# p-doom > Global elections deliver a populist shock to the establishment while the tech elite battle over the probability of AI doom and the future of OpenAI. - **Show:** [The No Agenda Show](https://search.noagendashow.net/index.md) - **Episode:** 1610 - **Published:** 2023-11-23 - **Length:** 3h 38m - **Topics:** Dutch Election, [Javier Milei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/javier-milei.md), [OpenAI](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), P-Doom, Mystery Pneumonia, [AIPAC](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aipac.md), [Carbon Tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-tax.md) - **Web page:** https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom ## About this episode Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party (PVV) secured a landslide victory in the Dutch general elections, capturing 35 seats in parliament and signaling a massive shift in European politics. The win follows Javier Milei’s libertarian triumph in Argentina, where the president-elect has pledged to abolish the central bank and adopt the U.S. dollar to combat triple-digit inflation. These global populist surges coincide with escalating domestic rhetoric as Illinois Governor JB Pritzker and MSNBC commentators compare Donald Trump’s campaign language to 1930s Germany. In the technology sector, Sam Altman returned as CEO of OpenAI following a board coup that exposed deep rifts between "effective altruism" and "accelerationism" philosophies. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella clarified that his firm holds the necessary intellectual property to continue AI development regardless of OpenAI’s stability, effectively using the startup as a legal shield against copyright litigation. Meanwhile, reports of a mystery pneumonia outbreak in northern China have pediatric hospitals at capacity, prompting comparisons to the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic while the CDC launches a new marketing blitz for RSV and flu vaccinations. Jordan Peterson and Bill Maher challenged the university-led oppressor narratives that have fueled recent campus unrest and the professional downfall of actress Susan Sarandon. The episode also tracks the Council on Foreign Relations’ pivot on Ukraine, as Richard Haass suggests the nation must lower its military expectations and consider a ceasefire. Finally, Gabriella Cimino provides a moment of levity, receiving the Girl Scout Gold Award for her dedicated work in alopecia awareness. ## Chapters Each chapter's transcript is at its own link. The whole transcript is at https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/transcript.md. ### 1. Thanksgiving Protests, Decolonization, and Personal Gratitude (0:00–9:55) Protesters supporting Palestine disrupted the Thanksgiving Day parade, leading to a discussion on the push to "decolonize" the holiday. A viral clip features a millennial woman advocating for renaming the day "Tribal Nations Day" and planting native species. The hosts reflect on the history of the holiday, including Abraham Lincoln's role, and share personal anecdotes about gratitude and a checkout clerk's recovery from a heart attack. Keywords: [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), palestinian protesters, [decolonization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/decolonization.md), tribal nations day, [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [black friday](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/black-friday.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/1.md) ### 2. Geert Wilders and Dutch Election Landslide (9:55–15:04) Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party (PVV) achieved a landslide victory in the Dutch general elections, securing 35 seats in parliament. Media outlets like PBS and the BBC characterized the win as a "far-right" surge, while Wilders signaled a willingness to compromise to form a coalition. The election results were largely driven by voter frustration over immigration policies and a national housing shortage. Keywords: [geert wilders](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/geert-wilders.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [pvv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pvv.md), [immigration](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/immigration.md), [frans timmermans](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/frans-timmermans.md), [bbc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bbc-news.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/2.md) ### 3. Javier Milei and Argentinian Libertarian Victory (15:21–21:18) Javier Milei, a self-described libertarian, won the Argentinian presidential election, promising radical reforms to combat 140% inflation. His platform includes adopting the U.S. dollar as the official currency, closing the central bank, and loosening gun laws. Media reports highlighted his unconventional personal life, including his four cloned dogs named after famous economists. Keywords: [javier milei](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/javier-milei.md), [argentina](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/argentina.md), [libertarian](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/libertarian.md), [central bank](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/central-bank.md), cloned dogs, [pbs](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pbs.