# Boomer Mode

> A post-Christmas deep dive into Trumpian geopolitics, the sudden collapse of the Italian leather industry, and the rise of AI grandmothers designed to trap international phone scammers.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1724
- **Published:** 2024-12-26
- **Length:** 3h 15m
- **People:** [Adam Curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/adam-curry.md) (host), [John C Dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/john-c-dvorak.md) (host)
- **Topics:** [Panama Canal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/panama-canal.md), Greenland purchase, Air fryer spying, [Bird flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-flu.md), [Zepbound](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zepbound.md), [PolitiFact](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/politifact.md), [Starliner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/starliner.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode

## About this episode

Donald Trump addressed a conservative youth conference in Phoenix this week, threatening to seize control of the Panama Canal from the Panamanian government. Trump alleged that Chinese influence and excessive tolls have compromised the strategic waterway, a claim Panamanian President José Raúl Mulino immediately rejected. The former president also reaffirmed his interest in purchasing Greenland from Denmark to secure Thule Space Force Base and Arctic mineral wealth.

European leaders including Giorgia Meloni and the Prime Minister of Sweden are signaling a hard shift toward stricter border enforcement as illegal immigration concerns mount across Germany and Italy. In the tech sector, consumer watchdogs warned that Xiaomi air fryers are harvesting user data and requesting microphone access, while UK carrier O2 introduced an AI grandmother named Daisy to bait phone scammers into circular conversations. Meanwhile, the FDA finalized new healthy food labeling standards that will strip the label from white bread and sugary cereals for the first time in three decades.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the cultural divide over Boxing Day traditions and the Netflix Christmas football streaming numbers. Adam recounts his experience sourcing Ivermectin in Florence to combat a flu-like bug while observing the decline of the Italian leather industry. The show concludes with a look at the 50,000-year-old woolly mammoth discovery in Siberia and the ongoing saga of the Starliner astronauts stuck on the ISS.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/transcript.md.

### 1. Boxing Day, Netflix Christmas Football, and Beyonce Halftime Show (0:00–2:26)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the show on Boxing Day from Amsterdam and Silicon Valley. They discuss the recent Netflix Christmas Day football streaming event featuring a halftime performance by Beyonce. The hosts compare the streaming audience numbers to those drawn by Jake Paul.

Keywords: [boxing day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boxing-day.md), [netflix](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netflix.md), [beyonce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beyonce.md), [jake paul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jake-paul.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays and the War on Christmas (2:26–5:38)

A discussion ensues regarding the cultural tension between saying "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Holidays." The hosts argue that the push for "Happy Holidays" is a result of DEI initiatives and a perceived hatred of Christianity. They reflect on their own aging as "boomers" complaining about modern holiday traditions.

Keywords: [merry christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merry-christmas.md), [happy holidays](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/happy-holidays.md), [kwanzaa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kwanzaa.md), [hanukkah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hanukkah.md), [dei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dei.md), [boomers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boomers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Generation X Identity and Joe Rogan Italian Dubs (5:39–7:09)

The hosts debate whether they belong to the Baby Boomer generation or Generation X. Adam Curry mentions his popularity in Italy, noting that clips of his appearances on the Joe Rogan Experience are being dubbed into Italian.

Keywords: [generation x](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/generation-x.md), [boomers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boomers.md), [joe rogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-rogan.md), [italy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/italy.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/3.md)

### 4. Bird Flu Symptoms and Ivermectin Treatment in Italy (7:11–9:11)

Adam Curry describes falling ill with a flu-like bug while traveling in Florence, Italy. He claims to have successfully purchased and used Ivermectin from a local pharmacy to treat a sore throat and sinus issues. He jokes about infecting the planet with "bird flu" upon his return to the United States.

Keywords: [bird flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-flu.md), [ivermectin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ivermectin.md), [florence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florence.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [pharmacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmacy.md), [influenza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/influenza.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/4.md)

### 5. European Immigration Policy and Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni (9:11–11:31)

The discussion shifts to European politics and the growing consensus among EU leaders regarding uncontrolled illegal immigration. A clip features the Prime Minister of Sweden and Italy's Giorgia Meloni discussing the need for controlled external borders. The hosts note a shift in sentiment across Germany and Italy toward stricter border enforcement.

