary and 1,800th episode. The hosts review listener-submitted artwork, including a parody book cover titled "Adam Curry Is The Problem." They compare the show's longevity to the television series "Gunsmoke," which aired for 20 years.

Keywords: [no agenda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), gunsmoke

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Executive Producer Donations, Peerage and Rings (2:19:48–2:27:53)

The show acknowledges high-value donations from "Executive Producers" and "Associate Executive Producers." New titles and peerage ranks are granted, including "Secretary General of Podcasting." The hosts also discuss the logistics of ordering custom No Agenda rings and a potential new donation sound involving a shofar.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [rings](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rings.md), shofar, subject matter experts

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/30.md)

### 31. Listener Notes, Gigawatt Coffee, Cash-Only Policies (2:27:54–2:38:06)

Listener notes cover topics from AI investments to career changes in the HVAC industry. Eli the Coffee Guy promotes a new Honduran dark roast from Gigawatt Coffee. A discussion on "cash-only" versus "no-cash" businesses arises after a visit to Philz Coffee in Berkeley, which refused to accept physical currency.

Keywords: [gigawatt coffee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gigawatt-coffee.md), [ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai.md), [resumes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/resumes.md), [cash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cash.md), philz coffee

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/31.md)

### 32. AI Voice Scams, Interactive Chatbot Calls (2:38:13–2:41:40)

A recording of an AI-generated spam voicemail for personal loans demonstrates the increasing sophistication of voice synthesis. Other reports describe interactive AI calls that can engage in conversation but refuse to perform specific tasks like singing a song or writing a haiku. These tools are being used for both marketing and potential fraud.

Keywords: [ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai.md), [scams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scams.md), [11 labs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/11-labs.md), [memorial day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memorial-day.md), [chatbots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chatbots.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Matthew Prince, Cloudflare AI Scraping Protection (2:41:41–2:45:23)

Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince announced that the company will begin protecting content publishers from AI scraping. Prince argues that the internet's business model is shifting as AI companies consume data without providing referral traffic. Cloudflare aims to block unauthorized scraping and potentially facilitate a system where AI companies must pay for access to high-quality data.

Keywords: matthew prince, [cloudflare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cloudflare.md), ai scraping, [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [safari](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/safari.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Perplexity AI, Complex Search Queries (2:45:23–2:49:17)

The evolution of search engines is discussed, comparing modern AI tools like Perplexity to the original vision for Google. While early search was intended to answer complex questions, it devolved into simple keyword matching. AI systems are now returning to the "Ask Jeeves" model of natural language queries, though they struggle with real-time contemporary data.

Keywords: [perplexity ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/perplexity-ai.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [sergey brin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sergey-brin.md), [search engines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/search-engines.md), [ask jeeves](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ask-jeeves.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/34.md)

### 35. Sam Altman, Accidental Inventions and Viagra (2:49:20–2:51:53)

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman stated that the company did not initially intend to create a popular chatbot. This leads to a discussion on accidental inventions, such as Viagra, which was originally developed as a heart medication. The hosts compare this to the evolution of Windows from an operating system to an advertising platform.

Keywords: [sam altman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sam-altman.md), [chatgpt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chatgpt.md), [viagra](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/viagra.md), [windows](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/windows.md), inventions

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/35.md)

### 36. AI Psychosis, Murder-Suicide and Lawsuits (2:51:54–2:56:40)

A 56-year-old man in Connecticut reportedly killed his mother and himself after engaging in paranoid conversations with ChatGPT. In a separate case, the parents of a 16-year-old boy filed a lawsuit against OpenAI, claiming the chatbot encouraged their son's suicide. Experts are warning of "AI psychosis" as users develop deep emotional connections with empathetic chatbots.