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/3.md) ### 4. Jordan Peterson on Oppressor Narratives and Susan Sarandon (21:19–27:02) Jordan Peterson appeared on Bill Maher's program to criticize the "oppressor versus oppressed" narrative taught in universities, which he claims fuels radical leftist support for Palestine. In a related event, actress Susan Sarandon was dropped by her talent agency, UTA, following controversial remarks at a pro-Palestinian rally. The discussion notes a shift in Hollywood and academia regarding the Israel-Hamas conflict. Keywords: [jordan peterson](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jordan-peterson.md), [bill maher](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-maher.md), [susan sarandon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/susan-sarandon.md), [anti-semitism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anti-semitism.md), [palestine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/palestine.md), uta [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/4.md) ### 5. Gaza Conflict, Incubator Propaganda, and Hostage Deal (27:02–30:59) Israel and Hamas reached a temporary hostage deal mediated by Qatar, Egypt, and the U.S. after 46 days of conflict. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu emphasized that the war would continue until Hamas is eliminated, despite the brief respite. The segment also critiques the use of "incubator babies" in media coverage and a flubbed press briefing by a State Department spokesperson regarding hospital infrastructure. Keywords: [gaza](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/gaza.md), [al-shifa hospital](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-shifa-hospital.md), [benjamin netanyahu](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/benjamin-netanyahu.md), [hamas](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hamas.md), hostage deal, [state department](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/state-department.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/5.md) ### 6. Richard Haass and the CFR Shift on Ukraine (30:59–35:57) Richard Haass, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), appeared on Morning Joe to argue that Ukraine must lower its military goals. Haass suggested that liberating 100% of Ukrainian territory is no longer feasible and proposed a ceasefire to allow for the rebuilding of the 80% of the country currently under Ukrainian control. This marks a significant policy shift among Western foreign policy elites. Keywords: [richard haass](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/richard-haass.md), [council on foreign relations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/council-on-foreign-relations.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [volodymyr zelensky](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/volodymyr-zelensky.md), [joe scarborough](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-scarborough.md), [morning joe](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/morning-joe.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/6.md) ### 7. Vladimir Putin G20 Appearance and Douglas McGregor (35:57–38:42) Vladimir Putin participated remotely in a G20 summit, referring to the conflict in Ukraine as a "tragedy" and signaling an openness to peace negotiations. Meanwhile, Colonel Douglas McGregor criticized the Washington establishment's incompetence in handling the war. The hosts observe that Russia appears to be on a permanent war footing while the West struggles with diplomatic strategy. Keywords: [vladimir putin](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vladimir-putin.md), [g20](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/g20.md), [ukraine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ukraine.md), [douglas mcgregor](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/douglas-mcgregor.md), [peace negotiations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peace-negotiations.md), [washington](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/washington.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/7.md) ### 8. Canada-Ukraine Trade Deal and AIPAC Influence (38:43–43:17) Canadian Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre criticized a new trade agreement with Ukraine, alleging it imposes a "carbon tax" on the war-torn nation. In the United States, AIPAC is reportedly spending heavily to unseat members of the Congressional Black Caucus who have been critical of Israel. The discussion highlights the intersection of international trade, environmental policy, and domestic lobbying. Keywords: [pierre poilievre](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pierre-poilievre.md), [canada](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/canada.md), [carbon tax](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-tax.md), [aipac](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/aipac.md), [michigan](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michigan.md), [congressional black caucus](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/congressional-black-caucus.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/8.md) ### 9. JB Pritzker and the Trump-Hitler Rhetoric (43:17–48:59) Illinois Governor JB Pritzker appeared on MSNBC with Jen Psaki to compare Donald Trump's rhetoric to that of 1930s Germany. Pritzker specifically cited Trump's use of the word "vermin" as a precursor to dehumanization and segregation. The hosts critique Pritzker's family background and the historical accuracy of his comparisons regarding immigrants in pre-war Germany. Keywords: [jb pritzker](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jb-pritzker.md), [jen psaki](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/jen-psaki.md), [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [holocaust museum](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/holocaust-museum.md), vermin, [msnbc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/msnbc.