Keywords: [giorgia meloni](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/giorgia-meloni.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [european union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/european-union.md), [sweden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sweden.md), [brussels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brussels.md), [ursula von der leyen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ursula-von-der-leyen.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Donald Trump Phoenix Rally and Panama Canal Threats (11:33–14:04)

Donald Trump addressed a conservative youth conference in Phoenix, Arizona, outlining plans for his second term. Trump threatened to take control of the Panama Canal due to high tolls and alleged Chinese influence. He also pledged to sign executive orders regarding immigration and banning transgender-related medical procedures for minors.

Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [panama canal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/panama-canal.md), [phoenix](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phoenix.md), [transgender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transgender.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [executive orders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/executive-orders.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Greenland Purchase Proposal and Arctic Mineral Wealth (14:05–17:18)

The hosts analyze Donald Trump's recurring interest in purchasing Greenland from Denmark. They discuss the strategic value of the Thule Space Force Base and potential mineral wealth. A brief tangent clarifies the geographical differences between Greenland and Iceland based on Viking folklore.

Keywords: [greenland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/greenland.md), [iceland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iceland.md), [louisiana purchase](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/louisiana-purchase.md), [alaska](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alaska.md), [minerals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minerals.md), [space force](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/space-force.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Panama Canal Tolls and Chinese Influence Allegations (17:18–20:24)

Panamanian President José Raúl Mulino rejected Donald Trump's claims that China controls the Panama Canal. Trump argued that the U.S. is being overcharged for tolls while China receives favorable treatment. Local producers in Panama report that the country is seeking investment from the World Economic Forum following the diplomatic friction.

Keywords: [panama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/panama.md), jose raul mulino, [jimmy carter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jimmy-carter.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [maritime trade](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/maritime-trade.md), [tolls](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tolls.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/8.md)

### 9. China Fiscal Stimulus and Deflationary Economic Forces (20:27–22:22)

Beijing is preparing to issue 3 trillion yuan in special treasury bonds to revive its economy ahead of expected U.S. tariffs. The hosts discuss whether these tariffs will cause deflation in China or price hikes for American consumers. They debate the impact of the "world's second largest economy" going deeper into debt.

Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [beijing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beijing.md), [tariffs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tariffs.md), [deflation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deflation.md), [treasury bonds](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treasury-bonds.md), [fiscal stimulus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fiscal-stimulus.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Italian Leather Industry and Chinese Manufacturing Dominance (22:22–25:58)

A personal anecdote from Florence describes how the traditional Italian leather industry has been disrupted by Chinese-run sweatshops using laser cutting. The hosts discuss the historical precedent of China flooding markets, dating back to the silk trade with Japan. They argue that modern consumerism is overly dependent on "cheap crap" from China.

Keywords: [florence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/florence.md), dolce & gabbana, [leather](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leather.md), silk trade, [manufacturing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manufacturing.md), [covid-19](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/covid-19.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Smart Appliance Privacy Risks and Air Fryer Spying (25:59–30:09)

Consumer watchdog groups have raised concerns that app-connected air fryers from companies like Xiaomi are harvesting user data and requesting microphone access. The hosts criticize the "smart home" trend, arguing that internet-connected locks and appliances are unnecessary security risks. They advise listeners to use devices that do not connect to the internet.

Keywords: air fryers, [xiaomi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/xiaomi.md), [data harvesting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/data-harvesting.md), [privacy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/privacy.md), [smart home](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/smart-home.md), [surveillance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/surveillance.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Drone Bikes and Electric Air Taxi Failures (30:10–32:21)

The hosts express skepticism regarding the viability of drone bikes and electric air taxis. They argue that current battery technology and power-to-weight ratios make these vehicles impractical for long-distance travel. Adam Curry, a pilot, notes the safety risks of aircraft that cannot perform auto-rotation during a power failure.

