# Salted Ducks

> Federal indictments target Russian influence operations in Tennessee while New York officials grapple with a Chinese spy scandal reaching the highest levels of state government.

- **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md)
- **Episode:** 1692
- **Published:** 2024-09-05
- **Length:** 3h 18m
- **People:** [Adam Curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/adam-curry.md) (host), [John C Dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/person/john-c-dvorak.md) (host)
- **Topics:** [Russian Disinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russian-disinformation.md), Tenet Media, Linda Sun, Brazil X Ban, NVIDIA Subpoena, [Manosphere](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manosphere.md), [CHIPS Act](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chips-act.md)
- **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks

## About this episode

The Department of Justice has indicted two RT executives and seized 32 internet domains in a massive crackdown on alleged Russian election interference. Attorney General Merrick Garland and FBI Director Christopher Wray claim a $10 million scheme funneled Kremlin funds through Tenet Media to pay high-profile American influencers including Tim Pool and Benny Johnson. This preemptive strike against foreign propaganda arrives as the Biden administration attempts to shore up support for the Ukraine war narrative ahead of the 2024 election.

In New York, former deputy chief of staff Linda Sun was arrested for acting as an unregistered agent of the Chinese government, leading Governor Kathy Hochul to request the expulsion of Consul General Huang Ping. Meanwhile, Brazil’s Supreme Court upheld a nationwide ban on X after Elon Musk refused to appoint a legal representative, prompting Justice Alexandre de Moraes to freeze Starlink’s financial accounts. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo told 60 Minutes that U.S. export controls have forced Russia to scavenge semiconductors from appliances, while NVIDIA faces a fresh DOJ antitrust subpoena regarding its dominance in the AI chip market.

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak break down the media's new obsession with the Manosphere as MSNBC hosts Joy Reid and Alex Wagner panic over Donald Trump’s podcast tour with Theo Von and Lex Friedman. The show explores the dark history of the term Joy Division, the rise of the German AfD party, and the curious case of a 14-year-old Georgia shooter who was previously on the FBI radar. The broadcast concludes with a car wash tip involving watermelon-scented foam and a series of listener-produced music mixes.

## Chapters

Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/transcript.md.

### 1. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Episode 1692 Introduction (0:00–1:33)

Adam Curry broadcasts from the cruise ship capital of Mexico, north of Puerto Vallarta, while John C. Dvorak joins from northern Silicon Valley. Curry reflects on his 60th birthday and the performance of his new mobile broadcasting rig. The hosts establish the theme for Episode 1692, titled "Russian Disinformation."

Keywords: [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md), [mexico](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mexico.md), puerto vallarta, [silicon valley](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/silicon-valley.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/1.md)

### 2. Department of Justice, RT Editors Indicted for Election Interference (1:34–8:12)

The Department of Justice indicted two Russian nationals and media executives from RT for violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Officials allege a $10 million scheme used a Tennessee-based company to disseminate English-language content favorable to the Russian government. The FBI also moved to seize 32 internet domains designed to mimic legitimate U.S. news outlets like the Washington Post and Fox News.

Keywords: [department of justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-justice.md), [rt](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rt.md), [merrick garland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merrick-garland.md), foreign agents registration act, [election interference](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/election-interference.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/2.md)

### 3. Tenet Media, Tim Pool and Benny Johnson Russian Funding Allegations (8:12–16:24)

Tenet Media is identified as the Tennessee-based company allegedly receiving Russian funds to pay high-profile influencers including Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, and Dave Rubin. Pool and Johnson issued statements claiming they were victims of deception and maintained full editorial control over their licensed content. The hosts analyze the timing of the DOJ indictment as a preemptive strike to protect the Ukraine war narrative ahead of the 2024 election.

Keywords: tenet media, [tim pool](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tim-pool.md), [benny johnson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benny-johnson.md), [dave rubin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dave-rubin.md), [lauren southern](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lauren-southern.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/3.md)

### 4. John Kirby, PBS Interview on Sophisticated Russian Propaganda (16:25–32:05)

Retired Rear Admiral John Kirby appeared on PBS to discuss the sophistication of Russian disinformation campaigns aimed at undermining support for Ukraine. Kirby emphasized that the Kremlin-funded efforts used AI and fictional personas to reduce international support for the war. The discussion highlights the government's coordination with tech companies to monitor and disrupt these foreign influence operations.