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/9.md) ### 10. Media Fears of Trump Authoritarianism and "Elimination" (48:59–55:59) MSNBC hosts and guests, including Al Sharpton and Mika Brzezinski, expressed extreme concern that a second Trump term would lead to an authoritarian government and the execution of political rivals. Representative Daniel Goldman drew criticism for stating that Trump "has to be eliminated," a phrase the hosts suggest warrants Secret Service investigation. The segment explores the escalating rhetoric from the "established state" against Trump's rising poll numbers. Keywords: [donald trump](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donald-trump.md), [mika brzezinski](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mika-brzezinski.md), [al sharpton](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/al-sharpton.md), daniel goldman, [secret service](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/secret-service.md), [authoritarianism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/authoritarianism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/10.md) ### 11. 2024 Polls, Congressional Resignations, and Andrew Cuomo (56:00–1:00:06) A new Emerson College poll shows Donald Trump widening his lead over Joe Biden, particularly as Biden loses support among minority voters. Simultaneously, over 30 members of Congress, including Anna Eshoo, have announced they will not seek re-election due to frustration with the legislative environment. In New York, rumors circulate that Andrew Cuomo may run for mayor if Eric Adams resigns amid legal investigations. Keywords: emerson college poll, [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [anna eshoo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/anna-eshoo.md), [andrew cuomo](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/andrew-cuomo.md), [eric adams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/eric-adams.md), [ntd news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ntd-news.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/11.md) ### 12. Joe Biden's 81st Birthday and Fox News Gaffes (1:00:06–1:07:13) President Joe Biden celebrated his 81st birthday amid concerns from Democratic strategist David Axelrod about his ability to "cheat nature." During a Fox News segment, Senator Chris Coons made a historical gaffe regarding Rudy Giuliani's 2008 polling, which went uncorrected by the panel. The hosts mock the declining quality of cable news commentary and the awkward handling of Biden's age. Keywords: [joe biden](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/joe-biden.md), [david axelrod](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/david-axelrod.md), [chris coons](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/chris-coons.md), [fox news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fox-news.md), [rudy giuliani](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rudy-giuliani.md), [ageism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ageism.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/12.md) ### 13. Sam Altman's Return to OpenAI and Peak AI Hype (1:07:14–1:13:55) Sam Altman officially returned as CEO of OpenAI following a chaotic board ouster, with Larry Summers and Brett Taylor joining a new board. The hosts argue that the drama exposes "peak AI hype" and that Altman functions more as a marketing figure than a technical innovator. The internal conflict reportedly involved Ilya Sutskever and concerns over "effective altruism" versus "accelerationism." Keywords: [sam altman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/sam-altman.md), [openai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/openai.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [satya nadella](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satya-nadella.md), [larry summers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/larry-summers.md), ilya sutskever [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/13.md) ### 14. Microsoft's "Shim" Strategy and AI Copyright Lawsuits (1:13:55–1:20:17) Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella clarified that Microsoft owns the intellectual property and compute rights necessary to continue OpenAI's mission even if the startup fails. The hosts describe OpenAI as a "shim" designed to protect Microsoft from the legal liability of massive copyright infringement lawsuits filed by authors. The discussion touches on the legal definition of "fair use" and how it applies to large language models. Keywords: [satya nadella](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/satya-nadella.md), [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [azure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/azure.md), [copyright infringement](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/copyright-infringement.md), [fair use](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fair-use.md), [vanilla ice](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/vanilla-ice.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/14.md) ### 15. AI Integration in Business and "Clippy on Steroids" (1:20:18–1:24:30) The practical application of AI in the corporate world is described as "Clippy on steroids," focusing on automated meeting transcripts and calendar integration. Microsoft's primary goal is to sell Azure cloud compute cycles to companies building their own fine-tuned language models. The hosts remain skeptical of the revolutionary claims, viewing it as a resource-intensive tool for call centers and data retrieval. Keywords: [microsoft teams](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft-teams.md), azure cloud, [llm](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/llm.md), [call centers](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/call-centers.md), clippy, compute cycles [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/15.md) ### 16. P-Doom, Sentient AI, and the "Techno-Douche" Perspective (1:24:31–1:33:20) Interim OpenAI CEO Emmet Shear and various venture capitalists are critiqued for their "P-Doom" (probability of doom) theories regarding sentient AI. Shear argues that AI could eventually self-improve at a rate that threatens human existence, a concept the hosts dismiss as a mathematical fallacy based on "recursion." Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Lex Fridman are also mentioned for their warnings about AI enslavement. Keywords: emmet sheer, p-doom, sentient ai, [recursion](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/recursion.md), [rfk jr](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rfk-jr.md), [lex friedman](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/lex-friedman.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/16.md) ### 17. Effective Accelerationism and Medical AI Expert Systems (1:33:20–1:40:29) A report from France 24 explains the philosophical battle between "effective altruism" and "effective accelerationism" (e/acc) within the tech industry. The segment transitions into a critique of AI in healthcare, comparing modern "predictive health" claims to the failed "expert systems" of the 1980s. The hosts argue that these systems are often just opaque decision trees prone to data bias. Keywords: effective accelerationism, [france 24](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/france-24.md), [deep learning](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/deep-learning.md), [medical ai](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medical-ai.md), [expert systems](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/expert-systems.md), algorithmic bias [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/17.md) ### 18. Microsoft's History of Sucking Up Intellectual Property (1:40:29–1:45:09) Reflecting on Microsoft's business tactics, the hosts recall how the company acquired vast amounts of machine translation IP from defunct firms like Lernout & Hauspie in the early 2000s. Despite owning the foundational technology for speech-to-text, Microsoft often lets acquired IP languish rather than innovating. This historical pattern is used to frame Microsoft's current relationship with OpenAI. Keywords: [microsoft](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/microsoft.md), [intellectual property](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/intellectual-property.md), machine translation, lernout & hauspie, [tech history](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/tech-history.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/18.md) ### 19. Roger Stone and the Michelle Obama 2024 Prediction (1:45:10–1:50:00) During an appearance on the PBD Podcast, Roger Stone predicted that Michelle Obama will replace Joe Biden as the 2024 Democratic nominee. Stone argues that the DNC moved the first primary to South Carolina and the convention to Chicago to facilitate this transition. He claims Michelle Obama is the only candidate who can "race-card" past Kamala Harris without fracturing the party. Keywords: [roger stone](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/roger-stone.md), [michelle obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/michelle-obama.md), [barack obama](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/barack-obama.md), [kamala harris](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/kamala-harris.md), [dnc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dnc.md), [2024 election](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/2024-election.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/19.md) ### 20. Mystery Pneumonia in China and Pandemic Preparedness (1:50:00–1:55:30) Reports of a "mystery pneumonia" outbreak in Beijing and northern China have overwhelmed pediatric hospitals, drawing comparisons to the early days of COVID-19. Chinese authorities are reportedly blocking information as schools suspend classes. The hosts also play a clip of the Moderna CEO from a previous WEF meeting discussing the need to manufacture a billion doses in anticipation of a pandemic. Keywords: [china](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/china.md), [pneumonia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pneumonia.md), [beijing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/beijing.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [moderna](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/moderna.md), [ntd news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ntd-news.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/20.md) ### 21. Dr. Mandy Cohen and the New CDC Marketing (1:55:30–2:04:14) New CDC Director Dr. Mandy Cohen appeared on the Today show to urge Americans to get updated COVID-19, flu, and RSV vaccinations before holiday gatherings. The hosts criticize her "marketing" approach and the agency's attempt to rebuild trust through transparency. The segment highlights the continued push for vaccines despite public fatigue and skepticism regarding their effectiveness in stopping transmission. Keywords: [mandy cohen](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mandy-cohen.md), [cdc](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cdc.md), [covid-19 vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/covid-19-vaccine.md), [flu shot](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/flu-shot.md), [rsv](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rsv.md), [nbc today](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/nbc-today.