Keywords: [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), air taxis, [battery technology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/battery-technology.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [aviation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aviation.md), [physics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/physics.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/12.md)

### 13. Orlando Drone Show Accident and FAA Investigation (32:21–34:52)

A holiday drone show at Lake Eola Park in Orlando, Florida, resulted in an accident where several drones fell into a crowd. A seven-year-old boy required emergency heart surgery after being struck. The FAA is investigating the vendor, Sky Elements, to determine the cause of the mid-air collision.

Keywords: [orlando](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/orlando.md), lake eola park, [drones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drones.md), [faa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/faa.md), sky elements, [fireworks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fireworks.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Perplexity AI and Chatbot Anthropomorphism (34:53–37:48)

The hosts discuss the limitations of generative AI, specifically regarding a Perplexity AI report on Hanukkah dates. They critique the "wordy" and "problematic" nature of AI-generated text. A clip features Stanford professor Jerry Kaplan discussing the "shameful history" of dressing up technology with human-like flourishes.

Keywords: [perplexity ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/perplexity-ai.md), [chatbots](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chatbots.md), [replica](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/replica.md), [stanford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/stanford.md), jerry kaplan, [hanukkah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hanukkah.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/14.md)

### 15. AI Theater and Reid Hoffman Avatars (37:49–43:25)

Jerry Kaplan describes the current state of AI as "AI theater," a term the hosts compare to a "parlor trick." They critique LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman for using an AI avatar to deliver speeches. The segment also touches on the emotional use of chatbots for grief counseling, as promoted by the founder of Replica.

Keywords: [reid hoffman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/reid-hoffman.md), jerry kaplan, [generative ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/generative-ai.md), [hamilton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamilton.md), [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md), [replica](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/replica.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/15.md)

### 16. Agentic AI Hype and Battery Technology Limits (43:25–46:57)

A producer's note clarifies the term "Agentic AI," explaining that it refers to services with autonomous agendas rather than simple user prompts. The hosts argue that tech executives are misusing the term for marketing. They also claim that battery technology has only seen minor "tweaks" since the late 1800s and has largely peaked.

Keywords: [agentic ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/agentic-ai.md), [salesforce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/salesforce.md), [llm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/llm.md), [battery technology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/battery-technology.md), [lithium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium.md), [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/16.md)

### 17. O2 AI Granny Daisy and Phone Scammer Baiting (46:57–51:31)

UK-based phone company O2 has introduced "Daisy," an AI-generated grandmother designed to waste the time of phone scammers. By using "number seeding," the AI baits scammers into 40-minute conversations about cats and grandchildren. The hosts question the practical effectiveness of the tool beyond being a marketing gimmick for the carrier.

Keywords: o2, ai granny, daisy, [scams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scams.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), [telemarketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telemarketing.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/17.md)

### 18. International Phone Spoofing and Cybercrime Treaties (51:31–53:41)

The hosts discuss the technical and diplomatic difficulties in stopping international phone scams. They explain how treaties between countries and complex switching systems allow scammers in places like the Philippines or India to spoof local numbers with impunity.

Keywords: [spoofing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spoofing.md), [telecommunications](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/telecommunications.md), treaties, [cybercrime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybercrime.md), [philippines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/philippines.md), [india](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/india.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Influencer Vibe Lawsuit and Aesthetic Copyright (53:42–56:04)

Influencer Sydney Gifford is suing fellow influencer Alyssa Scheele in federal court for allegedly stealing her "vibe" and aesthetic. The lawsuit claims Scheele replicated Gifford's minimalistic style and poses to profit from Amazon commissions. The hosts debate whether an intangible "vibe" can be legally protected under copyright law.

Keywords: sydney gifford, alyssa scheele, [copyright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright.md), amazon marketplace, [influencers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/influencers.md), [social media](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/social-media.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Bing Crosby Voice Lawsuits and Rogan Copycats (56:05–58:18)

The hosts recall historical legal cases where Bing Crosby successfully sued copycats for imitating his distinctive crooning voice. They joke about whether Joe Rogan could sue other podcasters like Lex Fridman or Theo Von for mimicking his interview style and guest selection.