Keywords: [john kirby](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kirby.md), [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md), [merrick garland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merrick-garland.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [disinformation](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/disinformation.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/4.md)

### 5. Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine Victory Plan and Government Shakeup (32:05–35:48)

President Volodymyr Zelensky discussed his "victory plan" in an interview with NBC's Richard Engel, stating he intends to present the strategy to President Biden and U.S. candidates. The plan follows a surprise military operation in Russian territory and a significant shakeup in the Ukrainian cabinet, including the resignation of the foreign minister. Zelensky maintains that holding Russian territory is a conceptual part of restoring territorial integrity.

Keywords: [volodymyr zelensky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volodymyr-zelensky.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), victory plan, [richard engel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-engel.md), [kursk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kursk.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/5.md)

### 6. Alexa Election Bias, Amazon Voice Assistant Controversy (35:49–38:03)

A viral clip circulated showing Amazon's Alexa providing reasons to vote for Kamala Harris while refusing to provide similar reasons for Donald Trump. The hosts discuss the prevalence of algorithmic bias in search results and voice assistants. They note that while the story gained significant traction on Fox News, such occurrences have become standard operating procedure for big tech platforms.

Keywords: [alexa](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexa.md), [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), election bias, [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/6.md)

### 7. Elon Musk, X Free Speech and User Censorship Concerns (38:03–44:08)

The hosts address listener feedback regarding their skepticism of Elon Musk and his management of X. A letter from a long-time user, Coconut Pete, argues that free speech on the platform has worsened under Musk due to the prioritization of paid accounts and opaque suspension policies. The discussion explores Musk's role as a government contractor and the potential for his platforms to be used for surveillance.

Keywords: [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), x, [twitter](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter.md), [free speech](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/free-speech.md), [censorship](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/censorship.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/7.md)

### 8. Brazil Supreme Court, X Ban and Starlink Account Freeze (44:08–56:07)

Brazil's Supreme Court upheld a nationwide ban on the social media platform X after Elon Musk failed to appoint a legal representative and pay fines. Justice Alexandre de Moraes also froze the financial accounts of Starlink in the country to ensure payment of penalties. Investor Kevin O'Leary and other commentators debate whether the move is a Marxist overreach or a legitimate enforcement of national sovereignty against a foreign corporation.

Keywords: [brazil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/brazil.md), [alexandre de moraes](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/alexandre-de-moraes.md), lula, [elon musk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/elon-musk.md), [starlink](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/starlink.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/8.md)

### 9. Glenn Greenwald, Twitter Files Brazil and PayPal Mafia (56:07–1:02:19)

The conflict in Brazil is traced back to Elon Musk providing internal communications to journalist Glenn Greenwald regarding censorship of Jair Bolsonaro's supporters. The hosts also discuss Musk's history with the "PayPal Mafia" and his relationships with Silicon Valley power brokers like Roelof Botha of Sequoia Capital. They question whether Musk is a true independent or a front man for intelligence community interests.

Keywords: [glenn greenwald](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glenn-greenwald.md), [twitter files](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/twitter-files.md), [bolsonaro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bolsonaro.md), [peter thiel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peter-thiel.md), [sequoia capital](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sequoia-capital.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/9.md)

### 10. Linda Sun, Chinese Spy Allegations in New York Government (1:02:21–1:10:44)

Linda Sun, a former deputy chief of staff to New York Governors Andrew Cuomo and Kathy Hochul, was arrested for acting as an unregistered agent of the Chinese government. Prosecutors allege Sun and her husband, Chris Hu, received millions in kickbacks used to purchase a $3.5 million Long Island mansion and a Ferrari. Sun is accused of blocking Taiwanese officials from meeting with New York leadership and altering government messaging to favor Beijing.

Keywords: linda sun, [kathy hochul](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kathy-hochul.md), [andrew cuomo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-cuomo.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/10.md)

### 11. Chinese Consulates, Foreign Interference and Diplomatic Expulsions (1:10:43–1:19:43)

Following the Linda Sun indictment, Governor Kathy Hochul requested the expulsion of the Chinese Consul General in New York, Huang Ping, who subsequently left his post. Investigative reports highlight how Chinese consulates use local cultural and student groups to exert influence on American soil. The Department of Justice continues to emphasize the use of the Foreign Agents Registration Act to combat covert foreign interference.