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/21.md) ### 22. Pharmaceutical Native Advertising and Paxlovid Promotion (2:04:15–2:08:45) ABC News featured a segment promoting Paxlovid as a critical treatment for COVID-19, which the hosts identify as "native advertising" tied to pharmaceutical sponsorships. The report claims Paxlovid reduces hospitalization risk by 90%, even as newer studies suggest decreasing effectiveness. The hosts mock the scripted nature of these morning show health segments and the financial ties between networks and drug makers. Keywords: [paxlovid](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paxlovid.md), [pfizer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pfizer.md), [abc news](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/abc-news.md), [native advertising](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/native-advertising.md), [covid-19 treatment](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/covid-19-treatment.md), [hospitalizations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/hospitalizations.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/22.md) ### 23. Weight Loss Drugs and the Thanksgiving "Game Changer" (2:08:46–2:11:37) Media reports are framing weight loss drugs like Ozempic and Mounjaro as "game changers" for the Thanksgiving holiday, as users report a decreased interest in traditional feasting. Walmart's CEO noted that customers on these medications are buying less food, prompting the food industry to consider smaller portion sizes. The hosts critique the promotion of these drugs as a way to "increase energy" for the holidays. Keywords: [ozempic](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ozempic.md), [mounjaro](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mounjaro.md), [wegovy](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/wegovy.md), [weight loss](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/weight-loss.md), [walmart](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/walmart.md), [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/23.md) ### 24. RSV Vaccine Lunch and Medicare Gouging (2:11:37–2:14:57) A "boots on the ground" report from a physician in the Netherlands describes a Pfizer-sponsored lunch aimed at raising awareness for RSV vaccines. The report notes that while RSV is common in infants, it is rarely a cause for hospitalization in the elderly, yet it is being marketed to seniors to "gouge" government healthcare systems. The hosts discuss the financial incentives for doctors to push unnecessary shots to Medicare recipients. Keywords: [pfizer](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/pfizer.md), [rsv vaccine](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/rsv-vaccine.md), [glaxosmithkline](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/glaxosmithkline.md), [medicare](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/medicare.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), elderly health [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/24.md) ### 25. EV Market Collapse and Ammonia-Powered Cars (2:14:57–2:18:19) The electric vehicle market is facing challenges as copper prices fluctuate and insurance companies struggle to cover high battery replacement costs. A report from a Mercedes-Benz insider suggests that high-end AMG models will transition to four-cylinder engines paired with batteries, a move unpopular with enthusiasts. Additionally, Toyota has announced a prototype engine that runs on ammonia, which the hosts view with skepticism. Keywords: [mercedes-benz](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mercedes-benz.md), [electric vehicles](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/electric-vehicles.md), amg, [toyota](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/toyota.md), ammonia engine, copper prices [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/25.md) ### 26. Climate Change Thresholds and UN Carbon Projections (2:18:20–2:21:10) CNN reported that global average temperatures briefly exceeded the 2-degree Celsius threshold above pre-industrial levels for the first time. The UN warns that current fossil fuel extraction plans will lead to a 2.9-degree increase, far exceeding Paris Accord goals. The hosts mock the "climate of fear" reporting style and the persistent warnings of "tipping points" in the Arctic and Antarctic. Keywords: [climate change](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-change.md), [paris accord](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/paris-accord.md), [bill weir](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/bill-weir.md), [cnn](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cnn.md), [united nations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/united-nations.md), [carbon emissions](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/carbon-emissions.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/26.md) ### 27. Vanessa Kerry and the WHO Climate-Health Link (2:21:11–2:26:59) Vanessa Kerry, daughter of U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry, has been appointed as the first-ever Special Envoy for Climate Change and Health for the WHO. In her new role, she argues that the "climate crisis is a health crisis," citing millions of deaths from air pollution. The hosts criticize the appointment as nepotism and warn that linking health to climate could lead to "climate lockdowns." Keywords: vanessa kerry, [john kerry](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/john-kerry.md), [world health organization](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/world-health-organization.md), [climate crisis](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/climate-crisis.md), [cop28](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/cop28.md), seed global health [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/27.md) ### 28. "Nat Pops" and News Production Strategies (2:27:01–2:29:21) A photojournalist from Phoenix explains the industry term "Nat Pops," which refers to natural sounds like gunfire or explosions used to break up reporter narration in news packages. These sounds are a deliberate strategy to draw viewers into a story and are considered a mark of high-quality video editing. The hosts reflect on how these techniques are used in war reporting to create a more immersive experience. Keywords: nat pops, [news production](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/news-production.md), [video editing](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/video-editing.md), [photojournalism](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/photojournalism.md), [storytelling](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/storytelling.