Keywords: [bing crosby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bing-crosby.md), [joe rogan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-rogan.md), [intellectual property](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intellectual-property.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md), style

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Social Media Algorithms and Content Creator Stifling (58:18–1:02:57)

A New York Times journalist explains how social media algorithms feed similar aesthetics to different creators, making it difficult to prove intentional copying. The hosts argue that if "vibes" become copyrightable, it will stifle the content creator economy. They briefly reminisce about past podcast competitors like "The Morning Stream" and "Unfiltered."

Keywords: [algorithms](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/algorithms.md), [instagram](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/instagram.md), [intellectual property](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intellectual-property.md), [content creators](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/content-creators.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), the morning stream

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/21.md)

### 22. Mark Steyn Libel Case and Michael Mann Hockey Stick (1:02:58–1:06:30)

The hosts discuss the long-running legal battle between author Mark Steyn and climate scientist Michael Mann. Steyn has spent over a decade in DC courts after calling Mann's "hockey stick" climate graph a fraud. They also joke about suing other podcasters for using the "Value for Value" model.

Keywords: [mark steyn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mark-steyn.md), [michael mann](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michael-mann.md), [hockey stick graph](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hockey-stick-graph.md), [libel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libel.md), dc courts, [hillsdale college](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hillsdale-college.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/22.md)

### 23. Scott Gottlieb and Pharmaceutical Advertising Defense (1:06:31–1:10:54)

Former FDA Commissioner and current Pfizer board member Scott Gottlieb defended direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical advertising on CNBC. Gottlieb argued that TV ads drive "help-seeking behavior" and lead to more diagnoses. The hosts criticize the "wishy-washy" questioning by Andrew Ross Sorkin regarding the ethics of drug commercials.

Keywords: [scott gottlieb](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scott-gottlieb.md), [pfizer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pfizer.md), [cnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnbc.md), [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [pharmaceutical ads](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pharmaceutical-ads.md), [public health](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/public-health.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Zepbound FDA Approval for Sleep Apnea (1:10:56–1:14:30)

The FDA has approved the weight-loss drug Zepbound to treat obstructive sleep apnea. Medical correspondents report that the drug could effectively cure symptoms in 40% of patients. The hosts discuss the potential for Medicare and Medicaid to cover the high cost of these injectable medications, estimated at $30 billion over ten years.

Keywords: [zepbound](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zepbound.md), [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), [sleep apnea](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sleep-apnea.md), [obesity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obesity.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [eli lilly](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eli-lilly.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/24.md)

### 25. FDA Healthy Food Labeling Standards Update (1:14:30–1:15:59)

The FDA has finalized new standards for "healthy" food labels, the first major change in 30 years. Under the new rules, products like white bread and sugary cereals will no longer qualify for the label. The hosts speculate on how Robert F. Kennedy Jr. might influence these standards if confirmed to a government post.

Keywords: [fda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fda.md), healthy label, [robert f. kennedy jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-f-kennedy-jr.md), [nutrition](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nutrition.md), [sugar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sugar.md), [sodium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sodium.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Homemade Dog Food and Pet Health (1:15:59–1:18:14)

Adam Curry discusses his wife Mimi's project on making homemade dog food using table scraps. He argues that dogs were historically bred to eat human leftovers and that modern kibble may be less healthy. The conversation is interrupted by a news report warning against feeding pets raw milk due to bird flu risks.

Keywords: [dog food](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dog-food.md), pet nutrition, [raw milk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raw-milk.md), [bird flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-flu.md), kibble

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/26.md)

### 27. Bird Flu Transmission in Cats and Zoo Animals (1:18:16–1:22:03)

A CBS News report warns that indoor cats are contracting bird flu, potentially through infected birds in cat food or "fomite transfer" from owners' shoes. The report highlights the risk of the virus becoming zoonotic through a single mutation. The hosts mock the "insane" level of fear-mongering regarding raw milk and machinery.

Keywords: [bird flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-flu.md), [h5n1](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/h5n1.md), [cats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cats.md), [raw milk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raw-milk.md), [zoonotic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/zoonotic.md), [cbs news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cbs-news.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/27.md)

### 28. Big Cat Deaths at Wildlife Sanctuaries and Zoos (1:22:06–1:25:50)

Wildlife sanctuaries in Washington and zoos in Phoenix and Seattle have reported deaths of big cats, including tigers and mountain lions, due to avian influenza. Veterinarians are implementing foot baths and stricter food protocols to protect endangered species. The virus is described as unusually deadly to mammals in this current strain.

