# Gold Toe Socks > A breakdown of global communication records and manufacturing secrets reveals why modern products fail while vintage wool and trademark law endure. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 17 - **Published:** 2008-02-15 - **Length:** 1h 10m - **Topics:** Gold Toe, [Motorola](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/motorola.md), [Slovenia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slovenia.md), [Pirate Bay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pirate-bay.md), [Gillette](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gillette.md), Firefox bugs - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks ## About this episode Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak confront a cascade of technical failures as Firefox 3 Beta bugs and Macintosh audio latency disrupt the broadcast from the United Kingdom. The hosts analyze the decline of Motorola following the Barcelona mobile conference, contrasting the company's historic StarTAC success with current innovation struggles. A world record 2.5 billion SMS messages sent on Valentine's Day serves as a backdrop for a critique of modern connectivity and the fragility of digital infrastructure. John C. Dvorak details the manufacturing history of Gold Toe socks at the Great American Knitting Mills in North Carolina, highlighting a landmark 2000 ICANN domain squatter lawsuit. The report shifts to Slovenia, where listener Matej Golub confirms the popularity of the Hot Horse fast-food chain in Ljubljana. Additional coverage includes Gillette's refusal to disclose Mach3 blade longevity, the Danish ISP defiance of Pirate Bay blocking orders, and the proposed three-strikes rule for internet users in the United Kingdom. John C. Dvorak demonstrates his range of radio accents, from the Texas executive mumble of former Radio Shack CEO John Roach to a controversial global English dialect. Adam Curry recounts the spectacle of the Dancing with the Stars arena tour while battling a persistent PubSubAgent application error. The duo concludes with a proposal for a search-engine game show to combat the geographic ignorance displayed in Jay Leno's Jaywalking segments. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/transcript.md. ### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Technical Difficulties and Firefox Issues (0:01–3:07) Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the program from the United Kingdom and Northern California, respectively. Curry describes significant technical difficulties with a new recording rig that is causing audio breakup and high CPU load. The hosts discuss system resource issues caused by Firefox, specifically mentioning a bug in Firefox 3 Beta regarding security warnings when transitioning between encrypted and unencrypted pages. Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [curry manor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/curry-manor.md), [northern california](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/northern-california.md), firefox 3, [technical issues](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/technical-issues.md), system resources [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Valentine's Day SMS Records, Dancing with the Stars Arena Tour (3:10–6:32) The discussion shifts to Valentine's Day, noting a world record of 2.5 billion SMS messages sent globally. Curry describes attending the Dancing with the Stars arena tour in the UK, based on the Strictly Come Dancing format. This leads to a nostalgic comparison of modern schooling versus their childhood education, which included mandatory dance lessons, penmanship, civics, and daily physical education. Keywords: [valentine's day](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/valentine-s-day.md), sms messages, [dancing with the stars](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dancing-with-the-stars.md), strictly come dancing, [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md), physical education [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Dennis Miller, Air America Radio Failure (6:34–7:59) The hosts discuss the career shift of Dennis Miller into right-wing talk radio. They critique the defunct Air America network, describing it as dreadful and overly politically correct. Dvorak notes that despite his interest in various radio formats, the fawning nature of the Air America hosts made the programming unwatchable for him. Keywords: [dennis miller](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dennis-miller.md), [air america](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/air-america.md), [talk radio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/talk-radio.md), [political correctness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-correctness.md), morning radio [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Century 21 Department Store, Gold Toe Socks History (7:59–11:03) Dvorak recounts a recent shopping trip to the Century 21 department store in Manhattan, where he purchased a three-pack of cashmere Gold Toe socks for four dollars. He details the history of the Great American Knitting Mills, noting that Gold Toe socks are still manufactured in North Carolina rather than being outsourced to China. The segment highlights the difficulty of wearing cashmere socks, which lack structure and slide off the foot. Keywords: century 21, [manhattan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manhattan.md), gold toe socks, cashmere, great american knitting mills, [north carolina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/north-carolina.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Laundry Dilemmas, Gold Toe Trademark Squatting Case (11:04–13:53) A discussion on the universal problem of losing single socks during laundry leads to a mention of Gold Toe's legal history. Dvorak notes that in 2000, the company was among the first to successfully sue a domain squatter for the goldtoe.com URL through ICANN. The hosts lament the difficulty of matching black socks when different fabric blends are mixed in the wash. Keywords: [laundry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/laundry.md), [socks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/socks.md), gold toe, [icann](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/icann.md), cybersquatting, trademark law [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Marks and Spencer, Vintage Wool T-Shirts (13:54–16:32) Dvorak recalls his first trip to England in 1973 and the local reputation of Marks and Spencer, colloquially known as Marks and Sparks. He praises the high quality of their vintage Egyptian cotton briefs and wool t-shirts, some of which he still owns decades later. The hosts contrast this longevity with modern "consumption theory," where products are designed to fail early to encourage replacement. Keywords: [marks and spencer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marks-and-spencer.md), marks and sparks, [england](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/england.md), egyptian cotton, wool t-shirts, [consumerism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/consumerism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Gillette Mach3 Marketing, Razor Blade Longevity (16:33–19:02) Curry shares an anecdote from