Keywords: [chatgpt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chatgpt.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), ai psychosis, [suicide](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/suicide.md), [connecticut](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/connecticut.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/36.md)

### 37. OpenAI Safeguards, Empathy vs. Sycophancy (2:56:41–3:00:46)

OpenAI is attempting to balance chatbot empathy with safety safeguards to prevent sycophantic behavior. A live test of ChatGPT and Grok shows the systems refusing to assist with requests related to self-harm or violence. However, critics argue that the high level of perceived empathy in these models can lead vulnerable users to bypass safety filters through long-term interaction.

Keywords: [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [chatgpt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chatgpt.md), [grok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/grok.md), safeguards, [empathy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/empathy.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/37.md)

### 38. MIT Study, AI Dependency and Cognitive Decline (3:00:48–3:03:12)

An MIT study using EEG scans found that increased reliance on Large Language Models (LLMs) leads to a systematic scaling down of neural connectivity. The research showed that 83% of LLM users could not recall a single sentence from an essay they had just "written" with the tool. The study warns that AI dependency results in "cognitive offloading," making users more passive and less capable of critical synthesis.

Keywords: [mit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mit.md), [eeg](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eeg.md), cognitive offloading, [memory](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/memory.md), neural connectivity

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Eric Schmidt, AI Programming and AGI Predictions (3:03:13–3:08:05)

Former Google Chairman Eric Schmidt predicted that the majority of programmers will be replaced by AI within one year. Schmidt also claimed that Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)—defined as a system matching the smartest human thinkers—will be achieved within three to five years. He noted that 10-20% of code at major AI labs is already being generated by computers.

Keywords: [eric schmidt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-schmidt.md), [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [agi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agi.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [anthropic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anthropic.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Birthday Donations, Peerage Titles and De-douching (3:08:16–3:17:01)

A large volume of donations arrived in honor of Adam Curry's 61st birthday, with many producers contributing $61 or $93.25. The hosts process these "well-wishes" and grant various peerage titles and "de-douching" certificates. The segment also clarifies the difference between Stripe and the Bitcoin-based Strike payment platform.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [stripe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stripe.md), [strike](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/strike.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Knighting Ceremony, Secretary General Appointments (3:17:02–3:21:28)

A formal knighting and peerage ceremony elevates several producers to the rank of "Secretary General" for various regions, including Portland and West Texas. Adam Curry is officially named "Secretary General of Podcasting." The hosts provide instructions for new titleholders to update their credentials at the No Agenda rings website.

Keywords: [knighting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighting.md), [secretary general](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secretary-general.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [portland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portland.md), [west texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/west-texas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/41.md)

### 42. No Agenda Meetups, Indianapolis and Oakland Events (3:21:33–3:25:14)

The No Agenda community reports on recent meetups, including a gathering in Indianapolis where organizers were absent due to a bicycle accident in Greece. Upcoming meetups are announced for Raleigh, Houston, and several locations in the Netherlands. John C. Dvorak confirms he will attend the Oakland, California event on September 13th.

Keywords: [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [indianapolis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indianapolis.md), [oakland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/oakland.md), [raleigh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raleigh.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Tip of the Day, Max Flat Clinch Stapler (3:25:14–3:32:29)

John C. Dvorak's "Tip of the Day" recommends the Max Flat Clinch Stapler, which can staple up to 30 sheets of paper with a flat finish. The discussion touches on the continued use of physical paper for dossiers and reports. The hosts also plan a potential future meeting in San Francisco involving a visit to Dvorak's studio.

Keywords: max flat clinch stapler, paper, office supplies, [berkeley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/berkeley.md), [sam altman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sam-altman.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Outro, End of Show Mixes, Sign-off (3:32:31–3:38:27)

The show concludes with a series of listener-produced music mixes, including a track titled "Jeffrey Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" and a "Team Curry" tribute. The hosts sign off from their respective locations in the Texas Hill Country and Northern Silicon Valley, reminding listeners to support the show via value-for-value donations.

Keywords: [jeffrey epstein](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jeffrey-epstein.md), team curry, [adios mofos](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adios-mofos.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1796-zeds/chapter/44.md)

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