Keywords: tigers, cheetahs, [bird flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-flu.md), [seattle](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/seattle.md), phoenix zoo, [pneumonia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pneumonia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/28.md)

### 29. Raw Pet Food Recalls and Industry Plots (1:25:50–1:28:59)

A cat in Portland, Oregon, died after consuming Northwest Naturals raw pet food, which tested positive for bird flu. The hosts speculate that the sudden focus on the dangers of raw pet food might be a plot by the traditional kibble industry. They also reference a viral meme regarding immigrants and pets.

Keywords: northwest naturals, pet food recall, [raw food](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/raw-food.md), [portland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/portland.md), [haitians](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/haitians.md), [bird flu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bird-flu.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/29.md)

### 30. Bald Eagle National Bird Legislation and Ben Franklin (1:29:00–1:31:17)

President Biden signed legislation officially designating the bald eagle as the national bird of the United States. While the eagle has been on the Great Seal since 1782, it was never legislatively designated until now. The hosts recall the historical anecdote that Benjamin Franklin preferred the turkey for the role.

Keywords: bald eagle, national bird, [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [benjamin franklin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-franklin.md), [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), [minnesota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/minnesota.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/30.md)

### 31. PolitiFact Lie of the Year 2024 (1:31:18–1:34:50)

PolitiFact named Donald Trump and JD Vance's claims about immigrants eating pets in Springfield, Ohio, as the 2024 "Lie of the Year." The organization stated there was no evidence to support the claims. The hosts argue that other statements, such as Joe Biden's mental acuity, were more deserving of the title.

Keywords: [politifact](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/politifact.md), lie of the year, [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [jd vance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jd-vance.md), [springfield](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/springfield.md), [ohio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ohio.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/31.md)

### 32. PolitiFact Partisanship and Historical Lie Selections (1:34:51–1:38:00)

The hosts review the history of PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year" awards, noting a consistent focus on Republican figures like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump. They criticize the organization as a propaganda tool. They highlight that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was selected in 2023 only after aligning with the Republican party.

Keywords: [politifact](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/politifact.md), [sarah palin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sarah-palin.md), [fake news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fake-news.md), [robert f. kennedy jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/robert-f-kennedy-jr.md), [propaganda](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/propaganda.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/32.md)

### 33. Podcast Hall of Fame and True Crime Popularity (1:38:00–1:41:17)

Adam Curry explains why he declined an invitation to host the Podcast Hall of Fame, criticizing the lack of international representation. The hosts discuss the "Serial" podcast's impact on the industry and argue that the success of true crime proves that high-quality audio does not require video.

Keywords: podcast hall of fame, podfest, [serial](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/serial.md), [true crime](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/true-crime.md), audio vs video, [binge-watching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/binge-watching.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/33.md)

### 34. Wikipedia Funding and Intelligence Operation Allegations (1:41:18–1:44:31)

The hosts discuss the Wikimedia Foundation's 2023 revenue of $245 million, claiming it acts as a "slush fund" for DEI initiatives and intelligence operations. They contrast Wikipedia's funding model with their own "Value for Value" system. A brief clip also mocks the term "Chrismukkah" used in a PBS report.

Keywords: [wikipedia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikipedia.md), [wikimedia foundation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wikimedia-foundation.md), [dei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dei.md), [slush fund](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slush-fund.md), [intelligence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intelligence.md), chrismukkah

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/34.md)

### 35. No Agenda Troll Room and Modern Podcast Apps (1:44:33–1:46:47)

The hosts acknowledge the "trolls" listening via the live stream and promote modern podcasting apps like Fountain and Podverse. They discuss the "Value for Value" model and the importance of listener-contributed time, talent, and treasure.

Keywords: [troll room](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/troll-room.md), [podcast apps](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcast-apps.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [dreb scott](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dreb-scott.md), [fountain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fountain.md), [podverse](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podverse.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/35.md)

### 36. No Agenda Art Generator and AI Slop (1:46:48–1:51:35)

The hosts review recent submissions to the No Agenda Art Generator, noting a shift from traditional art to AI-generated "prompt jockey" work. They critique the prevalence of AI "slop" on platforms like YouTube, specifically regarding holiday-themed videos.