Keywords: huang ping, [merrick garland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merrick-garland.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [taiwan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/taiwan.md), [epoch times](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/epoch-times.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/11.md)

### 12. Gina Raimondo, 60 Minutes Interview on Semiconductor War (1:19:45–1:31:16)

Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo appeared on 60 Minutes to discuss the strategic importance of semiconductors in national security. Raimondo claimed U.S. export controls forced Russia to scavenge chips from breast pumps and refrigerators for military use. The discussion covers the CHIPS Act, the vulnerability of relying on Taiwan for 90% of advanced chips, and the ongoing technological competition with Chinese firm Huawei.

Keywords: [gina raimondo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gina-raimondo.md), [department of commerce](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-commerce.md), [semiconductors](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/semiconductors.md), [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [russia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/russia.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/12.md)

### 13. NVIDIA Subpoena, DOJ Antitrust Investigation into AI Chips (1:31:16–1:33:34)

The U.S. Department of Justice issued a subpoena to NVIDIA as part of an antitrust investigation into the company's dominance of the AI chip market. Regulators are examining whether NVIDIA penalizes customers who use competing suppliers or favors those who use its products exclusively. The probe coincides with a market downturn for AI stocks amid concerns that the technology's economic benefits have been overhyped.

Keywords: [nvidia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nvidia.md), [department of justice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/department-of-justice.md), [jensen huang](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jensen-huang.md), [antitrust](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/antitrust.md), [ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/13.md)

### 14. Value for Value, No Agenda Art and Joy Division History (1:33:35–1:45:15)

The hosts discuss the "Value for Value" funding model and thank artists for contributing episode artwork. A historical correction is provided regarding the term "Joy Division," noting its origins as Nazi concentration camp brothels rather than just a musical reference. This leads to a critique of NPR's appointment of a "Joy Czar" and the use of "joy" as a political branding tool by the Democratic party.

Keywords: [value for value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), [npr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/npr.md), joy division, nsdap, [darren o'neil](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/darren-o-neil.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/14.md)

### 15. Executive Producer Donations, Knighting and Daming Ceremony (1:45:16–2:01:49)

Adam and John acknowledge high-tier donations from executive and associate executive producers. Several listeners receive titles, including Sir Spook of Spokane and Dame Jen with a G, following their contributions. The segment includes personal notes from donors, birthday wishes, and the "de-douching" of new members of the No Agenda community.

Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [daming](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/daming.md), [round table](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/round-table.md), [producers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/producers.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/15.md)

### 16. DHS See Say Day, Immigration Surge and Economic Impact (2:01:51–2:05:32)

The Department of Homeland Security designated September 25th as "If You See Something, Say Something Awareness Day." Simultaneously, reports from the Congressional Budget Office indicate a massive surge in immigration, with 6.5 million illegal immigrants entering the U.S. recently. Analysts suggest this influx provides cheap labor for construction and service industries, effectively suppressing wages for native-born workers.

Keywords: [dhs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dhs.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [congressional budget office](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congressional-budget-office.md), [census bureau](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/census-bureau.md), [wages](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wages.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/16.md)

### 17. The Manosphere, MSNBC Critiques of Trump Podcast Strategy (2:05:33–2:14:22)

MSNBC hosts Joy Reid and Alex Wagner have branded the network of podcasts and streamers supporting Donald Trump as the "Manosphere" or "Manoverse." The media critique focuses on Trump's appearances with influencers like Theo Von and Lex Friedman to target young male voters. A clip from the Lex Friedman interview features Trump discussing the potential release of files related to Jeffrey Epstein and JFK.

Keywords: [joy reid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joy-reid.md), alex alex wagner, [manosphere](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/manosphere.md), [jd vance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jd-vance.md), [lex friedman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lex-friedman.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/17.md)

### 18. Opportunity Economy, Kamala Harris Small Business Plan (2:14:22–2:22:54)

Vice President Kamala Harris proposed an "Opportunity Economy" plan in New Hampshire, including a $50,000 tax deduction for startups. The hosts dispute her claim that unions created the five-day work week, attributing the innovation instead to industrialist Henry Ford. They also question the validity of her goal to create 25 million new business applications, noting that starting a business in the U.S. does not typically require a government application.