a Gillette Mach3 launch briefing where a marketing executive explicitly stated the company never discusses how long blades last. Dvorak posits a theory that the blades included with a new razor handle are sharper and more durable than the replacement cartridges sold separately. They discuss the evolution of multi-blade systems and the vibrating razor trend. Keywords: [gillette](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gillette.md), mach3, [razor blades](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/razor-blades.md), [marketing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/marketing.md), [planned obsolescence](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/planned-obsolescence.md), shaving [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Slovenia Horse Meat, Hot Horse Fast Food (19:02–20:42) A listener from Slovenia, Matej Golub, calls in to confirm Dvorak's previous claims about horse meat consumption in the country. He describes a popular late-night fast-food chain in Ljubljana called Hot Horse, which serves horse burgers to club-goers in the early morning hours. Keywords: [slovenia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slovenia.md), ljubljana, [horse meat](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/horse-meat.md), hot horse, [fast food](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fast-food.md), matej golub [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/8.md) ### 9. Slovenia and Croatia Travel, PC Magazine Licensing (20:43–23:35) Dvorak describes his travels through the Adriatic region, noting the abundance of free-roaming chickens in Slovenia and Croatia. He explains his professional ties to the region, including writing for Bug Magazine in Croatia and attending a PC Magazine licensee launch party in Slovenia. Curry expresses interest in visiting Turkey for a future vacation. Keywords: [slovenia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/slovenia.md), [croatia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/croatia.md), adriatic, [pc magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pc-magazine.md), [bug magazine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bug-magazine.md), [travel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/travel.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Turkish Rug Salesmen, Airport Security Procedures (23:35–25:50) Dvorak warns Curry about the aggressive tactics of Turkish rug salesmen, who sometimes follow customers back to the United States to pitch more inventory. The conversation shifts to international travel logistics, with Curry preparing for a return flight to San Francisco. They discuss the varying strictness of customs officers and the potential for a website that tracks airport entry procedures. Keywords: [turkey](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/turkey.md), rug sales, [istanbul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/istanbul.md), [san francisco airport](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco-airport.md), [customs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/customs.md), travel security [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/10.md) ### 11. Mac Audio Software Frustrations, Apple Updates (25:51–29:20) Curry expresses extreme frustration with his Macintosh-based recording setup, noting that it worked perfectly for his Daily Source Code podcast earlier that day but is failing during No Agenda. Dvorak suggests that a recent Apple software update might be the cause of the audio crackling. Curry laments the lack of a reliable, all-in-one portable digital processing solution for podcasters. Keywords: [macintosh](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/macintosh.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), cast blaster, [daily source code](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daily-source-code.md), [software updates](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/software-updates.md), [audio engineering](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/audio-engineering.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Cranky Geeks Show Structure, Sebastian the Shill (29:21–31:46) Dvorak explains the underlying production model of his show Cranky Geeks, featuring Sebastian Rupley. He describes Sebastian's role as a "shill" or co-host disguised as a guest, which allows the show to maintain momentum even if other guests are uninteresting. Curry and Dvorak discuss the dynamics of three-person talk shows versus the "blowhard" model of No Agenda. Keywords: [cranky geeks](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cranky-geeks.md), [leo laporte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leo-laporte.md), sebastian rupley, talk show format, [broadcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadcasting.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Leo Laporte Studio, Digital Audio Latency Challenges (31:46–35:27) The hosts discuss Leo Laporte's professional studio setup in Northern California. Curry explains the technical difficulty of monitoring processed digital audio in real-time without the "delay" that causes speakers to stutter. He notes that while current hardware is excellent for music production, it is not yet optimized for live, processed voice monitoring on a single portable machine. Keywords: [leo laporte](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/leo-laporte.md), [twit](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twit.md), [digital audio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/digital-audio.md), [latency](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/latency.md), [monitoring](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/monitoring.md), usb microphones [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Motorola Business Decline, StarTAC and MicroTAC History (35:29–39:09) The hosts review Motorola's poor performance at a recent Barcelona mobile conference. They trace the company's history from car radios (Victrola/Motorola) to the iconic StarTAC and the tiny MicroTAC. Dvorak argues that the company has struggled to innovate since the Razr, while Curry recalls the era when shrinking phone size was the primary design goal. Keywords: [motorola](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/motorola.md), ed zander, barcelona conference, startac, microtac, [mobile phones](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mobile-phones.