Keywords: [no agenda art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-art.md), [ai art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai-art.md), susanna lea, [scaramanga](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/scaramanga.md), [darren o'neill](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darren-o-neill.md), yule log

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/36.md)

### 37. Executive Producer Donations and De-douching (1:51:35–1:56:31)

The hosts read notes from high-tier donors, including "Bad Brad Bruce" and "Charles Mayfield" of Pharaoh Life. A donation from Dalton S. Fisher is used to "de-douche" his father, Scott the Boomer. The segment highlights the financial support that keeps the show running without traditional advertising.

Keywords: bad brad bruce, pharaoh life, fisher multimedia, [horowitz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/horowitz.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [de-douching](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/de-douching.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/37.md)

### 38. Associate Executive Producer Credits and Birthday Wishes (1:56:32–2:02:55)

The hosts continue reading donor notes from Associate Executive Producers, including Eli the Coffee Guy. They offer birthday wishes to listeners and acknowledge the "Clip Custodian" and "Clip Collector" for their help during Adam's European trip.

Keywords: [eli the coffee guy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eli-the-coffee-guy.md), [gigawatt coffee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gigawatt-coffee.md), [boxing day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boxing-day.md), [tucson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tucson.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/38.md)

### 39. Critical Minerals and Congo Slave Labor (2:02:55–2:05:59)

A congressional committee report highlights U.S. dependence on China for critical minerals like cobalt and manganese. The hosts discuss allegations of slave labor in the Democratic Republic of Congo and how these minerals end up in Apple products. They suggest the focus on Congo may be a way to target Apple.

Keywords: [critical minerals](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/critical-minerals.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [congo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congo.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), [semiconductors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/semiconductors.md), [cobalt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cobalt.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/39.md)

### 40. Apple Vision Pro and Lithium Battery Obsolescence (2:06:00–2:10:04)

Adam Curry notes that younger generations are increasingly interested in flip phones to combat TikTok addiction. The hosts discuss a congressman's idea that new materials could make lithium obsolete. They also mention New York's efforts to ban non-certified lithium-ion batteries due to fire risks.

Keywords: [apple vision pro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple-vision-pro.md), [flip phones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flip-phones.md), tiktok addiction, [lithium](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lithium.md), e-bikes, [pollution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pollution.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/40.md)

### 41. Coffee Badging and Return-to-Office Revolts (2:10:05–2:13:22)

"Coffee badging" is a new workplace trend where employees swipe their badges at the office, socialize by the coffee machine, and then leave early to work from home. The hosts argue this is a "soft revolt" against return-to-office mandates and highlights the excess of middle management.

Keywords: coffee badging, return to office, [middle management](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/middle-management.md), [productivity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/productivity.md), workplace trends

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/41.md)

### 42. Slang Terms and "Dipping" at the Dinner Table (2:13:24–2:15:00)

Adam Curry recounts a dinner conversation where he learned the slang term "dipping," meaning to leave. He expresses his disdain for modern "street" terminology being used at his table.

Keywords: [slang](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slang.md), dipping, [street art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/street-art.md), [family](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/family.md), dinner conversation

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/42.md)

### 43. Starliner Astronauts Stuck on ISS Through Holidays (2:15:01–2:16:31)

Astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore remain on the International Space Station months after their planned eight-day mission. A leak in their Boeing spacecraft made a return trip impossible. They are now expected to stay until March or April, receiving holiday supplies via a SpaceX resupply mission.

Keywords: [iss](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iss.md), [sunita williams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sunita-williams.md), [butch wilmore](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/butch-wilmore.md), [boeing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boeing.md), [spacex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spacex.md), [starliner](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/starliner.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/43.md)

### 44. Elon Musk and Donald Trump "Bromance" Speculation (2:16:32–2:20:09)

Media outlets and figures like Jen Psaki are speculating on when the relationship between Elon Musk and Donald Trump will "implode." Trump dismissed claims that he has ceded the presidency to Musk. The hosts argue that Musk serves as a "perfect foil" for Trump by taking media arrows.