Keywords: [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [opportunity economy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/opportunity-economy.md), [small business](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/small-business.md), [henry ford](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/henry-ford.md), [unions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/unions.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/18.md)

### 19. Hamas Terrorism Charges, Two Nice Jewish Boys Controversy (2:22:55–2:28:26)

Attorney General Merrick Garland announced terrorism charges against Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and others for the October 7th attacks and the murder of American citizens. The hosts play a controversial clip from the "Two Nice Jewish Boys" podcast where the speakers discuss the hypothetical destruction of Gaza. The segment highlights the extreme rhetoric present on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Keywords: [hamas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamas.md), [merrick garland](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/merrick-garland.md), [yahya sinwar](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/yahya-sinwar.md), [israel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/israel.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/19.md)

### 20. Polio Outbreak in Gaza, UK Asylum Treaty Rejection (2:28:27–2:33:08)

A polio outbreak in Gaza was linked to a mutated virus from an oral polio vaccine, marking the first case in the region in 25 years. In the UK, Prime Minister Keir Starmer rejected an asylum treaty with the EU following the deaths of 12 migrants in the English Channel. French officials argue that Britain's unregulated job market acts as a "pull factor" for illegal immigration.

Keywords: [polio](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/polio.md), [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vaccine.md), [keir starmer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/keir-starmer.md), [english channel](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/english-channel.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/20.md)

### 21. Georgia School Shooting, Colt Gray and FBI Warnings (2:33:09–2:38:11)

A 14-year-old student, Colt Gray, opened fire at Apalachee High School in Georgia, killing four people. The FBI revealed that Gray and his father had been questioned a year prior regarding online threats, but no arrest was made at the time. The hosts discuss the potential role of SSRIs in such tragedies and the political timing of the event relative to upcoming presidential debates.

Keywords: colt gray, [georgia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/georgia.md), [fbi](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fbi.md), [school shooting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/school-shooting.md), [ssris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ssris.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/21.md)

### 22. GLP-1 Side Effects, Novo Nordisk Lawsuit and Pharma Ads (2:38:11–2:45:24)

A CBS investigative report detailed severe side effects from GLP-1 weight loss drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy, including a case of stomach paralysis requiring surgery. A Pennsylvania woman is suing manufacturer Novo Nordisk, alleging the company failed to warn patients of these risks. The hosts analyze the report as a potential "brand war" between pharmaceutical companies as they compete for the lucrative weight loss market.

Keywords: [ozempic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ozempic.md), [wegovy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wegovy.md), [novo nordisk](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/novo-nordisk.md), [glp-1](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glp-1.md), [gastroparesis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gastroparesis.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/22.md)

### 23. AfD Election Success, German Political Unrest (2:45:25–2:47:46)

The Alternative for Germany (AfD) party won a regional election in Thuringia, marking the first right-wing victory in Germany since the Nazi era. Chancellor Olaf Scholz and other mainstream politicians have called for a "firewall" to prevent coalitions with the AfD. The hosts discuss the media's framing of the party as "extremist" and the underlying voter frustration regarding immigration and national identity.

Keywords: [afd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/afd.md), [germany](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/germany.md), thuringia, [olaf scholz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/olaf-scholz.md), [nationalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nationalism.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/23.md)

### 24. Temu and Sheen Investigation, Chase Bank TikTok Fraud (2:47:48–2:54:40)

Federal regulators are calling for an investigation into Chinese e-commerce sites Temu and Sheen over the sale of potentially dangerous baby products. Meanwhile, Chase Bank issued a warning regarding a viral TikTok "glitch" that was actually a form of check fraud. The hosts suggest these stories are often pushed by domestic competitors like Amazon to discredit foreign platforms.

Keywords: [temu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/temu.md), sheen, [amazon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/amazon.md), [chase bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chase-bank.md), [tiktok](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tiktok.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/24.md)

### 25. Producer Credits, Birthday Wishes and Meetup Reports (2:54:42–3:08:22)

The hosts read the final list of producer donations and celebrate several birthdays within the No Agenda community. Audio reports are played from recent meetups in Spokane, Washington, and Plymouth, Massachusetts, including a wedding celebration for two listeners. Information is provided for upcoming gatherings in California, North Carolina, Colorado, and Wisconsin.

Keywords: [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [birthday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/birthday.md), [spokane](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/spokane.md), [plymouth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/plymouth.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/25.md)

### 26. Tip of the Day, Chemical Guys Car Wash and Outro (3:08:22–3:18:20)

John C. Dvorak provides a "Tip of the Day" recommending Chemical Guys' Watermelon Snow Foam for car washing, noting its effectiveness on ceramic-coated vehicles. The hosts sign off with a series of listener-produced music mixes focused on the theme of "joy." Adam Curry confirms he will remain in Mexico for the next broadcast.

Keywords: chemical guys, [car wash](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/car-wash.md), [benzene](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benzene.md), [adam curry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/adam-curry.md), [john c. dvorak](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-c-dvorak.md)

[Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1692-salted-ducks/chapter/26.md)

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