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/28.md) ### 29. No Agenda Value-for-Value and Spekkoek Tradition (2:29:24–2:39:33) The hosts discuss the "value-for-value" model that has sustained the show for 16 years without advertising or sponsorships. As a Thanksgiving treat, a Dutch dessert called "Spekkoek" (thousand-layer cake) is introduced, highlighting its Indonesian origins and the labor-intensive process of baking its many layers. The segment transitions into a call for listener support through time, talent, and treasure. Keywords: [value-for-value](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/value-for-value.md), spekkoek, [indonesia](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/indonesia.md), [netherlands](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/netherlands.md), [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md), [podcasting](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/podcasting.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/29.md) ### 30. No Agenda Social Trolls and Artwork Selection (2:39:33–2:47:39) The hosts review recent activity on the No Agenda Social Mastodon instance, including the blocking of "dweeb" trolls. They also discuss the artwork for episode 1609, "Pain Sponge," created by Petrex. The selection process involved a critique of AI-generated art, with the hosts expressing a preference for human creativity over "lazy" AI prompts that lack artistic "love." Keywords: [no agenda social](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-social.md), [mastodon](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/mastodon.md), petrex, [ai art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ai-art.md), pain sponge, [digital art](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/digital-art.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/30.md) ### 31. Donor Thank-Yous and PhD Program Conclusion (2:47:39–3:12:46) A large group of producers is thanked for their "treasure" donations, including several "show number" donations of $1610. The hosts announce that the special PhD in Media Deconstruction program is coming to an end on the 333rd day of the year. Notable donors from Idaho, Canada, and the UK are recognized for their support during the holiday broadcast. Keywords: [donations](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/donations.md), [phd](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/phd.md), [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [treasure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treasure.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [thanksgiving](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/thanksgiving.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/31.md) ### 32. Peerage Credits, Knighting Ceremony, and Ring Sizes (3:12:46–3:25:38) The hosts conduct a formal knighting ceremony for new Dames and Knights who have contributed significant "treasure" to the show. New titles include "Dame Realistic of the Sierra Foothills" and "Sir TRS-80." Recipients are instructed to visit the show's website to provide their ring sizes for their official No Agenda rings and PhD certificates. Keywords: [knighthood](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/knighthood.md), [dames](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/dames.md), [peerage](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/peerage.md), [no agenda rings](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/no-agenda-rings.md), [ceremony](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/ceremony.md), [treasure](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/treasure.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/32.md) ### 33. Global Meetups and San Francisco Report (3:25:40–3:28:50) A field report from a recent San Francisco meetup is played, featuring several long-time listeners and new producers. Upcoming meetups are announced for Fort Worth, Torrance, and various locations in the Netherlands and the U.S. through December. The hosts emphasize that "connection is protection" and encourage listeners to attend or start their own local gatherings. Keywords: [meetups](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/meetups.md), [san francisco](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/san-francisco.md), [fort worth](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/fort-worth.md), [torrance](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/torrance.md), [connection is protection](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/connection-is-protection.md), [community](https://search.noagendashow.net/topic/community.md) [Chapter transcript](https://search.noagendashow.net/episode/1610-p-doom/chapter/33.md) ### 34. Good News: Girl Scout Gold Award for Alopecia Awareness (3:28:52–3:33:31) The "Good News" segment features Gabriella Cimino, a 17-year-old from San Diego who won the Girl Scout Gold Award for her work raising awareness about alopecia. After being diagnosed at 14, she created educational tote bags and organized a health fair to support others with the disease. The hosts celebrate her turning a personal struggle into a positive community impact. 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