Keywords: [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [jen psaki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jen-psaki.md), [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md), [mar-a-lago](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mar-a-lago.md), [spacex](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spacex.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/44.md)

### 45. John Fetterman on Trump and Fascism Rhetoric (2:20:09–2:24:37)

Senator John Fetterman stated in an interview that he is not rooting against Donald Trump and criticized the use of the word "fascist" to describe Trump voters. Fetterman argued that "regular people" do not use that word. The hosts agree, noting that the term is more applicable to the European Union's bureaucracy.

Keywords: [john fetterman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-fetterman.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [fascism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fascism.md), [democrats](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/democrats.md), [pennsylvania](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pennsylvania.md), [brussels](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brussels.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/45.md)

### 46. Matt Gaetz Ethics Report and Marjorie Taylor Greene (2:25:37–2:28:43)

A House Ethics Committee report accused former Congressman Matt Gaetz of violating laws regarding prostitution and drug use. Gaetz and Donald Trump have dismissed the report as unfair. Marjorie Taylor Greene suggested that if this report is released, all congressional ethics reports involving bribes and "hookers" should be made public.

Keywords: [matt gaetz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/matt-gaetz.md), [house ethics committee](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/house-ethics-committee.md), [marjorie taylor greene](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marjorie-taylor-greene.md), [nancy pelosi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nancy-pelosi.md), [prostitution](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/prostitution.md), [drugs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/drugs.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/46.md)

### 47. Joe Biden Death Row Commutations (2:28:44–2:31:28)

President Biden commuted the sentences of most federal death row inmates to life in prison, excluding three high-profile killers. The hosts criticize the inconsistency of the decision and the irony of political stances on the death penalty versus abortion. John Dvorak reiterates his desire for televised executions to end the public's "thirst for death."

Keywords: [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [death penalty](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/death-penalty.md), [death row](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/death-row.md), [dylann roof](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dylann-roof.md), [boston marathon bombing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boston-marathon-bombing.md), pittsburgh synagogue shooting

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/47.md)

### 48. 23andMe Lizard DNA Test Claims (2:31:29–2:33:01)

A viral video claims that a pet lizard's saliva sent to 23andMe returned results indicating the lizard was 51% Ashkenazi Jewish. The hosts express deep skepticism toward commercial DNA tests, citing personal experiences with inconsistent results for pets.

Keywords: [23andme](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/23andme.md), [dna testing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dna-testing.md), [lizard](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lizard.md), ashkenazi jewish, saliva, [fraud](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fraud.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/48.md)

### 49. White Christmas Records and Climate Change Narrative (2:33:02–2:36:30)

The media reported that 2024 was the hottest year on record, yet New York City experienced its first "White Christmas" since 2009. The hosts mock the climate change narrative, noting that the National Weather Service's technical definition of a White Christmas (one inch of snow) was met despite "warmer than average" warnings.

Keywords: [white christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-christmas.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [central park](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/central-park.md), [national weather service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/national-weather-service.md), [snow](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/snow.md), [rain](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rain.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/49.md)

### 50. Woolly Mammoth Discovery in Siberian Permafrost (2:36:36–2:38:05)

Scientists in Siberia discovered a 50,000-year-old baby woolly mammoth with preserved flesh and skin. The discovery, along with a mummified saber-toothed kitten, was attributed to melting permafrost caused by climate change. The hosts joke about the risks of "bird flu" from petting prehistoric remains.

Keywords: woolly mammoth, [siberia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/siberia.md), [permafrost](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/permafrost.md), [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), saber-toothed kitten, [paleontology](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paleontology.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/50.md)

### 51. Ukraine G7 Loans and Frozen Russian Assets (2:38:06–2:40:16)

Ukraine received the first $1 billion of a $50 billion loan package backed by frozen Russian assets. Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal thanked the U.S. and the World Bank for the funding. Russia has condemned the arrangement as fraudulent, claiming it will only prolong the conflict.