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/14.md) ### 15. iPhone Signal Issues, Larry Magid Critique (39:09–41:30) Dvorak reports on Larry Magid's criticisms of the iPhone's signal reception. During a test, a Nokia phone on the same network maintained a signal while the iPhone failed. They discuss the potential interference caused by the iPhone's metal casing and speculate on future 3G and WiMAX iterations of the device. Keywords: [iphone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/iphone.md), [apple](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/apple.md), larry magid, [nokia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nokia.md), [at&t](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/at-t.md), signal strength [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/15.md) ### 16. Andrew Orlowski, The Register Tabloid Controversy (41:31–43:10) Dvorak highlights a satirical article by Andrew Orlowski of The Register, which reviewed a 1995 Nokia phone as if it were a modern breakthrough to mock current battery life issues. Curry reads a critical biography of Orlowski, mentioning his Polish heritage and The Register's reputation as a "dirty tabloid" that publishes private emails. Keywords: [andrew orlowski](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-orlowski.md), [the register](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/the-register.md), [nokia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nokia.md), [tech journalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-journalism.md), [poland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/poland.md), [soviet union](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/soviet-union.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Danish ISP Pirate Bay Defiance, UK Three Strikes Rule (43:11–45:46) The hosts discuss a Danish ISP's refusal to block The Pirate Bay despite legal pressure. They contrast this with a proposed "three strikes" rule in the United Kingdom, which would require ISPs to monitor traffic and disconnect users caught downloading illegal files. The segment includes a brief tangent about the cultural differences between baseball and cricket. Keywords: [denmark](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/denmark.md), [pirate bay](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pirate-bay.md), [isp](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/isp.md), [united kingdom](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-kingdom.md), three strikes rule, [copyright](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Dvorak's Writing Career, Radio Accents and Political Correctness (45:46–49:28) Dvorak reflects on his career as a writer versus a broadcaster, admitting he is not "cut out" for the visual demands of television. This leads to a demonstration of various radio voices and accents. Dvorak defends his use of an Indian accent, arguing it is the most common way English is spoken globally, despite potential criticism for being politically incorrect. Keywords: [writing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/writing.md), [broadcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/broadcasting.md), [accents](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/accents.md), indian accent, [george w. bush](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/george-w-bush.md), [political correctness](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/political-correctness.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Texas Executive Accents, John Roach of Radio Shack (49:29–51:55) Dvorak describes the specific "Texas executive" accent he encountered while visiting John Roach, the former CEO of Radio Shack, in Fort Worth. He observes that many high-level Texas businessmen seem to speak through their teeth, a style he characterizes as a form of professional mumbling. Keywords: [texas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/texas.md), [radio shack](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/radio-shack.md), john roach, [accents](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/accents.md), [fort worth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fort-worth.md), [linguistics](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/linguistics.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Desi Music, New Zealand vs. Australia Cultural Identity (51:56–55:58) The conversation moves from Indian accents to "Desi" music, which Curry praises for its unique harmonies. They then discuss the subtle differences between Australian and New Zealand (Kiwi) accents. Dvorak notes that Americans often confuse the two, much to the annoyance of New Zealanders, and they list famous exports from both countries, including Rachel Hunter and Mel Gibson. Keywords: desi music, [new zealand](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/new-zealand.md), [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), kiwi, rachel hunter, [mel gibson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mel-gibson.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Kerry Packer Death, Bread and Circuses Media (55:58–1:00:13) Dvorak discovers during a live search that Australian media mogul Kerry Packer died in 2005, having previously confused him with someone named "Parker." This prompts a discussion on the "bread and circuses" state of modern media, where the public is well-informed about celebrities like Britney Spears but ignorant of significant global figures and events. Keywords: kerry packer, [australia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/australia.md), media mogul, bread and circuses, [britney spears](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/britney-spears.md), [obituary](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/obituary.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Jay Leno's Jaywalking, American Geographic Ignorance (1:00:13–1:03:11) The hosts discuss Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segment as an indictment of American education. Dvorak recounts instances where interviewees could not identify the country Mexico City is in or name a country starting with the letter "U." They conclude that people are increasingly unable to recognize political leaders while remaining obsessed with overhyped celebrities. Keywords: [jay leno](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jay-leno.md), [jaywalking](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jaywalking.md), [mexico city](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mexico-city.md), [geography](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geography.md), [celebrity culture](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/celebrity-culture.md), [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Google Search Game Show Concept, Boolean Search Skills (1:03:13–1:06:34) Curry and Dvorak brainstorm a game show format based on rapid internet searching. They envision a competition where participants use Boolean operators and advanced search techniques to find obscure information. Dvorak argues that effective searching is a vital skill that should be taught in schools, comparing it to a modern-day spelling bee. Keywords: [google](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/google.md), [search engines](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/search-engines.md), [game show](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/game-show.md), boolean search, internet tonight, [education](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/education.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/17-gold-toe-socks/chapter/23.md) ### 24. Email Management Habits, Travel Route Experiments (1:06:35–1:09:10) Dvorak describes his habit of replying to "dumb" emails by sending the sender a Google search URL of their own question. The hosts discuss their differing email management styles before pivoting to a hypothetical travel experiment. Dvorak suggests Curry try entering the U.S. through Vancouver or Mexico to see if the border harassment differs from his usual experience. 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