Keywords: [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [g7](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/g7.md), [denys shmyhal](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denys-shmyhal.md), [russian assets](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-assets.md), [world bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-bank.md), [loans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/loans.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/51.md)

### 52. Post-Election Family Estrangement and TikTok Narcissism (2:40:16–2:46:41)

The hosts review TikTok clips of individuals disowning their parents or neighbors over their votes for Donald Trump. They argue that these public displays of anger and victimhood are rooted in deep narcissism. They observe that the trend of sharing "difficult" personal stories for attention is particularly prevalent among white women on social media.

Keywords: [tiktok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiktok.md), [narcissism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/narcissism.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [project 2025](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/project-2025.md), [transgender](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/transgender.md), [white women](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/white-women.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/52.md)

### 53. Website Login Hoaxes and Password Fatigue (2:46:42–2:49:04)

A viral clip features a woman complaining about the "keep me logged in" checkbox on websites, comparing it to a non-functional elevator door button. The hosts agree that constant password changes and login requirements are a modern nuisance that rarely works as intended.

Keywords: login, [passwords](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/passwords.md), [cybersecurity](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cybersecurity.md), keychain, elevator button, [user experience](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/user-experience.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/53.md)

### 54. Final Donor Thank Yous and Boxing Day Sign-off (2:49:06–2:55:00)

The hosts conclude the show by thanking a final list of donors and well-wishers. Adam Curry prepares to return to the Texas Hill Country from Amsterdam. They reiterate the "Value for Value" model and thank the producers for keeping the show independent.

Keywords: brian shopp, [boxing day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/boxing-day.md), [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [amsterdam](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amsterdam.md), [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/54.md)

### 55. No Agenda Meetups and Global Community Reports (2:55:01–3:00:11)

A series of reports from No Agenda meetups in Virginia and California highlight the community's "human-to-human" connection. The hosts list upcoming meetups in Dallas, Fort Wayne, and various international locations, encouraging listeners to organize their own local gatherings.

Keywords: [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [virginia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/virginia.md), [california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/california.md), [dallas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dallas.md), [fort wayne](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fort-wayne.md), [noagendameetups.com](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/noagendameetups-com.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/55.md)

### 56. Outro ISO Selection and Show Wrap (3:00:13–3:01:43)

Adam and John select a short audio clip (ISO) to close the show. They settle on a four-second greeting wishing listeners a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy New Year, officially ending the broadcast.

Keywords: [iso](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iso.md), [outro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/outro.md), [merry christmas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merry-christmas.md), [hanukkah](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hanukkah.md), [new year](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-year.md), [sign-off](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sign-off.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/56.md)

### 57. Puerto Rico Statehood and Goya Adobo Debate (3:01:44–3:05:42)

John Dvorak shares a "tip of the day" follow-up regarding Puerto Rican listeners complaining about his previous comments on Goya Adobo seasoning. The discussion touches on the benefits of Puerto Rico's current status, including the lack of federal income tax, and the ongoing debate over U.S. statehood.

Keywords: [puerto rico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/puerto-rico.md), [statehood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/statehood.md), [goya](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/goya.md), [adobo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adobo.md), [taxes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taxes.md), carlos the complainer

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/57.md)

### 58. Instant Nail Bandages and Luggage Scale Tips (3:05:44–3:09:50)

John Dvorak recommends "Nail Tech" instant nail bandages for cracked nails, while Adam Curry asks for recommendations for a reliable digital luggage scale. They discuss airline weight limits and the "workarounds" travelers use to avoid overweight baggage fees.

Keywords: nail tech, super glue, luggage scale, [travel tips](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel-tips.md), workman's comp, [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/58.md)

### 59. End of Show Mixes and "Hot Luigi" Vigilante Song (3:09:50–3:15:17)

The show ends with a musical mix by Deez Laffs and Joseph Grillo featuring "Hot Luigi," a song about the vigilante who targeted a healthcare CEO. The hosts sign off with their traditional "Adios Mofos" as the music plays out the final segments.

Keywords: hot luigi, [vigilante](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vigilante.md), deez laffs, joseph grillo, [unitedhealthcare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unitedhealthcare.md), [ceo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceo.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1724-boomer-mode/chapter/59.md)

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